Good morning guys, dolls, etc.
It's your friend Nero again, continuing his quest to understand you rare and lovely beings, you unicorns of the transgender world.
First question:
As an androgynee, do you feel any somatic dysphoria? If so, what sort? Are you dysphoric of particular body parts or features? Primary sex characteristics and/or secondary sex characteristics? Or is your dysphoria caused more by the fact that you look like a certain binary gender?
Second question:
If you answered yes, that you do feel some somatic dysphoria - have you any notions or theories on why that may be seeing as you are non-binary?
your friend,
the all-inquisitive Nero
No dysphoria here. I would be equally content in a body of any sex!
When you don't feel you are either gender, one sex would be just as good as the other.
My physical biologically was a flip of the coin.
No need to tweak what is an equally perfect vehicle for a genderless soul.
Body and gender euphoric! :icon_biggrin:
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
i've probably answered this one somewhere, but hey.
Apart from the usual body dislikes I do have an issue with the way may body moves. I'd love a more coordinated body. I'd also not mind a flashier body because I'd like to think I have a flashy soul. I don't, my soul is as splay footed and ham fisted as my body.
I have a certain amount of dysphoria regarding the size of my breasts, simply because they are -so- large. Though I'm lucky and don't suffer much, there are many non-binarys that do. Also I think I'll take Pica's answer, I'm a klutz LOL I'd love some coordination hehehe
Quote from: Emerald on February 08, 2008, 06:49:08 AM
No dysphoria here. I would be equally content in a body of any sex!
When you don't feel you are either gender, one sex would be just as good as the other.
My physical biologically was a flip of the coin.
No need to tweak what is an equally perfect vehicle for a genderless soul.
Body and gender euphoric! :icon_biggrin:
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
Is it possible that you could for once post without making blanket statements? There are plenty of people who don't have a gender identity but still experience somatic dysphoria.
Nero: I am,,, I feel strong somatic dysphoria towards both my primary and secondary sex characteristics. Strictly in terms of body image it really doesn't matter if I look like a binary gender or if my body is a 50/50 mix. None of those options are right when I look in the mirror. In practice however, looking androgynous and therefore not being instantly labelled by everyone as male or female permits a level of dissociation from the sex characteristics I have.
As for why? We don't have any proven medical explanation for m2fs and f2ms yet, so for ,, is anyone's guess. Maybe estrogen levels in the womb affect gender identity as well as testosterone levels and if you're lacking both then having either in your body later in life feels wrong? All I know is I feel far more comfortable with my testosterone blocked and taking a low dose of estrogen. I will be interested after surgery to see how I feel with no HRT (though not a good idea to do that for long periods).
I too think we've talked about this somewhere somewhen. Anyway...
I do have a mild but quite clear case of somatic dysphoria, and one which feels very much like how some MtF's describe their condition. That is, I'm quite convinced that my brain in some way expects to be in a female body. I'm not too distressed about it, though -- even to the point that I do see the advantages of having a penis in the family and am willing to contribute to the common good by keeping it between my legs.
I see being an androgyne strictly as a matter of gender as opposed to sex, although the origins are related.
The theory I've got about my gender identity is that it's a mix of nature and nurture. Nature-wise, I got a female brain in a male body. Nurture-wise, I was given enough room to find a gender role that I can live with, in that I was never forced into a strictly masculine role. On the other hand, I also never got the opportunity to try a strictly feminine role, and by now such an opportunity is very low in my wish list. From the outside it looks like I'm about as feminine as a normal man can be, but the opposite side of that coin is that I'm about as masculine as a woman can be without causing too many eyebrows to rise. And I really haven't got any desire to go too far in either direction.
Nfr
Andra-
I'm not Neutrois.
Neutrois are distinctive due to their acute GID and unique body dysphoria.
From http://neutrois.0catch.com/faq.htmQuote"Neutrois Outpost, the official Neutrois Transgender home on the web!"
What are Neutrois?
