Bonsoir mes ami(e)s :-*,
I was just wondering, if androgynes have certain personality traits in common (in addition to identifying as androgyne, of course ;)), can the same be said for political and/or religious views? ??? I myself am a socialist I guess (certainly fairly left-wing, anyway), and a convert of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster ;) (although on a census form I'd probably fall under "atheist" :P).
So if people don't mind sharing, I just thought it would be interesting to see if there is one predominant political or religious viewpoint within the androgynous community...
Peace out, :icon_wave:
Lutin :)
Politically, I lean to the left. I self-identify as non-partisan more as a political statement itself than as a fact. I like to hear all sides of any issue, as there is more than just the liberal/conservative binary approach, it seems.
Religiously, my spiritual practice is an amalgamation of Christianity, Paganism (hybrid of Wicca and Asatru), and Soto Zen Buddhism. I usually just refer to myself as Pagan; it's simpler.
I believe in a benevolent God, and that humans are basically good.
Politically, I'm a Centralist bordering on Liberal.
Religion, politics, and whether cats are better than dogs have started more bar fights than I'd care to count.
I prefer cats over dogs. :icon_wink:
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
I think it's safe to say I am liberal, although I will never align myself with any party. I might border along the lines of socialist. Definitely a pacifist.
My religion... I am a witch. I am not pagan (I do not believe in gods or goddesses), I am not wiccan. I don't think my form of witch has a very good one word title... perhaps: Existentialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism) Witch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch). Other words that might describe me, techno-mage, sorceror, natural-witch (born-witch, not nature-witch), warlock (oath-breaker), solitary-witch.
When given the choice between cats and dogs: I would pick a bird. Probably a rose breasted cockatoo. Although a green cheek conure can do in pinch. After that I would say dog, even though I am allergic. Never cats, I'm even more allergic to them (and HORRIBLY allergic to cat-nip).
Borderline vegetarian, wannabe vegan. I rarely eat meat, unless it tastes really good. When given the option, I will take a vegi-burger, but I won't turn down a regular burger. I don't like animal products (fur, leather, animal byproducts, etc) although I do wear leather shoes and belts (they last longer, and it's hard to find canvas items that look professional, or fake leather that lasts longer than 2 months). However, I LOVE cheese and milk, and will never give up either, ever. I grew up on a ranch, we raised goats, and goats do not mind being milked, in fact most of them LIKED it, however I don't think I ever saw an animal that liked being EATEN.
I'm registered as independent in my state, and probably tend towards socialism or anarchy along the lines of Emma Goldman. I have never voted for a republican in my life, although I would consider it if the person was a great candidate. But it hasn't happened yet ;)
I was born Jewish, and still consider that an important part of my spirituality. I've been either atheist or agnostic my entire life, and at various times have also explored pagan, Buddhism, Sufi, Bahai, etc.
Z
I forgot to add important stuff such as; prefer cats to dogs, prefer wine to beer, and tend to eat mostly vegetarian (was a vegan for a few years). And chocolate goes with everything ;D
Politically I'm slightly left from the center point -- which of course means that by American standards I'd be considered a bloody communist. Then again, the left vs. right isn't the only relevant dimension, and there are lots of middle-aged men in all parties whose values are far too conservative for the tastes of a middle-aged androgyne like me.
Religion-wise I'm christian. This is largely due to cultural inertia, and while I believe in God I am also quite thoroughly convinced that it doesn't matter whether E exists or not. Lately I've been to church on the average about once a year, mainly for weddings, funerals and the like.
Dogs rather than cats. Or better yet, wolves or lynces -- I'm mildly allergic, so I wouldn't keep them as pets anyway.
Nfr
I think of myself as a socialist. registered unenrolled (independent).
I don't have a religion, but have a personal spirituality probably based on principles of human psychology. I do attend a church, but it's Unitarian Universalist and so it doesn't count. ;) The basic church doctrines are really good ones - Love, respect, dignity for each individual.
I had more to say, but forgot it. Sorry.
I am actually right wing, in the sense that I just want the government to leave me alone to get on with it, but I would never ever vote right wing, and I don't agree with hardly any right wing policies. And I was the mascot of the student labour party in york and have helped (and even been paid) to help the voting in of a labour Mp...I usually vote independent. I believe in local government over national.
I am an atheist but grew up christian (I lived 4 years in a seminary as a child/adolescent.) I was the Discordian bishop of GB but I grew out of it.
I'm registered Democrat. But really, I just think we should all be equal and have the exact same opportunities just because we're human. Is there a word for it? I don't know. I'm pretty liberal.
