Even though I have no access to T for quite a while, I like debating such things in my head. And thus the big T debate. Shaving sounds fun, a lower voice is very much wanted, body hair would be hot, fat redistribution a blessing, and then comes the oh-so-wonderful clit growing aka production of a mini-penis.
I find myself thinking that maybe I'd prefer just to keep down there as is. As it is, I don't particularly like how penises look anyways, but they would be better than a vagina. But as a real penis is not an option, I find myself seriously thinking of not taking T, simply to avoid clitoral growth. Mostly because I would still like to get laid and a huge clit/mini penis seems like it would be a huge turnoff. And having parts that are "in-between" doesn't really appeal either. But I really want the rest of T's effects. :( I wish there was a checklist option, just check off what you want and leave the rest alone.
Any thoughts?
I wouldn't mind a bigger clit but sometimes I wonder about the aesthetics of it.
I personally want T because it will make my body feel the way I feel it's supposed to. I don't really feel like trying to be "hot" or which way will make me more desirable. I just want to be the person I feel like I should have been born as...
I want clitoral growth. Sometimes I worry it won't be any larger than my pinky; then it would be too small to do anything with but big enough to get in the way of things. In that case I would be pretty devastated, so I just hope it gets big enough to at least be useful for masturbation. I crave that sexual relief so much it's not even funny.
I personally do not want to "get laid" like a woman. In my vagina. That never is something I will enjoy. If it is something you enjoy, however, maybe you will want to think about how you handle your genitals. But if a person respects your gender identity as a man, they may very well be quite excited to see your enlarged clitoris. I don't think it would be a turn off for me, and I'm pretty picky.
To avoid having parts that are in between, I'm going to see how testicles on a man with a micropenis looks like. Heck, that wasn't hard, wikipedia has an article. So apparently the testicles are still a pretty normal size... maybe a bit smaller (it really varies on every person). I was thinking it would be nice to have implants of those... though with a bit clit it might just look strange. I keep considering having medioplasty but I'm really unsure... Wow, seeing those pictures makes me feel a little better. My dick will be longer than that, but probably have less girth...
My downstairs project is confusing. I'll probably talk about this in great length with my therapist. You should do the same. Express your concerns to them. They may have solutions that we don't know about.
Hah I would definitely want the checklist. But at this point in my transition I can't even make up my mind 100% about T yet altogether. I'd love the voice change, I'd love the beard, but I'd only want the hair if it came out the way I wanted it on my legs and chest and I know I can't really control that. I don't want the enlarged clit either since I'm keeping down there the way it is, I feel the same about penises.
But there are times where I like the way I look and wonder if I really want all that added hair so I'm not even sure how much I want T.
All I know is that the fat redistribution and muscle mass, makes me want T 100%!!!!
Quote from: Nero on August 31, 2008, 10:52:15 PMI wouldn't mind a bigger clit but sometimes I wonder about the aesthetics of it.
I've seen pictures of them. They look alright. Not like normal penises, though. They don't have the head. I guess that's because they can't be circumcised. I don't know. My concern is that they have a really small girth. They might be useless for penetration. Some girls like them though, if they prefer external stimulation.
Posted on: August 31, 2008, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: trapthavok on August 31, 2008, 10:58:20 PMHah I would definitely want the checklist. But at this point in my transition I can't even make up my mind 100% about T yet altogether. I'd love the voice change, I'd love the beard, but I'd only want the hair if it came out the way I wanted it on my legs and chest and I know I can't really control that. I don't want the enlarged clit either since I'm keeping down there the way it is, I feel the same about penises.
But there are times where I like the way I look and wonder if I really want all that added hair so I'm not even sure how much I want T.
All I know is that the fat redistribution and muscle mass, makes me want T 100%!!!!
If the checklist had "normal male genitalia" it would make my day.
Wow. Maybe you guys don't like pee-pees because you're straight. But if you had one, I think you'd love your own. :P All I know is that I really feel like I should have one... and if I had a normal male body, I'd for sure pursue men. For now, I stay out of it. I look too much like a child to try dating. They won't hit on me because they don't want to end up in jail.
Quote from: Elwood on August 31, 2008, 11:01:05 PM
Wow. Maybe you guys don't like pee-pees because you're straight. But if you had one, I think you'd love your own. :P
I don't honestly know what it is lol. My sister's a straight female (I think I've said this somewhere before) and she thinks vaginas are just plain disgusting. I don't know how she feels about her own but that's how I feel about penises. They're gross. But if I could have a real one for sex I'd definitely take it.
Bad example maybe but I was watching Borat a while ago and the scene where he was showing pictures of his son holding him, and his son's penis was exposed I...couldn't look at the TV. Then that whole scene where they were naked and had their balls in each others faces made me cringe.
Quote from: Nero on August 31, 2008, 10:52:15 PMI wouldn't mind a bigger clit but sometimes I wonder about the aesthetics of it.
I've seen pictures of them. They look alright. Not like normal penises, though. They don't have the head. I guess that's because they can't be circumcised. I don't know. My concern is that they have a really small girth. They might be useless for penetration. Some girls like them though, if they prefer external stimulation.
Posted on: August 31, 2008, 08:59:24 PMI've seen pictures too. One picture really turned me on for some reason. But I wasn't so sure if I'd actually want one of those on myself.
Quote from: trapthavok on August 31, 2008, 11:08:46 PMQuote from: Elwood on August 31, 2008, 11:01:05 PMWow. Maybe you guys don't like pee-pees because you're straight. But if you had one, I think you'd love your own. :P
I don't honestly know what it is lol. My sister's a straight female (I think I've said this somewhere before) and she thinks vaginas are just plain disgusting. I don't know how she feels about her own but that's how I feel about penises. They're gross. But if I could have a real one for sex I'd definitely take it.
Bad example maybe but I was watching Borat a while ago and the scene where he was showing pictures of his son holding him, and his son's penis was exposed I...couldn't look at the TV. Then that whole scene where they were naked and had their balls in each others faces made me cringe.
Weird. I find penises pretty amazing. Not just that, but obviously very exciting. Wish I had my own... I guess that's why I'm queer. Although, I find it hard to be able to have sex with a guy because I'd envy his equipment so much that it would probably make me dysphoric... It's such a mixed feeling. I want to be exposed to a penis but it would cause me pain for him to have one and not me.
LOL. I CRACKED UP WHEN THEY DID THAT. I thought that was hilarious. And I LOVED that scene where Borat and that other guy were chasing each other naked. That was freaking hilarious, lol... Sacha Baron Cohen is my freaking hero.
Posted on: August 31, 2008, 09:25:30 PM
Quote from: freespeechz on August 31, 2008, 11:09:26 PMI've seen pictures too. One picture really turned me on for some reason. But I wasn't so sure if I'd actually want one of those on myself.
Really? I want to see a hot pic. All the pics I saw were fat ugly guys who were super hairy. Lol. I didn't see anyone that was hot. But hey, even though those guys were fat and smelly, they passed really well. ;D
Well it wasn't of a transguy, which is probably why. It was of a cisgirl who tried to be a body builder, and so got lots of T, and then decided she wanted to be a pornstar, so girl body, huge clit.
For me there was no debate, not once I truly realized I was trans and that transition was possible. I met a guy who transitioned nearly 10 years ago, and he is so male, 100% guy. That is what I want. If I'm overly hairy, cool! If I go bald, well, I'm a guy. It happens. Clit growth? Well, it's not a penis but will have to do. Looking at fully transitioned guys clinched it for me.
Before I knew/admitted I was trans, I'd find pics of guy's anatomy and think, if that's all I get, why bother? I'd also see their hairy legs and bellys and think EEWWW! But then, I couldn't see the rest of their pics to see that they looked MALE. I was imagining I'd look like a hairy woman, and that was NOT appealing.
