I was wondering, if people would see and know instantly what gender I am. (Do not want.) Or they don't know and can't figure it out. (do want.)
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Oh course I need alittle work, I just got it to this. :embarrassed:
Oh and what would you call it besides being an androgyne. A drag prince maybe? It sounds kinda cute. ^_^
I just wanted to say nice ornament around your neck in the second image. You are a fan of Naruto?
Lulz, thank you, and yes I am. Naurto's actually my favorite, followede closely by Sasuke. Love your Display pic by the way.
Thanks. I'm sure you have recognized who it is. :laugh:
You are very pretty in both images. I don't know, if that is what you are looking for through...
You have a lot of feminine features. I'm kind of envious.
I would say female, not andro at all. Want to be honest with you.
You have a beautiful face and lovely eyes that's for sure.
Large eyes are a female trait, women have on average
eyes 50% bigger proportionally to head
(mostly due to male bossing making eyes appear smaller)
and obviously impossible to hide. Though subtle
makeup maybe could make them look smaller.
(if its not subtle it would have the opposite effect
of making them more feminine).
Subtle corrective makeup could make your face look more
angular, buts its hard to pull off for amateurs.
I see this kind of haircut on women all the time around here
so that colors my interpretation no doubt.
I love your hair, it has mucho sheen.
Not sure how to make it more androgynous.
Maybe untrimed eyebrows would help?
Hey Blackrabbit,
While you have many feminine features, I think you have a fair bit of leeway to play with by, as Keira said, growing your eyebrows out. Also, a different hairstyle, more masculine or unisex would help, just be careful of not going too male, otherwise you will end up looking like a butch girl instead. Understated is the watchword here, so look through some magazines and speak to a good stylist.
Make-up is probably not the road you wanna go, but by using some of the same techniques that CD's use to feminise their faces, only in reverse, could also help alot.
Longer term though, you want some leaning out of the face and fat-redistribution more than anything else, and the only way to do so is through partial transition, with VERY low doses of T. That of course means finding a sympathetic therapist, which is a lot harder for androgynes than for TS', methinks.
Sorry I can't be more helpful honey, but you can do a fair bit with corrective make-up and a different cut. Perhaps the other androgynes and the FtM's will be able to give you better advice, so it might be worth reposting this topic into the FtM boards as well - don't know if duplicate posting is acceptable at Susan's, but you could maybe ask a moderator to move your post to the more general TG section, or you could post another topic in FtM with a link to this one.
~Simone.
Quote from: BlackRabbit on June 29, 2008, 09:28:43 PM
Lulz, thank you, and yes I am. Naurto's actually my favorite, followede closely by Sasuke. Love your Display pic by the way.
BELIEVE IT!!!!
:icon_no:
...I'm sorry...I could not help myself...
I also think you have a feminine (and pretty!) face, but the hairstyle in the top photo accentuates it a bit. The bottom photo is harder to tell, but I guess it would be from that angle. (don't feel bad though...I have a SUPER girly face)
PS...I think "drag prince" is an adorable term...:D
Quote from: Jaimey on June 30, 2008, 07:28:33 PM
PS...I think "drag prince" is an adorable term...:D
I love it, so cute. I'm going to steal your term and call myself a drag princess. :angel:
Maybe I'm getting too old to be a princess. I'm probably more like a Drag Contessa.
Quote from: NickSister on June 30, 2008, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on June 30, 2008, 07:28:33 PM
PS...I think "drag prince" is an adorable term...:D
I love it, so cute. I'm going to steal your term and call myself a drag princess. :angel:
Maybe I'm getting too old to be a princess. I'm probably more like a Drag Contessa.
Guess I'm a drag crone ;)
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on June 30, 2008, 10:41:32 PM
Quote from: NickSister on June 30, 2008, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on June 30, 2008, 07:28:33 PM
PS...I think "drag prince" is an adorable term...:D
I love it, so cute. I'm going to steal your term and call myself a drag princess. :angel:
Maybe I'm getting too old to be a princess. I'm probably more like a Drag Contessa.
Guess I'm a drag crone ;)
Z
Lulz, you're all totally awesome. ^_^ I'm glad people don't think it's a stupid idea and thanks for begin honest and nice. :D
You do look pretty feminine, but I know exactly how you feel about not wanting to have people go "That's a female" right away. I have to agree with everyone that the haircut doesn't help your case of wanting to look neutral but you are very attractive.
