Make sure you tell me whether you are male or female. And not to confuse peeps, we are going to use gender instead of sex.
I'll start:
I'm female obviously :=]
Like: Men don't get mad for every single thing.
Dislike: When they are gross, pervs, mean, cocky, uncaring. Not all men are like that but some are :=)
female.
what i like: the personality....behaviour and approach towards life.
what i don't like: when they don't put the toilet seat down. also, why is it so hard for men to aim the inside of the bowl and not on the rim of the bowl?
I'm female.
I hate the aggressive, confrontational attitude that many guys have. That and the emotional stuntedness.
What I like about them is that quiet, confident, gentle strength that some guys have.
~Simone.
Female.
I like the gentle, protective and chivalrous nature with women of most men.
I dislike the "you're not worth my time since you're a (unattractive) woman" attitude of others.
~Kate~
Female.
I like their masculine touch, the kisses, ;D, the way they make me feel, like I'm the most perfect girl in the entire universe.
I don't like the fact that some guys (not all of course) think that they can control us!
tink :icon_chick:
Female,
I dislike the ego's that seemingly all successful men have, their arrogance and cockiness.
I like most men's need to "take care" of women and defend them.
Amanda
I dislike the ego's that seemingly all successful men have, their arrogance and cockiness.
I like most men's need to "take care" of women and defend them.
Seems to me, that having to "take care" of people and "defend" them insipires a certain "arrogance and cockiness" all on its own. One is the fuel that feeds the other.
And hey, if the ego part of being successful men turns you off, try dating failures, there are plenty.
I don't like the fact that some guys (not all of course) think that they can control us!
I would submit that if I have to "take care" of, and "defend" then I get to control also. It's a package deal.
Quote from: tekla on April 06, 2008, 07:00:12 PM
I would submit that if I have to "take care" of, and "defend" then I get to control also. It's a package deal.
You know, there is a difference between a police force and a police state. Both provide protection, but only one packages it with control.
Anyway, to the question. Gender-wise I'm androgyne, so:
I like the strong, caring confidence some men exhibit, and dislike the way the masculine strength sometimes turns into bullying arrogance.
I like the soft, caring love some women exhibit, and dislike the way the feminine softness and emphasis on feelings sometimes turns into an 'Ooh, my man' type of ditziness.
Um. Looks like I prefer a man with some feminine traits and a woman with some masculine traits. Oh well, at least I tried.
Nfr
What do you like and dislike the most about the opposite gender?
Men are fine but I could never identify as one or want to be one...
Male.
Now, these are generalizations of course.
What I like about females - the way they move, the softness, the compassion, the sensitivity, etc. I really love all the maternal stuff.
What I dislike about females - when they're upset with you and you're just expected to know why and you're totally clueless.
Quote from: Nero on April 07, 2008, 06:49:48 AM
Male.
Now, these are generalizations of course.
What I like about females - the way they move, the softness, the compassion, the sensitivity, etc. I really love all the maternal stuff.
What I dislike about females - when they're upset with you and you're just expected to know why and you're totally clueless.
That is pretty funny. Just about any woman sobbing tears, who is visibly emotionally upset, somehow miraculously has "Nothing!" wrong with her.
i'm female.
i sooooo can't believe i didn't start this topic myself as i work with mostly men in the auto shop.
here is what i dislike: they never seem to show up on time
they have disgusting bathroom habits
when they do show up their angry at everyone especially women in authority above them.
they don't like to do any kind of work especially if they have to.
most of them think they know everything and really know nothing about what they'rr talking about...lol
most of them are noisy and quite violent
i find more of them than necessary quite rude too
what i do like: i like the ones who are still chivalrous, and know how to treat a lady
no offense to anyone on here, but there isn't really much i like about men...lol
thanks Jeannette,
Mickie
Hi,
Female.
I hate the aggressiveness and arrogance. I don't have any likes at the moment ;D.
Sarah
Female
I used to think only men had agressive tendancies. Latley more and more girls have gotten so violent...
http://www.wftv.com/news/15817394/detail.html
I think you can take either gender and compare the same things to both. I've met plenty of gross guys and plenty of gross women. Its a matter of personal hygene. There really is no way to generalise anymore.
Women are sleeping with their students left and right and its hard to get through a week where a female teacher isnt dragged over the coals for sleeping with the kids lately. Banks are getting robbed, fights are breaking out, its sad to see it unfold.
I like men because they can have a protective nature over women. They can also be strong and kind. Surely this doesnt fit all men, but a lot of them have this in them.
I hate the aggressiveness and arrogance
Oh come on now, are saying that women can't be arrogant? Like it wasn't Marie Antoinette that when told the peasants were starving, said "Let them eat cake"?
Though I might well know more arrogant men than women (I think its easier to see in men) the women I know who are arrogant have it miles and miles beyond the men in really "being" there. The sense of entitlement and privlage that some women possess is truly mind blowing. And they wield it like a ninja sword. Cold, distant and removed, they merely disown you from the world at that moment.
When I go to, or work at, the opera and the symphony, some of the (rich to ultra "I know your family name" type rich) women I talk to - yowie! From god's brain to their lips. Or the "A List" sorority girls at a good private college type arrogant? Its not 100%, I have met many charming rich people, and know many nice, down-to-earth sorority girls - still....
And then there is Condi Rice, whose casual assumption that she is right no matter who has to die where, is both arrogant and aggressive.
Quote from: tekla on April 08, 2008, 07:14:24 PM
I hate the aggressiveness and arrogance
Oh come on now, are saying that women can't be arrogant? Like it wasn't Marie Antoinette that when told the peasants were starving, said "Let them eat cake"?