As far as religion, I'm spiritual. I grew up in a pretty liberal church, so I didn't have all that hellfire and brimstone to deal with. But church isn't for me. I usually just take things I like from different religions and make them my own. For example, I like the concept of "kami". I do my own thing. I'm not a fan of ritual or anything I find confining. I do believe in a higher power, but it's more an essence of life or something like that. And I think everyone is god, in a sense...
Actually, no, that's not true. I'm god. So bow down and worship me already. And where are the offerings? geez. Get with it people! I need to extort you to be a proper evangelist!
Quote from: Jaimey on March 24, 2008, 08:04:05 PM
Actually, no, that's not true. I'm god. So bow down and worship me already. And where are the offerings? geez. Get with it people! I need to extort you to be a proper evangelist!
Too late, they've already sent the checks to me :P
Z
Yeah, we've been paying off Zythyra for some time now.
Religionwise I would say I am anti-religion and probably anti the idea of god for that matter -if there was a God I would be on the other team. That's not to say I would be evil, more that if a god(s) existed I don't think you could call them good or omnipotent or that perhaps god(s) would operate outside the boundaries of what we would consider good or evil. I guess that makes me pro-human in relation to this hypothetical god. (I'm secretly a follower of the invisible pink unicorn :eusa_shifty:, the only true god of us unicorns ;))
I do have spirituality of some unkown quantity and quality, but I'm not really practising. I kind of feel there will be more opportunities when I'm dead to worry about my spirituality.
Running a country seems hard with a huge range of compromises, so I try not to comment on politics to often. But I am more for people over business and generally just allowing everyone to get along (but if those businesses really improve the lot of humans then I'm all for them).
Quote from: Jaimey on March 24, 2008, 08:04:05 PM
Actually, no, that's not true. I'm god. So bow down and worship me already.
But I
am doing that. I perform the ritual of sacrificing all the new growth of beard. Almost every morning, even, and when I skip a day the next morning I have twice as much to sacrifice. :angel:
Nfr
I also sacrifice facial hair.
sacrafacial hair
boom boom
Quote from: NickSister on March 25, 2008, 02:47:19 AM
Religionwise I would say I am anti-religion and probably anti the idea of god for that matter -if there was a God I would be on the other team. That's not to say I would be evil, more that if a god(s) existed I don't think you could call them good or omnipotent or that perhaps god(s) would operate outside the boundaries of what we would consider good or evil. I guess that makes me pro-human in relation to this hypothetical god. (I'm secretly a follower of the invisible pink unicorn :eusa_shifty:, the only true god of us unicorns ;))
I do have spirituality of some unkown quantity and quality, but I'm not really practising. I kind of feel there will be more opportunities when I'm dead to worry about my spirituality.
Running a country seems hard with a huge range of compromises, so I try not to comment on politics to often. But I am more for people over business and generally just allowing everyone to get along (but if those businesses really improve the lot of humans then I'm all for them).
Ah, then you and I are on the same team. If there is a god, I don't like it. Not because I am evil, far from it. I just can't believe a god could be considered 'good' considering the world...
Quote from: Rebis on March 25, 2008, 11:26:24 AM
sacrafacial hair
And that, is the best pun I have seen all week.
Quote from: Kir on March 25, 2008, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: Rebis on March 25, 2008, 11:26:24 AM
sacrafacial hair
And that, is the best pun I have seen all week.
Thank you.
And I raise you your godlessness with my countrylessness.
I just remembered that I don't believe in nationalities or in nations. I live here and pay my dues so I can use the facilities, however, I am of the universe and not of this land.
No country for old gender variants.
Politics: Conservative Anarchist, unenrolled, pacifist, board member of Young Republicans during college, voted for independent thinking Democrats and Republicans, but since 1980--between the southern strategy and the Christian right--the Republican party has abandoned me.
Ethics: Quoting Wikipedia about INFP: "As Feelers they tend to rely on a personal, internal sense of right and wrong rather than external, objective criteria. They tend to make decisions based on feelings and social considerations rather than logic."
Religion: I am a Radical Reform Jew, emphasizing social justice over ritual. I twice applied to rabbinic seminary and was twice rejected for my poor Hebrew. My wife (ENFJ) will finish seminary in about a year, if God is willing. We are deeply involved in local interfaith efforts.
Food: I do not eat little octopuses. I grew up within smelling distance of the stockyards and watched as hogs were slaughtered there. I remained and remain a compassionate omnivore. I eat lots of fruits and vegetables. When I farmed, I raised dairy cattle (put them down as my favorite pets). We had 3 rabbits in our dining room for 10 years (as pets, not food). Chocolate is good.
Simone
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 25, 2008, 09:19:53 PM
We had 3 rabbits in our dining room for 10 years (as pets, not food). Chocolate is good.
