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Title: Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys (commentary)
Post by: Natasha on June 04, 2008, 05:40:03 PM
Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys

http://www.intersexualite.org/Zucker_boys.html
6/4/2008

"When examining the work of Kenneth J. Zucker, we find labels,
statistics, and lies. Although many homosexuals have been described as
being masculine in behavior, an examination of their lives in
childhood has found that many were "feminine" in behavior. (1)
Reports of extreme boyhood "femininity" had also been thought to
characterize male to female transsexualism. (2) In fact, there had
been disagreement as to whether such extreme femininity dating back to
age one or two was a representation of what would become "feminine"
male homosexuality (3), or true transsexuality, known also as primary
transsexualism or total psychosexual inversion (4)."
Title: Re: Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys (commentary)
Post by: tinkerbell on June 04, 2008, 07:48:00 PM
Quote from: Natasha on June 04, 2008, 05:40:03 PM
Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys

http://www.intersexualite.org/Zucker_boys.html
6/4/2008

"When examining the work of Kenneth J. Zucker, we find labels,
statistics, and lies. Although many homosexuals have been described as
being masculine in behavior, an examination of their lives in
childhood has found that many were "feminine" in behavior. (1)
Reports of extreme boyhood "femininity" had also been thought to
characterize male to female transsexualism. (2) In fact, there had
been disagreement as to whether such extreme femininity dating back to
age one or two was a representation of what would become "feminine"
male homosexuality (3), or true transsexuality, known also as primary
transsexualism or total psychosexual inversion (4)."


Exactly, but again and sorry to sound like a broken record...what does a non-ts person (psychiatrist, therapist, God or whatever) know about being born transsexual?  Absolutely NOTHING! All the years in medical school/college are NEVER going to compare to what a person born transsexual goes through, so back off Zucker and team (and followers)!  >:(

tink :icon_chick:
Title: Re: Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys (commentary)
Post by: NicholeW. on June 04, 2008, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: Tink on June 04, 2008, 07:48:00 PM
Exactly, but again and sorry to sound like a broken record...what does a non-ts person (psychiatrist, therapist, God or whatever) know about being born transsexual?  Absolutely NOTHING! All the years in medical school/college is NEVER going to compare to what a person born transsexual goes through, so back off Zucker and team (and followers)!  >:(

tink :icon_chick:

You tell'em, sistah!! Someone make sure she's not preparing the oven punch bowl (hahahahaha) for Zucker tartare, OK?  >:D >:D

Because, if I am reading Hinckle correctly he's trying to get CAMH & Zucker pretty much prosecuted in Canada for defrauding the government out of funding grants. And trying, and succeeding in perpetrating frauds in his work on the research community.

Damn, they thought Lynn and Andrea were tough on Bailey!! Carl Hinkle goes for the jugular!!

Hope someone in authority pays attention and at least investigates a bit. If proven it seems to me like that could be huge in a number of ways. Especially reducing the divide between 'primaries' and 'secondaries' as being sham anyhow.

Great FIND Tasha!!

Nichole
Title: Re: Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys (commentary)
Post by: Dennis on June 04, 2008, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: Nichole on June 04, 2008, 10:11:23 PM

You tell'em, sistah!! Someone makes sure she's not preparing the oven fpr Zucker tartare, OK?  >:D >:D



Geez Nichole, tartare is not prepared in an oven. It's raw, with spices. *hands Tink the worcestershire sauce and garlic*

Dennis
Title: Re: Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys (commentary)
Post by: NicholeW. on June 04, 2008, 11:48:13 PM
Quote from: Dennis on June 04, 2008, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: Nichole on June 04, 2008, 10:11:23 PM

You tell'em, sistah!! Someone makes sure she's not preparing the oven for Zucker tartare, OK?  >:D >:D



Geez Nichole, tartare is not prepared in an oven. It's raw, with spices. *hands Tink the worcestershire sauce and garlic*

Dennis

Geez, Dennis, you're absolutely right!! But, if we let her kill and eat him, he'll never stand trial!! He could actually become a martyr to Tink's Lector-ship tour!!! Can't we make her wait to see if the Federal investigators get sent in first?

O, what the hey. OK, let her have 'im. True that her previous staff dinners have been to die for!!  >:D

N~
Title: Re: Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys (commentary)
Post by: Seshatneferw on June 05, 2008, 02:01:26 PM
Quote from: Nichole on June 04, 2008, 11:48:13 PM
But, if we let her kill and eat him, he'll never stand trial!!

No need to kill him first, tartare is supposed to be fresh anyway.  >:D

As for the article, wow! It's been a while since I last saw scientific debate (well, in this case sort of) get this nasty.

  Nfr
Title: Re: Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys (commentary)
Post by: tinkerbell on June 05, 2008, 08:24:11 PM
Quote from: Nichole on June 04, 2008, 11:48:13 PM
If we let her kill and eat him, he'll never stand trial!! He could actually become a martyr to Tink's Lector-ship tour!!!

Lector-ship tour? LOL  ;D  Oh Nichole, people are going to think that I am some kind of monster!  >:D


Quote from: Nichole on June 04, 2008, 11:48:13 PM


True that her previous staff dinners have been to die for!!  >:D

N~

Uh-huh, but there are still a few "friends" that I would love to have for dinner.  ;)

tink :icon_chick:
Title: Re: Zucker: Manipulation of Young Feminine Boys (commentary)
Post by: Suzy on June 05, 2008, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Tink on June 05, 2008, 08:24:11 PM

Uh-huh, but there are still a few "friends" that I would love to have for dinner.  ;)
tink :icon_chick:

Wow, Tink!  I didn't even know you were a cannibal.     (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mocoforo.com%2Fforo%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2Fdiablo.gif&hash=b252c3043dbdab5576201538de9517191a32734a)

As for Zucker, he seems to have made up his mind, and then done all he can to push the data (meaning the unfortunate ones under his "counseling") to that conclusion.  I assure you, if I control the slant of the data, I can predict the outcome before it even happens.  This is poor science.

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