Or will Y2K12 turn out like Y2K?
My coworker was rambling at me about the magnetic north pole of the super black hole in the center of our galaxy being aligned with the earth, as well as prophesies and rubbish like that.
So, will the world end on Dec 21, 2012?
Wait, hasn't it ended yet? ;)
tink :icon_chick:
Wait, it has not ended yet? Gee, I have to plan some more?
Apparently so.
Damn, that means I have to pay off my kids college bills after all. ->-bleeped-<-.
Yep its on off the (Mayan) (http://www.crawford2000.co.uk/maya.htm) calender now all we have to do is convince the rest of the world of that.
oh i almost forgot the rest of the world uses another calender.
The reason that's been latched onto as (yet another) end of the world is because the Mayan Calendar ends some time in December of that year. The reason it's taken seriously is because the Mayan Calendar is far more accurate than anything else, including the "modern" Gregorian calendar
What people neglect to keep in mind is that the Maya believed in a cyclical universe, just like the Hindu do. According to this train of thought, each age is destroyed by a great cataclysm, after which the earth renews itself and mankind is given another chance. 2012 isn't the end of the world to them, merely the end of the present age and the beginning of another.
I've definitely learned to respect prophecy through comparative mythology and religious studies - you'd be stunned by how common the main themes are to every tradition out there, and how deadly accurate many past prophecies have been.
I would take it with a pinch of salt though when modern doom mongers latch on to a new date with a new theory of Pole-shift or meteor strike or whatever. They did it in 2000, 2003, then 2007. I'm not saying those things don't happen and that they can't be predicted, but unless one really studies prophecy in-depth, I doubt you're going to get it right until after the fact.
My two-cents...
honey, everyone gets it right after the fact.
Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 12:43:09 AM
honey, everyone gets it right after the fact.
:P Yeah, but you know what I mean!!!
2012 won't be the end of the world. But it might be the end of the stock market or oil supply.
With any luck it will. Well the world as we know it. Which could be a good thing.
Audrey
Quote from: VeryGnawty on January 23, 2008, 02:11:09 AM
2012 won't be the end of the world. But it might be the end of the stock market or oil supply.
Or the day Mother Earth finally hits the Global Warming skids, and we REALLY start getting our butts handed to us.
If there is anyone out there thinking that the world will end, please sign over your estate to me on that date. I'll take care of it for you through the apocalypse.
Cindi
We have at least 30 more years of oil at the current rate of consumption. 40 if your an optimist.
The stock market, that ->-bleeped-<- was nothing but an illusion anyway.
Heres the breakdown down on the date December 21st, 2012.
The I Ching, the famous prophesizing book, studied by the McKenna brothers who arrived at the 2012 end date by using fractals. Starting from a table of differences between one hexagram and the next, they developed a Mandelbrot fractal in which each level is 64 times greater then the one below it. They then laid this fractal pattern on top of a time scale. The peaks and troughs of the pattern relate to the level of connectedness or novelty in any span of time, whether it covers a day, millennia or even since the beginning of time. By matching the levels of the pattern with key periods in history, they determined it would fit best if the end of the time scale was December 22, 2012. This is the only point in which the level of novelty reaches its maximum, and everything that happens is new.which is composed of 64 hexagrams, or six-line figures.
On top of all this they state that they calculated the 2012 end date in the early 1970's, long before they had heard of the Mayan calendar. And to their credit, the original 1975 edition of The Invisible Landscape makes no mention of the Maya. If this is true, then it would be prudent to consider their result as much more than a coincidence, and to take their ideas seriously
Then there is the Mayan calender ending in 2012...
Then there is the fact that every 200 or so years we come in to what is known as a period of SOLAR MAXIMUM with the Sun, this is going to happen in December of 2012, the last known solar maximum occurred in the 1800's, and instantly lit fires to many forest worldwide, if a solar flare is released in our direction again, it is possible that any form of computer technology will be destroyed. What is occuring is the flipping of our suns magnetic field. Yeah the giant ball in the sky magnetic field FLIPS.
Then represents an extremely close conjunction of the Winter Solstice Sun with the crossing point of the Galactic Equator (Equator of the Milky Way) and the Ecliptic (path of the Sun), what that ancient Maya recognized as the Sacred Tree. This is an event that has been coming to
resonance very slowly over thousands and thousands of years
Basically It is the four combinations of those things that have made 2012 a siginificant date in history and placing emphasis on december of 2012.
My biggest thing is the Solar Maximum that could very well release enough solar radiation to destroy all technology on the earth, it is very real, and it did acually hit earth in the 1800's, and it did wipe out the only two pieces of electronic technology on earth at that time. But otherwise no I dont think the world is gonna end on 2012, just maybe your computer lifes.
nothing new, lyrics from a few decades ago:
Broken glass everywhere
People pissing on the stairs, you know they just
Dont care
I cant take the smell, I cant take the noise
Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice
Rats in the front room, roaches in the back
Junkies in the alley with a baseball bat
I tried to get away, but I couldnt get far
Cause the man with the tow-truck repossessed my car
Chorus:
Dont push me, cause Im close to the edge
Im trying not to loose my head
Its like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
Standing on the front stoop, hangin out the window
Watching all the cars go by, roaring as the breezes
Blow
Crazy lady, livin in a bag
Eating out of garbage piles, used to be a ->-bleeped-<--hag
Search and test a tango, skips the life and then go
To search a prince to see the last of senses
Down at the peepshow, watching all the creeps
So she can tell the stories to the girls back home
She went to the city and got so so so ditty
She had to get a pimp, she couldnt make it on her
Own
Chorus:
Its like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from goin under
My brothers doing fast on my mothers t.v.