Simone
chocolate rabbits; better
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 25, 2008, 09:19:53 PM
Religion: I am a Radical Reform Jew, emphasizing social justice over ritual. I twice applied to rabbinic seminary and was twice rejected for my poor Hebrew. My wife (ENFJ) will finish seminary in about a year, if God is willing. We are deeply involved in local interfaith efforts.
That's fascinating Simone! I'm also Jewish, another radical social justice type, and over the past few years have occasionally fantasized becoming a cantor. If I did that I'd likely be among the first trans cantors ;D Only one problem, I dropped out of Hebrew school at 12, and haven't really studied it since... Then there's the matter of my voice, much better at singing blues than cantorial style ::)
Quote from: Rebis on March 25, 2008, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 25, 2008, 09:19:53 PM
We had 3 rabbits in our dining room for 10 years (as pets, not food). Chocolate is good.
Simone
chocolate rabbits; better
Chocolate anything is the best ;D
Z
I'm as religious as the AAAS (which is to say, I'm agnostic, not atheist - and there is a big difference), and politically slightly to the left of Abbie Hoffman. Though I find myself very fiscally conservative, if only because "giving governments money is like giving a 16 year old a bottle of whiskey and the keys to the family car." (P.J. O'Rourke) I favor individual choice, without public funding, or public funding with public voting. Either way.
I was trained as a physicist, worked at a national lab doing high energy research, and spend most of my life with rock bands, any of which would lead me to doubt the existence of god (as defined here on earth), the combination of them, made it certain.
I am anti-war, anti-death penalty (I'm willing to make an exception for Bush and Cheney when we try them for treason during time of war) pro-choice, and anti-car. Though lately we've all been obsessed with stopping the Olympic Torch when it goes through SF on its way to China.
Quote from: tekla on March 25, 2008, 10:16:52 PM
I am anti-war, anti-death penalty (I'm willing to make an exception for Bush and Cheney when we try them for treason during time of war) pro-choice, and anti-car.
me too except for deathing bush/cheney. I think they should be held in a place where for 12 hours a day, people can come in and tell them what they think of them.
I thought the same for saddam. Stick him in a cell with one absolute clear wall all day and let people come in and tell him what he did to their loved ones over a PA system so he couldn't block their voices.
I know they would not repent, but i think it would be hard on them.
Quote from: Zythyra on March 25, 2008, 10:02:12 PM
That's fascinating Simone! I'm also Jewish, another radical social justice type, and over the past few years have occasionally fantasized becoming a cantor. If I did that I'd likely be among the first trans cantors ;D Only one problem, I dropped out of Hebrew school at 12, and haven't really studied it since... Then there's the matter of my voice, much better at singing blues than cantorial style ::)
Z
There's a school near Boston and another just outside Philadelphia that have extensive catalogs of online Jewish courses. Their students are spread worldwide, have a variety of backgrounds, and span the various movements. That'd let you catch up on you studies, though singing courses would probably need to be done in person. These days there's a variety of cantorial styles, and G&L cantors are becoming more common, so why not trans? You could be chaplain to the Androgyne Empire! Send me a message if you want the schools' urls.
Keep stretching,
Simone
You can't be both keening quing and chaplian - I vote simone for chaplain.
Quote from: Pica Pica on March 26, 2008, 03:18:59 PM
You can't be both keening quing and chaplian - I vote simone for chaplain.
Are you interested in the opening for poet-laureate? The stipend might get you out from behind the bar.
Prose Laureate maybe, don't really do poems...but with caveat in mind - yer on.
Quote from: Pica Pica on March 26, 2008, 03:18:59 PM
You can't be both keening quing and chaplian - I vote simone for chaplain.
I second the vote for Simone as chaplain
I'll be the house musician (and of course keening quing as well)
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on March 26, 2008, 03:34:46 PM
I'll be the house musician (and of course keening quing as well)
Z
I think that makes you the court musician.
Simone
Thou consorts with minstrels?
Here is my fiddlestick, here is that which will make you dance.
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 26, 2008, 05:56:07 PM
I think that makes you the court musician.
Simone
Great. As long as I get to wear tights and a feather in a floppy hat ;D
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on March 26, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: Simone Louise on March 26, 2008, 05:56:07 PM
I think that makes you the court musician.
Simone
Great. As long as I get to wear tights and a feather in a floppy hat ;D
Z
And a boldly colored tunic. You may want the velvet one. The great hall is heated only by the smoky fire burning below the hole in the ceiling.
Simone
Yes, of course, the purple tunic will be perfect ;D
Z
The Purple Tunic sounds like a secret identify for a superhero.
Quote from: Rebis on March 27, 2008, 10:16:33 AM
The Purple Tunic sounds like a secret identify for a superhero.
Pfft. Hilarious.
May I accompany The Purple Tunic (aka Z :P) with the tambourine? :laugh: