I just saw a re-run of Lando Thomas on Maury. Lando's FTM, and he started transitioning at eighteen. He said that his transition was quick, and that he was a passing man within a month of starting hormones. I was under the impression that it took much longer. How long did it take for you to pass?
You don't even need to be on hormones ^.^ I've passed a few times, it just really depends on when you realize what combination of things people see as the gender you are targeting. Also, other factors matter such as your voice and face and behavior.
I already pass and I'm not on hormones.
How fast hormones get started is different for everyone. It depends mostly on the following factors:
1) Your genetics
2) Your age
3) Your dose
4) Any other conditions that may affect it
It usually doesn't take only a month to grow a beard and stuff. Just look at biomale teenagers. Most boys don't grow facial hair until they're in their 20's. It's the rare kid that will sprout a full face of hair at 16.
I have heard things tend to happen in this order:
Moods change
Metabolism/appetite changes
Voice cracks
Body hair
Body composition (muscle/fat distribution)
Voice deepens
Facial hair (a reasonable amount, anyway)
I did not mention to growth of the clitoris because no one has told me when that happens.
It's different for everyone. Some people get a mustache right away. Some people's voices drop really quickly. Some guys never get facial hair. Some guys experience an increase in their size of their hands and feet. Some guys even claim to get taller after they have started T.
Quote from: Lindsey on August 23, 2008, 10:02:44 PM
I just saw a re-run of Lando Thomas on Maury. Lando's FTM, and he started transitioning at eighteen. He said that his transition was quick, and that he was a passing man within a month of starting hormones. I was under the impression that it took much longer. How long did it take for you to pass?
Well, I can't' answer your question directly. But I do think it usually takes longer to transition. To complete transition in one month on hormones seems far fetched. Passing? Sure, for some. Finished transforming? No way. Here is a photo timeline over the course of 5 years for CJ Tune, chairman of Transgender Michigan.
Edit: I now see a note on his site I have to ask permision before posting a link.
ReEdit: Posted the link below in a new response.
Elwood's order seems about correct, at least parring with everything I've read/heard. And growth of clit, I've heard from two sources that it starts growing almost immediately after starting HRT, but then again that's only two sources.
Passing can happen anytime, without any hormones or surgery. I know I can pass if I wore a binder and cut my hair. And passing is a relative term anyways, some people just want to look mostly like a guy, some want to be blaringly male, some are okay with simply raising confusion. ;D
Quote from: freespeechz on August 24, 2008, 01:29:13 AMElwood's order seems about correct, at least parring with everything I've read/heard. And growth of clit, I've heard from two sources that it starts growing almost immediately after starting HRT, but then again that's only two sources.
Passing can happen anytime, without any hormones or surgery. I know I can pass if I wore a binder and cut my hair. And passing is a relative term anyways, some people just want to look mostly like a guy, some want to be blaringly male, some are okay with simply raising confusion. ;D
That'll be the most "shocking" change for me. "OMG. I have a tiny dick. Huzzah!" Lol... That and my voice. Drastic voice change will be interesting. I've always sounded this way. Pretty androgynous.
Quote from: Elwood on August 23, 2008, 10:26:55 PM
I already pass and I'm not on hormones.
How fast hormones get started is different for everyone. It depends mostly on the following factors:
1) Your genetics
2) Your age
3) Your dose
4) Any other conditions that may affect it
It usually doesn't take only a month to grow a beard and stuff. Just look at biomale teenagers. Most boys don't grow facial hair until they're in their 20's. It's the rare kid that will sprout a full face of hair at 16.
I have heard things tend to happen in this order:
Moods change
Metabolism/appetite changes
Voice cracks
Body hair
Body composition (muscle/fat distribution)
Voice deepens
Facial hair (a reasonable amount, anyway)
I did not mention to growth of the clitoris because no one has told me when that happens.
It's different for everyone. Some people get a mustache right away. Some people's voices drop really quickly. Some guys never get facial hair. Some guys experience an increase in their size of their hands and feet. Some guys even claim to get taller after they have started T.
Cool, that was helpful. The voice will be the best part for me, even better than facial hair, I think. ;D
Pretty cool that a lot of you are already passing. T's like the icing on the cake for you!
I'm actually very lucky, i'm pre-T and dont even have to try lol.
Though i get taken for alot younger which sucks.
Though i can live with it, i pass. So i'm happy.
I act, sound, look and even have mannerism that are, so i've been told very mannish and i've always had them 8)
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Yeah. I have certain subtle things that are more boyish. My walk is less swishy, my inflection isn't girly (though it isn't manly either), and I share a lot of mannerisms with my brother.
Still, I'm sure I won't pass until I'm on hormones.. like I said, they're SUBTLE things. You look great though, Marc. :)
I passed one hundred percent of the time after six weeks of hormones, voice and all.
I passed one hundred precent of the time shirtless in three months.
Didn't take long for me either. I was on a really small dose for three months, then it doubled to about a half of what I take now for three months. I started passing, although as a very young man or boy, during the second increase. I wasn't actually even ready for it, because I never did any RLE and hadn't started dressing male or binding or anything, just dressing androgynously and suddenly people were "sir" all over the place and I still had boobs sticking out. Was a bit awkward.
Dennis
https://www.msu.edu/~tunechri/Transition.html (https://www.msu.edu/~tunechri/Transition.html)
Here's the link I promised above. Please don't repost it anywhere without asking CJ.
Quote from: glendagladwitch on August 25, 2008, 12:05:44 PM
https://www.msu.edu/~tunechri/Transition.html (https://www.msu.edu/~tunechri/Transition.html)
Here's the link I promised above. Please don't repost it anywhere without asking CJ.
Great, thanks Glenda! That's fascinating, he changed so drastically over the course of a few years. He looks great.
Quote from: Dennis on August 24, 2008, 11:18:25 PM
and suddenly people were "sir" all over the place and I still had boobs sticking out. Was a bit awkward.
I imagine you started dressing male pretty quickly then. :D
My God that link gives me hope. That's AMAZING.
That's why I shake my head when you view your size as an obstacle. Sure, you'd rather be bigger. But it will not be an obstacle for passing.
I used to date a guy who was 5 foot nothing and 80 pounds wet. No one thought he was a girl, and I'm sure if someone ever called him a bitch he'd drive over their neck with his Harley. Transman? You bet! Emphasis on the MAN.
Well passing hasn't happened really yet. Though guess being asked if female or male is better maybe
we got another topic w/more answers https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,41161.msg267877.html#msg267877
Quote from: freespeechz on August 24, 2008, 01:29:13 AM
And growth of clit, I've heard from two sources that it starts growing almost immediately after starting HRT, but then again that's only two sources.
Make that THREE sources. :D
My first effects were enlarged clit and a mustache.
Quote from: Benjamin on August 26, 2008, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: freespeechz on August 24, 2008, 01:29:13 AM
And growth of clit, I've heard from two sources that it starts growing almost immediately after starting HRT, but then again that's only two sources.
Make that THREE sources. :D
My first effects were enlarged clit and a mustache.
four.
a guy can pass gas pretty quick
Quote from: Lisbeff's Elf on August 26, 2008, 03:45:51 PM
a guy can pass gas pretty quick
omg i know! my dad is like an effing gas station! he should charge by the gallon.
I'm another one of those pre-T guys, and I seem to be called sir all the time. I'm just one of those lucky ones I guess.
Quote from: Chet on August 26, 2008, 05:18:14 PM
omg i know! my dad is like an effing gas station! he should charge by the gallon.
ha ha love it! ;D
Quote from: Jay on August 28, 2008, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: Chet on August 26, 2008, 05:18:14 PM
omg i know! my dad is like an effing gas station! he should charge by the gallon.
ha ha love it! ;D
lol that reminds me of an incident that happened serveral years ago when we were on a plane. My mom was saying something about if the plane ran out of gas, they should get dad to refill it or something. Well dad remembered this in the plane washroom and ended up giggling and farting in there. Meanwhile there was quite a line up for the washroom. I pity the poor person who was next in line.
Quote from: Elwood on August 23, 2008, 10:26:55 PM
How fast hormones get started is different for everyone. It depends mostly on the following factors:
1) Your genetics
2) Your age
3) Your dose
4) Any other conditions that may affect it
I forgot to ask before: how exactly is age a factor? Do younger people get effects quicker, or is it the other way around?
Quote from: Lindsey on August 29, 2008, 10:52:00 PMQuote from: Elwood on August 23, 2008, 10:26:55 PMHow fast hormones get started is different for everyone. It depends mostly on the following factors:
1) Your genetics
2) Your age
3) Your dose
4) Any other conditions that may affect it
I forgot to ask before: how exactly is age a factor? Do younger people get effects quicker, or is it the other way around.
Young people's bodies seem to be more "flexible." This of course all depends on genetics. But I hear if you're younger it'll act more like a natural puberty than a delayed one. For instance, if my boobs will be Cs by the time I'm 25, starting T at 18 might prevent them from ever getting that big.
Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Lindsey on August 29, 2008, 10:52:00 PMQuote from: Elwood on August 23, 2008, 10:26:55 PMHow fast hormones get started is different for everyone. It depends mostly on the following factors:
1) Your genetics
2) Your age
3) Your dose
4) Any other conditions that may affect it
I forgot to ask before: how exactly is age a factor? Do younger people get effects quicker, or is it the other way around.
Young people's bodies seem to be more "flexible." This of course all depends on genetics. But I hear if you're younger it'll act more like a natural puberty than a delayed one. For instance, if my boobs will be Cs by the time I'm 25, starting T at 18 might prevent them from ever getting that big.
That is good to know, just another reason I want to start T while I'm still young. The main reason being so that I can enjoy manhood while I'm still young enough to really care. I just figure that if you are younger, you can have some kind of a youth being that sex you want to be.
Quote from: Adam on August 30, 2008, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Lindsey on August 29, 2008, 10:52:00 PMQuote from: Elwood on August 23, 2008, 10:26:55 PMHow fast hormones get started is different for everyone. It depends mostly on the following factors:
1) Your genetics
2) Your age
3) Your dose
4) Any other conditions that may affect it
I forgot to ask before: how exactly is age a factor? Do younger people get effects quicker, or is it the other way around.
Young people's bodies seem to be more "flexible." This of course all depends on genetics. But I hear if you're younger it'll act more like a natural puberty than a delayed one. For instance, if my boobs will be Cs by the time I'm 25, starting T at 18 might prevent them from ever getting that big.
That is good to know, just another reason I want to start T while I'm still young. The main reason being so that I can enjoy manhood while I'm still young enough to really care. I just figure that if you are younger, you can have some kind of a youth being that sex you want to be.
Don't let this discourage the older guys. I know a guy who transitioned at 40, and he passes 100%. When I met him, I was sure he was a guy. He said he was an FtM and my jaw dropped. I wanted to say, "Prove it," lol. But anyway, later he told me about some of the shortcomings. He can't grow a beard... not much, anyway. He's been on T for around 4 years...
I personally want to start T as soon as possible not for biological reasons... but I just want to start living.
Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 06:05:55 PM
He said he was an FtM and my jaw dropped. I wanted to say, "Prove it," lol. But anyway, later he told me about some of the shortcomings. He can't grow a beard... not much, anyway. He's been on T for around 4 years...
This gives me some hope, actually. I don't mind a bit of lip hair, but I would rather not have any other facial hair. If it comes in sparse and fine, so much the better.
Quote from: Arch on August 30, 2008, 06:14:33 PMQuote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 06:05:55 PMHe said he was an FtM and my jaw dropped. I wanted to say, "Prove it," lol. But anyway, later he told me about some of the shortcomings. He can't grow a beard... not much, anyway. He's been on T for around 4 years...
This gives me some hope, actually. I don't mind a bit of lip hair, but I would rather not have any other facial hair. If it comes in sparse and fine, so much the better.
Yeah. I am pretty sure transition will work out well for me. I'm not worried about the results at all. I'm just worried that for some reason they'll tell me, "You can't transition, little girl."
Genetics can effect beard growth. I know that so not sure about the T effects, but genetically Some Native American tribes are unable to grow facial hair, and are fairly hairless in some parts of body. Some Caucasians and mixed heritage people have spotty beard growth.
I'm hoping I don't have the spotty beard growth like my father, then again not sure if having a great great grandmother who was Chickasaw Indian on mom's side would effect anything lol *shrugs*
I am 1/16th Native American... it hasn't affected any of the men in my family, thank the Gods (Me and my Battlestar: Galactica quotes, lol).
I'm hoping I can get sideburns. That's all I want. Maybe I'll try a mustache or a soul patch. But that's it. I don't think I'll ever be a beard guy.
Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 07:28:13 PM\
I'm hoping I can get sideburns. That's all I want. Maybe I'll try a mustache or a soul patch. But that's it. I don't think I'll ever be a beard guy.
That's generally all I keep. Everything else itches the hell out of my neck/face/girlfriend. ;D
Quote from: Mister on August 30, 2008, 08:04:31 PMQuote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 07:28:13 PMI'm hoping I can get sideburns. That's all I want. Maybe I'll try a mustache or a soul patch. But that's it. I don't think I'll ever be a beard guy.
That's generally all I keep. Everything else itches the hell out of my neck/face/girlfriend. ;D
-sigh- I hope I can manage to grow them. My dad had them in the 70's, methinks.
Oooh, gosh! No Elwood, not those bush things.. they're short. As short as my fade. :D
Eh? Bush things? :icon_eek: I guess if you don't keep them neat they can look that way...
I mean, Johnny here's got the uh... mutton chops...
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But that's way too much for me. I want mine to be a little more... modest.
These boys got the right idea.
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Screenshots taken by yours truly. :P I'm movie obsessed.
Yuck
mine are more like... well...
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My Gods! You guys are so new wave! That's no fun. :eusa_doh:
Posted on: August 30, 2008, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Mister on August 30, 2008, 11:10:41 PMmine are more like... well...
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Quit showing off, now. You're making my stomach churn. :eusa_shhh: :icon_frown:
and to think I hate sideburns lol I always shave them off
That's not me. Mine are shorter in length (the individual hairs, not the sideburn length- mine are actually a bit longer) so that I can occasionally morph them into a chinstrap, until my girlfriend tugs on it constantly... then it gets shaved back off.
All I know is that they're freaking sexy and I really want them. They're the direct representation of a man's mojo.
my sideburns come to the middle of my ear CLEARLY before fading out. they rock. i have plenty of pre-T mojo to go around. 8)
I've always wanted a long mustache I can wax a la Dali.
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I too would like an evil-moustache (thats what I call the ones like Dali's) :) and wicked-as sideburns XD Like Jemaine from FoTC.
Forget a mustache, I rather grow a beard, but a mustache would be cool too. Hopefully my wait for T won't be too long once I start therapy...
LOL I'd probably go with a small goatee at the chin, and some point a small soul patch (most likely with horseshoe (http://www.ftmguide.org/facialhair.html#faq) style with it).
One thing you might find me with a Klingon goatee some point as well lol... if still able to go to cons.
Hey, I wonder if it would be possible to grow a goatee that would make me look like some sort of an evil villan. lol. I'd probably be choosen for random security checks whenever I flew.