Have you ever taken the COGIATI test to determine the level of gender dysphoria you have?
If you are interested in taking this test, you may do so on the web; the results are as follow:
-650 to -389, cogiati category one (standard male)
-390 to -129, cogiati category two(feminine male)
-130 to +129, cogiati category three (androgyne)
+130 to +389, cogiati category four (probable transsexual)
+390 to +650, cogiati category five (transsexual)
Remember that this test is not a diagnosis for transsexualism, you must see a
gender therapist to help you with these issues.
see the link below to take the cogiati now:
http://transsexual.org/cogiati/index.php?lang=en
Have you got a link for this test Tinkerbell?
Alice
PS - My guess for me would be 3-4
It's a fun "test," but it is far from conclusive. It was enough to make me think, but President Reagan said it best - "doveryay, no proveryay." Trust, but verify. Only your therapist knows for sure.
Chaunte
When I was still trying to find out about myself, I took it and answered every single question as honestly as possible at the time. I ended up with a 4. I have heard of TS getting a higher score once they started transitioning, so that alone shows the test results are inconclusive.
Melissa
Not only is this test an unreliable indicator of transsexuallity, it's an unreliable indicator of gender dysphoria unless you subscribe to the long list of gender stereotypes this test is based on. Most of these tests can be consciously directed towards a desired result. IMO, there are no valid tests for gender dysphoria. Only through therapy and full self-discovery can one decide if they are are or aren't TS or gender dysphoric.
Dawn
Hi Dawn :)
I agree, one of the questions was the series - you just knew, if F base in on the sequence of colours, if M base it on the mathematical sequence.
I chose the colours because I thought the colours were nicer :) but goes to show if you know the answer you can aim for the result you desire.
Still it was fun, and I every time I do the test I come out as Androgyne.
Rana :)
Quote from: DawnL on June 14, 2006, 07:56:54 AM
Not only is this test an unreliable indicator of transsexuallity, it's an unreliable indicator of gender dysphoria unless you subscribe to the long list of gender stereotypes this test is based on. Most of these tests can be consciously directed towards a desired result. IMO, there are no valid tests for gender dysphoria. Only through therapy and full self-discovery can one decide if they are are or aren't TS or gender dysphoric.
Yup, I'd agree... the COGIATI mixes a stereotyped gender test with a TS angst test... and I'm beginning to think that's not fair. It's tempting to try and prove that one "is female gendered" somehow to validate one's TSism, but I'm beginning to think that's chasing a ghost.
"Given the choice, would you prefer to live out the rest of your life as a perfectly normal, genetic female?" If so... tada! You're TS ;)
Of course, answering that honestly and for the right motives is another story...
EDIT: Then again I only scored a FOUR. Being "probable" kinda made me mad, lol. Had I scored a FIVE, I'm sure I'd be posting about the test's uncanny accuracy ;)
Quote from: Rana on June 14, 2006, 08:26:39 AM
I agree, one of the questions was the series - you just knew, if F base in on the sequence of colours, if M base it on the mathematical sequence.
I don't remember the question, but I'm strong in both areas. Sometimes it is dependant how the question is asked, rather than the actual answer.
Melissa
it is one of the better "tests", IE I was expecting worse.
it is clear (my score = 360) that if you can do 'maths' or spatial reasoning
this casts some doubt as to 'classic TS" (is that like the old 'primary vs secondary' classification?)
[oh, please, put me in a box!] -
which is absurd.
and sexist. erm genderist.
Quote from: Melissa on June 14, 2006, 08:54:01 AM
I don't remember the question, but I'm strong in both areas. Sometimes it is dependant how the question is asked, rather than the actual answer.
Melissa
the one with the rotating red/blue cubes on a stick, I think she means
asked in such a 'roundabout' way I almost gave up on it myself
all that said, I do think that a lot of it is somewhat well-designed, in that the perception of INTUITIVENESS may be a key indicator of inherent gender.
it's the
real girls can't do maths implication that is absurd.
also the 'if ten would you prefer to go play with your pet or fantasize (instead of GIRLS JUST WANNA HAVE FUN)?' type-angle seems suspect to me
Mmm... I took this test some year or so ago and thought it was awfully stereotyped, and in some cases it seemed pretty obvious you could influence the results one way or another very easily, maybe even without realizing it. While getting a '4' made me feel a little more reassurred at the time, I don't think I'd put much weight to it.
These tests are very easy to minipulate if you want to. They might be fun to try, but do not depend on the results to decide who you are.
Sarah L.
Quote from: jan c on June 14, 2006, 09:33:39 AM
it's the real girls can't do maths implication that is absurd.
No kidding. Apparently that's not true, since I'm good at math. ;D
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on June 14, 2006, 10:30:10 AM
No kidding. Apparently that's not true, since I'm good at math. ;D
Yea, my wife is a bit, err, obsessive with numbers... always compulsively adding them up, and reducing them down to a single digit. She knows all these weird little tidbits about them, like how 9 is a good number since it "changes nothing" she says: (9+2=11=2, 9+8=17=8, etc.). She's a little whiz with the things.
AND... she can parallel park :)
Directions though... it's frightening sometimes. I'll never forget the time she started yelling, "TURN RIGHT! TURN RIGHT!"... while she's frantically pointing to our left.
I took the test and got a score of +505, which means I am a 5. I think this test is very seriously flawed. I do not see what mathematics has to do with being transgendered myself. I was always better at English and writting essays than I ever was at doing Algebra, I admit. I am still a whiz at doing geometry and basic arithmetic when I have to. I cannot see the corelation.
Shannon
The test doesn't account if you are very good at math and english composition/writing skills. What does that make you according to that test? Both male and female? Give me a break.