Though I might well know more arrogant men than women (I think its easier to see in men) the women I know who are arrogant have it miles and miles beyond the men in really "being" there. The sense of entitlement and privlage that some women possess is truly mind blowing. And they wield it like a ninja sword. Cold, distant and removed, they merely disown you from the world at that moment.
When I go to, or work at, the opera and the symphony, some of the (rich to ultra "I know your family name" type rich) women I talk to - yowie! From god's brain to their lips. Or the "A List" sorority girls at a good private college type arrogant? Its not 100%, I have met many charming rich people, and know many nice, down-to-earth sorority girls - still....
And then there is Condi Rice, whose casual assumption that she is right no matter who has to die where, is both arrogant and aggressive.
Oh Thank You...
Quote from: tekla on April 08, 2008, 07:14:24 PM
And then there is Condi Rice, whose casual assumption that she is right no matter who has to die where, is both arrogant and aggressive.
Lest we not forget dear Maggie Thatcher either.
I don't think anybody here is saying women can't be arrogant and as dangerous as any guy, but I do think it's more prevalent in the male population.
~Simone.
This is an interesting read. :D
Female
Like: Protective, quite strength, straight to the point attitude, and honorable(usually)
Dislike: Most feel constantly challenged to prove their masculinity, occasional immature world view, feeling of superiority over women, and aggressiveness or anger towards things they don't like or understand.
I think there are more blokes on this board besides Nero. Come out, come out wherever you are. Don't be frightened to post ;)
EDIT: Thanks Nero for participating
Hmmm...ok, will try this out without giving it a ton of think time.
Gender: Male
Dislikes about Females: That time of the month. If only Calgon did take you away, I would need plenty of Calgon moments. I hate being around women when they change into ....monsters (to be nice about it).
Likes about Females: Flirting and maternal nature.
what do i like about boys??
Big shoulders,
strong chins
stubble
thier butts
thier smell
thier size
strenght
power
whats not to like?
aside from the idiot ones...
R >:D
aside from the idiot ones...
That is not the thin slice of the pie however.
Quote from: tekla on April 21, 2008, 02:00:37 PM
aside from the idiot ones...
That is not the thin slice of the pie however.
On the contrary, the un-idiot ones make up the tiniest of "I'm-on-a-strict-diet!" slices.
~Simone.
Quote from: Rachael on April 21, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
thier smell
-snip-
Really??!? Their smell? That, along side their attitudes is at the top of my dislike list. And I mean both natural and cologne, I can't stand either.
Crazy. ^_^
Hmmmmm
thier smell is intoxicating to me. Clean guys obviously... bo is nasty regardless of gender.
But a clean hot guy smells amazing to me! i dunno, its just really attractive when i smell a guys musky manly odour... it just sums them up in a wiff ^_^ (Hopeless i know)
R >:D
female.
Good things about men?
They're not as afraid to be geeky. Everyone ought to be geeky in some way. You need some kind of ridiculous and unreasonable passion in life, whether it's sports, gaming, science, literature, music, or whatever. Men tend to be less afraid to be passionate about something without worrying about what other people will think.
Quote from: Putzie"What do you care what other people think?"
Bad things about men?
Their aggressiveness and lack of empathy. Team sports is the prime example. I hate playing team sports with men. It really brings out the worst -- tripping, punching, shoving, but hey, that's okay if you don't get called on it! But when the other team does it -- whoa!!! what a bunch of jerks!!! Did you see what that SOB did??!!!! ::) Yeah, women can get that way too, but it's not nearly as bad. Just as a general rule, I tend to observe that men are much less likely to try to see things from someone else's perspective, or to even care what that perspective is.
(I suppose the former stems in part from the latter...)
Quote from: Alyssa M. on April 21, 2008, 04:15:55 PM
They're not as afraid to be geeky. Everyone ought to be geeky in some way. You need some kind of ridiculous and unreasonable passion in life, whether it's sports, gaming, science, literature, music, or whatever. Men tend to be less afraid to be passionate about something without worrying about what other people will think.
thats not barvery.... thats them not having a clue that being geeky is a socially suicidal thing.... men have no regard for how others see them to be honest. No concept of social image. From what ive seen.
R >:D
Right -- hence my statement that the lack of empathy (related to not caring what other people think) leads to the geekiness.
The trouble is that excessive "un-geekiness" can make somebody at first impression seem really mellow and centered when they are just really boring and self-centered. You need some balance between the geekiness (i.e, some arbitrary passion) and the realization that nobody else necessarily cares about what you care about.
Strangely enough when you sit across from male clients you find that more than let on can be empathetic. The problem is, according to them, they can show that to a woman therapist, just not around the other guys!! Enforced social stereotyping?
Guys are clueless when it comes to personal hygiene, often enough. "What!!? I don't smell anything!" "Here let me clean up." *brushes hair to the right and says "Ok, I'm ready now." *Grass-stained dungarees and body-odor reeking and a "wife-beater" for a top.* :laugh:
Guys are always right, even when there's no clear-cut answer. An inability to ask for advice, unless they are in session.
And a fondness for hand-held gadgets: TV remotes come to mind, hold it like it's an extension of their penis.
What's good?
Umm. No, often enough guys can cut right to a knot and untie it. Guys can be loving, they just tend to go about it in a different fashion than many of us.
Many guys are kinda lovable. I think every woman should be able to rent at least one. :laugh: :laugh:
Just kidding guys.
To press a point I've made elsewhere: guys? Give me a trans man.
Nichole
men have no regard for how others see them to be honest.
That my dear, is braver than most women ever are.
Quote from: tekla on April 21, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
men have no regard for how others see them to be honest.
That my dear, is braver than most women ever are.
Uh-huh... you sure? Or is that a function of what is expected, socially speaking? Lots more women seem more inclined to be casual and without make-up and the trappings these days than say twenty years ago.
N~
True that, but I think that is because lots of other women were doing it also. Safety in numbers and all that. I think that women (as a group) are less likely to go outside the norm, or to stand on their own defying everyone else. As Camille Paglia said, 'there are no female Mozarts because there are no female Jack the Rippers'.
Quote from: Seshatneferw on April 07, 2008, 02:03:44 AM
Quote from: tekla on April 06, 2008, 07:00:12 PM
I would submit that if I have to "take care" of, and "defend" then I get to control also. It's a package deal.
Um. Looks like I prefer a man with some feminine traits and a woman with some masculine traits. Oh well, at least I tried.
Nfr
hehehe, me to.
Sod the others, everyone should just be androgyne.
Quote from: Nichole on April 21, 2008, 06:44:13 PM
Quote from: tekla on April 21, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
men have no regard for how others see them to be honest.
That my dear, is braver than most women ever are.
Quote from: tekla on April 21, 2008, 07:04:55 PM
True that, but I think that is because lots of other women were doing it also. Safety in numbers and all that. I think that women (as a group) are less likely to go outside the norm, or to stand on their own defying everyone else. As Camille Paglia said, 'there are no female Mozarts because there are no female Jack the Rippers'.
Uh-huh... you sure? Or is that a function of what is expected, socially speaking? Lots more women seem more inclined to be casual and without make-up and the trappings these days than say twenty years ago.
N~
Nice quote, it may be true, but the serial killers among women who've been discovered have tended toward poison and more unobtrusive ways of offing people than did Jack.
And it IS most odd that there are fewer great women composers: Sappho with the harp, Hildegard of Bingen, The Lady of Dia among the troubadors, Mirabai, Clara Schumann, and Lili & Nadia Boulanger, and add Joan Baez, Madonna and Jonie Mitchell I find especially good. Odd simply because I find women more inclined to music than are men. But, do they excel men at music?
But no Mozarts are considered to be among that list. Perhaps Ms. Paglia is right.
Again the question though, do girls, and consequently women, tend to be less adventurous and less subject to showing their genius due to social and cultural reasons? In that regard genius seems favored for males to me, but I might be convinced otherwise by a good argument.
N~
o, yeah, a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_composers
I met Camile once, and all I can say is that if nothing else, she is quite convinced in the most fundamental way that she is right.
Of that list, the only one with any real claim is Hildegard. Sappho, got any of her records or songs? No. So that is mere conjecture. She may well have been awesome, or perhaps she was just the New Kids on the Block of her island. Clara Schumann is OK as a composer, but not in the league of her husband, and her forte was the concert, not the composing. And indeed she was one of the top acts of her day, a child prodigy and perhaps the most famous performer of her age, and someone who radically changed the piano - she was a performer, not a composer - and there has never been a doubt about women being able to perform.
And so you list those off, do I need to do the "I only did the Mozart because people know him, but could have said: (oh hell, just look at the wiki list and count the women)".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers
Madonna, who I love, is unique, who else is in that class? Who else (among women) does what she does. Writes, produces, does the merch, the dance routine, the routing, and cashes the checks too --- she is large and in charge (anyone who doubts that should have seen her 3, count 'em 3 helicopter arrival at Coachilla a few years ago, the stuff of rock legend). Cher and Babs don't write or produce, and have 'people' who do all that other stuff for them. Brittney was on the track till she fell into the ditch.
Joan Baez, has written a few OK songs, but Dylan she ain't - which is why she still does Dylan songs, and he does not do any of hers. She is a great singer, perhaps one of the best ever, but no one doubted that women could sing. Bonnie Raitt is about as good a guitar slinger as has ever been, but after her, who else? She pretty much stands alone as a girl who can play with the best from Jerry Garcia to Carlos, to Stevie Ray Vaughan. I saw her last week sit in on a Steve Miller show and just spank him on Mercury Blues. But I'm at a loss as to what other women could have followed her. Joan Jett rocks steady for sure, but its not all that technical. I can't think of another woman who can play at the same level as Bonnie, but I can think of a dog pile of guys who can. (Though Susan Tedeschi is moving into range.)
Joni Mitchell is the exception, as they say, the proves the rule. Her carer in both writing as well as performance is the stuff of legend. I'm not all that hot on the early stuff like Blue which is way too folk for me, but the ten years after Court and Spark where she wrote and recorded Dog Eat Dog, Wild Things Run Fast, Shadows And Light, Mingus, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Hejira and The Hissing Of Summer Lawns is almost one of the most perfect runs in pop music. And that stuff is complex, both in music as well as the lyrics.
No regrets Coyote
We just come from such different sets of circumstance
I'm up all night in the studios
And you're up early on your ranch
You'll be brushing out a brood mare's tail
While the sun is ascending
And I'll just be getting home with my reel to reel...
There's no comprehending
Just how close to the bone and the skin and the eyes
And the lips you can get
And still feel so alone
And still feel related
Like stations in some relay
You're not a hit and run driver, no, no
Racing away
You just picked up a hitcher
A prisoner of the white lines on the freeway
We saw a farmhouse burning down
In the middle of nowhere
In the middle of the night
And we rolled right past that tragedy
Till we turned into some road house lights
Where a local band was playing
Locals were up kicking and shaking on the floor
And the next thing I know
That Coyote's at my door
He pins me in a corner and he won't take "No!"