Isn't this just another name for androgyne? No. While Neutrois seek an androgynous appearance, androgynes aren't Neutrois because being Neutrois involves gender dysphoria. Androgynes don't necessarily have any difficulties with their gender identities.
Where does 'Neutrois' come from? Who coined it? Neutrois means non-gendered class. It was originally coined by H.A. Burnham, in 1995. Ze formed it to give a name to hirself, and other people with feelings of gender absence and resulting misalignment.
Personally, I think of Neutrois as a subgroup of Androgyne, but not everyone does.
-Emerald
I have suffered from somatic dysphora, however my feelings of hatred of body parts weren't at extreme intensity levels. This, among other things, led me to believe that I wasn't really TS. I think I'd be happier with a female body, however I can manage with the male body I have. It's healthy, and everything works reasonably well ;) Mostly my discomfort comes from being seen as male, I'd rather be seen for who I really am, neither, androgyne, or whatever else that might be. :-\
y2g
Quote from: Emerald on February 08, 2008, 09:14:49 AM
Andra-
I'm not Neutrois.
Er... I know. I also know what they are, being one myself.
Quote from: y2gender on February 08, 2008, 09:38:49 AM
Mostly my discomfort comes from being seen as male, I'd rather be seen for who I really am, neither, androgyne, or whatever else that might be. :-\
impossible. everyone needs a hanger to place their coat.
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 08, 2008, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: y2gender on February 08, 2008, 09:38:49 AM
Mostly my discomfort comes from being seen as male, I'd rather be seen for who I really am, neither, androgyne, or whatever else that might be. :-\
impossible. everyone needs a hanger to place their coat.
and where do you hang your coat? neither or both? do tell.
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 08, 2008, 11:38:05 AM
impossible. everyone needs a hanger to place their coat.
Or to park their airplane :P
Quote from: Nero on February 08, 2008, 12:02:45 PM
and where do you hang your coat? neither or both? do tell.
On a peg by the front door ;)
Z
today I don't know what I am.
I'm not happy with my body. I have no clear idea of what I want to be, or need to be, in order to be happy about myself. I don't care about genitals, but I want a female face, a full head of hair, small little shoulders. I think I want a female body, but I don't know. Maybe I want a manikin's body. A feminine one. Maybe I'm confusing feminine with 'gender neutral'.
Today, I decided that I am ready to appropriate Pica's word - 'pregendered'.
People see me as some creature that I don't particularly identify with.
I guess I have that somatic dysphoria, although I had to read some posts before I knew what it meant.
I don't know why I feel the way I do. It's as if I have no clarity concerning myself. I don't want men to see me as a man or a woman. I don't want women to see me as a woman or a man. I want to be seen as an adult, though.
I am restless. Like my mind is waiting for the correct container. maybe I've been feeling itchy these past few weeks. Sometimes, I'm okay with myself, but that's because at my best, I am transcendent. I'm not at my best.
I left my perfect body behind at some point during my puberty. I remember I was okay with it even though I felt it wasn't 'the one'. Just before I reached adulthood, I lost my ability to look at least somewhat similar to the person I felt I was.
I just want to cry.
Where do I park my starship? Really though I have found this discussion interesting so far.
Cindy, your local nosy person. "Hee, hee," Wing Walker agreed.
I forgot to say that if I sound confused, it is because I am.
It's okay, though. This is me. This is my life.
signed,
Detective Scrotes
I don't park anything, I just walk.
Posted on: February 08, 2008, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: Emerald on February 08, 2008, 06:49:08 AM
When you don't feel you are either gender, one sex would be just as good as the other.
Quote from: Andra on February 08, 2008, 07:59:49 AM
Is it possible that you could for once post without making blanket statements? There are plenty of people who don't have a gender identity but still experience somatic dysphoria.
It was a blanket statement Emerald, made for those who aren't either gender... whether or not you're neutrois. ;) Andra and others have said that they as well don't feel like they are either gender yet still have dysphoria.
I hope this answers the question. I am not entirely sure I understood it, so I am going off other peoples responses.
