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Community Conversation => Non-binary talk => Topic started by: Nero on February 13, 2008, 04:31:56 AM

Poll
Question: Are you male-bodied or female-bodied?
Option 1: I am male-bodied. votes: 19
Option 2: I am female-bodied. votes: 12
Option 3: I am intersexed. votes: 1
Title: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Nero on February 13, 2008, 04:31:56 AM
Good morning, my unicorns.

I'm curious as to the percentage of male-bodied vs female-bodied androgynees. Curious to see if the numbers are roughly equal or imbalanced. Obviously, this board doesn't represent the entire population of androgynees, but will be interesting to see nonetheless.

So, please vote and if you feel comfortable sharing which sex body you inhabit, please do so.


your friend,
the all-inquisitive Nero
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Lukas-H on February 13, 2008, 04:35:42 AM
I am female-bodied and most likely will remain so till I die. I have no wish to take hormones or get any kind of operations, but I sometimes wish I could switch between a male body and a female body.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: sd on February 13, 2008, 05:52:18 AM
Male bodied and likely to remain that way.
That could change with time, I will not rule it out, but for now no changes.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Pica Pica on February 13, 2008, 06:07:59 AM
male bodied
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Veetje on February 13, 2008, 06:42:47 AM

Male bodied and intending to take HRT...but..uhmm..my gendertherapist said I was more of a TRansgender
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Shana A on February 13, 2008, 07:27:14 AM
male bodied... ugh  :( I'd prefer female, but am living with what I got...

y2g
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Seshatneferw on February 13, 2008, 08:14:09 AM
Male-bodied, and all in all content with that. There's a certain amount of body dysphoria, but on the other hand my outward sex, legal gender and what not work very well with the long-standing relationship I have. It all balances out pretty nicely.

  Nfr
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 13, 2008, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: Nero on February 13, 2008, 04:31:56 AM
Good morning, my unicorns.
So, we've been reduced to being your pets, eh?   :laugh:
Long as you feed us well. ;)



My body is male.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Calyx on February 13, 2008, 07:24:15 PM
Male-bodied. Not content, but resigned.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Caroline on February 13, 2008, 07:33:18 PM
Male bodied, or at least used to be  ;)
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Jaimey on February 13, 2008, 08:58:03 PM
female bodied.  it's more practical for me than male, though if I could go back and choose my sex before birth, I would probably choose male...well, as long as I knew I wouldn't grow as big as my little brother (he's 13 and 6' tall already!!!...I don't want to be that big)
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Kir on February 15, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
*checks* Yep. Male.

It's interesting that there are so few females. I have theories behind it though, but perhaps for another time.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Veetje on February 15, 2008, 06:25:37 PM
Quote from: Kir on February 15, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
*checks* Yep. Male.

It's interesting that there are so few females. I have theories behind it though, but perhaps for another time.

Interesting to hear them :)
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 15, 2008, 06:27:53 PM
Quote from: Kir on February 15, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
*checks* Yep. Male.

It's interesting that there are so few females. I have theories behind it though, but perhaps for another time.
Feel free to start a thread, then let the fisticuffs begin   :laugh:
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Jaimey on February 15, 2008, 08:26:03 PM
Quote from: Kir on February 15, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
*checks* Yep. Male.

It's interesting that there are so few females. I have theories behind it though, but perhaps for another time.

Bring on the theories!  The more ideas we have to kick around, the more we can learn about ourselves!
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: VeryGnawty on February 18, 2008, 11:25:40 PM
Male, for the moment.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Max on March 07, 2008, 09:18:45 PM
Quote from: Kir on February 15, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
*checks* Yep. Male.

It's interesting that there are so few females. I have theories behind it though, but perhaps for another time.

I'd like to know what you think about it.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 07, 2008, 09:20:40 PM

I think I'm idiot bodied.    :laugh:
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Pica Pica on March 07, 2008, 09:21:28 PM
yeah, I'm wobbly bodied  ;D
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Max on March 07, 2008, 09:22:45 PM
I'm female bodied. Though, I will be having a breast reduction to a small A-cup. Other than that, I'm content with the body I was given.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 07, 2008, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: Max on March 07, 2008, 09:22:45 PM
I'm female bodied. Though, I will be having a breast reduction to a small A-cup. Other than that, I'm content with the body I was given.
congratulations!  I know what that means to you fembods.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Max on March 08, 2008, 09:37:05 PM
Quote from: Rebis on March 07, 2008, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: Max on March 07, 2008, 09:22:45 PM
I'm female bodied. Though, I will be having a breast reduction to a small A-cup. Other than that, I'm content with the body I was given.
congratulations!  I know what that means to you fembods.

