I just stumbled upon this clip on youtube of the (I wouldn't call them glam-rock, but anyway) band, All the pretty Horses. First time I'm hearing about them, but really I loved what the lead says about the soul and the body. I'm officially a fan, though I suppose I should find some of the music before I commit to that... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3y5K-C64U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2404fBLiaU
Has anybody seen the documentary about them (Venus of Mars)? After watching the second clip, it seems really interesting.
Posted on: 23 January 2008, 04:15:06
Yeah okay... after listening to some of the music... glam rock. Maybe glam-punk-ish?
Clip 1: I used to like proper glam rock (Mark Bolan, David Bowie, The Sweet etc) but this lot musically are just plain awful......
Clip 2: Interesting documentary clip which put too much enphasis on make up and the person over did it in that department...
I'd love to see the documentary. It's not my type of music but zie seems like a pretty cool person.
y2g
Quote from: lady amarant on January 23, 2008, 04:19:56 AM
I just stumbled upon this clip on youtube of the (I wouldn't call them glam-rock, but anyway) band, All the pretty Horses. First time I'm hearing about them, but really I loved what the lead says about the soul and the body. I'm officially a fan, though I suppose I should find some of the music before I commit to that... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3y5K-C64U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2404fBLiaU
Has anybody seen the documentary about them (Venus of Mars)? After watching the second clip, it seems really interesting.
Posted on: 23 January 2008, 04:15:06
Yeah okay... after listening to some of the music... glam rock. Maybe glam-punk-ish?
I bought the video and the CD too..the bass player (the one with real boobs) is a "thumb-er" bass player and that is the same as my style. He states that he is NOT interested in GRS and wants to stay married to his wife.
It cost about $32.00USD if I remember correctly..and yes there's some shock rock scenes in it...but overall it's good and insightful looking into the band's life, lifestyle and transgender theme.
At the time of the video production, the drummer was going to go all the way...but I haven't followed them for a while.
If anyone finds something out...post it here...but the music in my category is definitely Glam.
EVEN I SCARE TRANSGENDER PEOPLE!!! I love that statement, you can tell they are good people, yes maybe they put a big emphasis on makeup, but the point is simply that the makeup is no different that wearing panties under your boy jeans, its that one little thing that makes you feel better and when you have to shove it back to the closet, you will feel regression and it will only come out more that ever before, or to be honest suicide becomes a reality.
At least those are along the lines of how I can relate.
Quote from: maragirlygirr on January 24, 2008, 02:59:11 PM
EVEN I SCARE TRANSGENDER PEOPLE!!! I love that statement, you can tell they are good people, yes maybe they put a big emphasis on makeup, but the point is simply that the makeup is no different that wearing panties under your boy jeans, its that one little thing that makes you feel better and when you have to shove it back to the closet, you will feel regression and it will only come out more that ever before, or to be honest suicide becomes a reality.
At least those are along the lines of how I can relate.
That's exactly what I got out of it too - we all cope in our own way.
Being in a rock band and reality are two ideas that do not ever run in the same sentence, except when one is saying the first precludes the other.
Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 03:02:52 PM
Being in a rock band and reality are two ideas that do not ever run in the same sentence, except when one is saying the first precludes the other.
That's the truth! Too many rock musicians never grow up, and I don't necessarily mean that in a good way. I'm all for artists maintaining a sense of childlike wonder and creativity, but staying the mentality of a teenage boy forever... not such a good idea. :P
y2g
Tell it to me. That's my life. But, its not all of them. And its none of the real good ones. Let's never forget that Mick Jagger has a degree from the London School of Economics.
Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 03:13:24 PM
Let's never forget that Mick Jagger has a degree from the London School of Economics.
Capitalist sellout... ;)
He never sold out, he just bought in. Big diff.
Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 03:25:16 PM
He never sold out, he just bought in. Big diff.
Gee, is that a line there? Mighty thin, isn't it? :P
No, I don't think it is. I don't think that the Rolling Stones ever started out to be some off-beat, alternative band. They started with the idea of making hit records. Of being "recording artists" and all that. Dwelling in some obscure corner of music sub-culture was not what they were doing it for.
God it almost pains me - a DeadHead - to say this, but, perhaps, and just maybe perhaps, but perhaps nonetheless, the Rolling Stones are the greatest rock band ever.
IF --- and its not even an if --- The blues had a baby and they called it rock and roll, then the RS are the real deal. If 19th Nervous Breakdown was released today it would be an alternative classic from that day one. Jumping Jack Flash, right on rock. And Sympathy for the Devil is still the most evil rock song ever done. Thought they might have made a lot of crap, I'll take their top ten hits against any other band if it comes down to doing Rhythm and Blues as being the defining moment of rock and roll - and at that - the defining moment of rock and roll being Rhythm and Blues is Exile on Main Street.