Melissa
I started boiling the test down to see which questions seemed important to me... a dozen... half-dozen... than only one stood out:
Q. You will never, ever be a woman. You must live the rest of your days entirely as a man, and you will only get more masculine with each passing year. There is no way out. What is your reaction?
A. (-10) I could cope. Not much different than now.
A. (-5) As long as I can still dress in private, I would survive.
A. (0) It would hurt, but I would carry on.
A. (5) I don't think I could bear that.
A. (10) I am better off dead.
This was the emotional crisis/realization that finally broke me and got me into therapy. The question wasn't hypothetical to me.
True Kate, there are some thought provoking questions on there and it does make you examine yourself from angles that you may not have. So, perhaps the questions are more useful than the results.
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on June 14, 2006, 11:46:10 AM
True Kate, there are some thought provoking questions on there and it does make you examine yourself from angles that you may not have. So, perhaps the questions are more useful than the results.
Melissa
Sorry for the me-too post but...
I DO have to second the motion. I knew the test's methodilogy was likely fallible, but I took it anyway. There were some questions that I felt I answered more male than female, but I answered them honestly anyway (with a sinking maybe-I'm-not-TS feeling as I answered.) But the questions helped me clarify my self-examination, focusing on different aspects of myself. It was a cold shock to realize that I was probably TS -- not from the test score so much as from the directed self-examination the questions provide -- and that perhaps being TS was the answer to the question, "Why don't I add up?"
It got me off the dime, and hooked up with my gender therapist.
Even if it's unreliable, I still think it's a valuable tool. The creator, Jennifer Reitz, has taken a lot of flak over the test. But she created it as a challenge to the mental health community to design a better, more reliable test. So far, no one has accepted her challenge.
To find the test, go to Transsexual - dot - org, then look for the links. While you're at it, drop Jennifer a line or two--
Karen
I'm a very solid 4. This is about right.
Oh my wife is an Accountant and great with math.
As far as directions go she always know which way is north.
I'm not a good speller so have never liked to write. But now with computers and spelling checkers that is changing.
Yes this test is based on gender stereotypes and I'm sure my wife won't have scored as high as I did.
I did get panicky when the test said that I would get more and more masculine as time went on. I really would rather die.
Jillieann
I should try taking it again. It's been a good a good 8 months or so.
Melissa
Yes do try taking it again. When I took it before, that was about 5 months ago, I was only a 2.
Oh how I have changed.
:)
Jillieann
High everyone,
Despite the stereotypes and generalizations, I rarely hear people say that they disagree with the results. What I hear most often is that the results are pretty right on, with how the person sees themsleves. I first took the test two years ago and scored a 270, a year later 275, yesterday 310. I attribute the change in score to a change in my attitude. This first two times I took it, I beleived that because of high blood pressure I could never take hormones or transistion.
One heart attack later and a lot of discusssion with my cardiologist and an article by a cardiologist that is 18 years post op, made me realize that I am not locked out. That changed my answers to several questions, hence the higher score.
As unscientific as it may be, it seems most of us agree with the final assessment. I think the question about how we see ourselves may be the only question that is valid. I still hold that the mental health community does not tell us we are transsexual, we tell them. Bottom line, if you beleive you are a transsexual, you are. If you beleive you might be one, than you might be on, if you beleive you are not one, you are not one. All anyone knows is what we tell them. There is a reason stereotypes become stereotypes.
Love always,
Elizabeth
375
Uh, so that seems to be Number 4 again. *chortle* Yea, pretty probable.
By the by in times past it seems I came up 280.
Yay? ;)
Hey neat we get to do this quiz here ;D (seriously - it is interesting to see the distribution of results).
I've taken this test so many times and got so many different results - I mean some of the questions I really wasn't sure what my answer would be (those all would be stereotyped questions, not identity type questions ;) ) and typically would get a level 4 as a result... but I took it again for this thread just for grins to see what I'd get and I've just barely edged my way into a 5 (total score 410).
Math is not one of my strong points; this evening I had to add 29 to 16 and my mind just froze up. I can easily tell if someone *likes* me; people have always lauded my spelling/vocabulary; couldn't tell you which way is south without looking at the constellations (or setting Sun, of course, but even that would take me a minute while I place it in a familiar setting); I always flunk those 3D shape rotation questions; sound and music are my world, and if something I said bothered somebody, I'd lose sleep over it. :-\ But on the other hand I'm a science geek and 'scuse me but strangers getting in my personal space is a bit much. :P
I wish I had known a year and a half ago what I know now about the COGIATI and other tests like it, that are based on stereotyping. I used to honestly believe that a person's brain was somewhere along a one dimensional spectrum and that if I could convince a psychologist that I was *female enough*, they'd give me the go ahead for HRT and SRS. It was a while until I could afford to see someone, and when I did I finally caught on that this all doesn't mean diddly, but during that while it was all still a big concern to me. ::)
Someone posted something elsewhere on the internet that I think is really true. The gist of it is that stereotypes apply to groups but not to individuals.
I also got 410, classic transsexual (you think?). I got classified as probable transsexual before, but I was still in denial. My problem is that I am good at math, which lowers the score and I have good reflexes, which lowers the score and I don't mind being close to people, which also lowers the score. These are all stupid stereotypes and I do not think these to be typical of the female population. However, the last portion of the test really does ask some good questions. Some that I would suggest to people still trying to find out more about themselves.
Melissa
Thanks tinkerbell, that's where I did take the test including the first time.
Melissa
I scored 290 which is a bit funny since I've fully transitioned and no longer consider myself a transsexual. After all, I DON'T want to be a man ;) I excel in English and do poorly at math but can read a map, find my way around strange places effortlessly, and routinely score highly on spatial orientation quizzes--all "male" traits. Feminists have railed against such stereotypes for years with good reason, they're stupid and may be meaningless. When women and men are socialized in more similar ways, taught in similar ways, many of these supposed gender differences may disappear. The BBC website has a brain-gender test that is somewhat better that can be found here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/intelligence/brain_sex_quiz.shtml
Enjoy!
Dawn
One thing I've noticed that's changed since starting HRT is it's harder to pinpoint the source of a sound. And I think I've figured out why that is.
Having worked in and around sound recording/processing/reproduction, I've sharpened my own audio processing skills, and was able to pretty well localize the source of a sound by ignoring early reflections and reverberation.
Lately, though, I find myself paying much more attention to the reverberation, as if it's a textured tapestry. It's as if sound is no longer a seperable event, but now an enveloping event, and inseperable from my total experiencing of my local environment. I have to concentrate extra hard to pull off the old trick of localization. Not that I'm complaining about it, of course! ;)
Karen
I noticed that too Karen.
Melissa
I took the test a year ago and then again a week ago, while I don't remember the exact score I no I fell into the number 3 range both times. No test can tell a person who they are, but it can help them start looking for answers in a different way and I think that is what the test did for me.
170
I'm probably a Transsexual!!!!!!! :D
Damn now I have doubts!! LMAO
Although question4 & 54 where biased because I don't like physical contact due to abuse issue's
I decided to retake this, since the last time I took it was some years ago. I got a 340, which is higher than last time, but it's the same result of '4'. The math/language thing still bothers me though. When I think back to when I started grade school, I don't really recall there being much difference to how I felt about math vs language, they're were just both things I had to study, and I was good at both, but in the end took math more seriously I guess. But what I do recall is that it seemed like my parents were more concerned about my progressing well in math. Not doing 'as well' in language courses wasn't a major concern and was seen as excusable, since math was 'more important' to my future and career. Nature vs nuture maybe?
I wish the BBC link would give a number, but in any case the meter went pretty far over to the right for me. More so than last time I took it, which was before starting on my meds.
I recall seeing a study published in a scientific journal (lost the cite, sorry) that involved something akin to those "find the matching pairs" puzzles where you have to uncover hidden objects which requires remembering where each one is in the grid. They found that postmenopausal women taking estrogen showed a modest improvement in their ability to solve the puzzles over those not taking estrogen. They mentioned something about receptors in the brain.
As misleading as it would be to take the results of these tests literally, it is all the more so if some of the questions pertain to hormone related effects. It'd be like asking someone if they are already experiencing the effects of something they're not even taking yet.
Right on Tinkerbell.
I am what I am or is it we are what we think.
Anyway I agree.
:)
Jillieann
I took it about 4 years ago and was truthfull, and got the classic transsexual. But, as I was taking it, I could see that it had no way to takers from lying and getting a perfect score if they wanted to. if you read carefully, it is very stereotypical, worded just the way you hear known TS to describe being TS.
Was nothing new. All you have to do is read and answer with the most female sounding answer, or TS one. Waste of time and for what? It wont get you anywhere. For that you Have to see an exp therapist, endo, ect. Sorry just my thoughts.I know there are 2 other tests like it out there.
Yeah, they should refund our money. :P
Melissa
I just realised, I was talking about somthing else, was the Gender Test at Sparklife.
They have other interesting tests as well, but I cannot vouch for their accuracy ie, The Jerk Test - said thats probably what I was, as if :( AND the American Test - had the hide to say I was an American? as if
However they are fun. This is the web addy (Moderators is it OK to post this?? if not please delete it : http://community.sparknotes.com/sparktests/index.epl
Rana, everyone: you can check out this thread - all about the Sparklife gender test:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,2241.0.html
helen
okay for our new members, a blast from the past :P
You know, this test is reaaaaaaaaaally inaccurate....my last result was 200, and now it is 85....oh no! am I transitioning backwards or what? blah!
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
I scored a 450 which makes me a Cat 5 raving transsexual LOL.
I feel like I should notify the hurricane center or something :P
Quote from: BrandiOK on September 14, 2006, 02:22:22 AM
I scored a 450 which makes me a Cat 5 raving transsexual LOL.
I feel like I should notify the hurricane center or something :P
Are you sure it wasn't (
minus 450)? >:D
Lol, seriously, you never know with this test! it is just for fun!
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Hmm...perhaps it was a negative 450 however if thats the case I got some 'splainin' to do.
P.S. Thanks for the help on the signature pic Tink :icon_bunch:
I have got a 350 (probably transsexual)
Anyway I do not think it is a valid test, it seem to me based only on stereotypes. It believe that these do non make provision for lesbian M2F like I am :)
Oh my gawd! I scored a 330. I might be a probable ->-bleeped-<-. What am I going to do?
I was hoping I'd get the female score... boo hoo. The thing is, these tests all assume that women can't know north from south or that they might like science. They also assume that girls like poetry in grade school.
Cindi
Posted on: September 14, 2006, 07:18:18 AM
Okay, I just took the test to see if how I feel nowdays as opposed to before my transition. Crap... I got a 480. That makes me a flaming transsexual. Do I have to go be a man now?
Cindi
I get a kick out of these tests and do them just for fun. I agree this one is stereotypical. I can do math rather well and spell and I can figure my way out of a situation when need be. As we have heard in another thread I am all woman (biological and mental). I scored 4 on this because I think some of the traits are seen strictly as male or strictly female and forget a grey area. Geez I served in the army with a female mechanic. You wouldn't know it when working beside her with grease all over her and all that but in a skirt and make-up she was a very pretty gal. And she loved men only. But if you ask the experts that do these tests her mechanical abilitiy would lean her towards the male side of things, and she's gg!! As for this girl, I have undisputable black and white proof I am female and that is all I need :angel: !! These tests are still fun to do to see how they pan out though.
All I remember is that before transition, I got a "probable transsexual" score and recently I took it and it was in the transsexual category. I just answered the questions honestly. I tend to have a good range of skills, so that hinders me on some of these test. However, the most important test is that I prefer being female. That's all I need.
Melissa
Is this thing STILL floating around????
i would have to agree with karen and say that the test while obviosly flawed, it can still be used to help people such as myself start to understand more about themselves and where we are coming from. for me it left me feeling that it will be possible to come to grips with the confusion that i am going through
stacey ann
I scored as a transsexual on this test and scored at 94% female on another test. Maybe the tests show what I am thinking. I do feel more femaole than male. What do you girls think?
Took the test scored +530.
Since beginning HRT, I cannot locate a sound without searching. Almost as bad a John Wayne in the "The Searchers."
Quote from: Laura823 on September 24, 2006, 10:24:36 AM
Since beginning HRT, I cannot locate a sound without searching. Almost as bad a John Wayne in the "The Searchers."
LOL ;D
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Hi
Yes, several times! The first time I tried to make it say I was TS and it ended up saying probable. I ended up crying because I knew it was true and all that would happen if I followed my heart. Then I took it again several weeks later and answered every question with absolute honesty. The results came back classic transsexual. That shocked me.
You are right though. This isn't something you should put much credence in. But, for me anyway, it helped me admit I was TS.
Quote from: Julie Marie on October 07, 2006, 10:17:28 PM
Hi
Yes, several times! The first time I tried to make it say I was TS and it ended up saying probable. I ended up crying because I knew it was true and all that would happen if I followed my heart. Then I took it again several weeks later and answered every question with absolute honesty. The results came back classic transsexual. That shocked me.
You are right though. This isn't something you should put much credence in. But, for me anyway, it helped me admit I was TS.
Hey pretty lady;
I am in Portland right now at the susan's fest which we think to plan every year. Marco, Karen, Jaded, Pam, Melissa, and me. We had dinner at a very nice restaurant that Melissa recommended. I have been worried about you. Hope you received my emails this time. I love your new picture. Looking great as always....
love and hugs,
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Quote from: Cindianna_Jones on September 14, 2006, 05:34:17 AM
Oh my gawd! I scored a 330. I might be a probable ->-bleeped-<-. What am I going to do?
I was hoping I'd get the female score... boo hoo. The thing is, these tests all assume that women can't know north from south or that they might like science. They also assume that girls like poetry in grade school.
Cindi
Posted on: September 14, 2006, 07:18:18 AM
Okay, I just took the test to see if how I feel nowdays as opposed to before my transition. Crap... I got a 480. That makes me a flaming transsexual. Do I have to go be a man now?
Cindi
Looks kinda bad for you Cindi! Do you have any idea what the life of a transsexual is like? I mean you have to appear on Jerry Springer and act like an idiot. You'll probably end up prostituting yourself. And you might become a child molester too. Maybe you can take the test again and save yourself from all this.
Julie
Quote from: Julie Marie on October 29, 2006, 06:01:15 PM
Looks kinda bad for you Cindi! Do you have any idea what the life of a transsexual is like? I mean you have to appear on Jerry Springer and act like an idiot. You'll probably end up prostituting yourself. And you might become a child molester too. Maybe you can take the test again and save yourself from all this.
Julie
:D You're funny.
Melissa
I scored a 330, or class 4 Probable Transsexual.
I don't put a lot of stock into these tests but since I am at a point many of you passed a long time ago I use the questions for an honest self-evaluation. And of course being broke, a free starting point for now.
At any rate, they're neat if nothing else.
Tiffany
No, the beauty of the COGIATI isn't in the score. That's suspect. It's in the questions it asks you. They make you think about you -- the REAL you as it relates to gender. Never mind the question about backing up a car ('piece of cake' for me, trailers too. So what?) I realized that I really wouldn't mind losing my penis. I never would have thought that if the COGIATI hadn't had a question that asked that very thing -- what would you DO of you lost Mr. John Thomas in an accident? That and other questions got me thinking -- really thinking...
Karen
I took the cogiati without knowing it's reputation, but I truly answered every question honestly. I came back with probable transsexual. What is interesting was that I was actually happy to recieve this score. I was happy, because if I was transsexual, I could finally live as female. However, I didn't realize the need to be a female is what made me transsexual. :P Anyway, what happened next is I started looking back at my life and spent about a month doing that as well as starting going to a support group and starting therapy. Of course I was one with quite a strong female identity. I mean it's now so obvious how female I have always been, that it's a wonder I never figured it out sooner.
Melissa
110 category three (androgyne) dunno. doesn't sound right to me. i know what i am.
Hi All,
I had a similar experience as Karen. I had been in the worst depression of my life when I finally saw a psychiatrist and got some meds for ADHD and deprsssion. All of a sudden my mind became clear for the first time and I started looking honestly at my life.
So I went on the web and started looking seriously at transsexualism when I found the Cogiati. I read and understood exactly what it is and scored 370, Probable Transexual. So I read what the recommendation was and started to cry.
A couple days later I took the test again and read each question slowly and tried to be as honest as possible. This time I scored a 345. But what really struck me was my answer to the question about if you could take a pill and be content with your birth sex would you do it? My feelings and answer was a resounding NO!
I knew then that I had to find a gender therapist to really sort this out and stop screwing around. So this silly test got me to face myself honestly and start doing the right thing.
Now I'm working with a wonderful therapist and working my way closer each week towards the real me.
So for me the silly Cogiati holds a special place. ( I know, I'm a sap)
With humor.
Kylie :D
Even though this test probably wasn't meant for me, since I'm not considering transitioning, I took it once. I scored -5, right in the middle of the "Androgyne" category, which is about where I see myself. Other tests give me pretty close to the same result.
Okay, I decided to revive this thread since some of you have been wondering about the Cogiati. Please keep in mind that the results of this test shoudn't be used (by anyone) as a diagnosis for transsexualism.
Take the Cogiati online at the following link:
http://transsexual.org/cogiati/index.php?lang=en
tink :icon_chick:
I got a 110: Androgyne. I don't know though. That whole thing about your gender based on your ability to do math. Heck I'm in school for engineering, I hope my math skills are up to par. Although in a field like that men do tend to get taken more seriously.
Q. You will never, ever be a woman. You must live the rest of your days entirely as a man, and you will only get more masculine with each passing year. There is no way out. What is your reaction?
A. (-10) I could cope. Not much different than now.
A. (-5) As long as I can still dress in private, I would survive.
A. (0) It would hurt, but I would carry on.
A. (5) I don't think I could bear that.
A. (10) I am better off dead.
My first reaction was: Oh my goodness that would totally suck!
The losing the penis one was a fun one as well. Losing it would be bad not in terms of not having it there but now there's no raw material for SRS.
The Cogiati Test, another thing that fits my classification for horse manure!
Cogatti test = CD luls
its not designed for transexuals, the options are VERY leading, and its SO playable...
just like all internet 'tests'
its fun to watch me get called 'not trans' because i wear jeans and some other tomboyish things ;)
I took this about 10 years ago, then about 5 years ago and then again just recently. Every time I've gotten a result of:
COGIATI classification FOUR, PROBABLE TRANSSEXUAL and have had an average score somewhere around 280-300.
Beverly
i've had three results three different times
>:( :'(
I suppose that this was the wrong time to take this 'test': 250.
'Probable'
Please.
If you were to base it upon history, it would be more like 660.
It's been gory. >:( >:( :'( :'(
Gory and replete with instances of 'cross-dressing', that is.
I took the test and got a 195 which put me in catagory four or probably a transexual and I should seek counciling to explore this issue. I am a mtf post-op, I had my surgery 6/26/2005 and I can tell you for certain I am much better off as a woman and their aint no probably about it.
Quote from: Kate on June 14, 2006, 08:42:54 AM
Then again I only scored a FOUR. Being "probable" kinda made me mad, lol. Had I scored a FIVE, I'm sure I'd be posting about the test's uncanny accuracy ;)
OK, a year later I now get:
395: COGIATI classification FIVE, TRANSSEXUALI think this test is uncannily accurate ;)
~Kate~
Well, this is why this test shouldn't be taken seriously. I am also post-op, have had severe GID since childhood, and all this test could do for me was to give me the result of androgyne. As Rhonda has pointed out, such results do not convey in anyway the struggles that we have had to endure. It's totally biased and sexist IMHO.
tink :icon_chick:
Quote from: Tink on June 22, 2007, 11:34:49 PM
It's totally biased and sexist IMHO.
I *still* say it's uncannily accurate!
Oh *fine* then, lol... yes, it's pretty stupid. To be a Real Woman you apparently have to be an uncoordinated ditz obsessed with hugging everyone.
Come to think of it though.. I love hugging... and I can't park worth a darn...
I *still* say it's uncannily accurate!
~Kate~
Quote from: Kate on June 22, 2007, 11:40:08 PM
Quote from: Tink on June 22, 2007, 11:34:49 PM
It's totally biased and sexist IMHO.
I *still* say it's uncannily accurate!
Oh *fine* then, lol... yes, it's pretty stupid. To be a Real Woman you apparently have to be an uncoordinated ditz obsessed with hugging everyone.
Come to think of it though.. I love hugging... and I can't park worth a darn...
I *still* say it's uncannily accurate!
~Kate~
LOL ;D I don't even know how to drive, so how am I supposed to respond to such questions? ::)
tink :icon_chick:
I can drive well enough, its just that parking gives me troubles. Then again having a car the size of a boat doesn't help much either.
Quote from: Kate on June 22, 2007, 11:40:08 PM
Quote from: Tink on June 22, 2007, 11:34:49 PM
It's totally biased and sexist IMHO.
I *still* say it's uncannily accurate!
Oh *fine* then, lol... yes, it's pretty stupid. To be a Real Woman you apparently have to be an uncoordinated ditz obsessed with hugging everyone.
Come to think of it though.. I love hugging... and I can't park worth a darn...
I *still* say it's uncannily accurate!
~Kate~
it doesnt test if your a woman or not, it tests how ->-bleeped-<- you are ;)
I got probable transexual when I did this test about a year ago but thats because I'm good at math, and <i>apparently</i> girls suck a math, so it knocked off many points. The test gives a good rough idea of whether someone is transgendered or not but one shouldn't take the tests word for it. Deep down your gender is what you feel it is not what some online quiz says... the only person who can really help you find out if you have GID (other than yourself) is a specialist, really.
most of the questions lead you, almost show you what the most ->-bleeped-<- answer is... so its hard to do fairly.
heh, just took it again, probable transexual, dispite being on hrt, and saying im deffinately trans...
the test is so biased, i cant answer, im all female, for one of the questions.
imo its more for CDs or TVs to decide thier TS or not, because i cant answer those questions how i wish to. its too male orientated.
Just took the test and got 325... So I'm 'probably' transsexual; not bad for someone who is 14 years post-op, has lived 15 years as a woman and has not even had a second's regret in all those years...!
Maybe I should be spending more time in floral dresses and training myself to unlearn all the maths I was taught in the conservative, boys secondary school I was forced to attend ;)
Ever since I was a child I've always loved doing any kind of personality quiz, just for the fun of it :)
But as far as I'm concerned they're often nothing much more than the product of another person's own, personal prejudices...
MVER XXX
Quote from: Kate on June 14, 2006, 11:27:42 AM
I started boiling the test down to see which questions seemed important to me... a dozen... half-dozen... than only one stood out:
Q. You will never, ever be a woman. You must live the rest of your days entirely as a man, and you will only get more masculine with each passing year. There is no way out. What is your reaction?
A. (-10) I could cope. Not much different than now.
A. (-5) As long as I can still dress in private, I would survive.
A. (0) It would hurt, but I would carry on.
A. (5) I don't think I could bear that.
A. (10) I am better off dead.
This was the emotional crisis/realization that finally broke me and got me into therapy. The question wasn't hypothetical to me.
You know how that I answered this one, do you not, sweetie? :) :'(
And obviously, you do understand. yes?
"A Fate Worse Than Death" indeed. The horror induced simply by reading and considering the scenario posed by the very question.....
Quote from: Tink on June 22, 2007, 11:42:03 PM
LOL ;D I don't even know how to drive, so how am I supposed to respond to such questions? ::)
tink :icon_chick:
Tink, having experienced the drivers in your neck of the woods, I can understand not knowing how to drive. Bill Cosby was right. ROFL
Beverly
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on June 23, 2007, 06:32:28 AM
Quote from: Tink on June 22, 2007, 11:42:03 PM
LOL ;D I don't even know how to drive, so how am I supposed to respond to such questions? ::)
tink :icon_chick:
Tink, having experienced the drivers in your neck of the woods, I can understand not knowing how to drive. Bill Cosby was right. ROFL
Beverly
[thoughtfully]
You're OK, Bev. :)
Quote from: Rachael on June 23, 2007, 03:45:52 AM
it doesnt test if your a woman or not, it tests how ->-bleeped-<- you are ;)
There's some truth to that actually, as the main difference between my two attempts is I'm now on HRT and living fulltime.
It really is kinda silly, as although I can't reverse-park into a space if my life depended on it, I can hit the apex of a corner at 100mph while simultaneously braking, clutching, and downshifting... and pondering what to make for dinner ;)
Or at least I *could*, lol... haven't tried it since HRT. Haven't CARED to try it either, curiously...
~Kate~
Oh Kate, your losing all your crazy driving skills, gotta practice those, never know when you'll need them :D. A 100mph turn, hope you were on a racetrack when you did that!!
Quote from: Keira on June 23, 2007, 09:26:44 AM
Oh Kate, your losing all your crazy driving skills, gotta practice those, never know when you'll need them :D. A 100mph turn, hope you were on a racetrack when you did that!!
ROFL, I guess I shoulda clarified that, lol...
Yes, at place called "Pocono Raceway" here in Pennsylvania, and a *beautiful* road course called "Lime Rock Park" nestled in a ethereal, wooded valley up in Connecticut.
Kidding aside though, not long after I started HRT I noticed that I was suddenly getting incredible gas milage (for my car anyway). I couldn't figure out why, as nothing had changed with the car... then I realized *I* had changed. My driving habits went from being very aggressive, basically treating every commute like a race... to being VERY mellow and smooth, treating every commute like a graceful dance.
The energy the world could save if everyone took estrogen... it boggles the mind ;)
~Kate~
Quote from: Kate on June 23, 2007, 09:23:21 AM
Quote from: Rachael on June 23, 2007, 03:45:52 AM
it doesnt test if your a woman or not, it tests how ->-bleeped-<- you are ;)
There's some truth to that actually, as the main difference between my two attempts is I'm now on HRT and living fulltime.
It really is kinda silly, as although I can't reverse-park into a space if my life depended on it, I can hit the apex of a corner at 100mph while simultaneously braking, clutching, and downshifting... and pondering what to make for dinner ;)
Or at least I *could*, lol... haven't tried it since HRT. Haven't CARED to try it either, curiously...
~Kate~
It's funny though and forgive me if this is too skewed from the central theme, but one of the changes noted after the onset of transition and in particular [I think], was that the dexterity of my left hand improved markedly [I am right-handed} and I developed a habit of twirling a switchblade rapidly through the fingers of the left hand.
But a number of months after that, I developed a reticence to doing it and I switched to twirling a favorite pen through the fingers of the left hand, instead.
I became disinclined to play with a switchblade like that. I look back upon that now, with distaste.
That's a definite improvement.
Spatial ability is undiminished and math skill has actually improved.
Yup friends, the COGIATI is truly the 'acid test' for the determination of TS. ::)
Quote from: Kate on June 23, 2007, 10:03:22 AM
Quote from: Keira on June 23, 2007, 09:26:44 AM
Oh Kate, your losing all your crazy driving skills, gotta practice those, never know when you'll need them :D. A 100mph turn, hope you were on a racetrack when you did that!!
ROFL, I guess I shoulda clarified that, lol...
Yes, at place called "Pocono Raceway" here in Pennsylvania, and a *beautiful* road course called "Lime Rock Park" nestled in a ethereal, wooded valley up in Connecticut.
Kidding aside though, not long after I started HRT I noticed that I was suddenly getting incredible gas milage (for my car anyway). I couldn't figure out why, as nothing had changed with the car... then I realized *I* had changed. My driving habits went from being very aggressive, basically treating every commute like a race... to being VERY mellow and smooth, treating every commute like a graceful dance.
The energy the world could save if everyone took estrogen... it boggles the mind ;)
~Kate~
I noted the same effect.
Additionally, 'road rage' completely went extinct.
I was astounded when I first observed that effect.
Quote from: Rhonda on June 23, 2007, 06:06:12 AM
Quote from: Kate on June 14, 2006, 11:27:42 AM
I started boiling the test down to see which questions seemed important to me... a dozen... half-dozen... than only one stood out:
Q. You will never, ever be a woman. You must live the rest of your days entirely as a man, and you will only get more masculine with each passing year. There is no way out. What is your reaction?
A. (-10) I could cope. Not much different than now.
A. (-5) As long as I can still dress in private, I would survive.
A. (0) It would hurt, but I would carry on.
A. (5) I don't think I could bear that.
A. (10) I am better off dead.
This was the emotional crisis/realization that finally broke me and got me into therapy. The question wasn't hypothetical to me.
You know how that I answered this one, do you not, sweetie? :) :'(
And obviously, you do understand. yes?
"A Fate Worse Than Death" indeed. The horror induced simply by reading and considering the scenario posed by the very question.....
I believe that if you answer questions like that with "I am better off dead" it really doesn't matter what the rest of the questions on the quiz say. If your desire to transition is so great that you'd want to die if you couldn't achieve it you are a transexual, no questions asked.
The problem with test like this is they make assumptions. I consider myself a tomboy transsexual, as while I am extremely feminine I share many interests that boys do (videogames, dungeons and dragons, rock music, comics), So the test is going to be a little biased for me. It assumes all girls like girly things, which is not really true at all. infact most <i>real</i> girls are less girly than me! (I must be the only person I know that thinks pink is an awesome color... and all of my friends are female)
Quote from: Chandra21 on June 23, 2007, 01:26:40 PMThe problem with test like this is they make assumptions. I consider myself a tomboy transsexual, as while I am extremely feminine I share many interests that boys do (videogames, dungeons and dragons, rock music, comics), So the test is going to be a little biased for me. It assumes all girls like girly things, which is not really true at all. infact most <i>real</i> girls are less girly than me! (I must be the only person I know that thinks pink is an awesome color... and all of my friends are female)
Yep, I agree. Personally as a rule I don't wear much makeup and am often in jeans or trousers (just like the majority of my GG friends). My clothes style doesn't have any impact on whether or not I'm female; I just am.
That said, I do like pink... :P
MVER XXX
+215 for me, though that seems low in my estimation! :D
I had to wonder about the question about the magic cure to make you match your birth sex. My first reaction to that one was "It would certainly save me from a rather large amount of complications and if afterwards I didn't know the difference I guess it wouldn't be so bad."
That one goes hand in hand with the getting manlier every year question. Because if one decided to take the man pills, then becoming manlier would be great.
But that cure got me to thinking, I can do math and have all the spatial skills I need without having to compete for alpha status that men tend to do. I wouldn't take the cure and thus becoming more and more masculine would be a living nightmare. Would I be better off dead? I don't know if I could answer that knowing there are people with far worse deformities who manage to find reasons to live. So it would be completely awful, but I would almost feel obligated to find a way to carry on and do my bit to leave the world better than how I got it.
Quote+130 to +389, cogiati category four (probable transsexual)
got 240. probable transsexual. dunno. ???
i think its safe to say while the test is a nice little amusement for trans folk to take to see how they score. I think its outdated, and implractical, and leading, and suggestive.
It suggests one is male, and doesnt allow for ones internal gender to be all female, it petty much says women cant drive, have no mathamatical or spacial skills, its stuck in the 1950s with most of the UKs gender identity clinics thinking. this test wont tell anyone anything they dont know, other than dissapoint when they dont match an outdated steriotype. My housemate is studdying maths, and shes natally female, out of 10 of my close friends who drive, its the 4 guys who have had crashes, not the girls. and the pill question amused me.
I said id take it, because id rather not be a transexual, than be one. and if i could be happy as a boy, i would, truth is, im a girl, no pill exists, so its irelevant, but the question probably takes that as a non female commitment question. it also assumes the test taker is a crossdresser, or ->-bleeped-<-, with the degree of leading sexual arousal feeling questions, and how clothes turn you on, and calls wearing womens clothes 'en femme' a CD term, and calls it crossdressing...
Quote from: Rachael on June 24, 2007, 10:07:46 AM
it petty much says women cant drive, have no mathamatical or spacial skills, its stuck in the 1950s with most of the UKs gender identity clinics thinking. this test wont tell anyone anything they dont know, other than dissapoint when they dont match an outdated steriotype...
Oh yes, it's pretty silly. My wife is like some mathematical genius (it's scary, it really is), she *prefers* to back into parking spaces, she gets frustrated with ME because I can't grasp things she's trying to describe, she can tell you the stats and history of any football player current or past, she does most of the house maintenance, she's the "practical," low-maintenance one in the relationship...
And yet she's the cutest, most feminine and sweet girl I know. I feel like ogre next to her (no offense to the ogre's out there).
~Kate~
Yes, Tink. I took the test. I found it just agreed with what I already knew. My therapist says I'm a classical transsexual, even though she didn't give me a test. I don't think I'm interested in taking the test myself again.....sort of like pressing on a sore toe to see if it still hurts? What's the point?
Bev, a classic ;)
Quote from: Hidrix on June 24, 2007, 03:28:25 AM
Quote+130 to +389, cogiati category four (probable transsexual)
got 240. probable transsexual. dunno. ???
Oh no, I hope you're not thinking of taking estrogen. >:D >:D >:D :laugh:
I've found that test to be badly constructed since the first time I took it. Someday, I might go over it and try to make it at least sensible.
I'll bet we could do that here. Go over each question and decide which ones to ditch and which ones to keep. Then go over the remaining questions and rephrase or reconstruct them so that it's not sexist or culturally biased. Then maybe come up with a few questions that would help round it out a little.
What do you say, Gang. Should we go over to the old barn and start working? or should we just head toward the barn and then wander off in different directions?
question 1: does your gender id match your body:
yes, -
no -
maybe -
after 3 pints -
if i feel like it -
Facny changing it?
yes -
no -
maybe -
after 6 pints -
if i feel like it -
what would you feel like if you lost your penis/vagina:
good -
bad -
dunno -
like a pint -
sorta miffed -
even this is better than the cogati...
god, i should write these things.... i could save lives with my indept diagnostic techniques...
Those are better questions
My score was 595. I found the questions and answers, etc, to play on very old-fashioned stereotypes.
QuoteHave you ever suffered a migraine 'headache'?
I doubt it.
Maybe once.
Never.
I have had a few.
I have had more than a few over the years.
What do Migraines have to do with Transexuality anyways?
Women suffer from more migraines.
But, still I don't see what's the relevence either.
This test is soooo lame its not even funny, or maybe it is.
I bet my sister is an androgyne, half my gay friends are certain transexuals... (they would find that so funny).
Uz has moar headaches, therefore you are a woman!
the number of hangovers ive had count?
surely more migranes is a physical female thing, rather than a mental one?
lol. I had a headache at the time, and I remembered that from when I did the quiz so thats why I decided to post it.
I didn't know females had headaches more than males. You learn something new every day ^_^
The migraines seems to be linked to estrogen.
Estrogen makes you more sensitive to pain in general
and it expands blood vessels (vaso-dilatator),
both these things help get more headaches.
If anything my pain tollerance has increased.
same, i was a right sissy before, now im fairly pain tollerant, even like some ;)
Well, You're going into the face of medical studies you gals... ;)
But, hey, every woman's her own island; there's are exceptions to every rules.
pain tollerance varies per person, i cant see why its different.
I'm a total pansy when it comes to pain. I can't say I've ever gotten a migraine though. I've had some really bad headaches but not how people describe it when they get migraines.
Rachael, didn't you see the thread on the study on pain and T and E in transexuals. Of course there is individual differences, but E increases sensibility to pain, beyond those linked to those differences. For most people, this difference may be small, but for some they'll get more headaches out of it. Its the same thing that happens in reverse when you take T for ftm.
Also, like I said, migraines are also linked to vaso-dilatation of blood vessels all over the body (including those in the head); that has nothing to do with sensibility to pain, but it increases the chance of headaches.
my phsyical sensitivity isnt much different, no, ive not read the thread, but im telling you how i feel,
although i must admit any headaches i get, while not more frequent, are more painful. mainly hangovers *cough*
Quote from: Rachael on June 24, 2007, 11:39:42 PM
question 1: does your gender id match your body:
yes, -
no -
maybe -
after 3 pints -
if i feel like it -
Facny changing it?
yes -
no -
maybe -
after 6 pints -
if i feel like it -
what would you feel like if you lost your penis/vagina:
good -
bad -
dunno -
like a pint -
sorta miffed -
even this is better than the cogati...
god, i should write these things.... i could save lives with my indept diagnostic techniques...
[mildly disgusted over the 'test' questions]
But, but, but, let me please contribute some highly insightful and infallibly accurate queries:
--Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
--Do you like movies about gladiators?
--Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
::) >:D
disgusted by mine or the cogati's?
and
1 Yes, many and most were gorgeous.
2 yeppers deffinately
and 3 im not a fan of bondage, turkish or not ;)
do i pass?
Quote from: Rachael on June 27, 2007, 09:38:39 PM
disgusted by mine or the cogati's?
and
1 Yes, many and most were gorgeous.
2 yeppers deffinately
and 3 im not a fan of bondage, turkish or not ;)
do i pass?
Cogiati, hon. :)
ok... oversly I am abit slow! I started the test however got to question 9
Which choice most closely describes why you dress up 'en femme', as a woman.
It is a very sexy thing to do. It is very exciting. I love it!
The only reason I do it is because it makes me feel better. I really don't do it for excitement.
It does turn me on quite a bit,
Mostly it just makes me feel better somehow.
Sometimes it excites me, sometimes it's just nice.
And I got stuck..... then I realised........
even if your m2f, the only way you can answer that is in a slightly sexual way, which i feel none... but it forces you assumeing you do feel some sexual excitement at 'dressng up'
Quote from: Rachael on June 28, 2007, 11:39:56 AM
even if your m2f, the only way you can answer that is in a slightly sexual way, which i feel none... but it forces you assumeing you do feel some sexual excitement at 'dressng up'
Right. That's why I say it should be rewritten.
By us. And maybe we can come up with a test for the FtM's. Although the BEM test seems kind of okay to me, but it could use some tweaking too.
those 3 questions i wrote, were part joke, part serious, they said a lot but didnt say much, and were gender neutral. We could work on a more standardised test, but im no good at codeing stuff to make flashy tests :P
Quote from: Rachael on June 28, 2007, 11:52:32 AM
those 3 questions i wrote, were part joke, part serious, they said a lot but didnt say much, and were gender neutral. We could work on a more standardised test, but im no good at codeing stuff to make flashy tests :P
Questions first, then code.
I guess I should start shaking out some questions of my own.
Quote from: Rachael on June 28, 2007, 11:39:56 AM
even if your m2f, the only way you can answer that is in a slightly sexual way, which i feel none... but it forces you assumeing you do feel some sexual excitement at 'dressng up'
Not to mention it assumes you dress up "as a woman." What if I just throw girl clothes and guy clothes together and sometimes get a decent outfit out of it? Because that's what I do.
I don't remember how I answered that one, or a lot of others that didn't quite work for me. I seem to remember posting on this thread that I ended up with a score of -5 (Androgyne -- and right in the middle of the Androgyne category, no less.)
I'll answer your questions, Rachael: If I feel like it, no, bad (I like being able to produce my own hormones.) What does that make me? :P
Andrognye? :P
gender is fluid, dont want to change it, miffed if you loose your current landing gear :) sounds about right.
Yeah, to be honest, i fail in the dressing up 'as a woman' i wear clothes designed for girls, because im that shape, and i happen to be a girl, but at the same time, i look just as good in a sundress, as i do in mens baggy jeans, trainers, and a tight tee :)