Thank you kindly. ^_^
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: steve90 on March 09, 2008, 07:49:00 AM
Female bodied, which is kind of unfortunate but hey, that's life. ::)
I'm not going to go through any of the expensive and painful stuff to change it though, I can cope with it as it is.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: polymorph on March 10, 2008, 06:48:45 AM
i guess i'm the lucky one here... slightly intersexed (i've got female hips and waist, teensy boobs, and my face confuses most people  ;D)

mostly male though, so i'm still going with HRT in the near future.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 10, 2008, 07:54:19 AM
Quote from: polymorph on March 10, 2008, 06:48:45 AM
i guess i'm the lucky one here... slightly intersexed (i've got female hips and waist, teensy boobs, and my face confuses most people  ;D)

mostly male though, so i'm still going with HRT in the near future.
damn!  you are lucky.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Simone Louise on March 10, 2008, 09:42:08 AM
Quote from: Rebis on March 10, 2008, 07:54:19 AM
Quote from: polymorph on March 10, 2008, 06:48:45 AM
i guess i'm the lucky one here... slightly intersexed (i've got female hips and waist, teensy boobs, and my face confuses most people  ;D)

mostly male though, so i'm still going with HRT in the near future.
damn!  you are lucky.

As Freud said, male-bodied people are born with boob-envy.  :D

Simone
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Jaimey on March 11, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 10, 2008, 09:42:08 AM

As Freud said, male-bodied people are born with boob-envy.  :D

Simone

Why is that?  I've never found them to be all that fantastic...especially when I played cymbals...that's terrifying.  One wrong move and  :icon_yikes: :icon_censored:, usually in that order.  Thank god mine are small...*shudder*  I've heard horror stories...
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: sd on March 11, 2008, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 10, 2008, 09:42:08 AM
As Freud said, male-bodied people are born with boob-envy.  :D

Yes, but Freud was a freak.

It is like letting the loons in the sanitarium dictate what is normal.
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Simone Louise on March 11, 2008, 08:59:09 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on March 11, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 10, 2008, 09:42:08 AM

As Freud said, male-bodied people are born with boob-envy.  :D

Simone

Why is that?  I've never found them to be all that fantastic...especially when I played cymbals...that's terrifying.  One wrong move and  :icon_yikes: :icon_censored:, usually in that order.  Thank god mine are small...*shudder*  I've heard horror stories...

I don't know why. Well-endowed women tell me they get in the way. They're susceptible to cancer. I don't have a clue how I would present with b-size or larger. On the other hand, the almost invisible ones I got from 6 months of finasteride are quite sensitive to caresses. They balance the other appendage (which is painful, too, if caught by cymbals or hit by a ball).

I'm not a rational person. Ideas come to me, and I have to backtrack to figure out why and how. When I was a computer programmer, I couldn't diagram the program in advance or estimate how long it would take. I just had to follow each inspiration and intuition as it came. And I want small breasts, and some of the other hormonal effects without knowing why.

Simone
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Seshatneferw on March 12, 2008, 05:47:33 AM
Why? Because they feel right. I couldn't have answered this one a year ago, though.

I'm not especially fond of bumping into something (although frankly I like bumping the male hurt-like-hell organ even less), and I've never had a wish to have anything nearly as big and unwieldy as seen in 'literature' of a certain 'mature' genre. Still, I prefer what little I've grown over the past half-year or so over the phantom ones I had before. The real feeling resembles the phantom one so much that I'm quite convinced that GID is related to brain structure, not just something psychologically weird.

  Nfr
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: trippedwire on March 12, 2008, 03:04:41 PM
i am female-bodied. 
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Jaimey on March 12, 2008, 07:09:16 PM
Hmm.  This is interesting.  I was quite unhappy when mine started to grow.  But I always wanted to be a boy, so that probably had a lot to do with it.  It's interesting how differently bodied androgynes want to change their bodies differently.

...and they do get in the way.  ;)  They're no fun if you're running/jumping and bras are uncomfortable.  *sigh*  It's a shame we can't just wave a magic wand...
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Simone Louise on March 12, 2008, 09:03:02 PM
In the middle of the night, last night, I was thinking about your question, Jaimey, as I stared into the bathroom mirror. Earlier, searching for medical information, I was distracted and followed a link to learn the "11 'don't-tell-the-wife' secrets all men keep". Having read all 11, I decided once more that I am not part of the set of creatures called men, i.e., those were not my secrets or even my concerns.

Then it came to me that those things on my chest were concrete manifestations of who I feel myself to be inside. Not quite concrete, they are soft, squishy, and, to my eye, cute. Granted I've decided not to transition, and I have little desire to cross dress. But my body made these (with the help of finasteride) battling odds of 200 to 1. They don't do a lot of bouncing, yet, nor is a bra required or useful. I'll face that bridge when and if the time comes. I not terribly concerned that my shirt hides them; when I take the shirt off, I know it's me. And as Nfr wrote, they feel right.

And I know what you are saying about body changes, though from the other direction. I remember telling a friend, when I was six, that I wished boys' voices didn't have to change. Shaving had no attraction for me, and I stopped it as soon as I could. Oh, and while you're waving the wand, you are welcome to what's left of my prostate

As I wrote, my best friend is as perplexed about these things as you, but so far willing to put up with me for my other not-standard-issue-male qualities.

BTW, welcome trippedwire. What do you want to be when you grow up?

Simone


Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: NickSister on March 12, 2008, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 12, 2008, 05:47:33 AM
Still, I prefer what little I've grown over the past half-year or so over the phantom ones I had before. The real feeling resembles the phantom one so much that I'm quite convinced that GID is related to brain structure, not just something psychologically weird.

Have we chatted about this before? I really believe there is something to the idea that our brains are wired for a certain body and is expecting signals from 'phantom parts'. I feel like I have phantom breasts and curves. I ache just thinking about it.





Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Seshatneferw on March 13, 2008, 06:24:13 AM
Yes, the topic has come up every now and then, both on the Androgyne forum and elsewhere (I think the first one I noticed was a phantom penis thread on the FtM forum). And it's not just you and me; there have been so many reports of this that I cannot escape believing the idea that it's somehow hard-wired (interestingly enough, for body parts that only start to grow during puberty as well as ones that are there at birth).

  Nfr
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: NickSister on March 14, 2008, 02:15:01 AM
Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 13, 2008, 06:24:13 AM
(interestingly enough, for body parts that only start to grow during puberty as well as ones that are there at birth).

mm, perhaps it is all just psychosomatic?
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Seshatneferw on March 14, 2008, 03:34:39 AM
I used to think it was psychosomatic, or just plain psychic, but now that the silly things have started to grow they do in fact feel like I thought they should. I also seem to remember some of the MtF's saying they noticed this effect after starting HRT. But, well, who knows.

  Nfr
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: Jaimey on March 14, 2008, 07:29:04 PM
So my friend and I were talking about what we would do if we won the lottery and I continued to think about it when I got home and I started watching "Big Medicine."  When these people lose their weight, they often have to have plastic surgery to remove excess skin and sometimes women get breast implants and things to make themselves look they way they want.  ...So I started thinking about that...and thinking and thinking and I had my first real feeling of body dysphoria and I realize that I really do want to change my body.  I first thought that if I had that kind of money, I'd have a lap band or something (I don't think I'd qualify for gastric bypass...not sure about the weight guidelines and all that...).  Then I thought, well, if I had the excess skin issue that people have, while they were at it I could have them make my breasts really small, at least to the point that I wouldn't have to wear a bra, almost flat chested.  And then I thought some more about how I'd like my face to be less feminine and that I could have plastic surgery to make my face more androgynous.  *sigh*  I'd never even considered changing my looks possible, so I tricked myself into thinking that I'm fine with my body, but in truth, I really don't like my feminine features.  I want to look like a boy.  I don't have any desire to take horomones, but I would just like to look more androgynous and to be honest, male. 

I really wish there were a magic wand...
Title: Re: Androgynees - Are You Male or Female Bodied?
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 14, 2008, 07:53:02 PM

     Yeah, once you see one of those shows and you realize what is possible, it makes the feeling worse.   I like to pretend that all the modern things don't exist.  I can't spend money on my looks.  Maybe if I won the lottery, but I can't think that way all the time.