A shorter haircut that's a little more maleish is probably the easiest thing you can do without doing anything else major (it's what I did).
you are gorgeous, but your hairstyle is quite feminine. For and andro look go for a GUYS skater cut. The flippy doo is super gender neutral. With that it will pull masculine features out more. Remember a feminine face does not pull away from your ability to be Andro, your mannerisms and behaviors will effect that much more.
You do look fairly feminine...
In the first picture however you are wearing a strictly girls top, you should change that if you want to look more masculine/androgynes.
From the pictures I think it is easy to notice your femine qualities but that does not mean you can't adopt more male ones..I have seen a lot of emo types that have confused me as to their true gender.
there are many ways to be androgyne one way is to hide all gendered markers the other is to add enough gendered markers from the "other" side so that people are confused which side of the fence you are on. Seven is good with a draw on beard sie can probably give hints on how that worked for them.
for me I'm Male boddied full beard and always wearing breastforms and mostly fem clothes and I'm seen as gender diverse or gay by most people I think so it works for me.
I'm just a drag,
The bonus, you don't need to look androgynous to be an andro. Thank goodness.
Quote from: Pica Pica on October 24, 2010, 09:40:18 AM
you don't need to look androgynous to be an andro. Thank goodness.
Thank goodness.
i only see a very gorgeous to be girl. when ur age 20s, u will be very preety. i guest now u still teen right?
Do you mind if I post my pics here? I want to ask the same question as you, or would you prefer me to start a new thread? I just don't want to be rude.
It wouldn't bother me, but I'm not the OP.
I think anyone can look androgyne, really. As Kinkly said, there's ways and ways.
Back in the 90's, I used to wear my floral skirts and paratrooper boots with my stirrup pants, my men's t-shirts and flannel overshirt if it was cold.
Back then though, I *just* thought I was dykey. Now wondering how I could have been swimming in de'Nial for so long and not gotten wet... ::)
Quote from: ThenWeWereFlying on November 09, 2010, 07:52:03 PM
Do you mind if I post my pics here? I want to ask the same question as you, or would you prefer me to start a new thread? I just don't want to be rude.
Fine by me, also. I'm mildly surprised that a few haven't already.
It's a legit question if anyone was to ask me.
If you look, you'll find mtf and ftm threads for posting pics. I haven't looked for awhile now, but I'm sure they are still up and running. Just remember that any personal stuff about your identity that you post is your own responsibility. There was a problem of pics posted that were taken and used in a slam on TG's blog a while back.
Quote from: ativan on November 10, 2010, 12:04:47 AM
Fine by me, also. I'm mildly surprised that a few haven't already.
It's a legit question if anyone was to ask me.
If you look, you'll find mtf and ftm threads for posting pics. I haven't looked for awhile now, but I'm sure they are still up and running. Just remember that any personal stuff about your identity that you post is your own responsibility. There was a problem of pics posted that were taken and used in a slam on TG's blog a while back.
Alright, thanks! ^^
Mm, so I'm gonna post some pics that show that I don't have good hair yet. D: I wanna know if I can pull it off, it's more about the facial structure and everything, not about the hair.
Fff There's some others, not sure if I should put them up.
I have a very feminine profile.
Nah, you can look androgyne, easy-short, shaggy haircut.
Quote from: rite_of_inversion on November 10, 2010, 10:27:40 PM
Nah, you can look androgyne, easy-short, shaggy haircut.
Yay, thanks. ^^
Hm, I'm certain that my hair would curl, or at least become very wavy if I cut it short. Do you still think that would look okay or no?
Hmm...not certain...
Think so...but you might be stuck using lots of pomade.
I think you could do a short back and sides. If you cut it short enough it won't curl. Not like a buzz cut though.
You'd make a pretty boy, but a definite boy, nonetheless.
For the OP: Unfortunately your cheeks do really scream female. I think you could probably get away with looking like an 11 year old boy, but that's probably not really the look you're going for either. You might want to look at it from the other side and think 'if I was actually a boy, what would I do to try to look feminine?'
