Yeah you guys have probably had a million threads like this but I backtracked a little bit and couldn't really find any exact matches as to what I'm asking.
So what does being androgyne mean to you? Is it just the clothes you prefer? Is it wanting to present as a certain sex 24/7 or just part of the time? Dysphoria toward your body? To what degree? Do you like being viewed as the opposite of your physical gender when walking down the street or do you enjoy people being unsure as to which gender you are?
Curiosity killed the cat eh. Sorry if any of the questions were out of line, don't mean to offend, I'm just curious.
I think it means we are equally comfortable (or equally uncomfortable) in either role.
means you can be anything you want to be when you want to be it
For me it means that I have no way of saying that i am either male or female, there is no sure internal knowledge one way or the other. It also tends to mean the problems, issues and various consequences of this lack of internal knowledge.
Interesting answers. Anyone agree with something someone else said or do you all have your differing opinions? :)
Quote from: Pica Pica on August 16, 2008, 02:13:46 AM
For me it means that I have no way of saying that i am either male or female, there is no sure internal knowledge one way or the other. It also tends to mean the problems, issues and various consequences of this lack of internal knowledge.
agree, well said.
Quote from: trapthavok on August 15, 2008, 09:51:42 PM
So what does being androgyne mean to you? Is it just the clothes you prefer? Is it wanting to present as a certain sex 24/7 or just part of the time? Dysphoria toward your body? To what degree? Do you like being viewed as the opposite of your physical gender when walking down the street or do you enjoy people being unsure as to which gender you are?
For me it means that I'm neither male or female, however I lean more toward female. It's way beyond clothes, it is my internal sense of gender, and at one point my dysphoria was intense enough that I transitioned m2f for a year plus. 15 years later, and I am not happy living as male, so am heading towards transition again, g-d/dess help me.
Zythyra
Androgyny for me means feeling divine, angelic ..because angels are androgynous too! ;)
for me its not fitting in either Male or female boxes there seem to be 3 types of androgynes
not fem enough to be a girl & not manly enough to be a boy or
too much of a man to be a girl & too much of a girl to be a man
some people feel rhey are the other binary gender but have no desire to change.
I'm sticking with my gray puddle example and saying just to be able to be everything and nothing at the same time. I <3 you Schro:
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For me, it's just a part of who I am...I guess, to be a little more specific, it's the freedom from forcing myself to fit into the binary of male/female. It's unrestricted.
Quote from: BlackRabbit on August 16, 2008, 06:33:30 PM
I'm sticking with my gray puddle example and saying just to be able to be everything and nothing at the same time. I <3 you Schro:
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Agree 100% I always wanted to be and do everything I could, but the closest I could get to that, gender-wise, is by identifying as androgyne. Now, instead of worrying about how I present to people, I just try my best to act myself and ignore the labels that people put on behavior, dress how I like and stop making excuses for things I do and feel.
Quote from: tekla on August 15, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
I think it means we are equally comfortable (or equally uncomfortable) in either role.
That pretty much sums it up for me, too.
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on August 18, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: tekla on August 15, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
I think it means we are equally comfortable (or equally uncomfortable) in either role.
That pretty much sums it up for me, too.
I just cant be comfortable with either role...although I find the feminine role a little easier and it doesnt work on my nerves
I am just uncomfortable with both :\
Quote from: Veetje on August 18, 2008, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on August 18, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: tekla on August 15, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
I think it means we are equally comfortable (or equally uncomfortable) in either role.
That pretty much sums it up for me, too.
I just cant be comfortable with either role...although I find the feminine role a little easier and it doesnt work on my nerves
I am just uncomfortable with both :\
There are days when I'm perfectly cool with being bio-male and the role that goes with it. Then, there are days when I'm OK with the anatomy but not the role.
I ALWAYS wish I had absolutely no body hair. But, I've got my dad's pale Irish skin and my mom's dark Italian hair. That part, I can say for certain I am always uncomfortable with. If I had my way, every last hair below my eyebrows (and I do mean EVERY LAST HAIR, bush included) was disappear forever.
There are days (more often than not) when I wish I had breasts in addition to a penis.
But, I'm not always comfortable with being bio-male. Likewise, I don't think I'd be always un/comfortable as a bio-female. There are days (again, more often than not) when I wish I lacked the harsh jaw-line and had more femle hips.
AND, I'm not always un/comfortable being in between or neither. I'm being to like the phrase "gender fluid" more and more, as it seems to capture my moods.
That's my $0.04 (two cents times two).
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on August 18, 2008, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: Veetje on August 18, 2008, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on August 18, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: tekla on August 15, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
I think it means we are equally comfortable (or equally uncomfortable) in either role.
That pretty much sums it up for me, too.
I just cant be comfortable with either role...although I find the feminine role a little easier and it doesnt work on my nerves
I am just uncomfortable with both :\
There are days when I'm perfectly cool with being bio-male and the role that goes with it. Then, there are days when I'm OK with the anatomy but not the role.