He drags me out on the dance floor
And we're dancing close and slow
Now he's got a woman at home
He's got another woman down the hall
He seems to want me anyway
Why'd you have to get so drunk
And lead me on that way
You just picked up a hitcher
A prisoner of the white lines of the freeway
I looked a Coyote right in the face
On the road to Baljennie near my old home town
He went running thru the whisker wheat
Chasing some prize down
And a hawk was playing with him
Coyote was jumping straight up and making passes
He had those same eyes - just like yours
Under your dark glasses
Privately probing the public rooms
And peeking thru keyholes in numbered doors
Where the players lick their wounds
And take their temporary lovers
And their pills and powders to get them thru this passion play
No regrets, Coyote
I just get off up aways
You just picked up a hitcher
A prisoner of the white lines on the freeway
Coyote's in the coffee shop
He's staring a hole in his scrambled eggs
He picks up my scent on his fingers
While he's watching the waitresses' legs
He's too far from the Bay of Fundy
& From Appaloosas and Eagles and tides
And the air conditioned cubicles
And the carbon ribbon rides
Are spelling it out so clear
Either he's going to have to stand and fight
Or take off out of here
I tried to run away myself
To run away and wrestle with my ego
And with this flame
You put here in this Eskimo
In this hitcher
In this prisoner
Of the fine white lines
Of the white lines on the free, free way
That stuff on the Dylan level. Even Dylan admits it- and he don't admit much.
"I once believed that I possessed creative talent, but I have given up this idea; a woman must not desire to compose — there has never yet been one able to do it. Should I expect to be the one?"
—Clara Schumann at 20.
Quote from: Nichole on April 21, 2008, 06:18:34 PM
To press a point I've made elsewhere: guys? Give me a trans man.
Nichole
I disagree.... i cant see how trans guys are any different to normal ones....
thats like the old routine of 'transwomen are so much more feminine than real women'
R >:D
You disagree with MY preference? You're entitled to your own. My choice isn't political nor does it have anything to do with transsexuality and stereotypes, Rach.
It has to do with my experience of people. By the same token I could say you only want a straight-guy because.... But, that would be truly ridiculous, wouldn't it?
___________________________________________________________________________
Quote"I once believed that I possessed creative talent, but I have given up this idea; a woman must not desire to compose — there has never yet been one able to do it. Should I expect to be the one?"
—Clara Schumann at 20.
Ah, nice to see a reply. I like your arguments, tekla. I agree pretty much with what you say. Seemed a bit harsh of JB, but she ain't Dylan, that's true.
The Schumann quote is a good one, but I'm wondering if it doesn't clinch my point a bit more? She resigned because 'it wasn't done and hadn't been done.'
I think the jumping off point is social pressure for certain areas to be male or female. I think as time goes along and the society changes more you'll see women who risk, like Joni Mitchell has run risks, like Madonna has done.
Will there ever be another Mozart? Who knows, there wasn't much of one with the one we had. Such a short life. I suppose that those very hot fires are that way though, they consume themselves before they can burn for very long.
Nichole
Oh if I sounded harsh about Joan I sure didn't mean to. I was just implying that like Clara she was far more of a performer than a composer. Joan is not only one of the best voices ever recorded - those Vanguard records sessions from the early 60s are still chilling - a fantastic performer with true charisma and a wonderful relationship with her audience, a survivor who has put together a 40 year carer in pop music (that like 398 dog years) she is also one of the few people I deeply and truly respect. That Joan is a real champion of the Peace Movement, Civil Rights and Social Justice - which is hitting the trifecta with me - she has done it from the beginning never wavering. Never changed the cut of her politics to fit the fashion of the season, which to me is beyond awesome and speaks to something approaching true integrity. And in our current world integrity is about as rare as dignity.
Thanks for the explanation, but it really wasn't necessary. Although I agree about her as a performer rather than a writer and ground-breaker with someone who has survived and thrived and whose voice has always chilled me with its range and beauty I wrote 'harsh' when I should have said 'stark.'
Stark can still be true, and you were definitely perceiving what is there, I admit.
You think you could address that last bit in my last to next post, please. I'd love your take on that. Really. The Clara Schumann bits.
Intelligent conversations with men are quite enjoyable. *smile*
N~
Quote from: Nichole on April 22, 2008, 09:09:58 AM
You disagree with MY preference? You're entitled to your own. My choice isn't political nor does it have anything to do with transsexuality and stereotypes, Rach.
It has to do with my experience of people. By the same token I could say you only want a straight-guy because.... But, that would be truly ridiculous, wouldn't it?
My appologies, i assumed you were suggesting transmen somehow differ personality wise to natal men, something a LOT of m2fs belive, which sickens me...
and i want a straight bloke, because funnily, im a straight girl!
wheres the ridiculous in that? :P
straight bloke can be cis or trans, im not arsed...
R >:D
Quote from: Rachael on April 22, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
and i want a straight bloke, because funnily, im a straight girl!
wheres the ridiculous in that? :P
For me there is none. However, there are people who would finish that sentence with 'because you are a gay-male who just wants to lure straight-guys.'
Now, THAT would be ridiculous wouldn't it?
What I was replying to was your presumption that I held a particular view due to particularly 'trans' reasons.
I've met trans men who were total ->-bleeped-<-s as well. And cis males, straight, who were simply fascinating and intelligent, to be desired if i had that desire.
But, a larger percentage of the trans men I do know are good guys than is the percentage of cis guys I know. Voila, experience, not assumption.
N~
Certainly the experience of being born into a gender role that doesn't fit you will have consequenses on your personality, won't it? Even the country you're born in tends to affect how you act, so why not gender?
(Of course there's a difference between broad cultural tendencies and stereotypes.)
Re: What do you like and dislike the most about the opposite gender?
Men with BO...
Quote from: Berliegh on April 22, 2008, 05:22:18 PM
Re: What do you like and dislike the most about the opposite gender?
Men with BO...
ROFL ;D I second that!
tink :icon_chick:
Quote from: Alyssa M. on April 22, 2008, 04:50:12 PM
Certainly the experience of being born into a gender role that doesn't fit you will have consequenses on your personality, won't it? Even the country you're born in tends to affect how you act, so why not gender?
(Of course there's a difference between broad cultural tendencies and stereotypes.)
Because i personally, and a lot of m2f women view the m2f are 'more feminine', 'more apreciative and desperate', and 'know how to pleasure a man, because we once were one'.
Those are thing that get said about m2fs, and has us all up in arm. I certainly dont think being trans makes me anything different to my peers. I just think one has to be careful when those statements are made thesedays... Innocent statements such as nicoles can end up sounding quiet offensive without thier intention.
R >:D
I'm female
LOVE about men: strength, courage, knowledge, physical ability, humor, rationality.
HATE about men: bossiness, control freak, super huge ego, selfishness, inability to communicate, lack of empathy, inflexible.
Quote from: Rachael on April 23, 2008, 01:20:14 AM
Innocent statements such as Nichole's can end up sounding quiet offensive without their intention.
Uh-huh. And I think that who
hears what they 'sound' like makes a HUGE difference? For instance
"All women are sluts." I think that sounds and reads offensively. So do scads of women I know and have known. Yet, I have known a few women, one in a class I was in last night, who do believe that "we seduce men unfairly in order to use them, since men have such an uncontrollable sex-drive."
I'm pretty sure that she'd remove herself, her daughters and her mother from that all-encompassing dictum. So "All women but four are sluts!" I still find that offensive, maybe more than the other.
It wasn't what I said, Rach, it was the subtext you added to what I said that made the statement 'sound quite offensive.' A lot of innocent statements get 'heard' by others who have added their own peeves and prejudices to those statements. Not all the time, of course, but sometimes anyhow.
Question is, I suppose, if I am offended at the way I read something you write, but didn't mean the way I read it, do you still owe me an apology? :)
N~
Female.
I dislike: How some men are just very unclean. Ugh! I hate messes and I hate people that just don't care of themselves!
I LOVE: The caring nature a man has for a woman. The way he holds her when she sleeps. *melt*
I'm gonna give it a go :o :o :D :D
Male.
I like everythin 'bout gils but sometimes they gossip to much :D :D :D
Guy here.
What I like about girls: Tend to be empathetic and truly caring (ie: more emotional focused, than physically focused). Don't display social aggression (ie: pick fights). Aren't afraid to wear their hearts on their sleeves. Can multi-task (oh...how I envy that). Usually smell sooooo good. Tend to be loyal to a fault. Sensuality... most women are just sexy and don't even TRY. Tend to have a vested interest in fairness for everyone. Oh...I like how most girls are neat/clean. I could ramble on here about all the little things I like...
What I dislike about girls: Tend to be bitchy/accusatory towards men (perhaps because of how some guys treat/treated them). Tend to be clingy (emotionally and physically). Wear too much make-up...lipstick is good, but anything else is BLEH. Tend to be afraid to be more dominant, sexually. The only ones that seem to hit on me are jailbait or old enough to be my mom. SHOPPING...I hate it.
In regards to the previous discussion about transguys and bioguys, I think there's definitely a difference, just as I think there's a big difference between transgirls and genetic girls. It's not that we're more masculine or feminine, but rather, our struggles with our own identities and our introspection has made us wiser/more mature, in my opinion, than your average genetic male or female. That's why I love transgirls...they've experienced things genetic girls have not and they've learned from it and had to overcome something most people never have to even think about. They don't take life for granted. It makes them a stronger person and that's definitely a very attractive trait for any woman to have. All in my opinion, of course.
I'm a girl.
Where to begin.... I like how physically strong men are, I like the physical differences, but I also like when men treat me like a woman. I also love the way that men are built, their shoulders... the way that their center of gravity gives them a little spring in their walk, and also the way that men tend to easily forgive the little things.
I don't like when some men presume to be in control when in fact they're more scared than I am. I don't like when some male clerks assume that I don't know anything about car parts, sports, and the like just because I'm a woman.
I don't like when some male clerks assume that I don't know anything about car parts, sports, and the like just because I'm a woman.
I always find that not only annoying, but pretty out-of-it. I know a few girls who love their cars, and lots of women are into sports. Basketball in particular, but I know a few baseball nuts and several girls who love the NFL, or NASCAR. Title IX not only produced a generation now of outstanding female jocks, its created a lot of fans too.
Female.
I like men because they are men ;) most importantly for their chivalry, their physical strength, their desire to "rescue" me.
I don't like men when they get violent towards women.
I'll say female (M2F):
What I like about males
- Fixing things that are broke
- Being in control of most things as long as you're not a jack-ass.
What I dislike about males (This is why I don't use the men's room anymore)
All the posters make good points.
- They rape women when they say "no"
- Homicidal tendencies
- Lack of respect for women--I know some men that do that.
- Acting like jackasses.
- baggy clothes, but I vomit if their "butt crack" is exposed.
- bossiness
- control freak
- selfishness
- inability to communicate
- lack of empathy
But on the other hand, I might as well what I like about F2M's...
What I like about F2M's
- The strength and courage that he was one a woman
- Physical appearance
What I dislike about F2M's (That makes me sad)
# bossiness
# control freak
# selfishness
Sounds a lot like most of my male friends 'exs also.
By the way, I know lots of girls who can fix things, and most guys I know can't.
QuoteI don't like when some male clerks assume that I don't know anything about car parts, sports, and the like just because I'm a woman.
What I do not like about clerks is that they know very little about what they sell. That is why they are only clerks.
im a dude. :)
what i like about girls:
curves
legs that go on forever
(generally) more accepting of differences
what i dont like:
(sometimes) bitchy
scary as hell when mad
stupid head games
Quote from: Ava Nieves on February 11, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
I'll say female (M2F):
What I like about males
- Fixing things that are broke
- Being in control of most things as long as you're not a jack-ass.
What I dislike about males (This is why I don't use the men's room anymore)
All the posters make good points.
- They rape women when they say "no"
- Homicidal tendencies
- Lack of respect for women--I know some men that do that.
- Acting like jackasses.
- baggy clothes, but I vomit if their "butt crack" is exposed.
- bossiness
- control freak
- selfishness
- inability to communicate
- lack of empathy
But on the other hand, I might as well what I like about F2M's...
What I like about F2M's
- The strength and courage that he was one a woman
- Physical appearance
What I dislike about F2M's (That makes me sad)
So are f2ms a different sex to male?
and why is them sounding like guys a bad thing? and thier physical apearance is different?
thats like saying someone likes m2fs because they sound like men, they dont pass, and they were once men... I dont quite feel that sentiment is.... erm, fair... here.
and WOW... half the bad things about guys?
They rape women if they say no? a minority
they are disrespectful to woman? a minority
bossyness? controll freak? only as much as either sex.
homicidal tendancies? um, ok...
Quote from: lisagurl on February 11, 2009, 07:27:05 PM
What I do not like about clerks is that they know very little about what they sell. That is why they are only clerks.
why put the effort into knowing? not like anyone's going to thank you or think better of you for it.
Actually they will....
precicely the attitutde aluded to though, thanks for an awesome example Pika.
you prepared to learn all about tea and coffee for a job you are in for 3 months that pays you less then your rent, has no opportunity for advancement and in a company on the verge (now in) administration?
As usual I picked up information, 'cos I am a sponge like that and after a month could answer questions the manager couldn't. But I wasn't going to make a special effort.
you had to LEARN about caffine products? gosh.... thats like my favourite subject. :D
I am male
I hate that a lot of females dislike guys because of stereotypes and apply those stereotypes to guys that do not fit them...or make generalizations based upon those stereotypes.
I like women because they are women. In fact, I love women. Women are amazing people. They're smart, nurturing, they smell good (even when they're sweaty), they have beautiful bodies, they're soft, they're good problem solvers, they tend to be better teachers (in my experience)...mmm women, the world would be so dry and boring without them.
I do my best to be a friend to everyone male or female. Even if most of them are a pain in the @$$. Both have good and bad qualities and so do I. I just happen to have several qualities of both. :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
I am a Mr., not a Miss, as indicated by my username. Everything that follows is a generalization that does not always apply
Likes: Usually more apt to be empathetic and express their feelings, they will take things seriously, more mature, better fashion sense and hair, all around better and more intelligent than most men; most of these things apply to me too, so as said above, not necessarily woman things
Dislikes: More eager to please with lower self-esteem, do too much of the work (fulltime job and take care of the kids and cook the meals and do the chores; how about you get Mr. Lazy to pick up some of the slack?), internalized sexism (she works and she has kids? What a bad mother!; actually, this category pretty much summarizes all my other complaints; the girls I know without this problem are even awesomer than those with it), judgemental about other women's clothing and sex choices ("She should cover herself up" "That slut deserves to be pregnant with an STD"), love of "chivalry"
Dang, that list of dislikes looks longer, but it's really because I used examples. Altogether, I prefer women to men (although not sexually).
Female here of course
Likes about Men:
Strength
Height( over 6' ) But not a requirement.
Broad Shoulders
The Nice Smell of them
Caring for That One Special Woman
Being the Head of Household.
Dislikes about Men:
Obsessive about Sports
Talking down to Women
Violence towards Women
The Bad Smell of them
Controlling Narcissistic Jack Asses
Janet
Male
What like about some women
*Gentle
*Kind
*mature (some anyways)
*Strong willed
What dislike about some Women
*Prissy
*Materialistic
*Think can get away with things
*Fuss to much
Female
Dislike: That they wear their male privilege like a crown, and expect to be served.
Like: That they feel attracted, but wait for a sign.
I just don't like gender stereotypes. I honestly made of list of things I don't like about women, but I realized I was just thinking of a modern cheeleader-ish archetype but was able to find these same traits in men, just expressed with different language, clothing, gesticulations, etc.
Edit:
Fine! I think most typically girly music sucks.
Well... I tend to take people on their own merits, male or female.
But, I guess at a push, I would say that guys have a more straightforward, direct way of thinking, and I both like and dislike that for different reasons.
Quote from: chrysalis on February 17, 2009, 04:41:34 AM
I just don't like gender stereotypes. I honestly made of list of things I don't like about women, but I realized I was just thinking of a modern cheeleader-ish archetype but was able to find these same traits in men, just expressed with different language, clothing, gesticulations, etc.
Edit:
Fine! I think most typically girly music sucks.
I concur (well, maybe not on the edit; I do listen to Prince)
What I like about men:
The way some (!) play football (soccer).
They can be very funny.
That's about it ;)
I'm a crossdressing male so let me think about this. Females: Likes: Frienship, most girl things. Dislikes: Shopping for hours to only but one or two items. Men: Likes: Beer drinking and fishing partners. Dislikes: Machismo attitudes,
and talking about football for hours or days.
HMMMMMMMMMMM........
gender-male
hmmmmmmmm...
what i like about women is that most can be understanding
what i do not like-drama causing creatures(but sometimes i like drama,, so that could be for both)....hehe
Women, well I love being a woman for the many different qualities that I have come to embrace through the years and could not be pried from my cold, dead withered fingers.
Men, or women I get along well with both, I get along with anyone, including their pets.
Cindy
Im a woman
I like men who are still chivalrous, gentle, understanding, listen and know how to treat a girl.
I dislike men who are rude and dismissive of ''women likes'' shopping etc.
Don't mention bathroom habits ugh!
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What I dislike most about men is they are too LOUD. The whole blessed world doesn't need to hear what sandwich you are ordering or what game you watched last night.
What I do like is they can fix stuff and i can't. (I know I know, that's not stirictly a gender thing, but still, men are better fixers for the most part, yes?)
Hi Stealthgrrl you are quite right, I can't fix some things like I use to, I think it's what is called a difference in muscle mass. I can still fix little things but I prefer to tinker with stuff more then fix, that's called attention span.
Yea don't care for listening to all that sports stuff, never did. At least among women it is just a short discussion, unless it's about the hunks that play the sports. :D
Yea I agree with the bathroom stuff Pretty Pauline. Unless you are talking about public washrooms, "yuk!" sometimes I'm afraid I am going to catch some kind of disease just opening a stall door in the ladies room.
Well I do have my sweety but there are times I day dream about a chivalrous gentleman like you describe. Wing Walker knows that but she knows it's just a fantasy like I want to be Little Mermaid, or Tinkerbell. ;D
Cindy
Male, but I want to do more than one. And I will say that the qualities I like and dislike will not be found in every person of that category, it's what I look for/don't look for in a person I would be friends (or more) with.
Females
Likes: They way they smell (as long as it's not heavy perfume, ew), empathy, curves, legs, strength of personality, when they stand up for themselves it's amazing, when they aren't afraid to like "typically male things", often are caretakers, the way they dance, more accepting
Dislikes: Not standing up for themselves, PMS (but I feel sorry for them as I've been through it), when they don't use their brains even though they have good ones because they think some men find it attractive, MIND GAMES, materialistic, too much make up, when they still think of me as female in my relationships with them (happens in the lesbian community)
Males
Likes: Shoulders, chests, nerdy hobbies, aren't afraid of bodily functions, they smell good (as long as they're using deodorant and not over using cologne), often have surprising aspects about their personality hidden somewhere that you have to delve for, toned muscles
Dislikes: when they're aware of male privilege and aren't using it to help an oppressed group, jackassery, when they abuse others (not just women!), can't think about more than one thing at a time, late to mature, shallow, aren't as accepting of me even though I want to be a part of their activities and fit in with them
Androgynes:
Likes: Quirky, not afraid to "break the rules", when they dress androgynously it's pretty hot, often nerdy, often have complex views on life, the universe and everything, intriguing in general
Dislikes: Haven't found any yet because I meet so few of them.
THIS WAS WAY HARDER THAN I ANTICIPATED.
Male.
What I like about females: They are soft, fragile looking, emotional, most of them are romantic, Maternal, Sensitive, Basically they make me want to protect them and comfort them.
What I dislike about females: They confuse me to no end and always make me think "Does she like me or not?" They love revenge, you know what they are just plain right down confusing. lol.
Female
I like the way men are very protective of women they know in the way a big brother would be; the way they do DIY and help with the dirty 'manly' jobs around the house.
I dislike the way men objectify women; the way they stand to pee and get it everywhere; the way they are uncomfortable showing their emotions and feelings; the way they don't listen to women or trust their knowledge.
I am Male.
sigh...females...
I like how they look, they speak, they dance (even when they can't dance...its cute). I also love how they feel no shame in crying in public, that there not afraid of showing there emotions.
I dislike all the gossip, the verbal fights and how over-emotional girls can be. Everythings way more complicated when talking to woman. Something I say in a totally good nature means something totally different to my female friends. And they can be SO oblivious to how beautiful they are. Its really deppressing when I see a totally beautiful curvy chick beating herself up cuz she aint as skinny as her friends.
Male What I like about women is they are careing, sweet, understanding (well most I know are), they give the sweetest tenderess kisses I have known, and some other things I can't put my finger on at the moment. What I don't like is when they ask me what I want for dinner and I tell em idk and I don't care as long as it don't bite back and I get told "well your helpful", when they lie, when they act like something is wrong and I should somehow know what it is and I don't and they get mad about it, when they wear overpowering perfume, when they tease (place your rating on that one), when they talk waaay too much and say like in every other word then it just gets annoying.
I'm a chick.
What I dislike about men: farting. Yes, farting. I do not want to be around you when you fart. WHY do you fart even when there's another person in the room with you? Whhhhhhhyyyyyyyy.
Female
I love their strength and their determination and their protective nature.
