There seems to be a backlash against transgender people in many areas.
I hope this is not going to be a step backwards that lasts.
Fortunately I have not personally been exposed to any more frequent problems or unkindness this year as compared to the past.
Have you experienced any more frequent negative comments or bad treatment this past year as compared to past years' incidents because you are transgender?
I am grateful to be in the USA where you are treated humanely compared to some countries where transgender people can experience much harm as their societies are much against being transgender.
Chrissy
I have not experienced any negative comments in the seven years I have been out. I am aware of the rising negativity towards us in parts of the world. I have decided not to visit the USA because of this negativity, in spite of several tempting invitations. I have a growing fear that the same negativity will catch on here, too.
I wouldn't call it a "backlash". They are not responding to anything we have done. It is an "outlash": they are trying to hurt us, just for the sadistic pleasure of hurting someone, in order to satisfy themselves that they are not at the bottom of the pile.
I live in a "blue state", Massachusetts. For those overseas or less politically savvy, blue state means "leans left, liberal" or "regularly votes as a Democrat". People believe Massachusetts is a bubble.
I argue my home is a bubble only so long as I work hard to keep it one. I am a volunteer speaker for an LGBTQ+ speakers bureau and a board member on my local Pride organization.
Personally, yes, I have been threatened. Keep in mind I live in a place where people fly "Pride" flags year 'round. My home - Salem - has a long history of acceptance. Not tolerance but acceptance. Back in June I didn't get across the crosswalk fast enough. A driver felt the need to turn around, find me, and tell me "If I had looked at who you are, I'd have hit you," then speed off before I could grab a plate number.
A trans teen was recently beaten about 10 miles up the coast.
I'd argue I don't live in a bubble. There is a lot of work to be done. I'd like to think some of what I participate in makes a difference.
~Jenn
Here in South Dakota, I live in a very red state. Very conservative, historically run by Republicans. Some laws are anti-transgender, but mostly apply to sports and school-age youngsters, i.e. not "children" but adolescents and young adults in college. The far-right politicians like to call them children to paint us as child molesters and abusers. To me, "children" means pre-puberty, then teens, then adults.
The PEOPLE here are very accepting, or at least keep offensive comments to themselves. Not always, but mostly. All of the "backlash", which is really "attacks" do not come from the people, but from the government itself. The people are getting pretty fed up with it. Not just the anti-LGBTQ rhetoric, but defiance of the will of the people in general.
Recently, the people voted to legalize marijuana for recreational and medicinal use. The vote passed by something like 56%. The Governor, Kristi Noem, issued an Executive Order to have two high-level law enforcement officers file a lawsuit to challenge the vote as "unconstitutional". The court agreed that the ballot measure was improperly worded, so was discarded. Another vote was held after the government spent millions of dollars on an anti-weed campaign, and the vote did not pass this time.
In the transgender arena, again Governor Kristi Noem issued Executive Orders to ban transgender athletes from competing in girls/womens sports. This was obviously a political move to cozy up to Trump because at that time the total number of transgender athletes competing in this state was exactly ONE.
It isn't the people who are doing this, it is our own government. The push is on to start voting them out of office. But that is hard to do in a rigged system. Gerrymandering and other tactics have been in place for so long, that the far-right is well entrenched here.
Quote from: Lori Dee on September 08, 2024, 10:21:02 AMGerrymandering and other tactics have been in place for so long, that the far-right is well entrenched here.
Please remember that Gerrymandering is used by all pollical groups. In California it has entrenched the far-left, so much so, that we are basically a one-party state.
Ellen
4 months into my transition, I was called a weirdo, freak and some offensive words I will not mention by a couple men. It was tough on me, I did get past it
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on September 08, 2024, 05:07:14 AMI am grateful to be in the USA where you are treated humanely compared to some countries where transgender people can experience much harm as their societies are much against being transgender.
I do not think transgender people experience less harm in the USA. Actually, it is one of the most hostile countries for transgender people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender
Here in S. Korea, any murder of gender minorities has never been reported. I think Canada is one of best places for transgender people.
