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Think McCain finally needs a new running mate? :D Palin's got quite a few skeletons in her closet.
He'll ask her to resign.
She'll say with her down-syndrome son and her daughter's pregnancy that family is more important.
Palin will step down so that McCain won't have to.
He made a very poor choice choosing her as his running mate, not that it matters (he was never getting my vote anyway). I just saw her in an interview on CNN, she was talking about the need to drill in Alaska while "preserving" the environment. That's a load of crap, she doesn't want to "preserve" anything except her right-wing, evangelical beliefs.
I'll bet anything she told her daughter that she's having this baby, that she doesn't get to choose, even though it's her body. ::)
Jenn
I am shaking with joy over this. I want him to loose so badly. He's a war monger and a senile old man. He's got a very interesting and disturbing psychiatric record. He's in no condition to be one of the most powerful men in the world. I trust Obama with making those decisions. He's at the age where that head on his shoulders is going to work the best.
And you're right about the baby. Here's a quite I found:
"We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents," Sarah Palin and her husband Todd said in a joint statement, confirming news reports of Bristol's pregnancy.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," the statement said, pleading for media privacy.
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i was about to delete your thread! thought you hadn't given us a link! ;)
Whoopsy. I'll move it to the first post, too.
Quote from: Elwood on September 01, 2008, 01:29:27 PM
"We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents," Sarah Palin and her husband Todd said in a joint statement, confirming news reports of Bristol's pregnancy.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," the statement said, pleading for media privacy.
:laugh: :laugh:
And I'll bet that her parents are forcing her to marry the guy. Poor girl...
Jenn
Now taking bets on if she breaks Thomas F. Eagleton's 18 days.
making kids get married isn't the best solution. It could work out, but it could also become very abusive and filled with resentment.
It's different if the kids want to marry, but the quote doesn't specify.
The reason she got pregnant is because she's a right winger and
they don't want children to get sex ed... The result, tons of
teen pregnancies...
so, right wingers don't know that sex gets them pregnant, eh? Obviously, I spent too much time trying to pick up the wrong type of women. Shucks. ::)
Posted on: September 01, 2008, 07:40:47 PM
I just saw this at huffpo -
Quote'Fringe' Alaskan Secessionist Party: Palin Was A Member... Almost Recalled As Mayor... Directed Fundraising For Indicted Senator's 527... Troopergate Scandal... Calls Iraq A War For Oil... Admits She Hasn't 'Really Focused On Iraq'... Alaska National Guard General: Palin Plays No Role In National Defense... 17 Year-Old Daughter Pregnant...
READ MORE AT HUFFPOST'S SARAH PALIN BIG NEWS PAGE
Looks like mccain is in for a long bumpy ride. check out the one I bolditized. They chased Aaron Burr off the continent for less.
Can someone explain what the fuss is all about to a non-american?
Quote from: Nicky on September 01, 2008, 07:58:44 PM
Can someone explain what the fuss is all about to a non-american?
No, sorry. Not even Americans can explain it. IMHO, this is another attempt to get the campaign away from the real issues the country and the world must face. I, for one, do not care about her daughter. After all, at least she is consistent in this area. However, I do care about her stances on other issues, and I find them to be much more important to focus on.
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Well, these are the people who champion 'family values' and work to keep sex ed and birth control information out of the schools, just for a start.
Meh. It's not a big deal to me. I just like talkin' crap. ;D
Like most of her ilk, she does not walk the walk to match her talk. She is a fraud.
I hope the media and others don't jump on this girl. She got pregnant, so what. A lot of girls get pregnant. It is her mother that is running and not her family. Let's look at the issues that are coming up and with us at this point.
Right. That's so Republican. Our family problems are 'off limits' but we can use them against the Dems. Can you imagine what would have happened had Chelsey got preggers when she was 17? Or if Obama had a 17 year old preggers daughter? Yeah.
Quote from: tekla on September 01, 2008, 09:19:06 PMRight. That's so Republican. Our family problems are 'off limits' but we can use them against the Dems. Can you imagine what would have happened had Chelsey got preggers when she was 17? Or if Obama had a 17 year old preggers daughter? Yeah.
I'd laugh. And say it's mine. >:]
The problem here with the "personal" angle is that someone who profess abstinence as
as a sex ed solution will either have to either admit it doesn't work because teens will be teens
and this ->-bleeped-<- happens, or admit to being personally responsible for not controlling in her teenage daughter
(then why think you can do anything for the US...).
The first option (teens will have sex and they need protection) is obviously the answer, but
I'm betting she'll say her daughter was a "special" case and god told her to have sex... ;)
Quote from: Keira on September 02, 2008, 12:35:36 AM
The problem here with the "personal" angle is that someone who profess abstinence as
as a sex ed solution will either have to either admit it doesn't work because teens will be teens
and this ->-bleeped-<- happens, or admit to being personally responsible for not controlling in her teenage daughter
(then why think you can do anything for the US...).
This is indeed the dilemma they face.
Quote from: Keira on September 02, 2008, 12:35:36 AM
I'm betting she'll say her daughter was a "special" case and god told her to have sex... ;)
To be fair, I have yet to see anything remotely resembling such a statement. What I expect, and hope for, is that they will admit failure of some kind, then move on to do the responsible thing of loving and raising the child. I do applaud Obama for taking the high road in this, reminding the public that he was born to just this kind of situation, and asking people to just focus on the issues and leave children out of this. Of course, he is in the enviable position of saying this, knowing that the press is never going to leave this alone.
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I really pity the daughter in all this.