What is between my legs is not a big issue for me.
It seems strange to admit it, but to me it does not matter if the organs between my legs are male, female or null. All have benefits and downsides as far as I am concerned and none are really worth the amount of problems, money and effort a change would require. Given the option to pick, I am not even sure which way I would want to go other than saying that of the 3 options my least likely choice would be what I currently have due to looks (male organs are not good looking to me) and the fact that I ride bicycles (lets just say there are times when testicles are a mans least favorite body part).
Someone around here once said their penis was more like a built-in strap-on, I always thought of mine sort of like excess baggage. You do not need one for an orgasm and you do not need one to give an orgasm so why carry it around. It is an extra appendage, a fragile package that if you do not pack properly will cause considerable trouble during travel.
Don't get me wrong having male genitalia has its moments, but as they say, the most important sex organ is between your ears, not your legs.
Quote from: Rebis on February 08, 2008, 01:35:58 PM
I just want to cry.
Sorry you're feeling bad Reeb! It will get better. The world will eventually recognize us all for the beautiful and unique beings that we are.
Z
Chucking humor to the side for now, I quite agree with you y2gender, I really do feel bad that you are feeling down Rebis hon.
QuoteSorry you're feeling bad Reeb! It will get better. The world will eventually recognize us all for the beautiful and unique beings that we are.
Z
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on February 08, 2008, 09:57:47 PM
Chucking humor to the side for now, I quite agree with you y2gender, I really do feel bad that you are feeling down Rebis hon.
QuoteSorry you're feeling bad Reeb! It will get better. The world will eventually recognize us all for the beautiful and unique beings that we are.
Z
Cindy
Thanks. It'll pass. It always does.
There are times when I truly do not understand who or what I am.
Hi Rebis my friend
I am really grateful for all of you in the Androgyne group for helping me a while back and I just wanted to say that if you need to share with someone, I am open to listening if nothing else.
Love and healing light
Cindy
Quote from: Rebis on February 08, 2008, 01:35:58 PM
I just want to cry.
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Hugs for Rebis!!! :icon_bunch: And flowers! I hope you feel better soon!!!
As far as dysphoria goes, I don't care about my sex at all, though being female is more practical because I want to have kids and I like men (I DO NOT understand or get along with women...I can at least relate to men on some level...I don't know that I've ever had a normal relationship with a woman, friend or family...I seem to be a magnet for psychotic women...). I would just like to look completely androgynous, not exactly female, but not exactly male. Somewhere in between...Actually, I really like the way Kathrine Moenning looks on the L Word...she plays Shane. I would like to look like her. I look female. My face and body are pretty girly.
I don't get the L Word channel. If I did, I don't think I could watch it because it would hurt seeing people who look the way I yearn to look.
Signed,
Desperate in Havanna
Quote from: Rebis on February 12, 2008, 10:16:17 AM
I don't get the L Word channel. If I did, I don't think I could watch it because it would hurt seeing people who look the way I yearn to look.
Signed,
Desperate in Havanna
Oh, my beloved Reebs. I don't have the words.
Ah Rebis me old china, who ever truly knows themselves...the eternal mystery of being androgyne can be a real drag...Even if you don't find your answers I hope you find your peace.
My own yearning is very undefined. I have this concept that I should be this sensual feminine creature but I don't want to be a woman. I'm happy with the boy bits, don't even mind being a bit hairy (apart from facial hair that is), but would love the curves of a woman to move as they do. Perhaps all we really want is to be angels.
Nicole
xx
Yeah. Angels.
Angels with hairy wings. :angel:
Quote from: Rebis on February 12, 2008, 10:22:33 PM
Yeah. Angels.
Angels with hairy wings. :angel:
then we could fly...and possibly shed. i'd like to be an angel...I could be all glowy.
glowy & non-gendered and beautiful.
I'm not much for angels. I'd prefer to be a fairy. Or more accurately, a fae. A satyr might be fun too, I would look good with horns.
I like fairies to.