Cheers,
barbie~~
QuoteI do not think transgender people experience less harm in the USA. Actually, it is one of the most hostile countries for transgender people.
I am in the US and I agree, transgender people perhaps experience the same harm in the US outside of the "safety bubbles" and "people keeping hurtful comments to themselves" mentioned by some on this thread. But I wouldn't say it is one of the most hostile countries for transgender people.
I can't speak for other places but I would imagine that the safety nets are probably the same.
In fact this is one of the major disagreement that I have with the democratic party painting the picture on mass media, and social media that this problem doesn't exist here.
The nation is massive and diverse with people from all over the world. And I don't think that depending on the government is going to save us either. In my own opinion the community at some point in time will have to strive on its own.
I feel as though I am experiencing a bit more societal backlash than when I first came out. Over the last two years I have cited more students for Title IX sexual harassment then in any of my first five years of my transition.
I'm from & live in England. Things aren't great for trans people but they're a hell of a lot better than in the 90s when I started transition!
With my profession I cross paths with lots of people in public on a daily basis. There is a restaurant I service that has a gentleman mostly underdressing that is there for lunch when I pass thru. I'm getting to know him slowly and we always talk for a few when we see each other. The girls that work at the restaurant have told me that he does get rude comments at times for his clothing choice. He does not look very fem in any manner but paints his nails wears a bra and has eyeliner and a cheap looking wig. He is not shy and is who he is and does not care what others think. I'm getting to know him better as time goes buy.
Quote from: she she on September 13, 2024, 02:12:18 PMWith my profession I cross paths with lots of people in public on a daily basis. There is a restaurant I service that has a gentleman mostly underdressing that is there for lunch when I pass thru. I'm getting to know him slowly and we always talk for a few when we see each other. The girls that work at the restaurant have told me that he does get rude comments at times for his clothing choice. He does not look very fem in any manner but paints his nails wears a bra and has eyeliner and a cheap looking wig. He is not shy and is who he is and does not care what others think. I'm getting to know him better as time goes buy.
Interesting, that is. I hope you continue to enjoy your conversations.
Chrissy
In my corner of the UK... yes, I would say things are getting worse. But I don't think this is because of trans people per se. I think it's a symptom of why a lot of people voted for Reform UK in the election, and why there's a far right upswell across parts of Europe as a whole. People feel like they aren't being listened to and their needs aren't being met, and have to have someone to blame for that. So they look for scapegoats. Trans people, immigrants, poor people, pensioners... basically anyone they feel have more of the attention of those in power than they do. I suspect there's an attitude of "My life sucks and it's because <insert group here> are getting all the attention." A form of jealousy maybe.
It isn't everyone, but there is a vocal minority who have only gotten more vocal as time goes on. And they want folks in Parliament who literally think all minority groups are an abomination and should all be sent to Gulags. Because they're taking resources away from making their own lives better. Whether there's an ounce of truth to that or not. It's comfortable to believe that. It's a false hope that far right groups feed to people that if you get rid of everyone else who isn't you, that you will live in a land of milk and honey. That's why Brexit happened, and look what a disaster that turned out to be. The world doesn't work that way. Never has, never will. But it doesn't stop people believing it.
Quote from: Sephirah on September 13, 2024, 03:01:31 PMSo they look for scapegoats. Trans people, immigrants, poor people, pensioners... basically anyone they feel have more of the attention of those in power than they do. I suspect there's an attitude of "My life sucks and it's because <insert group here> are getting all the attention." A form of jealousy maybe.
We have that here too. If not immigrants (legal and illegal) then refugees.
People don't realize that shortage is a myth. We live in a universe of infinite resources. Though there may be times of feast and famine in a specific area, elsewhere there is the opposite. While California was under severe drought and water wells were literally drying up, other parts of the country were experiencing record floods.
