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I have always been warned that I could permanently lose all sexual function by taking hormones.  That hasn't been the case for me after 2 1/2 years of HRT.  It hasn't been the case for other M2Fs I know either.  I'm wondering if it's even a common experience.  I'm hoping Susan's girls can help me answer this question.

I'm post-op so I guess the question doesn't apply to my current situation.

(so I'm ticking the box retrospectively)

My HRT experience was that within a few weeks of taking Androcur at relatively high doseage involuntary erections stopped and I found it really hard to "rise" whatever the stimulus, and my libido seemed to have taken the first bus out of town !

Guess I went a whole year without an erection, and I was sooo pleased as I'd always hated that reminder of my maleness, and felt so guilty and bad after "pleasuring myself" in that way.

Second year on hrt I found my libido starting to return (was I developing a tolerance to Androcur, or my mind adapting to life without T ?), and I found erections happening but only when I wanted.  Achieving orgasm was really hard and a bit of a dud, especially as I was really dry and ejaculation had stopped altogether.

So yes, hrt, but probably mainly the Androcur (way more effective an anti-androgen than Spiro), did cause pretty much total sexual dysfunction ....

Fortunately post-op my libido has really returned .... but not the uncontrollable beast it was under the influence of T .... and I'm definitely orgasmic !

Laura x

I don't know who said you could lose all sexual function
since erections are not directly related to T, but to arousal.

T, just makes it easier to get aroused and
increases the desire for sex, so through the
brain's action, the penis gets erect.

The main sex organ is the brain and most sexual disfunction
are psychological rather than functional.

T levels has much more impact on the reproductive capacity
of the testes. But, even there, it mostly impacts
sperm count (meaning, there's always a very slim chance
of getting someone pregnant even after years of HRT).

Many MTF hate their penis a lot, and thus cannot really get aroused,
so once T is removed, they're left with no libido. High E levels
can bring back this desire for sex, but often MTF are underprescribed.

Myself, I can easily get an orgasm in less than 10 minutes if
I use a bag of well worn fantasies. I can do it several times
in a row (10 min in betwen) even (I could do the same prior to HRT).

I'm am not taking the higher doses of Spiro some girls are taking, so keep this in mind for the following:

I was not able to check an answer because none of them fit particularly well.  Since I started HRT 20 months ago, my libido is about the same.  Erections occur when I'm excited or want them or when a pretty girl is next to me, but not out of the blue.  Lately ejaculate material has decreased to very little, orgasm duration has increased, and I can orgasm more frequently in a shorter period of time.  I personally feel that my sexual function is more in the middle, and part of this is likely do to my moderately high testosterone.

It should also be noted that the majority of my sexual function remains purely mental.

Quote from: kirakero on April 27, 2008, 09:04:33 AM
Since I started HRT 20 months ago, my libido is about the same.  Erections occur when I'm excited or want them or when a pretty girl is next to me, but not out of the blue ....

I personally feel that my sexual function is more in the middle, and part of this is likely do to my moderately high testosterone.

Kira, hope you'll understand and forgive me asking this ....

But somebody so young, so obviously attracted to women, still actively and sexually "functional" ....

Are you absolutely sure SRS is the right step for you ?

Are you ready for the real possibility of losing what you have ?

Concerned ....

Laura x

I'm 40, not that young... Oh, your talking about the other Kira  ;D

I've had sex 3 times in my life so for me, losing sensibility from there would be no diff at all
since I can orgasm from breast stimulation or backdoor stimulation.

Quote from: Laura Eva B on April 27, 2008, 10:01:56 AM
Kira, hope you'll understand and forgive me asking this ....

But somebody so young, so obviously attracted to women, still actively and sexually "functional" ....

Are you absolutely sure SRS is the right step for you ?

Are you ready for the real possibility of losing what you have ?

Concerned ....

Laura x

If I do not have SRS I will likely kill myself, to be frank.  I despise the male body and only just recently have been able to accept my present body with surgery on the near horizon.  I am very sexual, however the male pieces are such a massive hindrance to what I want and who I am that I am most definitely 110% sure SRS is right for me.  I will be sexual even if I have no erotic feelings in the neo-clitoris, and some how happen to lose sensations in the prostate.

In terms of actively sexual, this is debatable.  I have not had heterosexual intercourse for some time, and actually broke up that relationship because I was treated like a male.  Phallic penetration is not my thing at all, however I have like 18 days left at this point, and if I was in a committed loving relationship with someone right now, I would not be against intercourse.  The keyword here is love.  And the method for it to be acted upon is in a lesbian manner and not a heterosexual one.  I expect to be treated as a female during sex regardless of the apparatus between my legs.  I expect my partner to expect to be treated as female - from a female.  Granted, this is a huge and definite shift to primarily foreplay with little or no intercourse involved (which makes me all the happier), but I am not going to say no to the simple pleasures of love regardless of the tools involved.  However, it must be loving and honest no matter what.

Because I am attracted to women makes absolutely no difference.  I am who I am (most definitely a carpet munching lesbian), and refuse to live my life as something I am not.  I appreciate your concern, so let me assure you that I am quite certain of my direction.

I haven't experienced an erection - let alone orgasm - since starting HRT 19 months ago. But I also haven't TRIED either, so I don't know how much of that is from the drugs, and how much is from my discomfort and refusal to be sexually active as a male.

The nightly/morning erections stopped within days/weeks of stating HRT however.

It does "stir" on occasion, such as when I get physically close to someone I'm attracted to, or they talk to me, or... you get the picture. But it's more like I get the sensations without the actual physical reaction.

~Kate~

Quote from: Kate on April 27, 2008, 01:36:35 PM
I haven't experienced an erection - let alone orgasm - since starting HRT 19 months ago. But I also haven't TRIED either,

Trust me when I say this: Don't try because it can be PAINFUL.  Way back when I first started HRT I went 6 months without an erection.  Eventually I had a couple and full erections after many months of no use HURT.  It makes me believe that this is the reason men have involuntary erections to begin with... to keep the pump primed as it were.

I still get erections - frequently.  No, it doesn't hurt.  The sensitivity is very different, too.  The only place I have sensation is the frenulum, the underside of the glans.  It's works kinda like a clitoris I guess.  When I do orgasm, there is almost no semen expelled.  The doc says my prostate has shrunk to the size of a pea.  He said my enzyme levels were the lowest he'd ever seen in someone that had a prostate.

At 60 my sexual drive had been diminishing and for years unless I fantasized a lesbian act I had trouble preforming with my wife. For about two years up to my starting on hormones I had of all things gotten Pyronies Disease which causes a unatural bending. Bad enough not wanting it but having to wake up to something uncomfortable and mishapen was a little over the top. After about three months HRT I noticed a major decrease in what few erections I had and now at 8 months they are virtually nonexistant. I have ejaculated one time since starting HRT and the fluid was almost non- existant.

The testes have shrunk to about the size of grapes and wonder of wonders, the Peyronies disease has almost gone the last time I was able to maintain half an erection long enough to check it. That after taking all kinds of expensive treatments, drugs and vitamins the urologist said I had to have. I drew the line at a penile implant. I thought  to my self when he first mentioned it...... " Are you nuts, hell I wouldnt even want it if it was perfect" I seriously wanted to ask him if he could just remove it.

Whether or not Ill be dysfuntional after surgery is any bodys guess. Actually I find myself not really to worried about it as I cant say I really miss preforming as a malr. It never felt natural anyway.

After four years of HRT and still post-op (because of money...), first year there were no erections, second year they became to come back when i wanted them, third year briefly involved in my first hetero relationship as a woman and full erections were constant and constantly annoying, now in fourth year and had started a relationship with a man who did not know I'm T and I kept having massive, uncontrollable erections while out with him.  I had to stop seeing him primarily because of that.

Anybody know how to STOP erections?  I would like to!!!

With less than 4 months of HRT I have no spontaneous erections and those that I do rarely get are quite painful.  I did try using it with my girlfriend (for her) but it was just to painful (the erection, not the stimulation), she enjoys my other ways though ;D.  It was at a time I was already aroused(which is quite rare now) which helped "get it up".

I'm around 4 months HRT. I've haven't had any spontaneous arousal... like seeing a pretty girl...  since maybe early 20's.
I had morning ones rarely but they stopped at about 2 weeks of HRT. It takes direct contact and more time now
but I can still perform and have had sex three times since starting which is probably more than average than before HRT.
The sensation is totally different, much longer, more intense and I think I could probably have more than one but I've not
tried. Sex prior to HRT was OK... after... OMG... it's amazing. I did a lot of faking before HRT.
I think for me it's always been a mental process... lots of fantasies... and HRT has just enhanced things for me. Libido
has been unaffected... I don't seek it out and never have.

Amanda

This looks like the right topic to post my questions to but if not can someone point me in the correct direction - thanks :)

I have not really started to transition, and my question is regarding sexual function both during transition and post op.  I usually experience very powerful and satisfying climax during penetrative intercourse due to stimulation of my p-spot (prostate).  In the moments following I experience a warm afterglow and feel completely fulfilled, however this feeling does not usually last more then a few hours and then I feel a very strong drive to achieve release using my male parts.  I don't like feeling this way after.
I guess my question is how does transition change this?  Does HRT make the desire to achieve a "male" sexual release go away or lessen?  Does it only affect that aspect of sex or does it reduce desire and enjoyment of receiving sex as a woman?  And the same questions go for how bottom surgery affects those aspects.