So I am not a druggy. I work in a pharmacy so I can't be really.
But, I do still keep a stock of narcotics and my sleepin pills and sometimes I just trip off my ass when I have a bored, bored night.
Figured I'd found out how many of us are like that:-)
Pardon the blaaaah, I'm doing a constant balancing act with my ehad right now to keep enough focus to write this out.
So how many of you still do that stuff?
I just think that there's a correlation between transsexuals and drug users, habitual or very rare and casual.
Never got into drugs, thank Goddess, but I found plenty of other creative vices to distract myself from the core problem. To my shame, I still indulge in those from time to time.
Annwyn hon, my thoughts are with you today. *hugs*
~Simone.
Does having too many benzo and opiate prescriptions count? :-)
Substances can help, but they are a tool that can be very dangerous if misused. I don't listen to the doctors and use less meds than they would prefer (they would like me to use lots of benzos and opiate painkillers daily and I prefer to only take them when there is an urgent need).
I do know some TS people who use (or used to) drugs.
Can't even if I wanted to.
My work does drug test OFTEN. And anything more than a tylonal shows up.
One month, I did 6 drug test =\
I stopped the street stuff and now all I have are the prescription psychotropics which don't get you high.
It's just not worth it. It doesn't feel right anymore.
Being bored is just not having the knowledge of the world around you.
Oh... I'm not talking street drugs really, just an occaisonal whatever to get you a lil weee.
In my case I've always preferred hallucinogens... no clue why.
Every once in a while I put some "Name of drug removed" in the hookah, I tend to use it as an entheogen.
It has no euphoric properties, the good high/bad high rate is about 50/50, but it always provokes thought and introspection, and is interesting, but not especially "fun".
More often I smoke cherry pipe tobacco or other tobaccos, and drink alchohol.
Drugs are bad. People should not do them. I'm not encouraging anyone to do them. I've never encouraged anyone to do them.
And I don't do that much anymore, Buds and buds as we say. A little beer and a little smoke (which all but legal in SF). Some wine now and again is a side benny to living in Sonoma County and next to Napa. You can get really good wine very cheep (like 1/2 what they charge per bottle on the East Coast, and if you buy a case - and I always buy a case - you get 15% off on top of that) at the wineries, the tours and tastings are nice, and they tend to be pretty places to hang out. I am totally bad around good Champagne, it doesn't have to be the Cristal which is kind of pimp crap, or even the Taittinger, Piper-Heidsieck - though really, I'll love you if you do, I'm fine with Domaine Chandon - the American branch of Moët & Chandon.
The other stuff, its been at least 10-15 years since I've done any coke. At least 10 for speed, and that time wasn't my fault. Pills, uppers, downers at least 10 years. Haven't dropped acid in 4 years - and it was 4-5 years before that when I did it before, and I will no doubt do some mushrooms in May for a very special occasion.
Guess my vice is alcohol ....
Post op I saved up some Demarol (opiate) tabs, to have with lots of wine to give me some fun while "discharged" but still recovering in Montreal (!) .... and sure I can understand the addiction.
On the drugs front I've only ever really done weed, and to be honest I prefer my quadruple screwdrivers !
:(
Laura x
Quote from: tekla on April 27, 2008, 11:33:47 AM
Drugs are bad. People should not do them. I'm not encouraging anyone to do them. I've never encouraged anyone to do them.
You're kidding right? Drugs are not bad, drug abuse is bad. Many drugs are useful and can be good (e.g. Medicinal Marijuana, and any other pharmaceutical that has helped people.) When used in a responsible and respectful manner, some drugs can open one's mind in new and interesting ways.
As far as blackmarket drugs are concerned, well, if things are in pill or syringe form one should be extra careful, as you never know what is in that, things you can smoke tend to be safer in that sense. My friend's SO died from bad heroin, pretty ->-bleeped-<-ty way to go.
Well I assumed by the title that we were not talking about chemotherapy but about the use of chemical compounds that effect the electro-chemical state of the body producing sensations ranging from relaxation, to pleasure, to euphoria and to time/space distortions for the stated goal of recreation.