I think that's why I wanted to be a nomad for many years. Bad weather? Go somewhere else. Feeling oppressed? Go somewhere else. If you are willing to scale down your life and make it portable as much as possible, the next best place is just down the road. The downside is that we need people staying in place to make those situations better for all. Someone must stay behind and fight the good fight.
Quote from: KathyLauren on September 08, 2024, 06:48:49 AMI wouldn't call it a "backlash". They are not responding to anything we have done. It is an "outlash": they are trying to hurt us, just for the sadistic pleasure of hurting someone, in order to satisfy themselves that they are not at the bottom of the pile.
I would agree - there is a demographic that likes to think themselves 'above' others and anyone who doesn't quite fit their world view is a target - you will always get this moronic activity and these people are not fussy in who they target..
I work in a public facing service environment (retail) and I deal with all sorts of customers everyday and have a whole team of work colleagues who I work with daily - I have not had any negative reactions at all, however, I do present as a cis-female and no-one knows I am trans - I guess I am lucky I have that option, I must admit, I would not broadcast my history to anyone I didn't know really well anyway - so you can point and shout 'stealth' at me if you like - but in this day and age I would rather not paint a target on my back.
Just to add - It is very easy to cast anyone who doesn't follow your view of the world as something hateful - There are countless examples of how this is applied to trans* groups, but here, it is very often seen that anyone who opposes trans* is 'far right' or worse.. these labels on either side just instigate hate and show a lack of understanding on the part of the person using them as descriptors. I always say that education is the way forward and not to get into the mud slinging that others like to partake in.
@SoupSarah Dear SoupSarah: You are exactly correct with your statement.
I have had roughly the same thing going on in my situation. Even though I passed 100% when
I relocated and started my business, I eventually came out to stop any gossip in my small town...
...I posted about that early on in my Hunted Prey blog thread.
Here is the link to the relevant posting on my Blog:
https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,236395.msg2123977.html#msg2123977
Thank you for sharing and posting.
Danielle [Northern Star Girl]
Quote from: SoupSarah on September 13, 2024, 05:33:59 PM
I would agree - there is a demographic that likes to think themselves 'above' others and anyone who doesn't quite fit their world view is a target - you will always get this moronic activity and these people are not fussy in who they target..
I work in a public facing service environment (retail) and I deal with all sorts of customers everyday and have a whole team of work colleagues who I work with daily - I have not had any negative reactions at all, however, I do present as a cis-female and no-one knows I am trans - I guess I am lucky I have that option, I must admit, I would not broadcast my history to anyone I didn't know really well anyway - so you can point and shout 'stealth' at me if you like - but in this day and age I would rather not paint a target on my back.
Just to add - It is very easy to cast anyone who doesn't follow your view of the world as something hateful - There are countless examples of how this is applied to trans* groups, but here, it is very often seen that anyone who opposes trans* is 'far right' or worse.. these labels on either side just instigate hate and show a lack of understanding on the part of the person using them as descriptors. I always say that education is the way forward and not to get into the mud slinging that others like to partake in.
Quote from: SoupSarah on September 13, 2024, 05:33:59 PM]Just to add - It is very easy to cast anyone who doesn't follow your view of the world as something hateful - There are countless examples of how this is applied to trans* groups, but here, it is very often seen that anyone who opposes trans* is 'far right' or worse.. these labels on either side just instigate hate and show a lack of understanding on the part of the person using them as descriptors. I always say that education is the way forward and not to get into the mud slinging that others like to partake in.
This is true. But it isn't a lack of understanding. You just have to look at the last UK election and the voting spread to see that far right groups, like Reform UK have gotten a much larger percentage of the vote, even if they only really have the universally hated Farrage as their mouthpiece. Yes, not everyone who hates trans is far right, but a vast majority of far right groups hate trans. And it's not wrong to call these people out. And deny them a voice in a modern democracy because it isn't just trans people they hate. They hate anyone who isn't them. Where I am in the UK, in the North, I have a lot of these people around me. They express how they feel daily. It isn't a lack of understanding at all.
Quote from: Sephirah on September 21, 2024, 08:04:12 PMIt isn't a lack of understanding at all.
Lack of understanding is a polite way of saying stooooopid.
Here in S. Korea, no political group expresses hate toward LGBTQ groups. I guess the reason is that those minority groups are not so much visible or politically substantial. Of course, progressive parties, which are also minor, support those minority groups.
The only group that expresses opposition and hate is some Christians rooted in American fundamental Christianity. They have tried to ban teaching evolution in schools as their American counterpart did. Ironically, those Christians are the most hated religious group in S. Korea. If you watched the Netflix drama, Squid Game, you may have noticed how much the director hates those Christians who, of course, criticized the drama. For example, "From 'Hellbound' to 'Squid Game,' churches fret over religious zealot characters" https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211201000848
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on September 21, 2024, 08:25:16 PMHere in S. Korea, no political group expresses hate toward LGBTQ groups. I guess the reason is that those minority groups are not so much visible or politically substantial. Of course, progressive parties, which are also minor, support those minority groups.
The only group that expresses opposition and hate is some Christians rooted in American fundamental Christianity. They have tried to ban teaching evolution in schools as their American counterpart did. Ironically, those Christians are the most hated religious group in S. Korea. If you watched the Netflix drama, Squid Game, you may have noticed how much the director hates those Christians who, of course, criticized the drama. For example, "From 'Hellbound' to 'Squid Game,' churches fret over religious zealot characters" https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211201000848
barbie~~
Yeah I have watched a bunch of Korean stuff, Barbie. And I have to say, you folks know how to do it. I watched "All Of Us Are Dead"... girl, your TV industry is off the chain! Some of my best memories of TV. You really know how to nail the atmosphere! It's like live action anime. You could teach the West a thing or twenty!
For anyone wanting some really really epic stuff, go get into Korean TV and movies. Those folks have it going on. Not even kidding.
"Space Sweepers" Enough said. Go check out Korean cinema and TV. It will knock your socks off. <3
Quote from: Lori Dee on September 21, 2024, 08:06:06 PMLack of understanding is a polite way of saying stooooopid.
You're probably right, Lori. Pretty sure I'm not, though. I didn't up sticks to somewhere else so I feel like I can talk about stuff in the UK. :) Thank you <3
Quote from: Sephirah on September 21, 2024, 08:34:23 PMGo check out Korean cinema and TV. It will knock your socks off. <3
I do not watch TV or movies so much, but I subscribe to Netflix, sharing my account with my kids. Once I stopped the subscription as I seldom watch it. Immediately, all my kids sent me a text asking to restore the subscription, as they watch it so frequently.
Netflix has invested a lot in S. Korea, skyrocketing the costs of movie and drama production, especially for a few famous actors and actresses. Other production companies no longer can compete with Nexflix.
Yes. Korean directors do not refrain from dealing directly with LGBTQ issues. An example is "Itaewon class" in which an MTF trangender features.
https://youtu.be/ZGRbGMTvIQ0?si=hhGFhgkRaXBvjbO8
Cheers,
barbie~~
Quote from: Jenn104 on September 08, 2024, 06:58:29 AMPersonally, yes, I have been threatened.
I am in the same state and I have only felt threaten once many years ago... I think that was in 1998 or so. I had to do some training at a contractor site on our methods and on the way home i stopped at a restaurant out in the burbs that had a bar to get dinner (was not at teh bar) so as not to have to drive home during rush hour... Some guy stated harassing me... If the bartender had not stepped in things could have gotten ugly. The only other thing that was that I got a nasty comment one from some guy as he walked past me in the same general the period... That was in Cambridge surprisingly enough... But those were te only incidents like that though I was read more often.
QuoteA trans teen was recently beaten about 10 miles up the coast.
Was that in NH or still in Mass?
The more cpu get away from the cities, the more likely there are to be issues I think, but still I think this state is pretty safe overall.
- Karen
Quote from: Sephirah on September 21, 2024, 08:04:12 PMThis is true. But it isn't a lack of understanding. You just have to look at the last UK election and the voting spread to see that far right groups, like Reform UK have gotten a much larger percentage of the vote, even if they only really have the universally hated Farrage as their mouthpiece. Yes, not everyone who hates trans is far right, but a vast majority of far right groups hate trans. And it's not wrong to call these people out. And deny them a voice in a modern democracy because it isn't just trans people they hate. They hate anyone who isn't them. Where I am in the UK, in the North, I have a lot of these people around me. They express how they feel daily. It isn't a lack of understanding at all.
Well, what would you call your use of the phrase 'far right' to describe Reform UK.. As far as I know, they are a political party in the UK that are on the right of politics. That is to say conservative with a little c.. That is a long way from pitching them into the same hayfire as the Skinheads and Nazi's of Germanys' 1930s.. By using the epiphet of 'hated' in front of their leaders name, you are pushing more hate and untruth.. for on the whole Mr Farage is not hated. I personally do not align with his political views, but I don't hate him for holding his views. So, are you uneducated and have lack of understanding as I stated people who hate are.. or are you exactly the same as the person's you are describing with your hateful words?... you hopefully see how you have duplicated exactly what I was espousing people to not do.
I will try and give an example, and a reason why I came to this forum. You see, I knew there was something not right in my head - I felt a need to express myself differently to how society had cast me. I guess I knew I was a woman? However, the only 'men' who I knew that dressed and acted like women were either comedic actors (and they did it for laughs), Drag artists (who did it for entertainment) and crossdressers.. and I knew I was none of those?.. I had deep seated phobia's about each of those roles.. I certainly did not align with them and you could even say I was phobic about them.. Coming to Susan's allowed me to understand the differences between these people and to understand also that transwomen are not any of these groups.. in fact, are far different. I understood and realised that it was very simple to explain my thoughts. I was a woman. Simples. I also made friends with many crossdressers, drag artists and other trans people and value their friendships to this day.. I understand them and can differentiate them and their needs. You see, I educated myself and I gained understanding and lost the phobia or hate..
Spreading stereotypical lies about any group of people is wrong and will never aid understanding and acceptance. When groups post about 'trans women using bathrooms to commit crime' or some such nonsense it is the same as you posting here
Quote"it isn't just trans people they hate. They hate anyone who isn't them."
Any sentence that separates 'Them' from "Us' has to be viewed with cynicism and scepticism. The only objective of such a statement is division and tribal mentality a rally call to bear arms against one another. For Trans people to be accepted in society we need to be a part of society and not apart from society..
Quote from: Karen_A on September 22, 2024, 09:19:49 PMI am in the same state and I have only felt threaten once many years ago... I think that was in 1998 or so. I had to do some training at a contractor site on our methods and on the way home i stopped at a restaurant out in the burbs that had a bar to get dinner (was not at teh bar) so as not to have to drive home during rush hour... Some guy stated harassing me... If the bartender had not stepped in things could have gotten ugly. The only other thing that was that I got a nasty comment one from some guy as he walked past me in the same general the period... That was in Cambridge surprisingly enough... But those were te only incidents like that though I was read more often.
Was that in NH or still in Mass?
The more cpu get away from the cities, the more likely there are to be issues I think, but still I think this state is pretty safe overall.
- Karen
The incident was in Massachusetts, Gloucester.
It all comes down to this, in my opinion-- there is no such thing as a bubble or a safe state. I am safer because of where I live. Total safety is an illusion. Channeling my inner Marsha P Johnson, 'none of us is safe until all of us is safe.'
~Jenn
You do not have to be a transgender person to live in danger.
It does not help though to be transgender, we are not immune to danger.
Chrissy
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on September 08, 2024, 05:07:14 AMThere seems to be a backlash against transgender people in many areas.
I hope this is not going to be a step backwards that lasts.
I'm coming to this late and live in the UK, but social media amplification makes it hard to know where this one is going - not least because newspapers compound the situation by picking up on social media and rebroadcasting knee jerk content like it is mainstream.
