I have read some puzzling data here from some of the other ladies about what sizes they wear. I want to gather more data on body types to make sense of the sizes that fit us.
My weight: 171# (77.5 kg)
Height: 5'10" (178 cm)
Waist: 34.5" (87.6 cm)
Dress size: US Misses 14? or L? (or might it be 12 and M now?)
I weighed 171 yesterday, though that has been going steadily downward since I've been on a diet the past two months, and have just dropped about 17 pounds in that time. My next weigh-in should be even less as the trend continues. So my size probably ought to be changing too. My height is 5'10", which means my BMI is now down into the normal range, overweight no more. :)
My dress size has been 14 for over a year, but size 14 or L fit me before I began dieting. The last time I bought clothes, a couple weeks ago, I got a size M skirt at Coldwater Creek and it's kind of snug but still fits me OK. Last winter, though, before I started dieting, I weighed in the upper 180s and size L in another Coldwater Creek skirt was too big on me, so I got M. So it's hard to know what to expect from them until you try it on.
Anyway, my size 14 dresses still fit me pretty well. But I had a skirt suit tailored to my measurements last fall when I was a fatty and now the skirt needs to be taken in at the waist. My waist has gone down from 37 to 34.5 or less by now. I started dieting because I wanted to become able to zip into a special slinky dress for a ball the other week, which I was too big for when I got it (even though the label said L), so after taking off enough pounds I fit it nicely in time for the ball. :)
I'm amazed at the sylphs and pixies around here who say they have similar height and weight as me, but wear teeny tiny sizes in the single digits. I just want to know--how do you do it?
QuoteI'm amazed at the sylphs and pixies around here who say they have similar height and weight as me, but wear teeny tiny sizes in
the single digits. I just want to know--how do you do it?
LOL... I'd love to be a pixie... and some day I plan to be. :)
I started the middle of last summer cutting back on calories, I set a goal to get to 160lbs before I would let myself start HRT.
I had gotten pretty big and I've worn a size 32 mens jean and weighed 185 for the last few years. Most of my fat was
typical male abdomen/chest/back fat. I never had a beer belly but I was round. I dropped 25 pounds and I still had a
small belly at 160 but that has magically moved to my thighs and rear and my tummy is flat now even though I've only
lost another 5 pounds. I've worked really hard to maintain lower body muscle and strength but have not trained my
upper body at all. I bicycle and weight train the lower body by mostly doing squats.
But how is my size so different than yours at 5-10? I think your bone structure is just larger. You have similar "meat"
on your frame but it's just spread over a larger area. My wrists are 6.25 which I think translates to a mens small frame.
I know my under bust measurement is 34.5"... about the size of your waist and my waist is down to just over 30".
I recently had to move to a mens small shirt from the muscle loss. Most people can gauge their frame size based on how
much they weighed when they reached their maximum height... I was 15 when I reached 5-10 and I weighed just over
115 lbs... and I wore a 26" jeans that's pretty small for a male. Three years after that and after a lot of muscle
development I weighed 130 lbs and wore a size 27" jeans. I did not get to 30" until I was around 35 and that
is when I went from around 150 pounds to 185.
I've always been an exerciser and prior to my weight loss I was riding about 100 miles a week on my road bike but I was
eating easily 3500-4500 calories a day. But it was fairly good calories, no sweets and I watched the carbs.
And even at 185 I had a fairly low body fat percentage. All I had to do was reduce my calories to a more reasonable
number and watch the protein and carbs and I lost 25 pounds over about 6 months. I'm still really muscular :( (only 3 mo HRT) up
top and muscle weighs a lot more than fat but takes up less space.
I think I've said in other threads... weight and height are not things I worry about as far a passing... face, nose, body shape
are and I can't change those without surgery. I plan to get to drop my weight to around 135 or so and I can do that myself...
everything else costs money.
I'm not going to leave this photo up for long but here is me at 155... not very female looking at all but you can see how
big my thighs are... there is a LOT of muscle under the female type layer of fat that makes them more rounded. I
wish I had before pics... the transformation is amazing.
Picture removed for privacy reasons :)
I'm not sure if any of this will help but there ya go :)
Amanda
The pic Looks like a thin bloke? .......my lower body shape is much the same..
Berliegh dear... you will not upset me by saying things like that... I get that you
do not agree with a lot I have to say but I'm going to say them and I'm not
going anywhere :)
And... it's all relative... before it was a very muscular defined bloke lol... now it's a softly padded
bloke... and it makes me happy... self acceptance is wonderful, if I could just get to that
point in other areas I'd be a happy girl :)
Amanda
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 22, 2008, 04:57:58 PM
Berliegh dear... you will not upset me by saying things like that... I get that you
do not agree with a lot I have to say but I'm going to say them and I'm not
going anywhere :)
And... it's all relative... before it was a very muscular defined bloke lol... now it's a softly padded
bloke... and it makes me happy... self acceptance is wonderful, if I could just get to that
point in other areas I'd be a happy girl :)
Amanda
I see where you are coming from Amanda.........I didn't see any photographs of you from your past. If you had pic that looked like a girls butt and hips I would definitely say wow!
All I know I'm constantly fighting to try and get some kind a female fat distribution and not succeeding. I wasn't wanting to be critical of you , more the frustration of the whole transitional process...
QuoteI wasn't wanting to be critical of you , more the frustration of the whole transitional process...
I understand completely Berliegh, but I feel like it's being critical and I hope you understand when
I react to that. I'm glad to have your experience around and I totally share your frustration. :)
Amanda
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 22, 2008, 05:23:21 PM
QuoteI wasn't wanting to be critical of you , more the frustration of the whole transitional process...
I understand completely Berliegh, but I feel like it's being critical and I hope you understand when
I react to that. I'm glad to have your experience around and I totally share your frustration. :)
Amanda
Unfortunitely in forums you not allowed to see things as they really are or say what you really see....and it's a constant battle to put something across which isn't meant to be critical but at the same time it is what you actually see. My friend who is another TS rips me apart on a regular basis and I used to think she was an awful ** but she is usually absolutely right and puts my feet on the ground and points out the things that are really not working with me. We have a tendancy to say 'oh you look amazing darling to each other' but we know that's not really true. I don't like being negative but at the same time I find it hard not to say what I see....
If I posted a pic of my lower body and someone said 'you look like a bloke' I'd say your right so what can I do about it....I have no dillusions which becomes a headache for my endocrinologist...