And to flying: You can definately pull it off. You have a nice jawline; I'd go short with the hair but mine's short so I tend to lean that way :) Good luck!
Flying you do have a nice jawline, and good brows. Your face can totally go either way I think. The hair does read fem...duh. If your hair curls or goes all wavy there's always those hair flatterner thingies... like a curler but...the oppisite. :P
Quote from: ThenWeWereFlying on November 10, 2010, 10:44:48 PM
Yay, thanks. ^^
Hm, I'm certain that my hair would curl, or at least become very wavy if I cut it short. Do you still think that would look okay or no?
A flat iron can be your best friend. A razor cut, flat iron, and some styling wax; you'll be all set.
Flat iron! Yes! That's the word I was looking for :)
Wow, thanks, everyone! :]
I'm gonna figure out a style that would work, and then figure it out. People keep telling me not to cut my hair and how lovely it is. :/
Wig, perhaps? Then I wouldn't have to bother styling at all. And I know where to get nice ones that people have thought are my real hair before for a very good price. >D
I actually just bleached the ends of my hair, and they're a nice goldish color. If I were to get a wig, do you think it would be better in a dark-yellowish color (color produced by the bleach) or black? Keep in mind that the wig, no matter what color, would be long enough for styling.
I also feel lame for wanting to use a wig, but eh. :/ Ffff. As I said, I just bleached my hair, and I'm definitely enjoying it too much to chop it off right now.
You look very feminine in the first pic, but in the ones you showed later in the thread, I think you look somewhat androgynous.
Why do you want to look androgynous anyway? Just curious.
Quote from: Pundit on November 15, 2010, 12:44:08 AM
You look very feminine in the first pic, but in the ones you showed later in the thread, I think you look somewhat androgynous.
Why do you want to look androgynous anyway? Just curious.
Alright, thanks.
Well, there are several reasons I guess, the first off being I don't feel totally comfortable as female, although I've learned to conform to most standards/mannerisms/etc. I don't know. I generally prefer men's clothes, and refused to wear skirts until I was at least ten or eleven, ha. Obviously, clothes don't make the man, but I strongly opposed to feeling feminine, and generally female.
I also feel like androgyny can still be beautiful while defying the limitations imposed by gender. In fact, it's almost an expression of enlightened beauty, overcoming the crude gender boundaries. And as a human, isn't it natural to want to be attractive and intelligent?
OP, with a different haircut you could totally look androgynous. Remember, a lot of guys with longer hair don't keep it groomed as much as girls do.
Thenwewereflying, you look awesome. Your profile is stunning, and your straight-on is def androgynous.
QuoteThenwewereflying, you look awesome. Your profile is stunning, and your straight-on is def androgynous
Agreed, you're a good-looking person...and your facial features are both strong and attractive.
So I think it comes down to haircut, clothing, body language, and attitude as to how you'll be perceived.
(BTW, Riley, liking the 70's cop-show thing you have going there...)
Wow! Thanks to everyone who's replied on this...You're all awesome, aha.
And Riley, I am definitely jealous of those glasses.
I can post here too? Yes? xD
I think I am an example anybody can look andro.
REgular pic- long hair:
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Hiding hair:
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I'm thinking about cutting my hair soon :)
You look totally andro, Shai!
Thanks! That means a ton. :D
Yep, Andro
Holy crap! You are a fantastic andro!
Quote from: Shai on December 07, 2010, 01:07:38 PM
I can post here too? Yes? xD
I think I am an example anybody can look andro.
REgular pic- long hair:
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Hiding hair:
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I'm thinking about cutting my hair soon :)
shai for some reason some some of the pics look like a fem guy and others look more like a manly girl but I dont know why 2 almost identical photos make me think one is fem male and the other butch female, congratulations on achieveing your androgynous look :)
yep feminine guy
but really android at the same time.
Well on the one hand Black Rabbit you look a bit like an ex girlfriend of mine, but then she sometimes got mistaken for being male anyway. Personally dont care how people see me, at times i have spent hours putting on make up trying to look really girly only to go out in public and have people shout out "->-bleeped-<-" and then there have been occasions at work when i have been reffered to as "love" by men, only to have them say sorry when they realise i am a bloke (well in their eyes anyway) Feel that on the inside i am more female than male and as its my life thats all that counts.