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I was sharing some of the poll results with a colleague at school.  She asked what the education ranges was for the community here, and I didn't know.  So...! 

This is for the highest level of education you have completed or are presently working on.

Chaunte

A second Master's.

N~

I have a PhD and an MBA

Buffy

doing a masters, I will only have a PHD when they give me one for free.

I was kicked out of HS wrongly finals week durring senior year...

It took a while to come up with both the time and money and ended up getting my GED

PS: Its former govener G.W. Bushes fault I was kicked out of HS and banned from the district....  He tends to pass overreaction laws... which have little actual benifit to the people hes governing.

No wonder we like talking, we're an overeducated lot in this forum HEHE.

Got an undergraduate degree in engineering, plus 2 years undergraduate (but didn't finish) in physics, one master in business and another in PR.

18 or 21 hours after this semester to get mine my Bachelors. Which will be 3 more semesters going half-time. That if I decide to continue going to college.

Anna

I'm gonna get my PHD.

But I dropped out of highschool.  I never quite recovered from transitioning in the middle of the school year, even when I got put off my therapy.

i'll be damned.  i don't have enough fingers and toes to count my PhD's ::)

i have a master's

Just a single, solitary Computer Science Bachelors for me. Though I'm hoping to go back and do a Psychology degree next year, assuming I can work out the financial angles.

How about a "trade school or some college" option?

Thinking about going back to get a degree if I can get motivated and figure out what to go for (I am happy with my career).

Quote from: sd on February 27, 2008, 02:57:11 AM
How about a "trade school or some college" option?

Trade school added.

Quote from: Keira on February 26, 2008, 10:41:39 PM

No wonder we like talking, we're an overeducated lot in this forum HEHE.

BS in Earth Sciece / Meteorology - Chem minor, MS in Imaging Science.  Permanent NYS teaching certificate.  Thinking about going for a 2nd masters, this time in Geoscience education through Mississippi State.  (They have a fantastic distance learning program in this!)  Even toying with the idea of earning a PhD, but I haven't found a local program that excites me yet.  (It needs to be a technical PhD - one where I can do real science and real research.)

Chaunte

Quote from: Keira on February 26, 2008, 10:41:39 PM

No wonder we like talking, we're an overeducated lot in this forum HEHE.

Got an undergraduate degree in engineering, plus 2 years undergraduate (but didn't finish) in physics, one master in business and another in PR.

Too bad! The first two years of physics are pretty awful. I almost quit, but stuck around and now I love it.

IHTFP!

I have a complete set of college degrees, B.S. in physics from a private university, Masters in American History, and Ph.D. in the History of Technology and Science from a public land-grant university.  I also went through a traditional craft union's apprenticeship program in carpentry, audio design, electrics and lighting, and static (but not dynamic) rigging.  So, I've done both.  I also a years worth of training in secretarial school because my mom thought it would help me in college (she was right), and did a welding program in a community college because I like stuff like that, and some time at the National Executive Institute because my job at the time demanded it.




P.S.  Static rigging is hanging sound systems, lighting truss and that kind of stuff, dynamic rigging is what they do in Cirque du Soleil, which amazes me, rigging for a human body in motion is a whole different world than a dead hang - no matter the weight.

Yo Nero, what's your education and what's it in?

I WANNA KNOW.

I finished high school in 3 years by increasing my course load each year, I had no desire to stretch it out for the usual 4 years. School was absolute torture... nobody liked me, and I didn't want to be there. I often read the entire reading list for classes during the first few weeks, and was then bored for the duration of the year.

After HS, I decided to take some time off to work and travel before going to college... and other than a couple of courses, never continued. I'm an avid reader though, and have intensively studied subjects that interest me.

Z

I dropped out of high school and went on when I got older to get a Bachelor of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering Technology.  My liberal arts concentration was in literature.