Hi I thought I would chime in, as I have been on hormones for 7 months now & have been going FT as of a couple of weeks ago. I have been slowly building my wardrobe trying to find what works best for me & my body type. It definitely takes time to figure out your OWN style void of your family & friend's opinions. For instance, my mother & sister are much more conservative in alot of the clothing they wear than I am, however we have different body types as females so we can't all have the same style. Clothing shouldn't be your identity but let's face it in 2008 your image & how you dress & portray yourself to the world is quite important. I have always loved fashion it allows you to express yourself and enhance who you are as a person.
My stats are as follows:
***Height:5'8.5 feet (Used to be just over 5'9 about 2 years ago...now for some reason I have measured numerous times & I'm 5'8.5 - maybe I'm shrinking :o fine by me!)
***Weight: 155 - 160 depending on if I am working out a couple days a week (don't step on the scale often)
***Waist: 27.5 inches
***Bust: 34.5 inches (still an A-cup at this stage)
***Hips: 41 inches
***Shoe Size: 10 US (sometimes 11US in certain styles/makes)
***Dress Size: 6, 8 (sometimes 10 if it's snug in the backside area)
<img src="http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7/hpim2829cropyv0.jpg">
{Here is a recent pic - I was just trying clothes on - wasn't going anywhere so the look is not complete...the only thing about this pic I dislike is it makes my small boobs look even more non-existent :P}
I have a pretty curvy figure so I have to be catious of certain fashion "do's" & "dont's" but it's ok because I think the female figure is gorgeous. I have always been attracted to males sexually, never towards females but I appreciate the beauty of curvy women. I think the waif thin model look is so un-feminine & unattractive. Very few men I have encountered in my life prefer thin girls over those with a curvy, womanly figure. The funny thing is that I had this basic figure before I ever started HRT. I have had it all my life. As a young child I was kinda chubby but I grew up my bottom half stayed larger than the top half and I was never an atheletic type to play any sports or anything. HRT has helped me gain an inch or so in my hips & loose an inch or so in my waist. That's about it so far.
Finding clothes can sometimes be challenging because I'm two totally different sizes on the bottom & top. I just usually go for things that are gathered tightly at the waist. Once my bust grows a little more or I opt for breast augmentation down the road, empire waist tops & dresses will be becoming on me. At this time they look slightly awkard with only an A-cup. Suprisingly I have found it MUCH easier to find dressy clothes & looks. Finding "everyday wear" has presented more of a challenge. But that again is ok because my career tends to be a "dressier" one.
I'm interested to know more people's measurements/stats & clothing options.
Height: 5'11" - ugh I wish I wasn't so tall!!!!
Weight: 145 - which looks GREAT on my height and body stature =] I am really happy with my weight.
Waist: 30" - again, I am really happy with this.. looks good with my body stature.
Shoe Size: Male size 11..
Size: 5
Ring Finger: 7 1/2 - My hands are actually compliment the rest of my body, and don't really make me stand out..
Overall I am happy with my body stature, as I have said a couple of times. I mean, sure there are areas that I wish were a little different. But I must accept the fact that at the moment only so much can be done. I hope that this helps to some degree =]
Oh, and sense I really have not gotten the chance to show these off to anyone.. heres my new undies, showing a bit of my hips for you ladies.. well, maybe more of my butt, but nonetheless I think they are adorable! :D
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg204.imageshack.us%2Fimg204%2F80%2Fatt00001zy3.jpg&hash=69a213b561cc28411a29847538407a8c50b1d390)
QuoteUnfortunitely in forums you not allowed to see things as they really are or say what you really see....and it's a constant battle to put something across which isn't meant to be critical but at the same time it is what you actually see. My friend who is another TS rips me apart on a regular basis and I used to think she was an awful ** but she is usually absolutely right and puts my feet on the ground and points out the things that are really not working with me. We have a tendancy to say 'oh you look amazing darling to each other' but we know that's not really true. I don't like being negative but at the same time I find it hard not to say what I see....
If I posted a pic of my lower body and someone said 'you look like a bloke' I'd say your right so what can I do about it....I have no dillusions which becomes a headache for my endocrinologist...
Well... I did not say that but I agree 100% :) But I'm also just 3 months in... I have a lot of nice changes to come so I'm not
ready to think it's not going to work wonders for me :)
Amanda
Posted on: April 22, 2008, 08:41:13 PM
Quote from: Chelsea on April 22, 2008, 06:59:11 PM
Height: 5'11" - ugh I wish I wasn't so tall!!!!
Weight: 145 - which looks GREAT on my height and body stature =] I am really happy with my weight.
Waist: 30" - again, I am really happy with this.. looks good with my body stature.
Shoe Size: Male size 11..
Size: 5
Ring Finger: 7 1/2 - My hands are actually compliment the rest of my body, and don't really make me stand out..
Overall I am happy with my body stature, as I have said a couple of times. I mean, sure there are areas that I wish were a little different. But I must accept the fact that at the moment only so much can be done. I hope that this helps to some degree =]
Oh, and sense I really have not gotten the chance to show these off to anyone.. heres my new undies, showing a bit of my hips for you ladies.. well, maybe more of my butt, but nonetheless I think they are adorable! :D
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg204.imageshack.us%2Fimg204%2F80%2Fatt00001zy3.jpg&hash=69a213b561cc28411a29847538407a8c50b1d390)
I think you look great Chelsea and I love the panties :) HRT does work :)
Amanda
Posted on: April 22, 2008, 08:44:18 PM
QuoteSo with that being said I have a pretty curvy figure so I have to be catious of certain fashion "do's" & "dont's" but it's ok because I think the female figure is gorgeous. I have always been attracted to males sexually, never towards females but I appreciate the beauty of curvy women. I think the waif thin model look is so un-feminine & unattractive. Very few men I have encountered in my life prefer thin girls other those with a curvy, womanly figure.
I agree... I appreciate the beauty of curvy women too :) ... for me I think I HAVE to lose all the boy fat and muscle and
build from there. You have amazing measurements that I'd love to have.
Amanda
Thanks Amanda for the compliment. I guess we all have our "positive" & "negative" traits as far as passing & presenting female is concerened! I'm sure we'd all love to pick & choose certain attributes but then we'd all be perfect & that doesn't exist unfortunately! :)
Any one else care to share there measurements/sizes, etc?
