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Activism and Politics => Discrimination => Topic started by: Natasha on May 31, 2008, 12:18:37 AM

Title: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Natasha on May 31, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
So we can't legislate morality?

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65760
5/31/2008

"And we're finding, to growing dismay, we're not up to the job! We no sooner are afflicted with one judicial fiat, decreeing that same-sex unions should be recognized as "marriage," then we are told in other court decisions that our grade school children must be taught to appreciate transgender and bisexual proclivity as well – and that if a young kid "identifies" himself as female, he must be permitted to use the girls' restroom at school, and even come to school in a dress!"

Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: buttercup on May 31, 2008, 03:38:50 AM
Blow it out your ear Mr Boone!!  What are you so afraid of?  ???
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Laura91 on May 31, 2008, 04:02:40 AM
 :D Right on, Buttercup!!
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: NicholeW. on May 31, 2008, 07:36:36 AM
I'd think he'd at least consider the snaps of him with his penis sticking through a cardboard box that were made when he was in college. They could resurface, I would imagine. They were published in the mid-seventies when he was tight with the Orange-juice Queen, Anita Bryant, and her gay-bashing that was making national headlines.

When you're as old as he is, washed up in your chosen field and your name isn't George Burns, Katherine Hepburn or Henry Fonda, maybe you just go for whatever pub ya can find

Nichole
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Shana A on May 31, 2008, 07:46:34 AM
Wahoo! Who appointed him as a legislator of morality? Oh, himself of course...  ::) Well, I never liked his music, and his opinions and critical thinking skills aren't doing much for me either.

Zythyra
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Lisbeth on May 31, 2008, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Natasha on May 31, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
"And we're finding, to growing dismay, we're not up to the job!"

Just like everyone else throughout history who tried to do the same.

Quote from: Zythyra on May 31, 2008, 07:46:34 AM
Wahoo! Who appointed him as a legislator of morality?

I believe he would say the answer to that is god.  Of course, if you asked god, you might get a different answer.
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Shana A on May 31, 2008, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: Lisbeth on May 31, 2008, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Zythyra on May 31, 2008, 07:46:34 AM
Wahoo! Who appointed him as a legislator of morality?

I believe he would say the answer to that is god.  Of course, if you asked god, you might get a different answer.

Ha, I just asked G-d, she said she didn't know him...  >:D

Z
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: NicholeW. on May 31, 2008, 10:36:48 AM
Now why would She tell you that, sweetie? Must be having you on a bit.

Mom tells me he's just an aberrent contrarian and has been a handful to mother over the years.

Says she loves him, but he occasionally requires a longer time-out than most of her other children!!  :laugh: :laugh:

She also says he gets on pretty well with the other aberrent children in the time-out room!  >:D

Nichole
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: androgynetg on May 31, 2008, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: Natasha on May 31, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
So we can't legislate morality? .. "And we're finding, to growing dismay, we're not up to the job!

"From our founding days, there was a universal acceptance of the Ten Commandments"

I don't want to be accused of Christion bashing but the good book had this to say on slavery and women:

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are"

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished"

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's"

Anyone here want to buy a nearly new 'wife' ..  :angel:
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Shana A on May 31, 2008, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Nichole on May 31, 2008, 10:36:48 AM
She also says he gets on pretty well with the other aberrent children in the time-out room!  >:D

Nichole

I wonder if we can send him and all the other intolerant peeps in the time out room to another galaxy, far, far away   >:D

Z
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: NicholeW. on May 31, 2008, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: Zythyra on May 31, 2008, 11:42:27 AM
I wonder if we can send him and all the other intolerant peeps in the time out room to another galaxy, far, far away   >:D

Z

So they could link up with Darth Vader and the Emperor? No thanks!! They might return here with a Death Star and legislate morality that way!!  :laugh: :laugh:

N~
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Hazumu on May 31, 2008, 12:57:07 PM
1) I don't like this article either, but y'all have already said the things I'd say (and a few others I'd not thought about...) so;

2) After reading all the bat*****ery coming out of the
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworldnetdaily.com%2Fimages%2Fworldnetdaily.jpg&hash=ab6fd7930e4b5faa87e4261d8e65e226d04faf60),
I really feel they don't fight fair by not having a comments section.  So many times I've wished to challenge their pronouncements <sigh>

3) is this his REAL picture? 
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworldnetdaily.com%2Fimages%2Fboone.jpg&hash=55fdc1df367892ad667fa4481ced93f702564fc0)
Does he color? Does he botox?

