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Title: Pandora Radio
Post by: tekla on January 21, 2008, 01:03:55 PM
There has been an effort to sort, label and create relationships in music similar to what the Human Genome Project is doing in genetics - called, not oddly, The Music Genome Project.

The first real fruits of this are found at Pandora Radio, a web2.0 type site.

If you are on line all the time, and I am, you can open an account there (free) type in bands or composers you like and it will start playing music like that and similar to that.  So if you do "BACH" you get all the Bach music, from all the Bachs, and then it starts to play other stuff associated with counterpoint.  If you do "DYLAN" you got bob, and other people doing bob's songs, and other people like bob.  Then you can vote the song/cut up or down, and the site learns your taste and plays more of what you like, and less of what you don't.  It's way cool, and free.

www.pandora.com

Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 02, 2008, 10:00:12 PM

yeah.  Somebody evil named Ell, told us about it.   I always vote down springsteen.

I mix up genres and get a nice play (except when springstink shows up).  I just hope that voting down makes a difference.  I do it very rarely and only on music I can't compromise on.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: tekla on February 02, 2008, 10:25:15 PM
Yeah, its a sort of, kind of, form of AI, and when you vote a song down it keeps track, not only of Bruce, but other songs like that.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Ell on February 02, 2008, 11:15:40 PM
Quote from: Rebis on February 02, 2008, 10:00:12 PM

yeah.  Somebody evil named Ell, told us about it.

heh heh.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: tekla on February 03, 2008, 12:25:28 AM
The more you rate songs up or down, the greater it refines the selections.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 03, 2008, 02:26:49 PM

I discovered that if you choose Zappa, every 3rd song is zappa.  But maybe because I don't have a really long list.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: saraswatidevi on February 03, 2008, 05:18:32 PM
Thanks for posting this. I never heard of it before but I am having a great time with it right now.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: tekla on February 03, 2008, 05:18:52 PM
I've had better luck setting up stations based on a song than an artist.  I think that the list of determining characteristics is much longer - some 400 or so to pick from.  So when I picked J.S. Bach, I got Bach every third song or so, but when I went with Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 in G major, BWV 1048 I get less Bach and far more stuff written in counterpoint, like Telleman, Couperin, and Rameau.   

From their site:

We believe that each individual has a unique relationship with music - no one else has tastes exactly like yours. So delivering a great radio experience to each and every listener requires an incredibly broad and deep understanding of music. That's why Pandora is based on the Music Genome Project, the most sophisticated taxonomy of musical information ever collected. It represents over seven years of analysis by our trained team of musicologists, and spans almost a century of music (and soon several centuries!).

Each song in the Music Genome Project is analyzed using up to 400 distinct musical characteristics by a trained music analyst. These attributes capture not only the musical identity of a song, but also the many significant qualities that are relevant to understanding the musical preferences of listeners. The typical music analyst working on the Music Genome Project has a four-year degree in music theory, composition or performance, has passed through a selective screening process and has completed intensive training in the Music Genome's rigorous and precise methodology. To qualify for the work, analysts must have a firm grounding in music theory, including familiarity with a wide range of styles and sounds. All analysis is done on location.

The Music Genome Project's database is built using a methodology that includes the use of precisely defined terminology, a consistent frame of reference, redundant analysis, and ongoing quality control to ensure that data integrity remains reliably high. Pandora does not use machine-listening or other forms of automated data extraction.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: debbie.j on February 03, 2008, 07:02:13 PM
hey teklathanks for this  site i,ll have to check it out when i got the time. but normaly i just go and buy

my cds. but thanks for the info on this
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 03, 2008, 10:41:46 PM

I've been wondering how pandora could be legal.  I assume they use revenue from ads, but I never see any ads.  I just turn it on and minimize it while I go about my business.  Maybe it's not legal, which wouldn't surprise me considering the sources who revealed it to us (Tekla & Ell).  [/kidding]
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: buttercup on February 03, 2008, 11:15:59 PM
Awwwwwwwwwwww, it doesn't work for me cause I'm in Australia.  :(    :(    :(
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 04, 2008, 08:28:38 AM
better move somewhere civilized                     :laugh:
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Ell on February 04, 2008, 04:57:15 PM
Quote from: Rebis on February 03, 2008, 10:41:46 PM

Maybe it's not legal, which wouldn't surprise me considering the sources who revealed it to us (Tekla & Ell).  [/kidding]

actually i've heard that musicians really like Pandora. i wouldn't feel comfortable using it if i felt it was taking advantage of them. i like it so much that i got an itunes account and started buying songs online.