(BTW I finally figured out how to post pics & put one in my original post above)
5 foot 9 inches tall
170 lbs
shoe - men's 9.5, womans 11w OR 12, depends on the shoe
dress size, 10 or 12 depending on the shoulders
Medium skirt, large/ex top
Since I've slimmed down, I now have a waist-hip ratio of .84 -- which is in the high female range, but well below the male range, so that's very encouraging progress. Combined with the 38C bras I wear, it means I finally have curves! And believe me, I wear the outfits that make sure everyone knows it. I used to be mocked for my body being straight up and down--guess I showed them! ;D Living well is the best revenge.
mclova84, your WHR is really excellent, I hope I can get a figure like yours if I keep dieting and taking E. My hips are 41" too.
Quote from: Hypatia on April 22, 2008, 11:22:34 PM
Since I've slimmed down, I now have a waist-hip ratio of .84 -- which is in the high female range, but well below the male range, so that's very encouraging progress.
I just did the math on mine (ugh I hate math!!!) and my WHR is .83 - which is VERY encouraging for me as well! Granted it is high in the female range like you said, it still means I am well under way! Thank you for giving me the idea to figure that out :laugh:
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 22, 2008, 11:22:34 PM
I think you look great Chelsea and I love the panties Smiley HRT does work Smiley
Thanks Amanda! Its nice to hear someone say that :D You made my evening!!
Quote from: mclova84 on April 22, 2008, 06:35:48 PM
My stats are as follows:
***Height:5'8.5 feet (Used to be just over 5'9 about 2 years ago...now for some reason I have measured numerous times & I'm 5'8.5 - maybe I'm shrinking :o fine by me!)
***Weight: 155 - 160 depending on if I am working out a couple days a week (don't step on the scale often)
***Waist: 27.5 inches
***Bust: 34.5 inches (still an A-cup at this stage)
***Hips: 41 inches
***Shoe Size: 10 US (sometimes 11US in certain styles/makes)
***Dress Size: 6, 8 (sometimes 10 if it's snug in the backside area)
<img src="http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7/hpim2829cropyv0.jpg">
{Here is a recent pic - I was just trying clothes on - wasn't going anywhere...the only thing about this pic I dislike is it makes my small boobs look even more non-existent :P}
Really good measurements McLova84!!! I am soooo jealous!! You look AMAZING in your outfit. GORGEOUS!
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 22, 2008, 04:20:11 PM
I think I've said in other threads... weight and height are not things I worry about as far a passing... face, nose, body shape
are and I can't change those without surgery. I plan to get to drop my weight to around 135 or so and I can do that myself...
everything else costs money.
I'm not going to leave this photo up for long but here is me at 155... not very female looking at all but you can see how
big my thighs are... there is a LOT of muscle under the female type layer of fat that makes them more rounded. I
wish I had before pics... the transformation is amazing.
Amanda
I just wanted to say even without seeing your before pictures I think you look great!!! Just give it a little bit of time on the HRT and I am sure you will be even more satisfied with your results! Also - I just wanted to say that I am the same way. Its not really my height or weight that concerns me.. its my facial features mostly.. My nose, mainly.. I just need to come up with the money and wait my time out to get it done! Your BEAUTIFUL tho hun so no worries!
*kisses/hugs*
Chelsea
I like yer knickers chelsea - just bought an album by a band called candypants, and that's pretty much what they seem.
The dress I played around with was a UK20 (US16), seemed to fit nice. Think I may even have some hips naturally - I'd like less of a stomach and an actual waist, so my macho girlfriend (imaginary as yet) can put her arms round it. But it's not like I'm doing anything to achieve that, I'm far too busy.
Thanks you to Chelsea & Hypatia for the positive feedback! I appreciate the love girls!
Anyone else?
This is a very interesting thread!
:)
What I am trying to understand is, when other ladies who are approximately the same height and weight as me can wear sizes in the single digits, why can't I?
Wow mclova84... I just saw the picture... you have a very nice figure... I'm SO jealous... lol.
Can I ask how old you are and how long you've been on HRT? Did you use a corset to
get the thin waist or have you always had a small waist? I would do just about anything
to get to your shape :) :)
Hypatia... do you not think it could be the size of your skeletal frame?
QuoteI just wanted to say even without seeing your before pictures I think you look great!!! Just give it a little bit of time on the HRT and I am sure you will be even more satisfied with your results! Also - I just wanted to say that I am the same way. Its not really my height or weight that concerns me.. its my facial features mostly.. My nose, mainly.. I just need to come up with the money and wait my time out to get it done! Your BEAUTIFUL tho hun so no worries!
Thanks so much that's very sweet Chelsea :) I'm right there with you on the nose lol... mine is horrible :(
Amanda
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 23, 2008, 09:05:31 AMHypatia... do you not think it could be the size of your skeletal frame?
Could be... that's why I was asking for more data, maybe to reassure myself I'm not the only big-boned freak around here.
You may be big boned... but your hips are SO feminine.... mine are ... well... guy hips... I have
none. You may be bigger but your hip to waist ratio is almost perfect at .84. I'd trade
hips for skinny any day. :)
Amanda
My stats (all pre HRT):
Height: 5'7" (well, 5'6.5" but my DL says 5'7")
weight: 170 lbs (that's depressing)
Chest: 38"
Waist: 30"
Hips: 36"
Just for kicks I'll put in a few extras:
Thighs: 21"
Calves: 16"
Biceps: 13"
I think I'm in about a size 8 or so but I'm not completely sure.
I also have no clue how I'm supposed to weigh 170 but apparently I do.
Jeez, muscle is a lot harder to get rid of than you'd think.
Always Amanda,
Thank you for the compliment. I edited my original post because I thought it was important to note that I have always had this basic figure. I have never worn a corset & HRT helped me gain about 1/2 to 1 inch in the hips & loose an inch approximately in the waist. Now I have only been on HRT for 7 months. I started at 22 years old...I'm now 23.
I was chubby as a child and never participated in any sports and as I entered puberty in my early teens I was still carrying some "baby fat" and I never did much as far as working out or playing sports like many boys do so I never developed those muscles or traditional broad shoulder look. I began to loose the weight around 17 or so and I had this figure underneath. It's always been there - my mother & cousins, aunt, etc. all have curvy figures, as my family is Greek. It's kind of interesting because my Dad's got a very straight up & down traditional male shape and my younger sister is very busty but has taken on his more "straight up & down" figure in the rest of her body, where as me (being born genetically male) have my mom's bigger butt & wider hips. I don't know how that happened! :P
I'm not sure if there's any "scientific proof" to my theory above but it's just my observations.
Tell me about your situation....
and anyone else want to share?
Sounds like you are very lucky to be born with a wide bone structure in the hip area. It
is a very typical female difference. Good for you :)
My situation... lol... just trying to feel my way down the dark tunnel called GID.
Hey... give us a name... even if it is fake... I hate to refer to people like
mclova84... lol... it's so impersonal :)
Amanda
Yes I guess it's something your either born with or not...it's most likely due to my ethnicity...wide hips bones run in our culture.
And you will make it sweety...don't worry...the road is full of *MANY* hight & lows! :)
Just call me "Barbie" if you must, LOL I know that has a whole stigma but it truly is my nickname amongst my friends (they have always referred to me as the "Greek Barbie" since childhood...kind of an inside joke) :P, don't want to give the full name...no offense to anyone of course, just a personal preference.
Anyone want to chime in with their stats or feedback?
Quote from: Berliegh on April 22, 2008, 05:39:45 PM
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 22, 2008, 05:23:21 PM
QuoteI wasn't wanting to be critical of you , more the frustration of the whole transitional process...
I understand completely Berliegh, but I feel like it's being critical and I hope you understand when
I react to that. I'm glad to have your experience around and I totally share your frustration. :)
Amanda
Unfortunitely in forums you not allowed to see things as they really are or say what you really see....and it's a constant battle to put something across which isn't meant to be critical but at the same time it is what you actually see. My friend who is another TS rips me apart on a regular basis and I used to think she was an awful ** but she is usually absolutely right and puts my feet on the ground and points out the things that are really not working with me. We have a tendancy to say 'oh you look amazing darling to each other' but we know that's not really true. I don't like being negative but at the same time I find it hard not to say what I see....
If I posted a pic of my lower body and someone said 'you look like a bloke' I'd say your right so what can I do about it....I have no dillusions which becomes a headache for my endocrinologist...
I have known Berliegh for quite a while now and I have to agree with her on much of what she has to say. Not all but much of it. Her comments re: other forum's are correct. Soon after I began my transition, she had the pleasure of seeing a few pictures of me and she cut me to pieces. She did it with the best intentions and she was being honeat about it. That woke me up to the reality of what others might think of you if you actually look like the dogs breakfast.
I firmly believe that it is best to be honest with yourself if you expect others to accept you no matter what you are be it gender or race because if you are not, then only problems shall be a constant upon your shoulders and we dont really need that do we? :angel:
QuoteI firmly believe that it is best to be honest with yourself if you expect others to accept you no matter what you are be it gender or race because if you are not, then only problems shall be a constant upon your shoulders and we don't really need that do we?
Hi Jennifer,
Honest with myself? LOL... that is too funny. Did you read what I wrote just above the picture your commenting on?
I'll save you the trouble of looking... "not very female at all" is what I wrote. How much more honest can I get?
I try to see the positive in everyone's pictures... but I can be brutally honest... but we really don't need that do we?
Amanda
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 23, 2008, 04:51:57 PM
QuoteI firmly believe that it is best to be honest with yourself if you expect others to accept you no matter what you are be it gender or race because if you are not, then only problems shall be a constant upon your shoulders and we don't really need that do we?
Hi Jennifer,
Honest with myself? LOL... that is too funny. Did you read what I wrote just above the picture your commenting on?
I'll save you the trouble of looking... "not very female at all" is what I wrote. How much more honest can I get?
I try to see the positive in everyone's pictures... but I can be brutally honest... but we really don't need that do we?
Amanda
Hello Amanda, I was not commenting on any picture or on anything directly connected to you and I am very sorry if in some way I had annoyed you or caused you any angst. My message was to relate my thoughts Re: Berliegh and her comments and I was clear as to how I came to make them.
As for 'not very female at all', well, if I was in a position to do so, I might post a picture of my own butt but I prefer not to because my own particular issues are with what people see, i.e. my face. Some of us are blessed with faces that melt hearts whilst others send people running for cover and I count myself among the more unappealing among us at this time and the sound of my voice might dislodge even the securest of fastenings on the Brooklyn bridge.
I felt a measure of irritation in your reply and I did not want anyone to feel irritated by anything that I contribute here. I would rather withdraw completely in order to avoid conflict here but like Berliegh, I will always be honest in what I offer to this board. :(
IMHO...
There is a time and a place for brutally honest.. sometimes it gets you in trouble. You can be nice, AND be honest at the same time.. It's called TACT... its not something men seem to have in todays society.. Its something, perhaps, that needs to be in that thread about facial expressions I believe Amanda had posted?
:D *kissses/hugs*
Chelsea
I am REALLY down now.. I just weighed myself and I now weigh 157... I have NEVER weighed so much in my life :'( I am really torn about this!!!
QuoteI firmly believe that it is best to be honest with yourself if you expect others to accept you
QuoteI was not commenting on any picture or on anything directly connected to you
Oh please... you are responding about a post from Berliegh about me, saying you agree with most of what she says,
and you use the words
yourself and
you and you expect me to believe you were not directing that at me?
LOL... we don't really believe that now do we?
Amanda
Come on ladies let's not get too far off topic :P *POSTIVITY*
Anyone else care to share their measurments/stats, etc.?
Sure why not!
height: 6'1'' ~
weight: 140 pounds
waist: 28''
hips: 38''
dress size: I forgot it's been a while and things are still changing sorry :(
Quote from: shanetastic on April 23, 2008, 11:30:58 PM
Sure why not!
height: 6'1'' ~
weight: 140 pounds
waist: 28''
hips: 38''
dress size: I forgot it's been a while and things are still changing sorry :(
You are REAL thin for your height hun.. I am not saying that negatively, just letting you know my observation. I mean, I am a fat 157 and two inches shorter than you *tear*
Tho, I guess I have not SEEN you to know how it looks, so I can't judge. :-X
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 23, 2008, 09:57:09 PM
LOL... we don't really believe that now do we?
Amanda
I kind of have to agree *see previous post on the matter* It seems that both you ladies attacked Amanda. Though I don't know why, shes gorgeous! *wants her stomach*
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 23, 2008, 09:26:52 AMYou may be bigger but your hip to waist ratio is almost perfect at .84.
ahem... Almost! Perfect WHR for a woman is .70. I have a long way to go. I may not ever get all the way down to .70. But with the diet I've been losing weight on, and continuing HRT, there's hope I can someday wind up well inside the normal female range. My realistic goal is to get it down to less than .80. Ideally, women should have a waist-to-hip ratio of 0.8 or less. (http://www.annecollins.com/lose_weight/waist-hip-ratio.htm)
Posted on: April 24, 2008, 01:17:42 AM
Quote from: mclova84 on April 23, 2008, 12:43:22 PM
Yes I guess it's something your either born with or not...it's most likely due to my ethnicity...wide hips bones run in our culture.
I'm Sicilian, which is to say basically Greek, considering our history. Wide hips run in our family too, among most of the women. They always tell each other, "Good for making babies!" Comedienne Nia Vardalos said Greek women have 3 duties: Marry Greek guys, have Greek babies, and feed everybody.
So in this respect I got somewhat of a head start. Umm... I should say a tail start. ;)
Its not just the hips, its the waist,
That's what a MtF should concentrate one,
it makes a bigger and quicker impact on waist to hips ratio.
In my case, I've gained much fat on the buttocks,
and inner thigh which has compensated for lost muscle mass there
so I've got just about the same thigh and buttocks measure,
some fat is starting to creep around the back end of the buttocks
to the back of the hip, so I may gain some inches there soon.
I went from 31 inch -> 26 inch waist in 20 months.
Hips went from 39-> 38 inch (a bit lost in muscles on the side).
WHR ~ 0.68-0.69.
Exercise has a bigger impact on central, visceral fat than diet.
Hmm.. Hypatia, are you doing some sort of diet/workout program geared towards bringing out the hips?
I really want to get my HWR below an .8 as well.. but I am a bit at a loss on what to do about it..
I can afford to lose 5 lbs or so, idealy that is a good weight for me.. but anymore than that I just don't know about it..
Dieting (http://caloriecount.about.com/), yes. I started with about 30 extra pounds and now I've taken off at least 17 of them. I'm continuing until I take off all 30.
Workout? What's that?
Alright - I was mostly just wondering because I am really skeptical about doing a workout program past the one I am required to do for work. I am really scared to gain too much muscle mass and ruin the base I have.
I don't get the afraid of gaining muscles, gaining muscles
in the buttocks, hips and core will not only make you lose loads
of central fat it will also make you look curvier!
If you don't exercise the upper body, you won't gain
anything there, that's all you really need.
Also, if you have an anti-T and E and your T level
is low, gaining muscles won't be that easy.
Hmm, I guess I need to rephrase what I was trying to get across..
I am not afraid to gain muscle, I am afraid to gain muscle definition.
I don't want my body to appear more manly now that I have it looking more female.
So I guess what I need, is to find a workout that improves on the areas that need improvement, without focusing on muscle definition in the areas that are of concern.
Sorry, but some people are just brutal.... honesty has nothing to do with it. :-\
Definition is usually not an issue in the buttocks and upper leg area,
at least for me, and I've got monster leg muscles and buttocks muscles
(but now there's covered in a good layer of fat).
You'd need to exercise A LOT, to get that much muscles.
T promotes definition, its not just exercise, it boost the amount of water in the
muscle bulking them up also (so they look bigger even when they're not stronger).
If you only do cardio or low intensity exercises,
you risk losing more fat AND muscles and ending with a flat
butt, that's not really appealing.
QuoteThough I don't know why, shes gorgeous! *wants her stomach*
Thank you Chelsea :) I'm not gorgeous, but maybe someday :) I would urge you to lift really heavy weights
with your legs... I do almost exclusively squats and I bicycle a lot. As much as I do exercise I have lost all
definition on my thighs and calf's in just three months HRT. You do not need to worry about your muscles
getting too big if you are on HRT... it just won't happen just like it won't happen for a GG. In my opinion...
for us and even for guys... lifting light weights is a big waist of time.
Quoteahem... Almost! Perfect WHR for a woman is .70. I have a long way to go. I may not ever get all the way down to .70. But with the diet I've been losing weight on, and continuing HRT, there's hope I can someday wind up well inside the normal female range. My realistic goal is to get it down to less than .80. Ideally, women should have a waist-to-hip ratio of 0.8 or less.
Yes... you are right for a GG but I thought most TS's were around .80... Keira not withstanding... she is a freak of nature (in a very
good way Keira). Right now I'm .86 - 31" waist and 36" hip... but all my inches around the hips are to the rear so I have a
fairly straight figure... it has gotten a tiny bit better. I think the very best I can hope for is around a .73 - 28" waist and 38" hips...
I have no idea if I can get there but 'm gonna try :) That's basically two inches in each direction so I have to continue to lose
weight... I'm thinking maybe 15 to 20 pounds to get my waist that thin. My stomach is flat but I still have a lot
of visceral fat that is making me thick around the middle. And really once visceral fat is stored only a lot of exercise
will get rid of it... dieting will only get at the easy fats... those closer to the surface. The body just seems to spare the
deep fat between muscles when food gets thin.
Amanda
RIGHT - I agree with Kiera & many of the other ladies on here. As I said before I started with a curvy figure, even as a "boy" before HRT. HRT made me loose about an inch in the waist & gain an inch in the hips but I have only been on HRT 7 months thus far.
I have had people ask me about diet & excercise. To be honest I don't diet - I eat pretty much whatever I want, in moderation. If I eat alot of "bad" food then the next day I TRY stick to some type of yogurts, veggies, fruits, lean meat, etc. But I do not live my life worrying about every bite - some weeks I eat out or eat "badly" everyday. My saving grace is that I ALWAYS drink water - I have sodas maybe ONCE every 2 to 3 weeks, and I take my daily vitamins, along with HRT.
As far as excercise goes - again - it's no set schedule. If I have time I do it. Some weeks I work out 3 times a week then there are weeks I don't go to the gym once. When I'm at the gym I do excercises using my OWN body weight (such as squats, lunges, & sit-ups) for about 20 minutes & then do 20 minutes on the treadmill at about 4 mph at a very high incline (which is good for the legs & butt).
It will work differently on everyone - again this isn't some magic formula to get a curvy figure - it's not even a formula - it's just what I do more so to maintain. Again I didn't "get" this shape from HRT or excercise - I was born with it - with HRT & excercise I moreso "tweaked" it. I am not looking to loose a large amount of weight - I have maintained the same weight (on the scale; give or take 3 to 5 pounds) through out the whole experience.
As I have stated before I think curvy, more full figured women are beautiful. Alot of people mistake "Curvy" for "Fat" or "obese" - that's hardly the case but I think women are more attractive as a whole in all various sizes more so then men. I think the very skinny look on a female is very unattractive & unfemine. It seems alot of people are so scared to gain weight on HRT, yet tons of transwomen I know want to be curvy...it's like "how are you going to get curvy if you're burning off all the fat your HRT is putting on you". Allow yourself to gain 5 to 10 pounds - that amount of weight will NOT be difficult to get rid of it you end up disliking it. Five to ten pounds can make a world of difference in your body shape, face & etc. in a positive way. Remember women are "soft" - well fat causes softness - if you have no body fat - you are left with bones & muscles which is going to give you a "hard" look, which is traditionally male. I know personally, I'd rather be 10 pounds over weight & look and appear more feminine than be "skinny" and look like a male or a "hard" female. I know some disagree & have their opinions - that is my own personal one (please don't attack :P)
I think alot of diet & healthy body image is in the mind. When you obsess on it & think about it all the time you get the opposite results you want. Just try & be happy with yourself, realize NO one is perfect (trust me I have traveled extensively & met some of the most "beautiful" people of all backgrounds, some famous - some not & they ALL have some flaws - alot of people say to me "well you're perfect" but I then start pointing out my flaws - we all have them) and you will arrive at your proper weight & size eventually. This transition, if anything, has definitely re-strengthened & retrained my sense of PATIENCE!
Hope that helps....anyone else?
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 23, 2008, 09:57:09 PM
QuoteI firmly believe that it is best to be honest with yourself if you expect others to accept you
QuoteI was not commenting on any picture or on anything directly connected to you
Oh please... you are responding about a post from Berliegh about me, saying you agree with most of what she says,
and you use the words yourself and you and you expect me to believe you were not directing that at me?
LOL... we don't really believe that now do we?
Amanda
Amanda, please allow me this opportunity to clear something up before we fall out.........when I wrote my posting I was not thinking of you at all, I do not know you as a person because I am merely a newcomer to this board, I was relating my past experience and knowledge of Berliegh and knowing how 'direct' and 'brutal in her honest opinions' etc, I was hoping to suggest that if we take all comments for what they are and in the spirit they were made then we might understand better they come from.
Seemingly, my comments have irritated you and I never wanted that. I agree with most of what Berleigh says because I can see her pain, we share the same battles with officialdom, inept health authorities and many other matters but we agree to differ because we are individuals with our own unique problems. Berliegh spoke of forums where free speech was curtailed somewhat and I confess to being an ADMIN on one of those boards. She spoke of a situation whereby we might say to someone ' Oh, you look nice' whilst lying through grinding teeth.
I truely honestly believe that I was merely relating my experiences on other TS/TG/TV domains and in good faith.
" Oh please... you are responding about a post from Berliegh about me, saying you agree with most of what she says,
and you use the words yourself and you and you expect me to believe you were not directing that at me?"
Yes Amanda, I am asking you believe exactly that. I am agreeing with her general commentary, my use of the words you highlighted were not targetted at you nor towards any other person on this board. I simply do not know anyone here well enough at this time because I only recently joined you all.
I do not know what more I can do to show that I am here only to share my experiences as a person in transition to female status from my male birth, to find new friends and form possibly new relationships but primarily to offer a listening ear too any one that wants it.
Hostility is not my business, I do not seek it and will not tolerate it. Amanda, I respect you and ask that you forgive any error or misjudged comment that you felt was aimed at yourself.... :embarrassed:
Spoke to a personal trainer today and I am going to get in a good workout program they are designing for me to focus on the area's I would like to see improvement on. Thanks girls! :laugh: I am excited now.
Quote from: Hypatia on April 23, 2008, 08:49:15 AM
What I am trying to understand is, when other ladies who are approximately the same height and weight as me can wear sizes in the single digits, why can't I?
Because, Hypatia, if I can't,
then neither can you.
bev
Muscles take less space than fat and if you're limited by your
frame size in how small you can get, especially in your upper body, most mtf can get pretty small size in the lower body, but then, the clothing doesn't fit because the hip to waist difference is not ~10 inch (which is the avg for female clothes).
Even prior to HRT, my WHR 31 / ~40 = 0.78, when I was training
and had a muscular butt in my 20's I was 28 / 40 = 0.7 (not many men
have that kind of curves :-) (I was 175 pounds and 2-3% fat at that time).
I've got a very small frame, so even at 160 pounds now (6 foot), I wear size 4 bottom and size 6-8 tops. Many here seemingly have a smaller weight but wear bigger clothes!! That's probably linked to their frame size. Its pointless to lose too much weight if you have a big frame or you'll look like a skeleton. I'm guessing I'll wind up eventually at about 145 pounds and size 2 bottoms and size 2-4 tops.
QuoteAmanda, I respect you and ask that you forgive any error or misjudged comment that you felt was aimed at yourself....
Sure Jennifer, let's just be done with all this... I won't live in a negative world, I've said all I'm saying.
Amanda
Posted on: April 24, 2008, 08:22:32 PM
QuoteEven prior to HRT, my WHR 31 / ~40 = 0.78, when I was training
and had a muscular butt in my 20's I was 28 / 40 = 0.7 (not many men
have that kind of curves :-) (I was 175 pounds and 2-3% fat at that time).
I had similar measurements in my youth 27" waist and 36" hips .75 but the hip measurement
was all in the butt like it is now... and no defined waist, maybe I can get the fat to
to drift around to the sides :)
How much did your top size go down as you lost muscle Keira? Do you know what your shoulder
circumference is?
Amanda
Good news: My weight is now lower and my waist is now slimmer than at any time in the past 22 years or so. I measured this morning and found that I have taken 3.5" off my waist in only 2 months of dieting.
Bad news: In the same time frame I've also taken 1.5" off my hips... so my WHR goes back up to nearly .85 because my previous figures were based on the assumption my hip measurement hadn't changed. I was shocked to see how much has been lost there. At least I still have a visible waist and curves.
My outlook is still kind of positive, since I'm losing at a faster rate from my waist than from my hips, so if I can just keep reducing my waist, then my WHR should continue to decrease (albeit more slowly than I'd imagined).
Barbie-- I am in a dilemma about what will give me a more feminine appearance, taking off more pounds or keeping them on. I am just sick and tired of having a thick tummy. It didn't help that I porked up over the winter, meanwhile my belly dance teacher was a real Twiggy, her waist was about as big as most people's wrist, I hated seeing myself in the mirror next to her, even though I look fine on my own. So I am just going to keep dieting until my weight gets back to where it was when I was in college, before I ever started gaining. It should help that I'm vegetarian, eat a very healthy organic high-fiber diet, avoid sugar entirely, and drink nothing but water. At least that helped when I was college age!
Gym? What's that?
You need to do at least moderate exercise to get rid of the abdomen fat (the one behind the abdomen wall that thickens the waist the most in all men and post menopausal women). Don't know why most keep fighting this since its the obvious solution.
Fast walking 30 minutes a day would be sufficient to get
that fat down, your waist will melt if you do this.
I agree with Kiera...just try walking 30 minutes a day...Do areobic excercises using your own body weight (to tone) if you're not wanting to use free weights. It's worth a try.
Like I stated above we are all born with different frames & bone structures so it's going to be different on all of us. And HRT doesn't affect everyone the same either.
Don't worry to much about it - I don't.
Quote from: Keira on April 24, 2008, 10:10:28 PMFast walking 30 minutes a day would be sufficient to get
that fat down, your waist will melt if you do this.
OK, now that I can live with. It's a deal.
I wanted to make a point here... I think everyone tends to think they need more
exercise than they do... and I go really overboard most of the time and my results are
probably no better than if I just walked 30 minutes a day as Keira and Barbie
suggested. If you are not into the exercise experience and just doing it for the benefits
think you are more likely to stick with it if you do not kill yourself every time.
Amanda
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 25, 2008, 11:21:20 AMI think everyone tends to think they need more exercise than they do...
Not everyone-- I never think about it at all. ;D
You're so right AlwaysAmanda....so many evenings before I go to bed I think "geez I have been eating alot lately...I need to go to the gym tomorrow" but I often find myself not going the next day, which is fine, because on the day that I'm really feeling like going I go & get the best work-out because I WANT to do it that day vs. being a "chore".
I think women can actually over-excercise & as we have stated before, loose that "softness" & curvy shape that is very desirable by many. When I think of the gym I think of weights, sweat, grunts, soreness, hard physical work, uncomfortableness, & masculinity...LOL...None of which I associate with being a girl! (as you may be able to tell I'm a very "girly girl") :P
...of course those are my thoughts & my outlook on it - I know not everyone will agree with it, especially feminist - but hey, it's my experience & my thoughts! :P
QuoteWhen I think of the gym I think of weights, sweat, grunts, soreness, hard physical work, uncomfortableness, & masculinity...LOL...None of which I associate with being a girl!
Yea I do to... but I'm addicted to it :( And I feel so much better than when I'm a slug.
Amanda
Weight: 116 pounds (52 kg)
Height: 5'9" (174 cm)
Measurements: 32-25-34
Dress size: 2
since HRT my bust & hip measurements have pretty much stayed the same altho i did lose a bit in my waist. ideally i'd like to lose 1 more inch there, a 24 inch waist sounds nice :o i'm not sure what exercises to do to make it smaller though, the only tummy exercise i know is crunches but that seems like it might make it wider by getting muscley or something. im kind of lazy tho so i'm not too worried about it, im still fine with how i am.
i also lost almost 10 pounds since hrt, im not really sure where i lost it from tho, i didnt really think i look skinnier lol. i just got on the scale one day (i dont weigh myself regularly) and noticed i went from around 125 to 116.
oh
my
god
<---- sorry... I always wanted to do that :)
There are a lot of very jealous girls right now... :)
Amanda
Why are the girls jealous Always Amanda? LOL
???
Everyone should be happy with who they are! :)
think amanda was talking about the weight loss.
QuoteWhy are the girls jealous Always Amanda? LOL
Sorry... i did not mean to include everyone... I should have just said I was
jealous.
I'm guess I'm very superficial and my entire being is wrapped up in how my body looks...lol... I'd
love to weigh 116lbs ... and I don't care what shape I had :) I know I have body
issues... it's just part of my whole GID thing. If I was not a health nut I know I'd have
an eating disorder... and sometimes I wish I did :(
Amanda
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 26, 2008, 11:50:08 PM
oh
my
god
<---- sorry... I always wanted to do that :)
There are a lot of very jealous girls right now... :)
Amanda
Lol agree'd, totally jealous!!!
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 27, 2008, 12:12:02 AM
QuoteWhy are the girls jealous Always Amanda? LOL
I'm guess I'm very superficial and my entire being is wrapped up in how my body looks...lol... I'd
love to weigh 116lbs ... and I don't care what shape I had :) I know I have body
issues... it's just part of my whole GID thing. If I was not a health nut I know I'd have
an eating disorder... and sometimes I wish I did :(
Amanda
I am the same way. I am way superficial in the fact that it really matters a lot to me on how my body looks. And I have a LONG way to go I know. I just hope the overall result turns out decent! I am glad you don't have an ED though Amanda =[ that would be sad!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi284.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll19%2Fchelseaissmexy%2FATT000012.jpg&hash=0d9998277d8ad8868b9809d68b5d47bf52c3a4b5)
Meh. I just weighed myself in at 157 the other day. Really torn up about it. I would like to lose at the very least 15 lbs.
LOL... I'm jealous of you too Chelsea... you look great :)
Amanda
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 27, 2008, 12:12:02 AM
QuoteWhy are the girls jealous Always Amanda? LOL
Sorry... i did not mean to include everyone... I should have just said I was
jealous.
I'm guess I'm very superficial and my entire being is wrapped up in how my body looks...lol... I'd
love to weigh 116lbs ... and I don't care what shape I had :) I know I have body
issues... it's just part of my whole GID thing. If I was not a health nut I know I'd have
an eating disorder... and sometimes I wish I did :(
Amanda
i think its important to not get too caught up in the number, and only focus on how you actually look. for example judging by mclova & chelsea's pics i would have never guessed they weigh as much as they said they do. they could have easily posted their pics and said they weight 140 and i would have believed it.
genetic females bones are usually more porous and light, and i dont think HRT can change your bones, so even if a trans female & genetic female were standing next to each other and their bodies looked identical, the trans person would still probably weigh a little more because of her heavier bones. the upside to this is when we go to the carnival or amusement park & play that game where they guess your weight within 5 pounds, we will always win a stuffed animal because they will underestimate our weight >:D
so its definitely more about how you look than the number on the scale. dont feel alone, everyone has body issues. even someone like me has those fat days where i wanna cut up everything in my closet & go buy a whole new wardrobe because everything "makes me look fat". it's not because you're actually fat, those feelings are just part of being a girl. every time you feel like a cow consider it proof of your femininity :)
IF I was 115 pounds I'd be dead I think or a size 000 squeletton, with no breasts or butt
(I'm 6 foot tall).
My ideal female weight for my frame is 142 pounds (I'm much more muscular than
the average so at 158, I look almost as small as at that weight, muscles take less space).
(I'm size 4-6 tops, size 4 bottoms), At 142, I'm probably 2-3 bottoms and 4 in tops.
Quote from: lemon on April 27, 2008, 12:55:53 AM
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 27, 2008, 12:12:02 AM
QuoteWhy are the girls jealous Always Amanda? LOL
Sorry... i did not mean to include everyone... I should have just said I was
jealous.
I'm guess I'm very superficial and my entire being is wrapped up in how my body looks...lol... I'd
love to weigh 116lbs ... and I don't care what shape I had :) I know I have body
issues... it's just part of my whole GID thing. If I was not a health nut I know I'd have
an eating disorder... and sometimes I wish I did :(
Amanda
i think its important to not get too caught up in the number, and only focus on how you actually look. for example judging by mclova & chelsea's pics i would have never guessed they weigh as much as they said they do. they could have easily posted their pics and said they weight 140 and i would have believed it.
genetic females bones are usually more porous and light, and i dont think HRT can change your bones, so even if a trans female & genetic female were standing next to each other and their bodies looked identical, the trans person would still probably weigh a little more because of her heavier bones. the upside to this is when we go to the carnival or amusement park & play that game where they guess your weight within 5 pounds, we will always win a stuffed animal because they will underestimate our weight >:D
so its definitely more about how you look than the number on the scale. dont feel alone, everyone has body issues. even someone like me has those fat days where i wanna cut up everything in my closet & go buy a whole new wardrobe because everything "makes me look fat". it's not because you're actually fat, those feelings are just part of being a girl. every time you feel like a cow consider it proof of your femininity :)
Lemon you are so right! The number on the scale means NOTHING! Most people who are quick to tell you their weight (on the scale) are probably lying! LOL :P
Women have been doing this forever, and we as transwomen are no different. NOW I'm not saying that anyone on here is lying! I'm not lying - that's my weight on the scale but I have also been 168 when I stepped on the scale 2 months ago, and 155 two weeks ago - the point is that the number on the scale fluctuates for *ALL* of us so one should not base their happiness on a number on a scale.
I used to weight myself once every week - but I stopped that about 6 months ago because I found it trival & un-important in the scheme of things...it's much more of an indication by the way your clothes fit. As long as you are healthy who care's if you gain or loose 5 -10 pounds here and there.
And regarding what you said about this picture I posted earlier in the thread...... <img src="http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7/hpim2829cropyv0.jpg"> ....you are very right! I often mistake people's weights when I look at them - it's extremely hard to estimate people's weight based of the way their body looks because there are other factors, like bone density, water retention, etc. that affect one's weight.
At the end of the day everyone just has to be content with their size & do their best to stay HEALTHY vs. to keep a number on the scale the same! :)
The other day, after I'd reduced down to 171 pounds, I thought I'd see if I was ready to drop a size, so I went to Target and took 3 sizes of the same dress into the fitting room.
Tried a 12-- no such luck! I could barely get it on over my shoulders, and of course trying to pull it off was twice as hard. My oversized shoulders are the limiting factor here. So it looks like no matter how much weight I lose, I'm stuck with size 14.
QuoteThe number on the scale means NOTHING!
Yes I agree completly, I should have said I'd like to have a totally feminine
body... whether is 116 or 160. I tend to link small with being female.
Amanda
Quote from: JENNIFER on April 24, 2008, 06:22:03 PM
Amanda, please allow me this opportunity to clear something up before we fall out.........when I wrote my posting I was not thinking of you at all, I do not know you as a person because I am merely a newcomer to this board, I was relating my past experience and knowledge of Berliegh and knowing how 'direct' and 'brutal in her honest opinions' etc, I was hoping to suggest that if we take all comments for what they are and in the spirit they were made then we might understand better they come from.
Seemingly, my comments have irritated you and I never wanted that. I agree with most of what Berleigh says because I can see her pain, we share the same battles with officialdom, inept health authorities and many other matters but we agree to differ because we are individuals with our own unique problems. Berliegh spoke of forums where free speech was curtailed somewhat and I confess to being an ADMIN on one of those boards. She spoke of a situation whereby we might say to someone ' Oh, you look nice' whilst lying through grinding teeth.
I truely honestly believe that I was merely relating my experiences on other TS/TG/TV domains and in good faith.
" Oh please... you are responding about a post from Berliegh about me, saying you agree with most of what she says,
and you use the words yourself and you and you expect me to believe you were not directing that at me?"
Yes Amanda, I am asking you believe exactly that. I am agreeing with her general commentary, my use of the words you highlighted were not targetted at you nor towards any other person on this board. I simply do not know anyone here well enough at this time because I only recently joined you all.
I do not know what more I can do to show that I am here only to share my experiences as a person in transition to female status from my male birth, to find new friends and form possibly new relationships but primarily to offer a listening ear too any one that wants it.
Hostility is not my business, I do not seek it and will not tolerate it. Amanda, I respect you and ask that you forgive any error or misjudged comment that you felt was aimed at yourself.... :embarrassed:
I think Jennifer understands what I was trying to put accross. As far as your lower body pic went Amanda it was light years better than I could ever look. I look horrendous in comparison. I'll post a pic of my lower body and people will be appalled.
But my point was that we do tend to lie through our teeth in order to make folk feel good, rightly or wrongly and I'm not sure that's always helpful. We all need to progress as much as possible and refine our situation because the outside world is not as forgiving.....
I measured myself the other day, I'm around a 36 A (if even that) cup, waist 27", butt 36", around 5'9" and have been utterly locked at 135lbs. Strange that things have almost stayed the same during HRT except for an increase in cup size and a pretty good lookin butt 8) if I do say so myself. But I have nowhere near the wonderful shapes pictured in this thread. :-\
I think HRT is helping with muscle mass little by little. I think my arms are getting thinner but my shoulders still stick out too much at around 40" >:( I drastically cut carbs years back but like I said I hit a wall. The only thing I work on is my abs, and that is pretty much all the time. In fact I avoid upper body exertion, and have always been extremely weak there anyways.
well weight around 238 - 240 pounds (yes still big but i'm going walking anyway) height somewhere between 5'9-6'0 -6'1 (not sure exctly) bust size no idea but it's not huge but let's say there ok clothes size for jeans w20 yep but i want to fit into at least a 19 or at least an 18