I hate their overbearing, dominant nature, or how they can treat things we feel are important as trivial... I hate feeling like I am being "humored" because my frustration or anger is "cute" to them. I hate feeling like they think I am an idiot who doesn't know what I am talking about when I actually do.
They aren't all like that, of course, but a lot of them are.
Quote from: JoeyD on March 15, 2012, 01:53:45 AM
I'm a chick.
What I dislike about men: farting. Yes, farting. I do not want to be around you when you fart. WHY do you fart even when there's another person in the room with you? Whhhhhhhyyyyyyyy.
Was that directed towards someone specific? XD
Quote from: Jayr on March 15, 2012, 05:40:18 AM
Was that directed towards someone specific? XD
Possibly.
What are you going to do about it.
Female
Likes: Their protective nature of us
Dislikes: Everything else, pretty much... lol ;D
Quote from: JoeyD on March 15, 2012, 01:53:45 AM
What I dislike about men: farting. Yes, farting. I do not want to be around you when you fart. WHY do you fart even when there's another person in the room with you? Whhhhhhhyyyyyyyy.
IKR! :D When your in bed and they give you a Dutch oven that's the worst. :eusa_sick:
I hate how guys will cheat on a girl they say they love and talk about it with their buddies like it was an accomplishment. ::)
I hate how guys say they love you when really they don't mean it. </3
There's no opposite gender. I'm neutrois so there's no true opposite gender for me-but even for binary-gendered people, the idea of the 'opposite gender' is a fallacy. Way too many different genders for there to be an opposite!
I am male.
What I like about females: soft, can be sensitive yet aggressive-as Spike Spiegal says, "I love the type of woman that can kick my ass.", I like the nurtring soul in a woman that has only the best interest for you, romantic, more concerning and intrinsic, can sense whats wrong easier, a "motherly" instinct.
Dislike: Being indecisive, shark week, being TOO sensitive, demanding, bossy, critical etc.
Of course some but certainly not all females are this way.
Men : Also dislike the farting, definitely in my top 5 hates or pet peeves about men :) Also with many males, they have an inability to 'talk' about their emotions, let alone show them at times. With men Romance means 'sex', hmm. Men who also often regard women as unable to multi-task, and complain about us talking too much. (nagging), men who believe women are unable to do many of the same jobs as men, or are not as good as them. You try and show some concern for a males friends welfare, some thing that might be affecting him at that time, you get the reply "oh here we go !" :D
Malachite, you know me so well lol ~.o
I have found that the things I thought I disliked about the average male tend to be things that make the average male a better partner.
I am a boy
Likes - I love the soft skin, there voices, I keel over when women are cute. I really like women who are caring.
Dislike - how some women are really insecure of there bodies. Mood swings. Women who swear constantly.
Male.
Nothing. People are just people. I don't buy into "women do this" or "men do this". I dislike the stereotypes that are placed on genders.
I don't like guys who fart! I don't like guys who get too drunk! I don't like guys who smell of BO! I don't like guys who are rude to women! I don't like guys who just talk about themselves! I don't like guys who spit on the pavement (sidewalk)!
I am trying to decide what the opposite gender is. Right now I am half way from one to the other. I am not sure I have an opposite.
"I love the type of woman that can kick my ass.", I like the nurtring soul in a woman that has only the best interest for you, romantic, more concerning and intrinsic, can sense whats wrong easier, a "motherly" instinct.
Most of the women who can do the first thing lack all the qualities that follow. The women I know who can kick my ass are not 'motherly' in any sort of romantic or concerning way, they are motherly like a Catholic Mother Superior - General Patton in a nun's costume. That not to say that they are not good moms, in fact I think that attitude works better in the long run, but they are not the 'Oh there there, what's wrong Johnny?' types. And they sure don't nurture, they drive children (theirs and others) like a cattle baron heading for Dodge City.
Never mind gender, I do not like people acting like '->-bleeped-<-s' i.e. "too good to die", like they "can walk on water", are "perfect" and unforgiving bitches/bastards, etc.
You do find such in either gender. Now do we have to figure out what constitutes an '->-bleeped-<-' in yet more detail?
THAT could be material for still another thread...
Axélle
Quote from: Axélle-Michélle on April 03, 2012, 11:57:17 AM
Now do we have to figure out what constitutes an '->-bleeped-<-' in yet more detail?
THAT could be material for still another thread...
Having a bad day?
;D
My wife is very much a pretty cis girl with very Nordic features, but she is not a "girly girl" has probably only worn a real dress three times in her life, wears mostly the "layered" look from Eddie Baur, does not wear pink but loves purple tie-dye, and I love every bit of that in her ;)
but I also love the girls who dress up in more traditional girl fashions...pretty much all women are beautiful in their own personal way in my book...:)
(as far as males go, I am not attracted to them, but get along fine with them)
I dont really consider girls "opposite gender" as terms and labels get a bit mixed up in our situations.
here is a "cut & paste" I just ran across :)
Women don't have to:
be thin
have a vagina
give birth
cook for you
have long hair
wear makeup
have sex with you
be feminine
be graceful
shave
diet
be fashionable
wear pink
love men
be the media's idea of perfection
listen to your bull->-bleeped-<-
I love that women generally feel free to express the full range of their emotions, but I hate the drama that it can cause.
I hate when girls make fun of how i dance, it's not manly lol. grr..
Male
About women.....
Likes: Gentle caring love, emotional depth, graceful presence
Dislikes: Expecting you to be all-knowing about their feelings (at all times), silent treatments/cold shoulder when you don't, male height preoccupied