I still read as much as I can find time and energy for.  Now that I'm unemployed, I might have the option of returning to school for a Masters degree but I'd have trouble choosing something I'd like that is near enough to home to attend.  Business Administration doesn't attract me in the least.  :P

hugs & smiles
Emelye

Quote from: Chaunte on February 27, 2008, 08:08:27 PM
Trade school added.

Thanks

Quote from: Zythyra on February 28, 2008, 11:40:36 AM
I finished high school in 3 years by increasing my course load each year, I had no desire to stretch it out for the usual 4 years. School was absolute torture... nobody liked me, and I didn't want to be there. I often read the entire reading list for classes during the first few weeks, and was then bored for the duration of the year.

After HS, I decided to take some time off to work and travel before going to college... and other than a couple of courses, never continued. I'm an avid reader though, and have intensively studied subjects that interest me.

Z

This sounds a lot like me (other than the 3 year part), I thought HS was dreadful. It took me years before I could go back for any sort of schooling, I just couldn't do it.  I did not want to be there, I felt like I did not fit in, and I was bored to tears. Like you I was always reading and learning on my own, I love learning, I just hated the school environment.

I have a HS education. I did finish a 35 year program which they will pay me for the rest of my life. Now, I'm on my second program and in 3 years will have another pension, which will pay me for the rest of my life. On my first program, after 2 years of working on the job they gave me a BS degree. That doesn't mean Bachelor of Science either.
Sheila

I voted; however, I am not sure if my vote is valid under the category I voted for since I don't have a PhD and I can't prescribe medication like a medical doctor does.

tink :icon_chick:

With 21 votes in as I write this, I find it comforting that we cut a pretty even swath in regards to education.  It is what I expected when I started this poll, but I like hard data.

Chaunte

Okay Chaunte.  Thank you for the PM.  I guess I'll leave my vote as it is then.

tink :icon_chick:

I have a bajillion years of school left, so that always makes voting hard. . . But working on my BA *currently*

I dropped out of university, a bit more than 2 years into my Bachelor of Arts (Philosophy / English Lit) degree.

I'll go back to finish it one day - but its no rush, I mean I have a job that pays much better now than anything I would have been able to get using my degree :).

Megan

B.A.

I have a Master of Science degree

Here in Switzerland, the Masters program is divided into two branches, Master of Engineering which orients the students towards the working world and a Master of Science which orients the students towards research.  I have both. 

I have a BA in Economics from back in the 80s.  I've just started a Master of Social Work program with a clinical emphasis.  My goal is an LCSW designation.

i have flunked out of everything so far. it's what all the cool kids were doing {^_^}

Okay, Chaunte....you're running 65.6% with a BS/BA or higher.  Whattcha gonna do with these data??

Oh yes, my antique degree: biology.....estuarine, aquatic, environmental........love the outdoors, but been a microscope slave too.

Bev

Quote from: Beverly on March 03, 2008, 09:29:23 PM
Okay, Chaunte....you're running 65.6% with a BS/BA or higher.  Whattcha gonna do with these data??

Oh yes, my antique degree: biology.....estuarine, aquatic, environmental........love the outdoors, but been a microscope slave too.

Bev

Good question.

First was to answer this colleague's question.

More importantly, I am including some of the poll data in my transition book.  The purpose of including these data is simple - to show that we are just like everyone else.  We go to school.  We work a trade and have professions.  We serve our country.

We are the neighbor next door.

The more we can show that we are "normal," the more acceptable we will become.

Chaunte

I don't see how haveing some kind of a degree makes you normal. We are just like others, there is no difference. We are in all economic, ethnic, religious and anyother group that you can think of. We are not all smart and very intelligent, some are average and some are below average. I would imagine there are some who are in the mentally challenged group. We are people.
Sheila

We are people, but those "people"
don't all post here in this group.
I'd wager that its amongst most educated on average
who post on the internet in this group.

I've seen other boards and live meetings
with shall we say the less
obviously educated and with very different backgrounds
and  the difference is kinda striking
in language and outlook.

The whole ducks or a feather stick together
is very true. Someone who registers and
then reads for awhile before posting
and sees that its not their kind of group
won't post. I'm sure there are plenty of those.

I graduated HS a semester early to get out of there.  Later that year I attended Wyotech in Laramie WY.  I received my diploma in Custom autobody and metal fabrication,  fun stuff actually.  After working for a few years I have decided to get into health care.  I have to take a few more classes this fall so I can apply to our two year RN program here.  I will have my associates degree after that and I will eventually do a bridge program to a BS.

Audrey

Quote from: Sheila on March 04, 2008, 10:05:55 PM
I don't see how haveing some kind of a degree makes you normal. We are just like others, there is no difference. We are in all economic, ethnic, religious and anyother group that you can think of. We are not all smart and very intelligent, some are average and some are below average. I would imagine there are some who are in the mentally challenged group. We are people.
Sheila

Exactly my point, Sheila. 

Being transgendered is NOT a case of education, or social status, or any other such ranking.  Quite the opposite.  Not only are we like the person next door, we ARE the person next door. 

I believe that this is an important concept that far too many people may not understand.  This is one more piece of information to help make the transgendered community less frightening to those who haven't a clue what we are all about.  And the fewer fears there are about us, the more accepting the world will be of us.

We cut a wide swath through the world, just like every other group.  And THAT is what makes us "normal."

Chaunte

Quote from: Annwyn on February 28, 2008, 09:13:04 AM
Yo Nero, what's your education and what's it in?

I WANNA KNOW.

Hahaha Just saw this, babygirl. Well since you asked nicely - Zip, zilch, nada, niente.

My formal education amounts to a fifth grader's.  After 5th grade, it was all downhill here from there. Became a holy terror. Kept being removed from school. Was finally declared at 14 unfit to be around other kids and had to be tutored. I defied her and only studied what I felt like studying. So basically no formal education past 10 years old. At 18, I went in for my GED (graduation equivalency diploma).
Passed with no preparation, so apparently those 5 years of elementary school were all I really needed.

I've taken a few college courses here and there for the hell of it, not towards a degree or anything. I've a paralyzing fear of classrooms, so not up to more than that.

So yeah, when you peeps start talking math or science, it's all way over my head.  :laugh:

What staid company, I guess I don't quite fit in, it's just you and me Nero :)  I didn't finish high school, and the only diploma that I have managed to garner is one in Common Sense.  My counting is pretty good though, c'ept that I have to take my socks off to count past 10. :D

Steph

Sreph,
   You have a degree in CS-common sense. Now put those letter behind your name. I put BS, but it didn't come from any school.
Sheila

Interesting, this whole education thingie, but here's another thought:  Are we different from the general population in intelligence?  That's something that cannot be measured by earned degrees.  What I've seen is, we are 2 standard deviations higher in intelligence than the general population.  And that, is a positive, advantageous trait in nature's purposely diverse scheme (to knit a few threads on this forum together).

I know this.....I'm a standard deviant  >:D


Bev

Quote from: Beverly on March 12, 2008, 08:14:27 AM
Interesting, this whole education thingie, but here's another thought:  Are we different from the general population in intelligence?  That's something that cannot be measured by earned degrees.  What I've seen is, we are 2 standard deviations higher in intelligence than the general population.  And that, is a positive, advantageous trait in nature's purposely diverse scheme (to knit a few threads on this forum together).

I know this.....I'm a standard deviant  >:D


Bev

Well, I've got a bit of a theory there ... (don't I always?!)

People are usually either right or left-brain dominant right? And also, there's the whole mail brain/female brain thing, where guys are supposedly better with spacial stuff, where-as girls are generally better with words and stuff, for example.

Here's the key though: I read somewhere once that a big determiner of intelligence has to do with how much the functionality of your right brain is integrated with that of your left. With us straddling the gender divide to a greater or lesser extent, it makes sense to me that we would generally exhibit a higher level of that kind of integration.

As I say, just a thumbsuck theory though, but criticism is always welcome!

Quote from: lady amarant on March 12, 2008, 08:28:47 AM

Well, I've got a bit of a theory there ... (don't I always?!)

...... it makes sense to me that we would generally exhibit a higher level of that kind of integration.

.......As I say, just a thumbsuck theory though, but criticism is always welcome!

I didn't want to incorporate too many notions in a single post, so I didn't add there, that greater use of both sides of the brain was the hypothesis for greater intelligence, or problem solving ability.  So, I wouldn't call it a 'thumbsuck' theory. Give yourself credit for being quick enough to pick it up.  After all, you are 2 standard deviations higher......


lol
Bev

2 Standard Deviations ... hell, no wonder the fundies dislike us sooooo very much. Most things they dislike only rank one deviation.  ;D

Sixteen years after I started working in the IT field, I finally got my Associate's degree.

I'm still not sure what I want to pursue for my bachelor's and master's. I know that I want to write, but working as a gender therapist seems like a good idea, too. I might be able to lend assistance to others in my situation.

But then again, that might be too close to me and I might not be impartial enough to make a good therapist.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 12, 2008, 09:58:02 AM
Sixteen years after I started working in the IT field, I finally got my Associate's degree.

I'm still not sure what I want to pursue for my bachelor's and master's. I know that I want to write, but working as a gender therapist seems like a good idea, too. I might be able to lend assistance to others in my situation.

But then again, that might be too close to me and I might not be impartial enough to make a good therapist.

Oh, I think most of us would do a damned sight better than many mental-health professionals do these days.

Quote from: lady amarant on March 12, 2008, 10:19:44 AM

Oh, I think most of us would do a damned sight better than many mental-health professionals do these days.

No other person could understand as well.

Its not as much about understanding as it is about being an observer without an axe to grind.

Quote from: tekla on March 12, 2008, 11:04:03 PM
Its not as much about understanding as it is about being an observer without an axe to grind.

I guess I've known too many ineffectual therapists.   I've seen more help come out of understanding than observation. 

If that was true, then only men could treat men, and only women could treat women, and teenagers would need a teenage doctor.

I have a BA in Electrical Engineering.  I think that I'm the only one in the world stupid enough to take the extra credits to get one ;)
I also have an MBA.

I'm still working on my degree in Common Sense... it's a life long pursuit for me.  I hope some day to get it.

Cindi

Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 12, 2008, 11:27:07 PM
I have a BA in Electrical Engineering.  I think that I'm the only one in the world stupid enough to take the extra credits to get one ;)
I also have an MBA.

I'm still working on my degree in Common Sense... it's a life long pursuit for me.  I hope some day to get it.

Cindi

a BA in Electrical Engineering? i thought they gave a Bachelor of Science for that.

i have a BA i journalism.

-ellie

Quote from: tekla on March 12, 2008, 11:18:50 PM
If that was true, then only men could treat men, and only women could treat women, and teenagers would need a teenage doctor.

.....we each have our different opinion.  My opinion is, no other person could understand as well as one who has been through the experience.  Do you know anyone who is not TS that has the level of understanding of living life as a transsexual, or a transitioned woman or man? 
And to make a point, no one said "only"

Quote from: ell on March 13, 2008, 01:01:50 AM

a BA in Electrical Engineering? i thought they gave a Bachelor of Science for that.

i have a BA i journalism.

-ellie

They do.... however.... if you fulfill all the requirements for the BS and take two additional years of a foreign language and some extra hours in literature, history, and the arts, you can upgrade it from a BS to a BA.  That's what I mean by I was really stupid to get it.  I thought that it would be a feather in my cap.  Instead, I've spent my whole career explaining just what it is.  I know that I've lost many opportunities for job interviews as well because they are looking for BSEE and a BAEE "just doesn't cut it".  No one knows what it is.  I think that I am the only person in the whole world who has one.  I'm pretty sure that I'm the only trans person in the world to have one!

Cindi

Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 13, 2008, 11:57:50 PM
I thought that it would be a feather in my cap.  Instead, I've spent my whole career explaining just what it is. 

Cindi

......I saw a feather........I'm sure you have a feather in your cap, Cindi


Bev

Quote from: Beverly on March 12, 2008, 08:14:27 AM
Interesting, this whole education thingie, but here's another thought:  Are we different from the general population in intelligence?  That's something that cannot be measured by earned degrees.  What I've seen is, we are 2 standard deviations higher in intelligence than the general population.  And that, is a positive, advantageous trait in nature's purposely diverse scheme (to knit a few threads on this forum together).

I know this.....I'm a standard deviant  >:D


Bev

Bev,

What a wonderful posting!  What is it the Wizard said to the scarecrow? - "I can't give you brains, but I can give you a degree."

I readily agree that the men and women who post here are very intelligent, regardless of what sheepskin they might have hanging on their wall.  This is one of the reasons I like posting here - some of the most intelligent, thoughtful, loving and caring people I have ever known are right here.

Chaunte

Quote from: Chaunte on March 15, 2008, 08:30:50 AM
What is it the Wizard said to the scarecrow? - "I can't give you brains, but I can give you a degree."

Chaunte

he said you don't need a brain. what you need is a diploma.

Quote from: ell on March 15, 2008, 11:15:57 AM

Quote from: Chaunte on March 15, 2008, 08:30:50 AM
What is it the Wizard said to the scarecrow? - "I can't give you brains, but I can give you a degree."

Chaunte

he said you don't need a brain. what you need is a diploma.

.....But didn't the Wizard mean , that society places more value on symbols of intelligence than intelligent people?

Quote from: Beverly on March 15, 2008, 05:00:03 PM
.....But didn't the Wizard mean , that society places more value on symbols of intelligence than intelligent people?

Well if he didn't, he sure should've, 'cause it is soooooo very true.

Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 13, 2008, 11:57:50 PMInstead, I've spent my whole career explaining just what it is.  I know that I've lost many opportunities for job interviews as well because they are looking for BSEE and a BAEE "just doesn't cut it".  No one knows what it is.  I think that I am the only person in the whole world who has one.  I'm pretty sure that I'm the only trans person in the world to have one!

I can relate. I got a BA in Geology. I think it was because I didn't take enough math or something. And then I never worked a day in geology or anything remotely connectible to that degree. Spent years of unemployment with it. Hey Cindy, I guess I share employment woes similar to yours!

MLS (master's in Library Science). At least that one amounted to something.

I think I've got the most versatility here :-).

Physics, 1 year shy of a degree (but the bachelors in physics degree is basically useless by itself and I would have wound up having to do a doctorate to get anywhere, that's why I switched to engineering).
Computer engineering BSCE (and electrical, since I actually did enough credit for both and there's only 1 years worth of course difference between the two (at least when I got it in the early 90's)).
Graduate Degree in Management
Graduate Certificate in Public relations

All those degrees are quite dissimilar.

The first two have a huge amount of math, while the last one has not one inkling of math.
Physics is all math basically and computer engineering and EE is based 85% on pure math or the use of maths and logics. The rest has do to with management of various kind.
Management, mostly stats, little maths, much analysis and understanding various operation concerns.
Public relations has communications, events management, media relations, etc.

I clicked on Associas, not sure if that was right. I have done GCSE at hight school and then went on to college to do higher education. Ive all-ways been a hands on girl and more interested in on the job training.

Quote from: tekla on March 12, 2008, 11:18:50 PM
If that was true, then only men could treat men, and only women could treat women, and teenagers would need a teenage doctor.

and, um, witches would have to go to witchdoctors.

-Ellie

BS in Biological Sciences, MS in Biology (genetics).  Did my thesis work in population genetics of invasive species (fishes). 

I am currently working on my Associate's degree. (next year will be my sophomore year.)

I don't know how far I'll go, but I at least plan to get my Bachelor's degree.

So far, I have achieved a BS plus an LPN.