I ALWAYS wish I had absolutely no body hair. But, I've got my dad's pale Irish skin and my mom's dark Italian hair. That part, I can say for certain I am always uncomfortable with. If I had my way, every last hair below my eyebrows (and I do mean EVERY LAST HAIR, bush included) was disappear forever.
There are days (more often than not) when I wish I had breasts in addition to a penis.
But, I'm not always comfortable with being bio-male. Likewise, I don't think I'd be always un/comfortable as a bio-female. There are days (again, more often than not) when I wish I lacked the harsh jaw-line and had more femle hips.
AND, I'm not always un/comfortable being in between or neither. I'm being to like the phrase "gender fluid" more and more, as it seems to capture my moods.
That's my $0.04 (two cents times two).
Oh yes, the body hair is annoying! Gawd, women have it so easy! :P
I dont really have a very harsh jaw line, but it does irritate me that its not entirely feminine....people say I have a feminine face, or a rather feminine face but its not good enough!
And yes, those hips cant lie...
Quote from: Veetje on August 18, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Oh yes, the body hair is annoying! Gawd, women have it so easy! :P
I have more leg hair than any other caucasian female bodied person I've ever seen, and even more of it than most guys my age or even a little older :D Actually I quite like it but on the whole you are right about most women having it easier in regards to body hair.
I dislike the body hair too... and also the increasing lack of hair on top of my head isn't making me happy :(
Z
If there ever were a thread to scare me about taking T, this would be it.
Quote from: Nero on August 18, 2008, 04:58:07 PM
If there ever were a thread to scare me about taking T, this would be it.
LOL
Yeah, the side effects are significant ::)
Z
The only time I ever liked my body hair was in high school. When I was being teased in the locker room by all these hairless apes because I was so thin, I could pull off my shirt and proclaim all the hair was due to BALLS!
LOL ;D :P
Quote from: Veetje on August 18, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Oh yes, the body hair is annoying! Gawd, women have it so easy! :P
Oh, if only that were true! Genetics can be a bitch, especially when it comes to the female body and the hair on it. If I ever have the money, some serious permanent hair removal is in order. And I think more female bodied people have body hair issues than not. I know only one or two women who can go more than 2 or 3 days without shaving their legs and most females I know have a few (or more...it's like asking a woman her age ::)) pesky chin hairs and mustaches. ;)
Quote from: Jaimey on August 18, 2008, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Veetje on August 18, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Oh yes, the body hair is annoying! Gawd, women have it so easy! :P
Oh, if only that were true! Genetics can be a bitch, especially when it comes to the female body and the hair on it. If I ever have the money, some serious permanent hair removal is in order. And I think more female bodied people have body hair issues than not. I know only one or two women who can go more than 2 or 3 days without shaving their legs and most females I know have a few (or more...it's like asking a woman her age ::)) pesky chin hairs and mustaches. ;)
Most of the "permanent" hair removal I've researched defines "permanent" as meaning one only needs about 3 treatments a year. I could go for laser, but after a time the hair would return, albeit lighter and finer. I'm thinking of getting an epillator and just doing it myself. It'll be cheaper.
Well I'm sure you guys get these threads a lot from trans guys/gals who wonder if trans is really the right word for them.... I like all the answers you guys have given, they made me think a lot. Not only was I interested in whether or not I might be androgyne but I was genuinely interested in how you define yourself too :)
It's not for me, but I still liked learning something new!
Okay, now I'm wondering if I'm in the right "place" or not.
For me, it's not about being equally (un)comfortable in "either role" -- it's about defining a third role that combines elements of the other two. I'm about balancing masculine and feminine elements, both in appearance and behavior, at the same time, not switching between them. (This is not to say that I don't believe the other definition isn't applicable, it's just that this is how I'm approaching it personally)
I was talking to a friend who has been doing the crossdressing thing in private for a while, and we were talking about doing me up, and one of the things he said was, "You should pick out your feminine name." It struck me there what things meant to me. I don't "flip" between masculine and feminine. I'm both. I'm about expressing both genders simultaneously, rather than suppressing expression completely. I want to have great hair and nice eyeliner and a comfy skirt and play Gears of War on my XBox. I want to cry when I watch a good war movie.
Is that still considered androgyne?
...Paul
Sure is, Max. Some androgynes are both male and female and others are neither.
hi ... hey you know what its so neat being androgyne , yea we are both . i am . just took me a while to see it & then get used to being like this . ...noeleena...
Quote from: CryoMax on August 29, 2008, 03:21:57 AM
Okay, now I'm wondering if I'm in the right "place" or not.
For me, it's not about being equally (un)comfortable in "either role" -- it's about defining a third role that combines elements of the other two. I'm about balancing masculine and feminine elements, both in appearance and behavior, at the same time, not switching between them. (This is not to say that I don't believe the other definition isn't applicable, it's just that this is how I'm approaching it personally)
I was talking to a friend who has been doing the crossdressing thing in private for a while, and we were talking about doing me up, and one of the things he said was, "You should pick out your feminine name." It struck me there what things meant to me. I don't "flip" between masculine and feminine. I'm both. I'm about expressing both genders simultaneously, rather than suppressing expression completely. I want to have great hair and nice eyeliner and a comfy skirt and play Gears of War on my XBox. I want to cry when I watch a good war movie.