Exile on Main Street, Beggers Banquet, Satanic Majesties Request, Aftermath, and of course, Let It Bleed. Most band never get a greatest hits as good as any one of those records are worth.
Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 04:02:32 PM
No, I don't think it is.
You know, I was just being contrary - I know they're a commercial band, I like a lot of their music, and I'd probably have a really interesting conversation with Jagger about economics, since I'm into it myself.
Now Metallica, there's a real buncha sellouts! (and will she go for this one... >:D )
Selloutaca? Yeah, and even then... Fade 2 Black is a classic, one that began a revolution in music. But well JH is ok, but Lars. Oh, don't get me going.
I have only one thing to say about all that......Freebird!!!!!
Beverly
Even I can play Freebird, I can't play like Keith Richards, and god knows, I've tried - for 30 years now, at least.
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on January 24, 2008, 05:23:59 PM
I have only one thing to say about all that......Freebird!!!!!
Aaaaackkk! (y2g, who has played a few too many bar gigs in hir day, runs screaming and shrieking at this request)
Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 05:28:44 PM
Even I can play Freebird, I can't play like Keith Richards, and god knows, I've tried - for 30 years now, at least.
Open G tuning, without the low sixth string. GDGBD
y2g
Its not the tuning, I tune guitars for a living, its that very jagged, very off-kilter rhythm he does.
Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 05:41:05 PM
Its not the tuning, I tune guitars for a living, its that very jagged, very off-kilter rhythm he does.
Right, the alternate tuning is only part of it... however certain of his classic riffs almost fall out of that tuning naturally compared to trying to play them in standard.
y2g
Here is the deal, there were not "classic riffs" till he did them. And, even given that with Watts/Wyman we would sound beyond awesome too - still, all by himself, is is the ->-bleeped-<-. I asked a very famous (the name does not matter) how he came to play like he did and his response was "that was the only way I COULD play." That is the ->-bleeped-<-.
Quote from: y2gender on January 24, 2008, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on January 24, 2008, 05:23:59 PM
I have only one thing to say about all that......Freebird!!!!!
Aaaaackkk! (y2g, who has played a few too many bar gigs in hir day, runs screaming and shrieking at this request)
LOL I understand dear but you didn't live in Jacksonville, didn't see the guys in an earlier evolution when they played the Comic Book Club nor in later years check the guys in at the ticket counter when they were going out on flights. You never saw a little 2 year old named Layla take off down the concourse when she saw her daddy (Billy Powell) coming off an airplane. I knew some of the guys in Skynard (and Molly Hatchet, .38 Special & Blackfoot. I still have .38 Special's first album signed to me by all the band.)
A Skynard fan forever,
Beverly
That their kids loved them, and all kids - at least the healthy ones - love mom and dad, does not a Rocker make. I'm sure Keith's kids love him too.
Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
I'm sure Keith's kids love him too.
I don't know. If my dad had been that ugly............. :icon_giggle:
GD&R
Beverly
Quote from: y2gender on January 24, 2008, 06:10:03 PM
Right, the alternate tuning is only part of it... however certain of his classic riffs almost fall out of that tuning naturally compared to trying to play them in standard.
y2g
Took the words right out of my mouth. You can play them in standard tuning, but it just does not sound the same IMHO. The whole thing combines to produce his unique style.
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The three players that always inspired me where David Gilmour, Mark Knopfler, and Jimmy Page. I guess it comes from listening to Pink Floyd, Dire Straights, and Led Zepplin when I would go with my dad to the oil rigs he worked on during the summer. It's funny too, because both David and Mark admit they should practice more than they do, but when I listen to what they play it totally blows me away.
Quote from Tekla
"God it almost pains me - a DeadHead - to say this, but, perhaps, and just maybe perhaps, but perhaps nonetheless, the Rolling Stones are the greatest rock band ever."
That has to be the most ridiculous comment i have ever seen.
I know, and that why I said, 'it almost pains me' but if you got a better R&B record, track for track than Exile on Main Street, done by a rock band, I would love to know what it is. I got some live Dead shows that come close, but even Jerry liked Keith.
I like that both Jerry Garcia and Jimmy Page admitted to never playing the same solo twice. True fly by the seat of their pants guys. I don't know much about the Stones, though I do love Ruby Tuesday and Gimme Shelter. I think liking Paint it Black is just a must for everybody :-). Something the classic rock guys have that a lot of newer bands don't is tone. They could play the simplest riff, but the tone they had made it sound like the best thing ever!
Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 05:41:05 PM
Its not the tuning, I tune guitars for a living, its that very jagged, very off-kilter rhythm he does.
No matter what you say, the RSs are still just a garage band. A very GOOD garage band...but just that.
Listen closely to their licks and riffs. They are very amateurish. The bass gets lost, the kick goes off beat and the lead falls on the metal part of the frets.
Gawd..they are So-o-o-o- good! Really!
Ain't that the real rock and roll of it?
Really, if you wanted perfect, you would play with Miles Davis. If he would have you. And he wouldn't.
Quote from: elena on January 24, 2008, 08:43:31 PM
The three players that always inspired me where David Gilmour, Mark Knopfler, and Jimmy Page.
A few guitarists that inspired me early on were Joni Mitchell, John Fahey and John Renbourn. Many others since...
y2g
In the beatles VS Rolling Stones, I take the moptop for sure.
They had the best melodies ever and they stick in your head forever.
I think the rolling stones are best seen in concert.
Because the beatles stage presence in their 1964-1966 period was
not all that great (though the rolling stones where pretty boring initially
too). Its strange, in their cavern and hamburg days, the beatles were
supposed to be fantastic on stage, but I think the crazyness of beatlemania
kinda killed that. They complained that nobody could hear their songs anyway!
I love jazz and blues, hip hop and world beat, but never really got the stones.
They do have great songs, but I think siouxie and the banshies had more influence
on music than them than them (I know its sacrilege but Its my opinion).
I don't think I dismissed them as players and entertainers..the Stones are most assuredly that!
Going Home has to be the only song that kept me sane overseas in VietNam in 1968-69.
They have taken garage band to new heights and yes...that's the beauty of it all..they can be that good and that bad all at the same time. That makes them very live and powerfully authentic too.
The Beatles were slick...well-formed and extremely talented...geniuses even...but the Stones are trench-and-bar-players.
To me it was a din.....I prefer more mellow music with a good vocalist......are there any melodic transgender bands out there I wonder?
Quote from: Berliegh on January 28, 2008, 06:29:43 AM
To me it was a din.....I prefer more mellow music with a good vocalist......are there any melodic transgender bands out there I wonder?
There are quite a few in the Far East, where transsexuals are much more accepted than inthe West, generally. A well known one is Harisu, from South Korea and a group called Lady - I think they're from Hong Kong.
There's also Dana International from Israel - she won the Eurovision contest in the late 90's, and has an AMAZING voice.
All of them tend to stick to pop/Jpop and dance, which isn't my thing exactly, but I have huge respect for them for making the successes they have. And it's a lot mellower than All the Pretty Horses, that's for sure...
Harisu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsgdN8lorqY
Dana International:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv83u7-mNWQ
Quote from: Renate on January 28, 2008, 06:44:59 AM
Richard Thompson can play circles around them all. He does more with less.
For non-standard tunings, you can't beat Nick Drake.
Quote from: Berliegh on January 28, 2008, 06:29:43 AM
Are there any melodic transgender bands out there I wonder?
I'm a one woman transgender band. I sing folk-ish. Does that count?
Renate
Drake and Thompson are both fantastic songwriters/guitarists, but I've never heard that either was trans ;)
I'm transgender and my partner and I perform folk music. Very melodic, but it isn't common knowledge among most of our audience that I'm trans...
y2g
Quote from: y2gender on January 28, 2008, 08:40:09 AM
Quote from: Renate on January 28, 2008, 06:44:59 AM
Richard Thompson can play circles around them all. He does more with less.
For non-standard tunings, you can't beat Nick Drake.
Quote from: Berliegh on January 28, 2008, 06:29:43 AM
Are there any melodic transgender bands out there I wonder?
I'm a one woman transgender band. I sing folk-ish. Does that count?
Renate
Drake and Thompson are both fantastic songwriters/guitarists, but I've never heard that either was trans ;)
I'm transgender and my partner and I perform folk music. Very melodic, but it isn't common knowledge among most of our audience that I'm trans...
y2g
I think Renate was making a musical competence comparison rather than a gender one! I've seen a lot of transgendered bands like All the Pretty Horses that are on the grunge side of rock.......but wouldn't it be nice to see a transgenderd band that can play and sing well and look good both visually and tastefully?
Quote from: Berliegh on January 29, 2008, 12:38:36 PM
but wouldn't it be nice to see a transgenderd band that can play and sing well and look good both visually and tastefully?
There are quite a few - see my post above. Unfortunately just not that many in the West.