Angels
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Or Fairies
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Have a wonderful day :D
Cindy
Well, there is the angelic kind then there is the more gritty kind of (fallen?) angel, I'm not sure what I prefer:
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I prefer Alan Rickman.
Katherine Moennig, hey I would mind looking like her myself.
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Cindy
Posted on: February 20, 2008, 09:06:44 PM
Alan Rickman. Huba huba beutiful.
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Cindy
I'd dig looking like Shane too..
and Alan Rickman's voice is just hot
>.>
<.<
Quote from: Alison on February 20, 2008, 11:14:59 PM
I'd dig looking like Shane too..
and Alan Rickman's voice is just hot
>.>
<.<
I must say I also find his voice quite enchanting. And I love that surly attitude he has in Dogma. :icon_love: I love Alan Rickman. :laugh:
Quote from: Jaimey on February 21, 2008, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Alison on February 20, 2008, 11:14:59 PM
I'd dig looking like Shane too..
and Alan Rickman's voice is just hot
>.>
<.<
I must say I also find his voice quite enchanting. And I love that surly attitude he has in Dogma. :icon_love: I love Alan Rickman. :laugh:
Die hard is where I first realized how cool he is. I guess he also played Tybalt at some point, which would have been great to see (although Mercutio is still my favorite).
Quote from: Jaimey on February 20, 2008, 08:10:45 PM
I prefer Alan Rickman.
I second that.
I also kind of liked John Travoltas angel in the movie Michael...
Quote from: Kir on February 21, 2008, 04:51:00 PM
I guess he also played Tybalt at some point, which would have been great to see (although Mercutio is still my favorite).
*gasp* I would love to see him do Shakespeare! (Mercutio is my favorite too!)
I have really intense gender dysphoria. I plan on getting an SRS, but I don't want to live as a woman. I say I'm genderqueer, I'm neutrois, I'm an androgyne, they all apply to me in their own way. But I don't consider myself as having a gender on the binary.
so, Sex: female
Gender: none.
if that makes sense.
Quote from: Vivian on February 27, 2008, 08:53:20 PM
I have really intense gender dysphoria. I plan on getting an SRS, but I don't want to live as a woman. I say I'm genderqueer, I'm neutrois, I'm an androgyne, they all apply to me in their own way. But I don't consider myself as having a gender on the binary.
so, Sex: female
Gender: none.
if that makes sense.
Bless your heart for actually posting about the topic. :D
if there is a place in "hell" for thread hijacking... >:D
hey, rely on me to get back to the topic. I mean, today. But maybe not tomorrow. I'm flighty sometimes.
Flighty? Yeah me to. The thing is I follow the topic until someone strays off and I end up following then. Don't do it on purpose, Jaimey, Pleeeeeeeease Don't send me to Hel.........
"Hey, not bad." If I shovel out all the bat ->-bleeped-<- out of this cave I can pic another nicer planet to live on.
Cindy
Quote from: Vivian on February 27, 2008, 08:53:20 PM
so, Sex: female
Gender: none.
if that makes sense.
Yes, it makes perfect sense. Thank you for coming out as another one whose views of eir sex and gender don't match. ;)
Nfr
Today I hereby declare myself to be a gender fractal!
whose comfort of body comes and mostly goes.
your getting through them words pretty quick at the moment.
we continue to evolve, or get sidetracked.
Quote from: Rebis on February 28, 2008, 09:05:36 PM
we continue to evolve, or get sidetracked.
Indeed. Evolve or get left behind.
Quote from: Jaimey on February 29, 2008, 09:13:58 PM
Quote from: Rebis on February 28, 2008, 09:05:36 PM
we continue to evolve, or get sidetracked.
Indeed. Evolve or get left behind.
That statement reminded me of the Borg. Resistance is futile. :p
We are evolving. this human species has to evolve or we will not survive the next wave of change. There are many of us who are gifted in different ways. We have to get on the train or get left behind. Cindy takes her hat with the long plume off and steps away from the podium and bows gracefully to the audience and departs from the stage.
Cindy
Quote from: emmi/andy on March 02, 2008, 12:50:26 AM
Resistance is futile. :p
Yes, it is. >:D
Cindy, if you're going to hell for threadjacking, I'm sure I've got a warm spot right by the fire...heh. It'll be a big androgyne forum party down there...>:D
By the way, Vivian...I like your shoes (so much that I have a pair just like them ;))
Quote from: Rebis on February 28, 2008, 07:30:46 AM
Today I hereby declare myself to be a gender fractal!
whose comfort of body comes and mostly goes.
I often feel like an alien...sometimes I look in the mirror and think, "whose body did I steal?"
Hi Jaimey. Can I bring the weenies and hamburger for the party I could go fry them in the west end of Hell. Anyone for marshmallows. If yes go toast them yourself, it's hot as hell over there.
Cindy
Quote from: Jaimey on March 02, 2008, 11:44:55 PM
By the way, Vivian...I like your shoes (so much that I have a pair just like them ;))
I love them because they're androgynous and functional with almost anything!
Quote from: Rebis on February 28, 2008, 07:30:46 AM
Today I hereby declare myself to be a gender fractal!
whose comfort of body comes and mostly goes.
I'm in the mood for declarations - today I declare myself
Feminine Body Wanting Social Role Rejecting Ungendered Androgyne (FBWSRRUBA for short).
you're a nerd, aren't you? :laugh:
I prefer the term Geek.. ;)
I'm just too good looking, socially adept and humble to be a nerd. :P
I thank you for correcting me.
In any case, you're so sweet. :-*
Quote from: Rebis on March 03, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
In any case, you're so sweet. :-*
Awwww :icon_love:
i used to feel like an alien, i feel ok now
Quote from: Pica Pica on March 03, 2008, 06:22:42 PM
i used to feel like an alien, i feel ok now
Must be tough being English...
It's not necessarily a bad feeling, just alien. ...does that qualify as a pun? :icon_weee:
Quote from: Jaimey on March 03, 2008, 07:54:48 PM
It's not necessarily a bad feeling, just alien. .
Do you think this is a similar feeling to relating with Androids?
Quote from: NickSister on March 03, 2008, 08:05:47 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on March 03, 2008, 07:54:48 PM
It's not necessarily a bad feeling, just alien. .
Do you think this is a similar feeling to relating with Androids?
Actually, it could be. It's sad, but reading some of those manga about androids, I sometimes think I'd be just as content to have an android as a real human. And other times I wouldn't mind just being an android myself. :-\
I wish I was an android all the time.
Well, I always thought I had a decent vocabulary...until I saw the word "dysphoria" and had to look it up.
If I really understand the definition of "dysphoria" correctly, I'm not sure if this counts. But, I hate being covered in hair. And I mean covered. Like, on the backs of my fingers and even on my toes. I'm the family silverback, though it's not silver yet. Yet.
Ideally, I would have no hair whatsover save for that which is on the TOP of my head. My pot belly has nothing to do with somatic dysphoria; I just need to get off my hirsuit backside and exercise. My face is a bit too angular for my tastes, but I'm not sure if all these things count as the opposite of euphoria.
I'd like to have a breast reduction, but other than that I'm o.k. with the equipment.
Quote from: shades.ogrey on March 03, 2008, 10:34:20 PM
Well, I always thought I had a decent vocabulary...until I saw the word "dysphoria" and had to look it up.
If I really understand the definition of "dysphoria" correctly, I'm not sure if this counts. But, I hate being covered in hair. And I mean covered. Like, on the backs of my fingers and even on my toes. I'm the family silverback, though it's not silver yet. Yet.
Ideally, I would have no hair whatsover save for that which is on the TOP of my head. My pot belly has nothing to do with somatic dysphoria; I just need to get off my hirsuit backside and exercise. My face is a bit too angular for my tastes, but I'm not sure if all these things count as the opposite of euphoria.
I think dysphoria includes a kind of confusion as to why your body is not right for you, or an outright dislike or hatred of it. In the context of gender/sex.
I think
Quote from: Max on March 03, 2008, 10:48:19 PM
I'd like to have a breast reduction, but other than that I'm o.k. with the equipment.
Too bad there are no breast transplants. We could match up those who want to get rid of theirs with those who want them.
Simone
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 04, 2008, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: Max on March 03, 2008, 10:48:19 PM
I'd like to have a breast reduction, but other than that I'm o.k. with the equipment.
Too bad there are no breast transplants. We could match up those who want to get rid of theirs with those who want them.
Simone
I think fat transplants would be fantastic. Take excess from me and give it to someone who really needed it. :D heheh. Or I could just get off my fatass and work out. *sigh*
Quote from: Jaimey on March 05, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
I think fat transplants would be fantastic. Take excess from me and give it to someone who really needed it. :D heheh. Or I could just get off my fatass and work out. *sigh*
transplant some fat onto paris hilton's friend Nicole.
I feel bad for that woman.
I hope you don't really think of yourself as being the "F" word, Jaimey. Nothing wrong with being overweight if you're generally healthy. I understand you're probably just goofing when you use the "F" word. I call meyself stupid sometimes like that time one second ago when I misspelled the word "myself".
Quote from: Rebis on March 05, 2008, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on March 05, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
I think fat transplants would be fantastic. Take excess from me and give it to someone who really needed it. :D heheh. Or I could just get off my fatass and work out. *sigh*
transplant some fat onto paris hilton's friend Nicole.
I feel bad for that woman.
I hope you don't really think of yourself as being the "F" word, Jaimey. Nothing wrong with being overweight if you're generally healthy. I understand you're probably just goofing when you use the "F" word. I call meyself stupid sometimes like that time one second ago when I misspelled the word "myself".
Are you worried about me, Reb? :icon_love: I feel warm and fuzzy. I'll try to stop saying the 'F' word. I don't really mean it in a degrading way...but then again, I might just be trying to motivate myself by using it so often. I'd say I'm generally healthy, but it wouldn't hurt me to shed some pounds...
...it is worth mentioning that I really like the word "fatass" though. :laugh:
fatass is funny.
I was just checking that you weren't messing with your own self esteem. I understand that kind of self motivation.
Quote from: Rebis on March 06, 2008, 08:02:10 PM
fatass is funny.
I was just checking that you weren't messing with your own self esteem. I understand that kind of self motivation.
don't take me seriously. :D I don't really think much about my body at all. :-\ Is that weird? I think I just ignore it. Meh.
Fatass is a great word...it just rolls of the tongue in such a pretty way...fatass. I love it. :D
Quote from: Jaimey on March 06, 2008, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: Rebis on March 06, 2008, 08:02:10 PM
fatass is funny.
I was just checking that you weren't messing with your own self esteem. I understand that kind of self motivation.
don't take me seriously. :D I don't really think much about my body at all. :-\ Is that weird? I think I just ignore it. Meh.
Fatass is a great word...it just rolls of the tongue in such a pretty way...fatass. I love it. :D
fatass looks funny when you read it too :laugh:
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 04, 2008, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: Max on March 03, 2008, 10:48:19 PM
I'd like to have a breast reduction, but other than that I'm o.k. with the equipment.
Too bad there are no breast transplants. We could match up those who want to get rid of theirs with those who want them.
Simone
lol So true! I'd gladly donate for a good cause. ^.~
This topic brings up many interesting thoughts on how we view our bodies. I am a MtF, and I am more concerned about looking beautiful "in my eyes", than looking totally feminine. Yes, there are definitely overlaps, but I do not mind if someone pegs me for being "born male", but I would mind if their first response was to think I looked unattractive.
Even though these judgements can be relative and subjective, I have found that the untimate judge of beauty is the way I look in the mirror. So, if I grow dissatified with a body part, I try to change it first in non-invasive ways. If that is not possible then I look to some surgery to improve or fix it.