Truly I had no idea that transitioning and passing 100% as male was even possible, but when I realized the results with T were fantastic, I knew I was going to take it.
Now that my estrogen-producing parts are gone, I hope I'll start to see more of T's effects. The main effect I've had so far is like a total calming zen has come over me. I'm pretty laid back in general, but can be intense at times. T really has helped in that regard. Possibly it's just that I'm so comfortable in my own skin, and I'm becoming myself for the first time. Don't really know, don't really care. All I know is that I LOVE T!!
Jay
Quote from: freespeechz on September 01, 2008, 12:27:31 AMWell it wasn't of a transguy, which is probably why. It was of a cisgirl who tried to be a body builder, and so got lots of T, and then decided she wanted to be a pornstar, so girl body, huge clit.
Ew. I don't like the "chicks with dicks" thing. Not really appealing. Transgirls are the one exception but I'd prefer they keep their peckers concealed. And fortunately a lot of transgirls don't want their genitals to be part of the picture.
Posted on: September 01, 2008, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: sneakersjay on September 01, 2008, 07:28:36 AMFor me there was no debate, not once I truly realized I was trans and that transition was possible. I met a guy who transitioned nearly 10 years ago, and he is so male, 100% guy. That is what I want. If I'm overly hairy, cool! If I go bald, well, I'm a guy. It happens. Clit growth? Well, it's not a penis but will have to do. Looking at fully transitioned guys clinched it for me.
Before I knew/admitted I was trans, I'd find pics of guy's anatomy and think, if that's all I get, why bother? I'd also see their hairy legs and bellys and think EEWWW! But then, I couldn't see the rest of their pics to see that they looked MALE. I was imagining I'd look like a hairy woman, and that was NOT appealing.
Truly I had no idea that transitioning and passing 100% as male was even possible, but when I realized the results with T were fantastic, I knew I was going to take it.
Now that my estrogen-producing parts are gone, I hope I'll start to see more of T's effects. The main effect I've had so far is like a total calming zen has come over me. I'm pretty laid back in general, but can be intense at times. T really has helped in that regard. Possibly it's just that I'm so comfortable in my own skin, and I'm becoming myself for the first time. Don't really know, don't really care. All I know is that I LOVE T!!
Jay
I feel the same way.
When I see both bioguys and their anatomy my insides melt with grief. I keep thinking, "That will never be me." Especially since they're almost always 5 inches taller than me or more. I know; there is such a thing as being too tall...
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But seriously. I just wish I could fix that. Fortunately for me, I think I am having my last or one of my last growth spurts. My knees are pink and my limbs ache. What makes things hard for me is that I want a body that's something like Tom Hanks (before he got a little fatter for Charlie Wilson's War). An average guy, around 6 foot, not fat, not skinny, not buff, not scrawny... I want to blend into the crowd as an average man... so average that if a man or woman loves me they love me for my heart, not for my strange body.
Right now my body proportions are very much like Nichole Richie's, except I am an inch or two taller.
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It doesn't feel good to look like an anorexic whatever-her-profession-is. Fortunately, I think my legs are bigger and obviously I'm hairier, but also more pale in skin tone.
Post transition I can hope to pass off as a short homo, sort of like Chris Crocker. Hopefully I'll be hairier than him, though, and you wouldn't catch me dead in aquamarine eye liner.
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It just bugs me. I want my body to have that wide stance. This picture shows off a physique I wouldn't mind having. :P
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Heheh. Love the bunny ears, Steve.
As soon as I saw guys on T, I was amazed. "That can happen for me," I said. But then I realized that most of those guys were tall BEFORE T, looked like guys BEFORE T, had big proportions BEFORE T... I am the only transguy I've ever known who's bones show right through the skin.
After 6 months on T I've had quite a big of growth down there, and let me tell you, sex has never been better. Not only with prosthetic, but masturbation as well. It's hard to explain how it feels when you're aroused, but it's not the same as before T.
I wouldn't worry too much about what your partner is going to think. Afterall they're already accepting being with a transguy, I don't think an enlarged clit is going to phase them much.
Quote from: GQjoey on September 01, 2008, 12:56:19 PMAfter 6 months on T I've had quite a big of growth down there, and let me tell you, sex has never been better. Not only with prosthetic, but masturbation as well. It's hard to explain how it feels when you're aroused, but it's not the same as before T.
I wouldn't worry too much about what your partner is going to think. Afterall they're already accepting being with a transguy, I don't think an enlarged clit is going to phase them much.
Question: how do you get an erect clit not to get crushed in a prosthetic? Prosthetics usually have these little ball things that are supposed to rub on the clit but... I'd imagine if it was erect that could be a tad uncomfortable.
The prosthetic I have doesn't have a "ball thing" to rub it. Still does the job tho! Not uncomfortable at all.
Quote from: GQjoey on September 01, 2008, 01:33:02 PMThe prosthetic I have doesn't have a "ball thing" to rub it. Still does the job tho! Not uncomfortable at all.
Hmm. Good. I'm glad that there's a way to make things work out.
The prosthetics with the little ball are marketed more for cisgirls without an enlarged clit. And if you had a huge amount of growth, you could always try using the prosthetics marketed for post-medio guys.
Eh, I'm guessing in the end it won't really matter since it's one con versus like ten pros.
So they DO have stuff for post-medio. That's what I was thinking about. Because I'm strongly considering medioplasty.
"Eh, I'm guessing in the end it won't really matter since it's one con versus like ten pros."
exactly!
Yeah, on Mango, next to all their Cybercock prosthetics, they have one or two models for post-medio guys.
Excellent. Thanks for telling me about this.
Quote from: Elwood on August 31, 2008, 11:25:42 PM
LOL. I CRACKED UP WHEN THEY DID THAT. I thought that was hilarious. And I LOVED that scene where Borat and that other guy were chasing each other naked. That was freaking hilarious, lol... Sacha Baron Cohen is my freaking hero.
Don't get me wrong, the scene where they ran through the hotel naked was HILARIOUS. It was just the whole "balls in face" part in the hotel room that was disgusting. Plus the fat guy kept flashing the audience with his balls :-X
Quote from: Elwood on September 01, 2008, 12:51:50 PM
When I see both bioguys and their anatomy my insides melt with grief. I keep thinking, "That will never be me." Especially since they're almost always 5 inches taller than me or more. I know; there is such a thing as being too tall...
I feel that way too. I'm really jealous most especially of one cousin I'm really close to, it's almost like he has the perfect male body and I will never be him. It's not just the height I notice, it's the broad shoulders, the extremely flat chest....The way men's clothes don't seem to make them look extremely short and small and dyke-ish like it does for me...
Quote from: Elwood on September 01, 2008, 12:51:50 PM
I am the only transguy I've ever known who's bones show right through the skin.
If it makes you feel better Elwood, I'm one of those trans guys. You can see my wrist bones plain as day and before boobs, you used to be able to see my ribs really easy. My arms are ten times thinner than a normal person's arms should be, so I'm hoping that by building muscle I can get the up to normal size at least.
Quote from: freespeechz on September 01, 2008, 02:16:08 PM
Yeah, on Mango, next to all their Cybercock prosthetics, they have one or two models for post-medio guys.
Lol I was wondering what that was. I really don't want the enlarged clit but if it makes sex better like Joey said then hell, bring on the T :) I'm still trying to figure out how that works with the enlarged clit and all but...
Quote from: trapthavok on September 01, 2008, 04:08:25 PMQuote from: Elwood on September 01, 2008, 12:51:50 PMWhen I see both bioguys and their anatomy my insides melt with grief. I keep thinking, "That will never be me." Especially since they're almost always 5 inches taller than me or more. I know; there is such a thing as being too tall...
I feel that way too. I'm really jealous most especially of one cousin I'm really close to, it's almost like he has the perfect male body and I will never be him. It's not just the height I notice, it's the broad shoulders, the extremely flat chest....The way men's clothes don't seem to make them look extremely short and small and dyke-ish like it does for me...
I like my structure. I am small, but my proportions are good. I just don't like being so short. I wouldn't ask for bigger shoulders or a bigger body. Just taller... And I guess my body a little bigger to go with that but you know what I mean.
As for the flat chest, I know my top surgery will come eventually, so I'm not too worried about that. I'm mostly worried about the things I feel like I cannot change. My height and my lack of penis.
Quote from: trapthavok on September 01, 2008, 04:08:25 PMQuote from: Elwood on September 01, 2008, 12:51:50 PMI am the only transguy I've ever known who's bones show right through the skin.
If it makes you feel better Elwood, I'm one of those trans guys. You can see my wrist bones plain as day and before boobs, you used to be able to see my ribs really easy. My arms are ten times thinner than a normal person's arms should be, so I'm hoping that by building muscle I can get the up to normal size at least.
Hmm. So we maybe are somewhat similar.
My dad is a small in men's clothing, though he has long legs so it's hard to get him pants. His bones aren't a great deal larger than mine; he's just got man meat on top of it. He's still 5'11", though. I'm pretty jealous of that. But his arms are really not a great deal thicker than mine when it comes to bone structure... that helped me feel better. His ribcage, however, is obviously bigger.
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(And that's his new shoulder, lol)
I spend two days away from the internet and look what happens? A thread with four hundred things to respond to!
I think many people first think they do not want testosterone. Many of those folks change their minds and end up on T. I'm 5'10 with a naturally broad build and didn't need it to pass. I eventually decided to start to stop my periods and haven't looked back since.
The head of your clit looks very similar to the head of a penis. When you're erect, it becomes much more apparent. You may have to pull the skin back a bit to see it, especially at first, but it's absolutely there. And it's insanely sensitive.
Most dildos do not have a 'ball thing' on the back. I've seen them on some Mango products and the Tyron2. Since I do not and have not used either, I have no experience with them. The brand I use as a flat back- which is significantly more common- and rubs me the right way. Not painful at all and actually a nice sensation.
Quote from: freespeechz on August 31, 2008, 10:00:46 PM
I wish there was a checklist option, just check off what you want and leave the rest alone.
Any thoughts?
theres a list. ur list. u do what u want 2 do & dont worry 'bout what other ppl r doin. I'm kinda like u. I dont want bottom surgery I'm on T. had top surgery last yr & plan 2 have a hysto but thats it.
Quote from: sneakersjay on September 01, 2008, 07:28:36 AM
For me there was no debate, not once I truly realized I was trans and that transition was possible. I met a guy who transitioned nearly 10 years ago, and he is so male, 100% guy. That is what I want. If I'm overly hairy, cool! If I go bald, well, I'm a guy. It happens. Clit growth? Well, it's not a penis but will have to do. Looking at fully transitioned guys clinched it for me.
Before I knew/admitted I was trans, I'd find pics of guy's anatomy and think, if that's all I get, why bother? I'd also see their hairy legs and bellys and think EEWWW! But then, I couldn't see the rest of their pics to see that they looked MALE. I was imagining I'd look like a hairy woman, and that was NOT appealing.
Truly I had no idea that transitioning and passing 100% as male was even possible, but when I realized the results with T were fantastic, I knew I was going to take it.
Jay
I am with you here Jay. I am on T because I want the physical affects I want the facial hair (fingers crossed) the weight distribution and the voice drop. My clit has grown bigger but nothing out of the massive or weird its not that big.. But still I have noticed it.. Don't know if sex is any better or not! As haven't had any for a long time and I don't particularly want to have it again with someone as I have built up a wall. I'm to insecure. :'(
Quote from: Chris on September 02, 2008, 02:01:08 AM
Quote from: freespeechz on August 31, 2008, 10:00:46 PM
I wish there was a checklist option, just check off what you want and leave the rest alone.
Any thoughts?
\ stuff down there grows but not to much. u still gotta pack so I dunno bout other dudes that say they r long & can penetrate b4 bottom surgery ???. that aint possible if you havent got a meta or phallo. Yep u can do it w/a cyberskin dick & stuff but not w/ur own. ;)
Yes it is. I did it two hours ago.
May I share a few thoughts with you?
I am M to F and I am pre-op. I am blesseed with being two-spirited, living two lives, one in each gender, in the same body. Not everyone has that gift. Maybe I am out-of-touch with reality but here goes...
I was born with an undersized penis, one testicle not well-formed, and no motile sperm. I had hair all over me (including on my face), upper body muscles and male geometry, and a T level of over 600 (I recall 720 but I may err). I did not know about my genitals and sperm until I was married for five years and my ex wanted a baby so I was blissfully ignorant until then. Had I let that bother me I would have been totally destroyed as a male and unable to function sexually.
When I was a teenager I knew that I loved and worshipped girls and that I wanted to be the best guy in the world for the one who would call me "hers." Yes, I had a need to belong to a girl, and I learned a lot about how to be the best me that I could. I was not a huge guy, just 5 ft., 9.5 inches tall, 137 pounds, but I was determined to be a good catch.
To be the best me that I could in order to find a girl who would be mine and make me hers, I learned about manners, dating etiquette, the fine art of conversation, how to read and understand someone else's feelings, to cheer them up when blue, to hear them when they talked, and to listen sincerely.
Concerning sex, I read about the female response and took some cues from many sources. It was 1970 and info about sex was everywhere, so I read "The Sensuous Woman" by J; "The Sensuous Male" by M.;the Kama Sutra, and I assure you that I looked at the "Playboy Advisor" and other popular sources to learn how to please and in that way to be pleased myself.
My belief is that the largest, most important sexual organ for both genders is the brain, and that the genitals and other erogenous zones are merely ways of activating the brain. One need not have a penis to do that, I assure you, because the last thing I wanted to do was to penetrate my partner. I could have lived quite well without it and I didn't do it until she was about begging to feel penetration. I love foreplay and I have done it with my fingers, hands, tongue, breath, and nose, and I rarely failed to please.
Your partner is your business but if you decide to keep your female genitals and do T, and you have an enlarged clit, like maybe 1 to 2 inches of clit, guys and savvy women will beat a path to your door. Why? It is soooooo hot! If I had the opportunity to provide stimulation to the lucky transwoman who had one, I would get lost to the world in doing so.
Aesthetically an enlarged clit seems OK to me. Some cisgendered women have large ones and their photos are so femme.
I hope that this helps. In the event that it doesn't, and I get chucked-out of here for sharing what I have, I wish all of you gutsy guys all the best!
Wing Walker
Libra
Quote from: freespeechz on August 31, 2008, 10:00:46 PM
Even though I have no access to T for quite a while, I like debating such things in my head. And thus the big T debate. Shaving sounds fun, a lower voice is very much wanted, body hair would be hot, fat redistribution a blessing, and then comes the oh-so-wonderful clit growing aka production of a mini-penis.
I find myself thinking that maybe I'd prefer just to keep down there as is. As it is, I don't particularly like how penises look anyways, but they would be better than a vagina. But as a real penis is not an option, I find myself seriously thinking of not taking T, simply to avoid clitoral growth. Mostly because I would still like to get laid and a huge clit/mini penis seems like it would be a huge turnoff. And having parts that are "in-between" doesn't really appeal either. But I really want the rest of T's effects. :( I wish there was a checklist option, just check off what you want and leave the rest alone.
Any thoughts?