=K
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Shana A on May 31, 2008, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: Karen on May 31, 2008, 12:57:07 PM
3) is this his REAL picture? 
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworldnetdaily.com%2Fimages%2Fboone.jpg&hash=55fdc1df367892ad667fa4481ced93f702564fc0)
Does he color? Does he botox?

=K

LOL, sure looks like he does  >:D

Z
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: tekla on May 31, 2008, 05:22:10 PM
No botox, but there is a picture of him in an attic that gets older every day.
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Shana A on May 31, 2008, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: tekla on May 31, 2008, 05:22:10 PM
No botox, but there is a picture of him in an attic that gets older every day.

IMO, he's not deserving of comparison to an Oscar Wilde novel ::)

Of course, Pat probably wouldn't want to be in Wilde's company either....  >:D

Z
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: tekla on May 31, 2008, 05:31:59 PM
Yeah, well he ruined both Big Joe Turner and Little Richard, so Oscar would be in fine company.
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Shana A on May 31, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ashley Elizabeth on May 31, 2008, 06:15:46 PM
pssst....thats judiasm, not christianity

I'm often annoyed by the religious rights' appropriation of Judaism when they need an old testament law to prove some point.

Z
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: joannatsf on May 31, 2008, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: androgynetg on May 31, 2008, 11:15:41 AM


"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's"


You've obviously not seen my neighbour's ass!  ;D

Posted on: 31 May 2008, 17:00:41
Quote from: Ashley Elizabeth on May 31, 2008, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on May 31, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ashley Elizabeth on May 31, 2008, 06:15:46 PM
pssst....thats judiasm, not christianity

I'm often annoyed by the religious rights' appropriation of Judaism when they need an old testament law to prove some point.

Z


what always makes me giggle is that as gentiles, they wouldnt even have been allowed IN the temple

Jesus was all about rejection of the Old Law.  The New Testament isn't very long on specifics and what it does specify has to do with kindness and charity, hardly the stuff you can run an empire on.  Scripture was adapted to meet the needs of the Roman Empire and exercise social control for the benefit of the upper/ruling class.  The song remains the same, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: Lokaeign on June 03, 2008, 01:35:53 AM
I love the way he lumps atheism in with anti-semitism and racism, btw.  Very slick.
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: cindianna_jones on June 03, 2008, 02:14:38 AM
You can't piss on my shoe and tell me it's raining.... especially while quoting the good book!

I have to wonder.... exactly when was marriage pulled into any federal law?  It isn't in the constitution is it?

Cinders
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: NicholeW. on June 03, 2008, 03:46:39 PM
Marriage is one of those "powers not ennumerated" that are left to individual states and localities to regulate. That's what is so BS about DOMA. The federal government has no jurisdiction over marriage except for recognition of a different sex marriage for the purposes of tax breaks, etc.

My partner and I will probably get civilly unionized in NJ at some point. But, we don't need it for anyone but ourselves. There are a lot of very good arguments against having gay marriages that have been put-forward by gay people. The best one, imo, is that marriage is about people 'plaiting troth' with one another. A personal committment to each other's lives. How does a government, or a church for that matter, sanction or not sanction an oath made by two or more parties to hold fast to one another?

Besides, since same-sex marriage (and each state would probably define it somewhat differently) is not recognized by the Feds, the tax-break advantage and inheritance-tax advantage and social security survivor's benefits advantage doesn't even add that weight to the positives for same-sex marriages.

Pat Boone is an aged moron who was indoctrinated into his Church of Christ molding from birth. His morality I am certain draws the immorality line somewhere on the other side of encouraging and commending hatred and loathing for others different than he is. That, imo, is immoral.

Nichole
Title: Re: So we can't legislate morality?
Post by: joannatsf on June 03, 2008, 07:07:02 PM
Marriage also imparts certain rights but it all has to do with money and property.  For example it's pretty damn tough to disinherit a spouse in the absence of a pre-nup.  A spouse also has rights to pensions and Soc. Sec. in the event of divorce.  It creates a more formal property distribution scheme.  As you know, it's much harder to get out of.

A spouse also has decision making privileges in the event of catastrophic health problems, i.e Terry Chiavo.  During the AIDS crises in the 80s partners could be barred from visitation by religious parents.