And I don't ever say anything about drugs without saying that first, because I don't ever want anyone thinking I'm promoting, encouraging or advocating that other people do such things. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area in the late 60s/early 70, and I've worked in show biz and academia for decades (both over-run with drugs) and I can honestly say I don't know anyone who was really all the better for doing any of that. Its not an instant road to ruin for all, most people do some, have fun, walk away. But for others.....? I dare not go there. Most - say in the 90 percentile - of the people I know who have done say, cocaine, its been a nice fun time. But for the single digit percentage, it was like taking a loaded gun, sticking it in their mouth and pulling the trigger. Their life was in some ways over at that minute. And you never know who its going to be. You never know if that number comes up with drinking, or smoking, or toking, or this pill or that one, or this power. Why take the risk when there is so little to gain?
And its not even the 'drugs will kill you' deal. Most of the people I know who really messed up their life with drugs did so because they made some really incredible stupid decisions while under the influence.
That being said, and I'm going to say this as plain as I can, people like to get ->-bleeped-<-ed up. There are examples in the animal kingdom besides us, but we are the kings of the forest on this one. The oldest recipe on record is from an Egyptian papyrus and its a recipe for beer. Matter of fact, we have lots and lots of old recipes for things like beer and wine. We found out how to do that stuff in pre-history. We have never forgot how. The use of psychoactive plants has been around since pre-history, as has the smoking of marijuana. Face it, people like to tie on on, rev it up, overindulge. Its nothing new. People act as if massive drug abuse is something in the 20th century, but face it, how drunk were the people in Rome for the blood sports - I bet they were wicked drunk.
I'm not at all sold on the 'mind opening' aspect, and if its true, its only true for a very few drugs, the first couple of times you take them.
Quote from: tekla on April 27, 2008, 12:38:50 PM
Well I assumed by the title that we were not talking about chemotherapy but about the use of chemical compounds that effect the electro-chemical state of the body producing sensations ranging from relaxation, to pleasure, to euphoria and to time/space distortions for the stated goal of recreation.
And I don't ever say anything about drugs without saying that first, because I don't ever want anyone thinking I'm promoting, encouraging or advocating that other people do such things. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area in the late 60s/early 70, and I've worked in show biz and academia for decades (both over-run with drugs) and I can honestly say I don't know anyone who was really all the better for doing any of that. Its not an instant road to ruin for all, most people do some, have fun, walk away. But for others.....? I dare not go there. Most - say in the 90 percentile - of the people I know who have done say, cocaine, its been a nice fun time. But for the single digit percentage, it was like taking a loaded gun, sticking it in their mouth and pulling the trigger. Their life was in some ways over at that minute. And you never know who its going to be. You never know if that number comes up with drinking, or smoking, or toking, or this pill or that one, or this power. Why take the risk when there is so little to gain?
And its not even the 'drugs will kill you' deal. Most of the people I know who really messed up their life with drugs did so because they made some really incredible stupid decisions while under the influence.
That being said, and I'm going to say this as plain as I can, people like to get ->-bleeped-<-ed up. There are examples in the animal kingdom besides us, but we are the kings of the forest on this one. The oldest recipe on record is from an Egyptian papyrus and its a recipe for beer. Matter of fact, we have lots and lots of old recipes for things like beer and wine. We found out how to do that stuff in pre-history. We have never forgot how. The use of psychoactive plants has been around since pre-history, as has the smoking of marijuana. Face it, people like to tie on on, rev it up, overindulge. Its nothing new. People act as if massive drug abuse is something in the 20th century, but face it, how drunk were the people in Rome for the blood sports - I bet they were wicked drunk.
I'm not at all sold on the 'mind opening' aspect, and if its true, its only true for a very few drugs, the first couple of times you take them.
Ok I mostly agree with you, my mistake was I did not read your initial sentence like the disclaimer I believe it was intended to be.
I think it would be wrong to shun a substance, or illegalize something, because some people abuse it, but I'm an insane libertarian for the most part.
You might be interested to know, The Hymn to Ninkasi, a sumerian poem/recipe, is a sumerian recipe for beer that predates any egyptian recipe. (The Hymn to Ninkasi, inscribed on a nineteenth-century B.C. tablet, contains a recipe for Sumerian beer.)
http://www.piney.com/BabNinkasi.html (http://www.piney.com/BabNinkasi.html)
Quote from: Annwyn on April 27, 2008, 11:04:05 AM
Oh... I'm not talking street drugs really, just an occaisonal whatever to get you a lil weee.
In my case I've always preferred hallucinogens... no clue why.
because they're grrrrrrrreat!
but I can't now because of the prescriptions. I'm stuck using my imagination to make inanimate objects get up and walk around the room.
I'm clean now. Have been for about 2 and a half years.
Now I just drink. I've cut back a lot though.
Oh I'm not advocating any sort of prohibition, as I do not think it works, and indeed is counterproductive. (Criminalizing personal behavior, making a medical problem a criminal problem and the creation of ongoing criminal enterprises funded by huge amounts of cash - none of that has a good end.) But I'm not sure that advocating it is much better.
With life always being a wonder and the senses offering a world of beautiful feelings why would anyone want to alter them? To be aware and creative the mind looks at the world with awe. Every moment has a million things to enjoy. I have experienced various pharmaceuticals and nothing compares to real unaltered life.
I will have a couple of beers over the weekend. Maybe a glass of wine or two, but that's it. Never did anything else.
The only mind-altering pharmaceutical I use is estradiol, and that's more than enough!
Chaunte
Mixing pain killers and alcohol = me freaking out because I can't feel the inside of my chest- my lungs, heart.
Not one of my shining moments.
I have never used drugs and never will.
I am a recovering alcoholic and my sobriety date is September 6, 2002.
I lost my little bro to heroin in 1998.
Wing Walker
Flyin' Straight and Level
So there's a lot of drug bashing in this thread. Honestly I didn't start it to get opinions on drug usage. If I had wanted that I would have asked for it. I started this thread just to see who does. Obviously plenty of people do. It'd be nice to discuss why and all that, but for everyone who just wants to come in and spam it up with how they don't use drugs or how bad they are, that's what we ALL hear from the moment we hit elementary school, if you think we don't know that then you're insulting our intelligence. Quit it.
QuoteQuit it
That is what you said about you joining the Marines. What is the truth?
But of course you were out to get opinions on drug use. What was the other option? Getting the clinical trials? Interesting reading them clinical trials, but you do need a basic college level of chemistry, biology, 'doctorspeak,' and some anatomy too to really follow them (and even then...)
I have nothing against drugs, though I can see where others do, as they have lost much. I just have nothing awesome to say about them either. I don't see where they are ever more than a very expensive cheap thrill. Some people, many perhaps will tell you that life will get you much higher than drugs will. I suppose that is true, but those moments in life are often few and far between and not sustainable. On the other hand, drugs are often better than the crappy times, or even the dull boring times of life, hence their popularity.
I grew up in a drug capitol at a landmark time for the stuff. I worked for bands that were legendary for their (and their fans) consumption. I've worked in venues that were pretty open to it too. Bob Marley birthday concerts where you couldn't even see the other side of the room for the ganga smoke. "Tribe" events, like sitting up in the desert (years before Burning Man was even thought of) at Pyramid Lake with people walking around with Safeway bags full of 'shrooms telling everyone to 'take all you want, but eat all you take.' (Not a good night for trying to sleep, for sure on that, so you might as well join in.)
And I'm sure I could tell any number of amusing stories ranging from snorting pink coke (coke mixed with mescline) at my wedding, to days spring skiing up in the mountains tripping my brains out that were so beautiful that I thought I would explode with it. Or very strange events deep in the redwood forests near here, or moments out on the beach of supreme bliss, or unusual occurances in the desert (and those are very trippy.) I went to (as a guest, worker, and fan) a lot of Grateful Dead shows, back in the day (early 70s to early 80s) were you could get the good hook up, and what the ->-bleeped-<-, on occasion they could even play. But I was dosing my head off back in '74 when I saw Floyd tour Dark Side - that had its moments too. Or I could tell the story about taking some people out to the coast, and how we were just coming on to this really good psychedelic, and we wanted to hike along the ocean, but we get stopped by of Sheriff's, and they make us get out of the car and help them as about 50 sheep had got through a fence and were scattered along the road - and they needed to be rounded up and moved back. Now the rural folks know that all animals can be very very hard to catch when they don't want to be caught or are scared, and they can be hard to move when they don't want to move. I've got my wife (raised a block from Lake Michigan in the Heart of Chicago), and my buddy Crash and his GF from New York City. They had never seen a sheep outside of a zoo. Oh yeah, this is going to work out real good. You bet'cha. Its the only story I've ever told that someone wet their pants because they were laughing so hard, and yes, it's that funny.
But, at some level, even the ones that are stupid, or that I know look back on and think I was nuts. Spring skiing is one thing, doing it and trying to ski a winter storm up at Sugar Bowl that time, well, very dumb. Lucky to be here and all that.
And, I have been close enough to see the long range effects of it too. Some dead, others destroyed, many others just lost, and I can't discount that either, and since that's part of the risk, I sure don't see advocating or encouraging, or promoting, or glamorizing, or romantizing any of it either. And that's what all the fun stories do. And I don't think there is much of a half-way point between the good and the bad, its a pretty stark contrast. Its one I see everytime I work at Turk and Taylor and see the CSI people out, Crack Scene Investigators, who are down on their hands and knees digging in the sidewalk for any little nug of white that might be crack, and they try to smoke it. On the other side of the door is some pretty boy who's sold a million records last year doing a little blast before he walks out on stage to his fans. Same drug. Huge difference.
I've not ever tried any kind of mind altering drugs(alcohol excluded), not even pain killers,
even when I really needed them. I'm not a good girl (believe me, just the opposite
in my youth) or afraid of getting addicted. It's just not who I am and I've never
had any interest.
I have no problem with anyone that does use drugs. I have a huge problem
with locking up so many people that are caught with drugs. I know
it's a problem, but really, does jail do anything to stop a casual drug user?
Amanda
Legal efforts to stop such things tend not to work unless they are draconian.
I'm currently taking a break from that sweet lady, Mary Jane. My doc. says it loswers testosterone levels and it would be counterproductive durring the first few months. I still drink, but I'm trying to quit that. Not much for prescription drugs, I'm more of a natural guy. I like psilocybin mushrooms once in a while, but only on rare, special occasions.
Being a child of the 60's* I will admit to having seen the purple turtle and I do remember one instance when the notes coming out of the television while watching MTV were really beautiful colors. Nowdays though, it's only an occasional vicodin when the back (3 operations) or knee pain gets too much.
*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD. Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.
Beverly
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 10:00:21 AM
*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD. Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.
that's so coooool!
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 10:00:21 AM
*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD. Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.
Beverly
One of the best lines regarding the 60's I have ever heard.
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 10:00:21 AM
*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD. Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.
That just won you a lasting spot on my 'WALL OF REALLY COOL PEOPLE'. Know how lucky you are! Not many make it onto my wall. ;)
~Simone.
And here I always thought the classic Sixties quote was "If you can remember the Sixties then you weren't really there."
Quote from: lady amarant on April 29, 2008, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 10:00:21 AM
*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD. Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.
That just won you a lasting spot on my 'WALL OF REALLY COOL PEOPLE'. Know how lucky you are! Not many make it onto my wall. ;)
~Simone.
Simone, I consider myself honored.
Tekla, there are a few blank spots in there. But I don't know if it's aftereffects or just senior moments.
Beverly
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 01:48:45 PM
Simone, I consider myself honored.
Giggle. If only I could get onto my own wall! ;D
~Simone.
"yer substances acain't alter my mind" -
said the penguin to his briefs.
"fer ma mind is made of granite"
a cool breeze breezes by
an escalator carries empty loads up
to the Formica ice caves
No ostriches would have survived here
breath flows like water from a leaking pump
the penguin sets aside his mind
and enters the sea of graves
thain't no room for alterations in the anti-void
who needs substances?
I've never done drugs :)
Quote from: Gracie FAISE on April 29, 2008, 07:41:04 PM
I've never done drugs :)
OH MY GOD GRACIE
wtf are you doing here?
lololz.
-hugs you-
Quote from: Scratchy Wilson on April 29, 2008, 02:52:19 AM
Not much for prescription drugs, I'm more of a natural guy.
Actually, lots of prescription drugs are more unadulterated than street drugs.
Quote from: Wing Walker on April 28, 2008, 12:44:23 AM
I have never used drugs and never will.
I am a recovering alcoholic and my sobriety date is September 6, 2002.
I lost my little bro to heroin in 1998.
Wing Walker
Flyin' Straight and Level
Congratulations, Wing on recovering.
I've had my wild days, so I won't try to sound self righteous. But I quit after my brother died of a reaction to cocaine.
Kristi
Quote from: Annwyn on April 29, 2008, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: Gracie FAISE on April 29, 2008, 07:41:04 PM
I've never done drugs :)
OH MY GOD GRACIE
wtf are you doing here?
lololz.
-hugs you-
spying :icon_suspicious:
Quote from: Gracie FAISE on April 30, 2008, 12:54:51 AM
spying :icon_suspicious:
New purpose of thread: all us druggsters get Claire high lol. (not really)
GOsh this thread slowed down.
I don't think I'll do drugs again until I hit retirement. Well, maybe now and then. And which retirement Idk, from the military or from the job after that or from college or whatever. I just think I gotta find a point in my life where I can afford to take a day off and waste it.
Good luck, as you get older you will find that you not only have to take that day off, but the next one too so you can recover.
And of course it got slow, people tend not to give out information about their illegal activities on a public forum.
Nor should they be encouraged to do so at Susans.
Sarah L.
Quote from: Sarah Louise on April 30, 2008, 11:26:37 AM
Nor should they be encouraged to do so at Susans.
Sarah L.
I go in the women's locker room even though I have a pe'nor. Oooh, Ima criminal!
No, but having drugs you don't have a 'script to is in a lot of cases a felony, particularly where you live. The fact that you work as a pham assistant, would tend to indicate that you ripped them off too. So, two felony counts. Are you a criminal? I bet there are a lot of people in jail in your home state for a whole lot less.
Quote from: tekla on April 30, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
No, but having drugs you don't have a 'script to is in a lot of cases a felony, particularly where you live. The fact that you work as a pham assistant, would tend to indicate that you ripped them off too. So, two felony counts. Are you a criminal? I bet there are a lot of people in jail in your home state for a whole lot less.
I am not a druggy at all. Everything I own has a script for valid reasons.
An individual with male genitilia walking into a female restroom, especially in the southern states of the USA, could well be construed as any form of sex crime not discounting rape, conspiracy to rape or kidnap, stalking, etc. If the individual has a camera phone on one's person, then that opens up even more possiblities.
Hell, I always felt that coming from California I need a passport to go down South.
Quote from: Annwyn on May 01, 2008, 12:01:25 AM
Quote from: tekla on April 30, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
No, but having drugs you don't have a 'script to is in a lot of cases a felony, particularly where you live. The fact that you work as a pham assistant, would tend to indicate that you ripped them off too. So, two felony counts. Are you a criminal? I bet there are a lot of people in jail in your home state for a whole lot less.
I am not a druggy at all. Everything I own has a script for valid reasons.
An individual with male genitilia walking into a female restroom, especially in the southern states of the USA, could well be construed as any form of sex crime not discounting rape, conspiracy to rape or kidnap, stalking, etc. If the individual has a camera phone on one's person, then that opens up even more possiblities.
I think you have a difficult time with consensus reality.
QuoteBut, I do still keep a stock of narcotics and my sleepin pills and sometimes I just trip off my ass when I have a bored, bored night.
Quote from: Gracie FAISE on April 29, 2008, 07:41:04 PM
I've never done drugs :)
Same here, though I've been offered and had people ask if I was dealing. Add to that I could not even count how many people I know smoke weed or have gotten into more heavy narcotics.
As for alcohol, its not my thing either. I find it makes me depressed, and very very rarely ever have anything to drink
Lastly I always attempted to avoid medicine or painkillers. There have been a couple of times when in the hospital saying no to anesthetic was not really an option I was given, but I hardly ever take tylenol and generally stick to homeopathic remedies when I am sick. For me to settle that HRT was going to be necessary for me was a rather large hurdle and I struggled with it for a few years...