Is that still considered androgyne?
...Paul
you sound like me except i don't want to cry in good movies i just do
Androgyne for me means not male or female.
I feel like my internal identity is neither male or female. I suffer from body dysphoria but it varies in intensity. I'm ok having a penis but would prefer to have a more female body. I'm not too bothered by my body hair though I am getting laser hair removal on my face. I suppose if I was to wear a bikini then my body hair would become an issue. As it is undercover I don't really need to think about it.
In terms of roles I am uncomfortable being lumped in with the boys and girls, though mostly I can't stand being mistaken for a guy. I can play many roles but I don't like those roles being attributed to my gender. I just am.
On another level it means feeling out of place with the world, being lonely, wanting what I can't have and having what I don't want. Not being able to connect with people the same way others can, detachment. I feel like I am missing the joke and the joke is on me. On the flip side it means feeling a certain amount of freedom. I'm not chained as other people are. There is no way I 'should' behave though I get pressure to behave a certain way.
I used to say there was no difference between men and women, other than the anatomical and learned behavior. The older I get, the less I am sure of. Maybe, it's just that I can't tell the difference. If I could dress as I feel, I would probably wear a shirt with flowing sleeves, a colorful tunic, and knee britches. I would wear my hair long, as it is, but caught up in a ribbon rather than with an elastic. Any hair if have (not much anywhere other than my head) is free to grow, though the beard looks best trimmed. I wear no jewelry (not even a wristwatch) and no makeup--and that is usually OK with me. And I carry a brown canvas and leather shoulder purse.
I am slow, clumsy, relatively lacking in mechanical skills, and mildly afraid of bugs and vermin. I do have an intuitive sense of how to make software function. When a sentence starts, "All men..." it rarely includes me. I like to cook, sew, knit, and care for children and animals. Which means at a party, I am likely the only male talking with the group in the kitchen. Though I am not obsessed with cleaning up immediately after a party (I'd rather do it the next day). And I also like to hike, ride a bicycle, and drive an adept car with manual shift along quiet curving country roads.
Identifying as an androgyne, means not having to feel guilty that I am not a real man. It also means I need not transition, which simplifies my relationships, somewhat. It means it's OK to look at a woman and wish I had her body. Identifying as an androgyne means that for the first time in my life I can be open with people, meaning the people on this forum. It doesn't mean I know whether I am male, female, both, or neither.
Sorry for being so self-absorbed,
S
we are the same person simone.
and dressed a bit like this
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or
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Quote from: Simone Louise on September 02, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
I used to say there was no difference between men and women, other than the anatomical and learned behavior.
My thoughts exactly...
I love the clothes in those photos Pica!!! I have a very frilly shirt and top hat that I LOVE to wear!!!
Quote from: Pica Pica on September 02, 2008, 04:28:07 PM
we are the same person simone.
and dressed a bit like this
We do seem to be kindred spirits. I have some of the clothes from doing colonial-era reenacting. I bought the britches and stockings and shoes, but I made the linen shirt and cap, red tunic, and blue wool farmer's smock myself. I don't have any digital photos or I would post them. Besides, you are the beautiful one.
Too bad we live so far apart. I just put the leftovers from a large pot of excellent chili in the fridge. There's some beer in there, too. And I've a new unopened bottle of Vechio Romagna brandy for after dinner. I might have shown you one of my most treasured books over such a drink, _Walks and Talks of an American Farmer in England_ written 150 years ago by Frederick Law Olmsted, who would later design Central Park in New York City. He walked through the countryside from the outskirts of Liverpool to Portsmouth. He writes that a similar journey could be made by someone "with small means, ... who is willing to 'rough it.'" I'm willing.
To England,
S
Olmstead also did the park system in Louisville. They are lovely! :D
androgyne geeks ::)
Quote from: Nicky on September 02, 2008, 09:55:42 PM
androgyne geeks ::)
Geek for life! Proud of it :D
BTW, nice tattoo :)
hi...it means to me i can be just me with both male & female . i am free to be who i am . i lived as a male for 50 years ..... yea .... & now as a women ..... oh yea & this part is.... so so.... neat .....its the real me now. oh there are thing,s i would like to be changed will i let that stop me ,,,no way. i have had so far 11 years living as a women . so i know both sides yet it,s still just me i am just so happy being a women well this is just me ...... noeleena...
Quote from: Nicky on September 01, 2008, 03:57:35 PM
Androgyne for me means not male or female.
I feel like my internal identity is neither male or female. I suffer from body dysphoria but it varies in intensity. I'm ok having a penis but would prefer to have a more female body........
On another level it means feeling out of place with the world, being lonely, wanting what I can't have and having what I don't want. Not being able to connect with people the same way others can, detachment.........
I can identify fully with you in this, Nicky.
I feel neither male nor female and this has made me feel 'alien' for countless years. I look at males and females and keep thinking to myself, "god, I have nothing in common with these people." It really screws me up at times.