Says she watches to much, is just not healthy
All my children in the daytime, dallas at night
Cant even see the game or the sugar ray fight
Bill collectors they ring my phone
And scare my wife when Im not home
Got a bum education, double-digit inflation
Cant take the train to the job, theres a strike
At the station
Me on king kong standin on my back
Cant stop to turn around, broke my sacroiliac
Midrange, migraine, cancered membrane
Sometimes I think Im going insane, I swear I might
Hijack a plane!
Chorus:
My son said daddy I dont wanna go to school
Cause the teachers a jerk, he must think Im a
Fool
And all the kids smoke reefer, I think itd be
Cheaper
If I just got a job, learned to be a street sweeper
I dance to the beat, shuffle my feet
Wear a shirt and tie and run with the creeps
Cause its all about money, aint a damn thing
Funny
You got to have a con in this land of milk and
Honey
They push that girl in front of a train
Took her to a doctor, sowed the arm on again
Stabbed that man, right in his heart
Gave him a transplant before a brand new start
I cant walk through the park, cause its crazy
After the dark
Keep my hand on the gun, cause they got me on the
Run
I feel like an outlaw, broke my last fast jaw
Hear them say you want some more, livin on a
Seesaw
Chorus:
A child was born, with no state of mind
Blind to the ways of mankind
God is smiling on you but hes frowning too
Cause only God knows what you go through
You grow in the ghetto, living second rate
And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alley way
Youll admire all the number book takers
Thugs, pimps, pushers and the big money makers
Driving big cars, spending twenties and tens
And you wanna grow up to be just like them
Smugglers, scrambles, burglars, gamblers
Pickpockets, peddlers and even pan-handlers
You say Im cool, Im no fool
But then you wind up dropping out of high school
Now youre unemployed, all null n void
Walking around like youre pretty boy floyd
Turned stickup kid, look what you done did
Got send up for a eight year bid
Now your man is took and youre a may tag
Spend the next two years as an undercover ->-bleeped-<-
Being used and abused, and served like hell
Till one day you was find hung dead in a cell
It was plain to see that your life was lost
You was cold and your body swung back and forth
But now your eyes sing the sad sad song
Of how you lived so fast and died so young
Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 03:05:10 AM
The stock market, that ->-bleeped-<- was nothing but an illusion anyway.
Hallelujah!
Due to fractional reserve banking (where you can lend money you don't actually have), only about 4% of the world's "wealth" actually, really exists. Since the gold standard was dropped (where money had to be backed by an equal value in gold) our money has literally become an illusion. If 4% of the banking customers of the world decided to withdraw their money at the same time, the world economy would collapse. - Makes you think, doesn't it...
Posted on: 23 January 2008, 03:19:54
Quote from: maragirlygirr on January 23, 2008, 03:09:26 AM
The I Ching, the famous prophesizing book, studied by the McKenna brothers...
Wow, did not know that one - very interesting. Also striking how much what you just described describes the cyclical nature of the Yin-Yang symbol...
Quote from: maragirlygirr on January 23, 2008, 03:09:26 AM
Then there is the fact that every 200 or so years we...
Thanks for explaining that so well. 2012 might prove a very interesting year. Many of the timed prophecies made by Native Americans during their conquest by European settlers are also due right about now, (The seven generations, the white bison, etc.) and they have a remarkable track record for accuracy.
If you had to press me - and you did - it was Bill ->-bleeped-<-ing Clinton eliminating the Glass-Segal Act. But that's a really long, and very complex explanation. Old Bill was no more a Democrat than Herbert Hoover, and with less effect. And that's his wife too.
Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 03:28:51 AM
If you had to press me - and you did - it was Bill ->-bleeped-<-ing Clinton eliminating the Glass-Segal Act. But that's a really long, and very complex explanation. Old Bill was no more a Democrat than Herbert Hoover, and with less effect. And that's his wife too.
Yeah. Hillary scares me. I don't trust her for a second. She's the exception to womanhood that proves the rule. Just like Margaret Thatcher was. *shiver* OH! TOUCH WOOD!
Dont push me, cause Im close to the edge
Im trying not to loose my head
Its like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 03:49:34 AM
Dont push me, cause Im close to the edge
Im trying not to loose my head
Its like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
Damn. That's so familiar... what's it from?
That is the chorus to The Message, perhaps the first real hip-hop hit.
Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 04:37:45 AM
That is the chorus to The Message, perhaps the first real hip-hop hit.
Thanks Tekla. I might have heard it before, but I think I'm probably confusing it with something more metal or modern rock - I'm not all that much into hip-hop.
Grandmaster Flash weren it?
And no, the world will not end in 2012. God has told me.
(In bad action movie baddie voice) It ends tonight.
I always thought that James Earl Jones had the voice of god.
And yeah, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, back in 1982.
Rolling Stone ranked "The Message" #51 in its List of Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (the second highest placing for any song released in the 1980s, and highest ranking hip-hop song on the list). It was also voted #3 on the 100 Greatest Rap Songs[1], after I Used to Love H.E.R. and Rapper's Delight. In 2002, it was one of 50 recordings chosen that year by the Library of Congress to be added to the National Recording Registry, the first Hip Hop recording ever to receive this honor. - wiki
Quote from: maragirlygirr on January 23, 2008, 03:09:26 AM
The I Ching, the famous prophesizing book, studied by the McKenna brothers who arrived at the 2012 end date by using fractals.
Thanks for your posting valuable information.
I Ching is indeed myserious book to interpret literally. As I know, less than 10 people in history interpreted it correctly, and the McKenna brothers should be included, I think.
I-ching is for the old heaven, and the one for the upcoming new heaven is like:
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The left is for the spring (I-ching), the center is for the summer (I-ching), and the right is for the autumn (the upcoming new heaven).
so is this when jesus will come & judge all of you? >:D
Guess we better hide the porn and look busy
Quote from: Cindi Jones on January 23, 2008, 02:55:47 AM
If there is anyone out there thinking that the world will end, please sign over your estate to me on that date. I'll take care of it for you through the apocalypse.
Cindi
LOL ;D You're funny, Cindi!
Quote from: Natasha on January 23, 2008, 04:11:41 PM
so is this when jesus will come & judge all of you? >:D
I guess...so where are you going to go? where are you going to hide? huh? huh? huh?
;)
tink :icon_chick:
Quote from: Natasha on January 23, 2008, 04:11:41 PM
so is this when jesus will come & judge all of you? >:D
oooo, that reminds me. this year is what is known as a sabbatical year in jewish theology. basically it is the last year in a week of years (starting last september). the tribulation period (from revelations) is a seven year period (also a full week) divided into two parts. the second half is called "the great tribulation". three and a half years into "next week" would put the great tribulation starting in the midst of 2012...
Posted on: January 23, 2008, 10:11:31 PM
a lot of prophecies seem to end around 2012..... creepy
meh. it's all tosh.
A lot of prophecy ended around 1849, and 1900, and 1000, and last year, and next year. The only creepy thing is that people think we get out that easy.
Tosh Pica? I love it. Personally, I think it's a truckload of bosh!
;) Gawd, I love British colloquialisms. Thanks for introducing me to these two.
Actually, prophecy is an effective tool of power. No matter what you come up with, if you can get people to believe it, you have gained some power over them. Who knows, your wild ass guess.... oh.... I mean prophecy... might even come true. Then, you really have them by the nose.
Cindi
Quote from: Cindi Jones on January 25, 2008, 01:30:29 AM
Actually, prophecy is an effective tool of power. No matter what you come up with, if you can get people to believe it, you have gained some power over them.
Cindi
i predict the world will end when you finish reading this post ;)
Your co-worker was watching the history channel this week. But not closely enough. As explained in other replies to your post the Mayans and other cultures predicted a galactic solstice. The constellations restart their trips across the sky. End of one age beginning of another. Its an excuse to have a party, that's all.
I am not concerned about the end of the world as I do not think that it will occur in my lifetime. Now, the end of the United States? That I am more concerned about.
Maybe we'll all get turned into cats. All the meowing!
I think something will happen, but I don't think it'll be world shattering or spinning or destroying. At last I won't have to turn 30 if the world does end.
For myself the world could stop before then but for the human race they have got much longer.
Quote from: Natasha on January 25, 2008, 07:04:30 AM
Quote from: Cindi Jones on January 25, 2008, 01:30:29 AM
Actually, prophecy is an effective tool of power. No matter what you come up with, if you can get people to believe it, you have gained some power over them.
Cindi
i predict the world will end when you finish reading this post ;)
which you? 8)
Since that will give me a little time to get ready, everyone is invited to my house on that day to watch for the end, just in case. Hope you like good southern barbecue! Bring your own lawn chairs, because I'm kinda short on them. But I have a nice view of the sky so we can watch the asteroid hit. Maybe Cindy will come and bring one of her telescopes.
Be here around noon. This will be a My End Of World (MEOW) Party. Who's coming?
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The world will end but I will go on as I always do
to spin and weave and create anew
Kwan-Yin/Isis/Divine Mother/Lakshmi
Dec 21, 2012 is the day the 30 year ban on plaid is lifted. Maybe. :P
Anyhoo if the magnetic poll of the center of this galaxy were to shift towards us that would mean that we are not in it. However we are half way out the main spiral. Remember that everything in the universe is moving and some other black hole or quasar could move into our system. A black hole would suck us in and a quasar would pummel us with gamma radiation and totally cook the solar system including the sun. A great day for a barbeque.