-ellie
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 04, 2008, 07:26:48 PM

Don't ask me why, or even how, but I love you.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Ell on February 05, 2008, 04:26:58 AM
*ell gives Rebis a very big hug, and a kiss on the cheek*
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: saraswatidevi on February 05, 2008, 10:45:47 AM
It isn't that they run ads. They give you an opportunity to buy things you like. Also, I found that when I tried to skip about 5 songs in a row I got a message that said "Our license does not allow users to skip so many songs during one session." That means that the interjected songs themselves are the ads.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: tekla on February 06, 2008, 05:35:04 PM
There is something of a loophole in the law that you can only skip so many - and can't go back either - that gives it a different set of requirements.  The project itself has received a lot of money from musicians and musical foundations.  It does offer direct links to either buy the physical CD, or pay to download from iTunes, and it that a lot of people in the industry are happy to let it be, as its harder and harder for anyone to get any new music heard.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: tekla on February 06, 2008, 06:46:08 PM
Given the mistakes the RIAA has made over the last decade, a trip down the road might well prove too much for them to handle.  I'm waiting for one of the majors to drop them this year.  And of course its legal, I would never tell anyone to do anything against the law (in writing).
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: annajasmine on February 06, 2008, 06:59:18 PM
Here's email address if anyone wants to spy on what I'm listening to.anna@annajasmine.com. I found out about this site form "What are you listening to 2" I think ell posted it. I'm not sure.

Quote from: redfish on February 06, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
The RIAA can go to Hell, Michigan for all I care

What happen in Michigan? What makes you hate it beside the crappy weather? I thought the governor was supposed to be pro ts.


Anna
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 06, 2008, 07:16:26 PM
yeah, I think there were some issues in hell on halloween.

Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Ell on February 17, 2008, 05:52:41 PM
for those of you in the UK, Australia, or other areas where Pandora isn't available, may i recommend www.last.fm

-ellie
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 17, 2008, 10:23:55 PM
No, you may not.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Ell on February 17, 2008, 11:38:05 PM
Quote from: Rebis on February 17, 2008, 10:23:55 PM
No, you may not.

oh, hi sweetie. nice to see that you're back on the planet. close shave huh?
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 18, 2008, 11:48:43 AM

I actually fell asleep 'neath a Joshua tree.  I awoke with a scorpion on my chest, so I ate it, then crawled back to civilization naked but for the skirt I made from cactus needles and shed snake skins.

Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Ell on February 18, 2008, 01:13:38 PM
Quote from: Rebis on February 18, 2008, 11:48:43 AM
I actually fell asleep 'neath a Joshua tree.  I awoke with a scorpion on my chest, so I ate it, then crawled back to civilization naked but for the skirt I made from cactus needles and shed snake skins.

Ha ha!  i love that. you should be like, a writer or something.

-ellie
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 18, 2008, 01:25:49 PM
or something    :)
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: debbie.j on February 18, 2008, 05:01:13 PM
Quote from: redfish on February 06, 2008, 07:06:25 PM
There's a town in Michigan called Hell


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan

yes there is redfish indeed a town named hell in michigsn . but its small . so small you drive all the way from

one end of the town to the other end of town  in 2 minits time. and dont blink or you could just miss it all

together.

Posted on: February 18, 2008, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: redfish on February 06, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
The site rules, don't care how legal it is anyway (though I know it is)


The RIAA can go to Hell, Michigan for all I care

thats too funny redfish too funny :laugh:
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 18, 2008, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: debbie.j on February 18, 2008, 05:01:13 PM
Quote from: redfish on February 06, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
The site rules, don't care how legal it is anyway (though I know it is)


The RIAA can go to Hell, Michigan for all I care

thats too funny redfish too funny :laugh:
Yeah, knock off the humor, Redfish.  We're trying to have a serious conversation here.   :police:
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Laura91 on February 27, 2008, 01:33:59 PM
LOL Redfish

I found out about pandora radio from Emelye (thanks, Em), it is awesome.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: lady amarant on February 27, 2008, 02:03:13 PM
Quote
Dear Pandora Visitor,

We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.

We believe that you are in United Kingdom. If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeee!

%$#@$%@  RIAA!!!

Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Ell on February 27, 2008, 10:39:43 PM
Quote from: lady amarant on February 27, 2008, 02:03:13 PM
Quote
Dear Pandora Visitor,

We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.

We believe that you are in United Kingdom. If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeee!

%$#@$%@  RIAA!!!



please see my post above re www.last.fm

it's just as good as Pandora

but make sure you clear it with my Master (Rebis) first.

-ellie
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: lady amarant on February 27, 2008, 11:41:26 PM
Quote from: ell on February 27, 2008, 10:39:43 PM
please see my post above re www.last.fm

it's just as good as Pandora

but make sure you clear it with my Master (Rebis) first.

-ellie


Thanks Ell.

Maybe that'll teach me to ALWAYS read the whole thread. Less of a chance of making an idiot of myself that way...
:eusa_wall:
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 28, 2008, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: ell on February 27, 2008, 10:39:43 PM
Quote from: lady amarant on February 27, 2008, 02:03:13 PM
Aieeeeeeeeeeeeee!

%$#@$%@  RIAA!!!


please see my post above re www.last.fm

it's just as good as Pandora

but make sure you clear it with my Master (Rebis) first.

-ellie
Consider it cleared.
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: Ell on February 29, 2008, 01:21:08 PM
Quote from: Rebis on February 28, 2008, 08:44:46 AM
Consider it cleared.

oh thank you.   ok, Lady Amarant, rock on!

-ellie
Title: Re: Pandora Radio
Post by: lady amarant on February 29, 2008, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: ell on February 29, 2008, 01:21:08 PM
oh thank you.   ok, Lady Amarant, rock on!

-ellie

Consider me rocked. Stirred and shaken even.  :icon_rockon: :icon_rockon: :icon_rockon: