Helllo Everyone
I have been on hrt for two months now and I am wondering what kind of changes I should have with my brain, ie thinking. I haven't really noticed any major changes, except being more emotional, somewhat calmer. I think partly that is due to my current occupation being an over the road truck driver. I can't really act or think feminely and be safe, which really sucks, but hopefully will be getting off the road very soon, so I can continue transition. I am not sure what changes are supposed to have happened by now, Is it possible due to my occupation that I am fighting the changes in my mind to not transition to quickly while being out here on the road.
I would love to hear from everyone on this and what they have experienced and whether I need to be worried that hrt is not affecting the way it should. I mean physically I already have some affects, ie breast development, thinner skin, thicker hair. I just worried about the mental part, i know I am ts and that I am doing what I need to become my trueself.
I guess what started me thinking about this was I read a post earlier and it said that if hrt wasn't affecting your brain, the way you think in obvious ways then maybe you aren't a transsexual and that scared me. I am just being paranoid or is there something to that?
Please any responses would be greatly appreciated
Hugz,
Ariana
Some people says HRT changes them mentally, but I don't think that happens for everyone.
I have the same interests, same hobbys, likes and dislikes, what would you consider a mental change? Yeah I haven't been on HRT long, but like maybe people just think they change mentally because they open themselves up even more than they were before? I mean, locking everything up inside you can put a toll on you. . . so would those who pursue different interests having a mental change or an ability to pursue something new without fear of being discriminated?
I live rhetorical questions even though I never answer the questions that people ask :P
Sorry Ariana for not really answering the question but I figured eh it's sorta a reply.
I guess what started me thinking about this was I read a post earlier and it said that if hrt wasn't affecting your brain, the way you think in obvious ways then maybe you aren't a transsexual and that scared me. I am just being paranoid or is there something to that?
I wouldn't stress about it. If you feel comfortable with the changes than that is what works for u.
Audrey
Hi Ariana
I quite agree with the other girls, don't fight it, just go with the flow. As far as psychological goes, you will find some changes in the pattern of how you think and process thoughts and observations with noticable changes will be a very subtle changes, nearly noticeable but eventually it will come to your conscious mind. Like how you use to perceived certain things before transitioning you will see under a different light after a few months on HRT.
Ah yes, the emotions, it is the emotions that will be most noticeable at first, followed closely in second place are the breasts then to other parts of your body. The tissue around the nipples of your breasts will feel really sensitive to the touch, feels some like when you have bruised tissue. You will not feel much changes in the first 2 months on HRT and yes you may have some emotional moments sometimes for positive reasons other times for negative reasons and for no apparent reason at times
As for hobbies, well I love writing fantasy stories and I love working with people, I am also an artist and I am a Wiccan and Empath and participate with other groups here that are into these practices. I use to have some male hobbies like a wood work shop, and a machine shop. But as I moved about all over half of eastern US and Canada. I pretty well left my tools of the trade behind me here and there as I moved about.
As to how long it will take for noticeable reaction to HRT depends on age if you are young you will find some noticeable changes within 6 moths, if older then it could be anywhere between 4 to 5 years. I have been full time for 7 years and started HRT 8 years ago ad I am still finding some changes happening in my body, like such as the the legs butt and hips. I am 62 years old. So embrace she who resides within, you may draw your strength and your power from her if you wish to.
I don't really know as to how far you are into transition before you started HRT. Just let other women around you teach you, "pay attention," "observe," and they will not even realise it, but they will be your teachers. Observe, study then touch your own inner-self and feel her. Anyway that was the way I did it and I am also quite sufficiently aware that human nature for each individual one of us to observe and perceive things differently. These are only suggestions from my own experience as to how I worked it for me but again I will say that my concept may not necessarily work the same way for another.
Cindy
mentally hormones have made me calmer, emotionally and how i act/think. in terms of what hobbies or etc i like, its till them same. mental changes were slow, subtle and not very much overall. I am 100% confident that they are right for me though and i dont care who said or implied -> ""if hrt wasn't affecting your brain, the way you think in obvious ways then maybe you aren't a transsexual "" needs a smack {-_-}
The thought process does change but again it may vary as to how profound from one person and another. It is known that HRT will take effect quite readily for one person but hardly will be of little benefit for another. I have been on hormones for 8 years and didn't notice much change except for body. It hasn't been since the last couple of years that I became aware of how my thought processes changed. I wish I could explain the difference and I can't don't have words for it but I will say I enjoy and love all of the changes I have experienced.
Cindy
Quote from: Renate on February 29, 2008, 03:30:26 AM
If someone starting out on HRT was freaking out on the physical/sexual changes, then probably HRT was not for them.
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Renate
I disagree with you. I can't go full time on the job I have. And won't be able to transition on my job. There should be concerns like this because how can you transition without a job? I will start this year but I need to think about what type of job i want to do and have enough money to transition on. I want the the changes but will i be able to hold a job is my biggest fear.
Hi Kimberly Kilpatrick
I will say that you have certainly a justified fear in loosing your job. Unless one has already have a good solid job and the company is TS friendly, I will pray that yours is. ave you done any research to see if they do?
Now for the person who is in transition and have not yet secured a solid employment that is TS friendly then they could very well end up looking for work as McDonald's. I was lucky when I came out on my job I continued to work at that job for 8 years and 7 year full time.
Unless someone is coming out of college with some type of degree and some type of trade they may have a hard time of it getting a job.
When you go for a job interviews unless you are a very passable TS the employer doesn't have to hire you. They could always say the person behind you was more qualified. It's a real catch 22 I am thankful that Wing Walker and I both have a fairly good disability pension coming in every month
Cindy
If HRT made your style of thinking feminine, then wouldn't that mean it was male before hand? Wouldn't that then mean you aren't eligable for hormone therapy in the first place?
After all, isn't transsexualism most commonly summed up as, "trapped in the opposite sex's body?" Ie: identifying and thinking as one of the opposite sex that one was born into.
Quote from: Annwyn on February 29, 2008, 07:20:00 AM
If HRT made your style of thinking feminine, then wouldn't that mean it was male before hand? Wouldn't that then mean you aren't eligable for hormone therapy in the first place?
After all, isn't transsexualism most commonly summed up as, "trapped in the opposite sex's body?" Ie: identifying and thinking as one of the opposite sex that one was born into.
You make a valid point Annwyn, but the sex horomones of the body you are born into do affect your brain and thought patterns. You might know yourself to be female and still find your T-influenced brain thinking about sex every 5 seconds, with you hating every second of it. Keep in mind that much of what we regard as "free will" and independant thought is actually instinct designed to maximise our chances at personal survival and procreation. One of the main goals in practices like meditation and the like is to recognise this and separate your 'essential self' from your instinct driven ego.
I found this the most disconcerting thing when I hit puberty - the physical changes were unwelcome enough, but the mental changes were HORRIBLE, and played the dominant role in driving me to study the paranormal, get into meditative martial arts and take up meditation and the like. Those things helped, and switching to vegan helped as well, but the greatest relief for me was when I started taking anti-androgens about 9 months ago. The absolute freedom of having those drives and instincts lifted away or just fading gradually was a revelation.
So at this point I'm ready to start full HRT within the week, and really, if I had to say what I'm looking forward to head and shoulders above anything else, it's the mental changes.
Quote from: Annwyn on February 29, 2008, 07:20:00 AM
If HRT made your style of thinking feminine, then wouldn't that mean it was male before hand? Wouldn't that then mean you aren't eligable for hormone therapy in the first place?
After all, isn't transsexualism most commonly summed up as, "trapped in the opposite sex's body?" Ie: identifying and thinking as one of the opposite sex that one was born into.
Gotta hate those catch 22s.
Quote from: lady amarant on February 29, 2008, 08:29:12 AM
Quote from: Annwyn on February 29, 2008, 07:20:00 AM
If HRT made your style of thinking feminine, then wouldn't that mean it was male before hand? Wouldn't that then mean you aren't eligable for hormone therapy in the first place?
After all, isn't transsexualism most commonly summed up as, "trapped in the opposite sex's body?" Ie: identifying and thinking as one of the opposite sex that one was born into.
You make a valid point Annwyn, but the sex horomones of the body you are born into do affect your brain and thought patterns. You might know yourself to be female and still find your T-influenced brain thinking about sex every 5 seconds, with you hating every second of it. Keep in mind that much of what we regard as "free will" and independant thought is actually instinct designed to maximise our chances at personal survival and procreation. One of the main goals in practices like meditation and the like is to recognise this and separate your 'essential self' from your instinct driven ego.
I found this the most disconcerting thing when I hit puberty - the physical changes were unwelcome enough, but the mental changes were HORRIBLE, and played the dominant role in driving me to study the paranormal, get into meditative martial arts and take up meditation and the like. Those things helped, and switching to vegan helped as well, but the greatest relief for me was when I started taking anti-androgens about 9 months ago. The absolute freedom of having those drives and instincts lifted away or just fading gradually was a revelation.
So at this point I'm ready to start full HRT within the week, and really, if I had to say what I'm looking forward to head and shoulders above anything else, it's the mental changes.
I remember those paranormal adventures and angst. Not vegan... But I connect. I hated puberty as well.
Quote from: cindybc on February 29, 2008, 06:26:14 AM
Hi Kimberly Kilpatrick
I will say that you have certainly a justified fear in loosing your job. Unless one has already have a good solid job and the company is TS friendly, I will pray that yours is. ave you done any research to see if they do?
Cindy
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I am happier that I found my Company on this list. :) But I still have the issue of endurance. I am not saying women can't do this job but I have have a hard time doing it now. I couldn't imagine with the less muscles. Maybe go from Lawncare to cleaning houses?
Hi Kimberly Kilpatrick
Physically yes after 8 years on HRT I will admit the the upper body muscle mass has certainly deminished. but then I never really had much to start with I am only 5'3" tall and weigh only 125 lbs so there wasn't all that much muscles there to start with. But that has not deterred me from swinging a snow shovel or shoveling dirt in the back quarter acre garden I had behind the apartment. I am still in good shape physically just I got some of the physical stuff my body has been reorganising to much more attractive areas of my body. Well except for when it comes to opening some containers like jars and such I go to Wing Walker to open them for me. By the way I love my jar opening mate. ;D
As for the mental part I have become more aware of whats going on around me, and being touched emotionally at deeper depths then I can ever recall having before. I mean it has been like all my senses have all been greatly stimulated and or sensitised to a much higher level of awareness then ever before. As for being nurturing towards children well as I mentioned before in one of these threads I have had 11 children pass under my roof through the years, a child lover? you wanna bet. And that is not counting all the children I changed diapers for when use to baby sit on the res for their mama's on Bingo night The sixth sens works quite well for me on an instinctive or intuitive level.
But then I have been an empath since as far back as I can remember so it maybe that it is one enhancing the other, like combination of the hormones and empathic sensitivities. This Hobbit's main drive in mainly how I can best serve the less fortunate, except this time it will be with my own sister and brother Trans folks. I love who I am and wouldn't want it to be anything else then who I am.
Cindy
Ariana. after 9 1/2 years on estrogen and almost 8 years postop, I find my 'brain' differences primarily a greater willingness to listen, a greater disposition toward helping others (why else would I spend 2 hours most everyday in Chat waiting for someone to ask for help?), and a greater willingness to ask for help. I still enjoy the same hobbies, can still parallel park, have the same focus and the same analytic abilities.
SO, IMHO, the changes are nuanced. You aren't going to wake up one day and find yourself a stranger.
What changes in 2 months? So far, I would guess tenderness in your breasts. An ability and a propensity to tear up over movies and songs, etc. And some peace of mind.
Robyn
PS. I hope your interview went fine today.
Quote from: Robyn on February 29, 2008, 04:53:21 PM
Ariana. after 9 1/2 years on estrogen and almost 8 years postop, I find my 'brain' differences primarily a greater willingness to listen, a greater disposition toward helping others (why else would I spend 2 hours most everyday in Chat waiting for someone to ask for help?), and a greater willingness to ask for help. I still enjoy the same hobbies, can still parallel park, have the same focus and the same analytic abilities.
SO, IMHO, the changes are nuanced. You aren't going to wake up one day and find yourself a stranger.
What changes in 2 months? So far, I would guess tenderness in your breasts. An ability and a propensity to tear up over movies and songs, etc. And some peace of mind.
Robyn
PS. I hope your interview went fine today.
Pfsh!
I still don't cry!!! I'm hardcore like that!
::)
Lady A, how very astute of you.
Since I've been on hormone therapy, not thinking of sex sex sex all the time has been a breath of fresh air I've never really known. I've been able to refocus my relationships into closer friendships and enjoy the company of other people without those nasty thoughts in my head that all males end up with.
But really, other than that I'm the same, maybe a bit less agressive. I wouldn't call that from the hormones, but simply from the realization I don't have to defend my machoness or whatever anymore.
Thanks everyone for the kind and encouraging words. I feel much better now about where I am at. Yes I am more emotional, calmer, but still like the same sports, hobbies that I did before. I definetly have very tender breast and they continue to grow. I guess that I am right where I am supposed to be at two months.
Thanks again to everyone for once again being here when I needed you. I love it here and you ladies have helped me so much.
Hugz,
Ariana
Hi Shanetastic, don't worry hunny, some day you will and I pray that it will be for a good reason when you do. Just allow yourself to feel, don't suppress it., let it flow when you feel it coming. It use to be very difficult for me to show emotion of any type before. I may have always been there for another, but I wouldn't allow myself to feel anything more then what was needed to do my job, after I transitioned and was on HRT for a time my entire character changed only because I let it be so, just let go. Just remember, it's a girls prerogative if they feel like crying.
Cindy
After about two weeks of being on HRT, I had gotten up early on a Sunday morning, as I usually do, and went to the supermarket to do my weekly grocery shopping. For some reason, when I arrived at the store, I felt better than I"ve felt in YEARS! Almost euphoric. The result of this, was that I went through the store buying everything in sight! By the time that I completed check-out, I was too short of cash and had to use my credit card to pay for all of the groceries. I wonder if this feeling of total happiness was the result of the HRT, or was I just in a rare mood that day? That feeling hasn't re-occurred.
QuoteThat feeling hasn't re-occurred.
Shewww. To the relief of your bank account, huh. :laugh:
When I first started HRT I was giddy and ridiculous for the first few months. It was quite fun though! I think that the people I worked with thought I was insane.
Audrey
Hi Audrey. I still do. I haven't felt depressed or down for the seven years I been full time and on HRT. Well I get some down days but no big deal like no great depression. I just love telling jokes and teasing Wing Walker. The Wing Walker and Cindy show. Ya it's a wonder I didn't drive the folks at work nuts to. Actually they enjoyed much my sense of humor.
As far as age I feel about like a mischievous 10 year old. certainly I get the emotional see saw at times but a lot of times it is mostly really good cleansing tears. I plan on staying right the way I am and act serious only when required. If this would have been ten years ago I would have though you were somewhat addled telling me I would be like this. I wouldn't of believe it back then.
Cindy
Quote from: Ariana on February 29, 2008, 12:25:17 AM
I can't really act or think feminely and be safe
i know I am ts and that I am doing what I need to become my trueself.
Hugz,
Ariana
one thing i really liked about the pre-HRT part of my transition was the fact that i gave myself permission to be female. once i allowed myself to do that, i felt really liberated. prior to that, i felt that i lived in such a cage!
i know that alot of people here refer to themselves as "Women," but i don't. i only sense that i am female. maybe it's just HRT puberty, i don't know.
anyway, it sounds to me that you haven't yet given yourself permission to be female, i mean, psychologically.
in your head, you start living 24/7 as a female long before you begin presenting yourself 24/7 as a female. it has nothing to do with mannerisms or presentation, it's just you acknowledging yourself, accepting yourself, and being who you really are. that is a huge change, but it's all mental, and, i believe, should start well before HRT.
you don't have to present anything, so it's entirely safe.
-ellie
ps,
this is just my perspective and is not meant to replace guidance from a therapist.
-L
Ell, you've got some beautiful insight there, and it's an interesting line of thought. "Giving yourself permission to be female." Lol.
Very true though.
Quote from: Annwyn on March 02, 2008, 06:19:50 PM
Ell, you've got some beautiful insight there, and it's an interesting line of thought. "Giving yourself permission to be female." Lol.
Very true though.
oh, thank you.
Quote from: Annwyn on March 02, 2008, 06:19:50 PM
Ell, you've got some beautiful insight there, and it's an interesting line of thought. "Giving yourself permission to be female." Lol.
Very true though.
yea Annwyn, I also agree. It has to first come inside of you to make the desicion to accept yourself living deep inside as female, only then would you truly come out to be a "woman" from the outside.
Quote from: cindybc on March 01, 2008, 11:54:11 PM
Hi Shanetastic, don't worry hunny, some day you will and I pray that it will be for a good reason when you do. Just allow yourself to feel, don't suppress it., let it flow when you feel it coming. It use to be very difficult for me to show emotion of any type before. I may have always been there for another, but I wouldn't allow myself to feel anything more then what was needed to do my job, after I transitioned and was on HRT for a time my entire character changed only because I let it be so, just let go. Just remember, it's a girls prerogative if they feel like crying.
Cindy
It's all right cindy, I have nothing to cry about so I'm good! :)
Then for my sorta on topic post, you're right ell. Although I don't acknowledge myself really as a woman, I do just sort of have a generalized thought of that I'm female, whatever that may mean. And giving yourself permission to express your "true" side is a great first step. That's one of the first things my therapist asked me to try to do all so so so long ago.
Quote from: Audrey on March 02, 2008, 02:58:51 PM
QuoteThat feeling hasn't re-occurred.
Shewww. To the relief of your bank account, huh. :laugh:
When I first started HRT I was giddy and ridiculous for the first few months. It was quite fun though! I think that the people I worked with thought I was insane.
Audrey
yea, suddenly I take everything as a joke. Before I had some sense of humor before but now it's just a bit different. It's just very childish...
Posted on: March 02, 2008, 07:31:48 PM
Quote from: April221 on March 02, 2008, 02:53:21 PM
That feeling hasn't re-occurred.
I'm not a doctor but my speculation is that HRT affects the brain and can put the brains chemicals in whack which could cause to feel "eurphoric", "happy", etc- It maybe that
Hi cindy my giddy sister. I have found that my generally happy attitude really wears off on others, which I actually might make a new topic on........
Audrey
Hi Audry
Yes it does doesn't it. 8). In a good way. But then I don't even need to say anything and they still stop to look at me. Sometimes the entire family mom, dad, and both children stop to look at the scenery I guess. But when there gets to be to many people it kind of unnerves me. I mean I was use to it in the small town I lived in in Ontario, but in this city with lots of people kind of burns me out after a bit. But I have never felt any malice in the eyes of these people though it was more like they were mezmarised by my energy. Sometimes I get to feeling like I'm inside a Borg ship, like an overcrowded with Borgs, then I just need to get out and away to chill for a bit.
Hey but I love chatting and drop a joke or two with the sails clerks and cashier girls. I do the same with the attendants when Wing Walker and I stop at the take out at Tim Horton's for coffee. even at the bank, I love making people laugh. I am also getting excited, The interview for starting up a drop in center and support group for trans folks is on the 6 of March. It is sad to see so many of our brothers and sisters homeless and some living on the street selling themselves to buy drugs. It pains me to see so many of our sisters and brothers end up in this kind of life. I just want the opportunity to at least lend a shoulder to lean on and just talk. Oh dear I think I should go to bed now. I'll see you around *sis.*
Cindy
I am neering four months and have not had much for change. I have always lived perposely trying to pass as masculine so I don`t get messed with but now that I have moved I can let that part go and just be me. Ariana , perhaps you have some letting go yourself of an act you perfected over the years like me.
As far as hobbies go I always loved drag boats. I have worked on a pit crew, I`ve had my own boat. I love how pretty we make them , I love the sound of all 8 cilinders puonding alcohol, The smell of fuel. I could care less who wins though. I wish I could have one now but I would have to stop transition to aford it. So, my new hobby is baking goodies running off the goodies and burning out on erb.
Angie
Hi Angie
Don't worry to much hon, you been on the hormones for four months, it takes anywhere from 2 to 6 months depending you your age before some start getting results. The first change you will feel will be in the breast area, sensitiveness the best I can describe it feels like bruised tissue bot of course no bruising.
Hobbies, well I use to love boats myself, well I use to love doing gardening but that is out since we live in the suburbs of Vancouver. Just waiting for Wing Walker to get her surgery and after she heels we may be looking for a place that is more country like. My other activity is doing social work giving support to those who are in need. I love dong social work I worked as a social worker for 20 years before I was retired.
Anyway have a wonderful day.
Cindy
Quote from: Audrey on March 03, 2008, 01:31:28 PM
Hi cindy my giddy sister. I have found that my generally happy attitude really wears off on others, which I actually might make a new topic on........
Audrey
Oh Audrey, you are sooo right! Although I present as a male, and I'm mostly bald, for many years I've dressed entirely in female clothing in public. Women's or junior size jeans, misses tops, etc. I dress the same way as any other woman that I'll see on the street. I always carry a woman's handbag/purse that hangs on my shoulder. I dress this way because this how women dress, which is how I'M supposed to dress. I believe in myself, and have confidence in myself as a woman. I usually wear nail polish on my fingers. I prefer colors that don't stand out...I'm not trying to call attention to myself, and I like the look of a nice pale pink lacquer on my nails. Someone once noticed this, and said, "pink nail polish?" My response was "I'm tired of red!"
When I go into a ladies specialty store, or J. Crew, or any other store to try on or buy ladies clothing, I have the belief that I belong there. My confidence affects everyone around me. Audrey, if you're happy, or confident, if you believe in yourself, those around you, especially other women, will sense it, and you'll have no problem being accepted for being who you are. Nothing is more infectious than a smile.
Hi April221
I couldn't agree more about influencing others around you by how you feel. I refer to that as projecting to others to see what you wish them to see. Yes a smile goes a long ways to disarming another. I find a good sense f humor goes a long ways as well. It's hard for someone to think anything negative towards you if they are laughing. Getting a bad case of the giggles is quite a frequent occurrence with me and Wing Walker, I usually the one to instigate it. But there are those days where I just don't go out at all if I am feeling down.
Cindy
The first round of Premarin (1986-ish) gave me very good sized boobs and I also found that I cried..well, ALMOST cried at things that normally wouldn't bother me or make me feel that way. I did tear up a lot and got pretty emotional and my wife liked me when I felt that way.
Movies I would watch with her with a sexual content were not as arousing, but they were more "understood" if you can follow my thought here. It was like I saw the thoughts and the reasons why people acted the way they did, not just the results.
Ultimately, I needed no further Premarin as my therapy ended after about 6 months ..it was for migraines which disappeared the week I started Premarin and have never returned in twenty+ years since. The breast growth you see in my avatar is what I got that first time. They got to 36B.
Now, a long while later and older, I have re-started a new regimen with Progynova...taken at the middle of the road dosage (no numbers there!) and I feel for all intents and purposes that Progynova is more gentle and not as aggressive in mental feminization ....if there really is such a change.
Whereas the Premarin hit me hard, this time the Progynova is gentle and less mind-changing I feel. This is purely anecdotal and does NOT carry the weight of medical or laboratory proof and results.
I now have new breast growth..surprising so! I have only been taking it for 2 months with Casodex and the results are really good. The tenderness in my boobs has increased 20-fold and I have a full-time aching and arousal of the nipples.
I have to wear a bra all day long as the motion of the jiggling drives me crazy and the nipples get raw.
As I remember it, the Premarin did about the same thing...but on a more mental-changes scale I feel.
This time, I am not bothered by crying or feeling like I need to get all misty over a movie or a sad story.
I also am keeping a strict tape measure reading of my progress every Sunday evening. The first week, I increased the feeling of what I call "gummi bears" inside the breasts. These are the glands increasing in size and Oh Boy! are they tender!
My upper thighs, stomach (at the navel), the iliac points (the tip of each hip), under the breasts, over the breasts and the largest part of my rear end are all in a chart to watch over the next few months. My Mons has definitely gotten thicker or more padded....I don't know what I think about that though.
The undersides of my boobs are filling in very nicely..and I feel this is the real indicator that things are happening in the growth area. Upper breast growth is fine and now with the lower sides filling in, I am going to be up a cup size in what I project to be another two or three weeks. The area directly around the nipples are very hard...so hard that I cannot get a pinch on the nipples any more and I see a lot more perkiness now too.
Weight-wise, I see a little loss by a few pounds so far..but that might be from my paying more attention than normal to things currently. I am also just over the influenza which had me ill since January 3rd and kept me bed ridden for almost a full two months. I didn't eat very much and what I could get down either went right through me or came back up...so I guess I never got many of the intended calories I was consuming anyway.
I'll keep things posted when I see some real numerical values changing, although I believe that I have made a lot of improvement so far.
Ya! Progynova!
Time will tell..as I am only at the two month time as of yet with the Progynova....but I like the results quite a lot. If I had it to do all over, I don't know which prescription I would prefer...the Progynova or the Premarin. I am not a full-nut animal rights activist..so using Premarin is not something that would bother me anyway. The added Casodex may be the biggest difference though.
Now..If I can get my DSL lights to quit blinking and get synced up, I can post this.
PS: swinging a 32 ounce Vaughn hammer under the floors while framing the rafters in my cabin takes on a whole new meaning right now! Stamina is all but gone and I am drinking coffee just for effect to stay in a working mood. Oh, and yeah...the boobs get in the way! Most definitely! ;)