There is a political dimension in Britain, with the once dominant Scottish party (SNP) suffering an electoral wipe out in part because of what started out as a well meant intention to make applying for a gender recognition cert less painful.
How that managed to turn into the circus it did is a long story, but it ended up with the antis in an endless loop saying no cis woman would ever be safe in a toilet ever again. Instead of turning around and responding, 'Do the math and be reasonable about this, two thirds of the people involved are F to M,' the SNP lost the plot and the whole thing became a mess, with politicians lacking the guts to say, 'The voices branding M to F trans folk this way are guilty of discrimination directly comparable to racism,' they let the whole situation slide away from them.
Since that happened, there has been much less talk in other parts of the UK about fixing the gender recognition cert and also, news outlets have continued to rebroadcast voices opposed to trans. The Cass report landed right on top of this, which was bad luck all round, but what it all means about what the population as a whole thinks is very hard to say.
My impression is that things are going our way if only because of the debate about masculinity that started through MeToo etc. That has raised an awareness that something is off in the gendered behaviour arena, even if the awareness is mostly among women right now. The other thing going our way is that so many musicians are out as trans or are vocally supportive - ultimately cultural changes often win the war over political desires, however many battles may be lost along the way.
I have and it was with a couple women on Tuesday. Went in the women's restroom to use the bathroom and touch something up on my face. Going to the bathroom part was not the issue, it was after touching something up. Both said I was not welcomed in the women's bathroom. It did get out of hand a little bit after I got out,one lunged at me and I maced her good.She was arrested and I did decide to press charges. The other was too, disturbing the peace with charges pressed against her.I was shaken up a little bit and doing a lot better
It is not good to be harassed.
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on September 28, 2024, 09:47:05 AMIt is not good to be harassed.
No it is not, they are going to ban these two women for life from entering this place that did it to me. This is the 4th time they harassed a transwoman and this store had enough of it.All I was there for was a gallon of milk,grapes,12 pack of beer for my husband and a bag of chips which I did get
I had an unusual happenstance at a local shopping venue. Unsure if I want to discuss it now as I am unsure what to make of it, perhaps maybe someday I will mention this.
In the meantime ladies, let us be our respectable selves and enjoy each day as they come. Enjoy life!
There will be some who are and will be unkind. There have been people who are unkind to others for a variety of reasons: Maybe because of their heritage, skin color, height, weight, economic class, etc.
Have a nice weekend!
Chrissy
Quote from: NikkiM on September 28, 2024, 11:55:26 AMNo it is not, they are going to ban these two women for life from entering this place that did it to me. This is the 4th time they harassed a transwoman and this store had enough of it.All I was there for was a gallon of milk,grapes,12 pack of beer for my husband and a bag of chips which I did get
You were just being yourself.
We all just want to be ourselves. Is that too much to ask, should we have to ask?
Interestingly, here in S. Korea, despite perennial news reports of crimes, mostly minor, committed by transgender people, I have never heard any news of crimes against LGBTQ people. The stereotype drawn from the media is that LGBTQ people are not victims, but can be offenders, making an illusion that those minority groups have more power in society.
barbie~~
I am hoping this year, and the years to follow are better than the previous, I faced a lot of conflict, and bullying in transitional, and supportive housing, I finally moved out, my dress borders on elegant and sexy, but is not chic, or kinky. I have heard some drunks mumbling where I live now, but no real problem, I have to see this as a positive, being away from my parents, being away from my brother, being away from all peer groups, living in a decent 1 bdrm, and finally being out of transitional housing and supportive housing
Quote from: WendyPeer on October 15, 2024, 02:33:38 AMI am hoping this year, and the years to follow are better than the previous, I faced a lot of conflict, and bullying in transitional, and supportive housing, I finally moved out, my dress borders on elegant and sexy, but is not chic, or kinky. I have heard some drunks mumbling where I live now, but no real problem, I have to see this as a positive, being away from my parents, being away from my brother, being away from all peer groups, living in a decent 1 bdrm, and finally being out of transitional housing and supportive housing
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