I have been relatively successful on parts below the neck, basically using diet and exercise to get a good look. But as I grow older, the face is an inescapable problem for mirror watching. So I find myself looking at cosmetic surgeries to look as I feel I should, when I look in the mirror.
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As an androgynee, do you feel any somatic dysphoria? If so, what sort? Are you dysphoric of particular body parts or features? Primary sex characteristics and/or secondary sex characteristics? Or is your dysphoria caused more by the fact that you look like a certain binary gender?
Oh goodness me, yes. Great green steaming, heaving, ugly lumps of dysphoria.
Most of mine has to do with being big on top. I'm not so worried by the presence or absence of anything south of the border, although my monthly visitor makes me want to lock myself in a shed for a week. In my head I don't have a phantom male unit so much as a phantom convolution which is something like both units.
On a good day I can tolerate just about everything except the top and as long as I'm wearing something that flattens me a bit I feel more or less functional. On a bad day I just want the earth to swallow me up, double-Ds, soft flabby arms, round face, squeaky voice, poor muscle tone and all. Some nights I can't get to sleep because of the way my body feels. Some days I can't bear to leave the house; I'll spend all day piling on sports bras, swimsuits, control tops, baggy shirts, and eventually I'll just give up and stay home lifting weights.
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Second question:
If you answered yes, that you do feel some somatic dysphoria - have you any notions or theories on why that may be seeing as you are non-binary?
I honestly don't know. I keep trying to talk myself out of the dysphoria by telling myself that it doesn't matter: I
know I'm not a guy, I'm as much female as I am male, so so what if I look more like one than the other? Somehow it doesn't help. Everything just feel wrong, alien, disgusting; it gets more so the older I get.
Well as for me I am 62 and I feel that I was very lucky getting what results I got from HRT. I certainly know that I am not a beauty queen, or even a credible drag queen, but what I have I am satisfied with. I have grown to realy love and admire the little lady with the long Hippy hair that I have evolved to be in the past 8 years.
Cindy
Quote from: NickSister on February 12, 2008, 03:57:56 PM
My own yearning is very undefined. I have this concept that I should be this sensual feminine creature but I don't want to be a woman. I'm happy with the boy bits, don't even mind being a bit hairy (apart from facial hair that is), but would love the curves of a woman to move as they do. Perhaps all we really want is to be angels.
Same here. Well said.
I defiantly have Dysphoria about my chest and bum
would like to have a voice that covered the whole range not just low bass
I do Like my beard though
I was looking over this topic and remembered a bout of psychosomatic pain that I went through in the two years leading up to my transitioning, and was wondering if anyone had similar experiences...
For about two years I had extremely intense pains in my testicles and groin, and seriously thought I had a tumor. I went to several doctors who all gave me a clean bill of health. It hasn't occurred once since I began transitioning. I didn't want to transition my whole life, it actually came as a sudden realization after years and years of evidence building up, and I'm convinced that my body knew before my brain did. Or, I subconsciouly knew and my subconscious was causing me pain until my conscious became aligned with it.
Just wondering if anyone else had similar experiences.
Quote from: Vivian on August 18, 2009, 02:11:47 PM
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Just wondering if anyone else had similar experiences.
I'm having that problem right now, only it started after the start of transition. :-\ I went to bunch of doctors, had ultrasound done, lots of vicodin... also tried at getting an orchi. (only my therapist isn't too hot for it if the option of srs is on the table)
I'm not sure where I'm going to end up medically, but hopefully I'll be better off once everything is said and done. (otherwise I'm going to be a ssri user for the bulk of my life x_x)
I hate some things about my body others I like others I'm indifferent about others my body is like a jigsaw puzzle the overall picture is ugly but its getting better some of the pieces need replacing badly others I'm not so sure and other are just right
so the whole thing about looking like shane...well i used to have hair like an inch past my chin and i was very androgenous looking and people used to always tell me that i looked like shane...it was awesome
Post Merge: August 28, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
but now that o have cut my hair really short and like to dress more "boyish" I get mistaken for a gay boy