Regardless of the Palin family stance, the daughter did not ask, nor did she expect to be put under the blinding light of worldwide scrutiny.
I can imagine all the back room discussions going on between the campaign organizers and the Palin family. It really isn't fair.
We should leave her alone.
However, the political issued raised by this, abstinence only vs education and condoms, will become magnified in the public consciousness. And in many ways may push the republicans off message. Causing them to talk about that when they may want to focus on more global issues.
I've thought about whether or not Palin would resign her candidacy, ala Eagleton, but in that case, the vetting process consisted of him being asked whether or not he had anything that he was ashamed of. And he was not ashamed of having had shock therapy to cure depression. Here, Palin was vetted more extensively, but I would have thought that the vetting would have also come up with the possible responses to any negative issues. I'd wager that she will not be asked to resign, nor will she offer her resignation.
-Sandy (political analyst hat on)
I for the life of me can't see how she could raise a kid with down's syndrome and be VP, but of course, 'Pubs don't raise the kids, nannies do.
And if she didn't want the kid in the spotlight, she should have turned down the nomination. Sorry, if you run on family values, your family is open season.
Its true, if you have a pregnant 17 year old and run on family values and abstinence, and
accept the VP nomination, you cannot expect that this will not come up. She's the one
who put her daughter in the media; its not the fault of the "big bad media" tm .
I'm tired of people in the public eye making their living out of trying to feed the
media fabricated pablum and then being all surprised when they want to eat
pizza instead.
If she wasn't such a right winger coming from the most right wing state, I doubt
it would be mentioned.
Also, if you think that if Chelsea had a pregnancy and it wouldn't have been mentioned
by the republicans, well I've got a bridge to sell you...
Teen sex happens. Pregnancy happens. Put two and two together, and.. well, ->-bleeped-<- happens.
My main beef with McCain and Palin is that he scrutinizes Obama so often for his inexperience, and then he turns around and chooses a running mate even more inexperienced than the man he's picking on.
I hope Palin's daughter doesn't catch too much crap, considering her mom's views and the media who probably are loving every minute of this.
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What pisses my off more than all the teen prego blah is that the sperm donor father of the child (Levi Johnston) probably won't get as much as a slap on the wrist for the results of his irresponsible behaviour.
WTF?
</rant>
He is going to be punished in the worst way, at 18 made to marry a 17 year old. Abandon all hope ye who enter here.
Quote from: Lindsey on September 03, 2008, 12:48:05 AM
Teen sex happens. Pregnancy happens. Put two and two together, and.. well, ->-bleeped-<- happens.
I agree, except that this is a baby not ->-bleeped-<-. I pity the child a few months from now, being born into a world where the media circus will surround her, win lose or draw.
Quote from: Lindsey on September 03, 2008, 12:48:05 AM
My main beef with McCain and Palin is that he scrutinizes Obama so often for his inexperience, and then he turns around and chooses a running mate even more inexperienced than the man he's picking on.
Yes. I think that is the issue all of this should be focusing on.
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I honestly believe we need an inexperienced person in office. I'm not kidding. I have no respect for most of the experienced people.
for some reason, the old 'experienced' people govern with cowardice.
QuoteI honestly believe we need an inexperienced person in office
Mistakes in learning can be costly. We want someone that knows how to win the game but is void of the old connections.
Look at the Gore kids. His wife pushed family values and see what she produced. Being naive is not going to solve things the way knowledge can.
Quote from: Sheila on September 01, 2008, 09:16:06 PM
I hope the media and others don't jump on this girl. She got pregnant, so what. A lot of girls get pregnant. It is her mother that is running and not her family. Let's look at the issues that are coming up and with us at this point.
I have to agree. I fail to grasp the importance of the lives of the candidate's children. They aren't the public figures running for office. I wish the media would leave the poor girl alone.
My girlfriend was 17 (almost 18) when we got pregnant. It was OUR decision to marry. Our son is 19.5 and our daughter will be 17 in December. Our 20th anniversary is later this month. For us, it worked out. But no one forced us to marry. I sincerely hope that Gov. Palin isn't forcing her daughter to have the child and get married, but I would not be surprised if that was the case.
If it is the case, I hope everything works out the best for the girl and her child. And one key step for that would be for the media to BTFU out of her life.
There, I've cleared my colon and now I feel better.
Posted on: September 03, 2008, 09:38:51 AM
Quote from: tekla on September 02, 2008, 10:45:31 PM
Sorry, if you run on family values, your family is open season.
True, that's the way it works. But common decency demands otherwise.
Quote from: Keira on September 02, 2008, 11:59:50 PM
Also, if you think that if Chelsea had a pregnancy and it wouldn't have been mentioned
by the republicans, well I've got a bridge to sell you...
If that bridge is in Chappaquiddick I'll buy it.
Beverly
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on September 03, 2008, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Keira on September 02, 2008, 11:59:50 PM
Also, if you think that if Chelsea had a pregnancy and it wouldn't have been mentioned
by the republicans, well I've got a bridge to sell you...
If that bridge is in Chappaquiddick I'll buy it.
Beverly
Oh tsk, tsk, tsk! Chappaquiddick will not be an issue!
wouldn't this headline be more meaningful if it were
QuotePalin's 5 Month Old Daughter 17 Years Pregnant
?
Quote from: Kristi on September 03, 2008, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on September 03, 2008, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Keira on September 02, 2008, 11:59:50 PM
Also, if you think that if Chelsea had a pregnancy and it wouldn't have been mentioned
by the republicans, well I've got a bridge to sell you...
If that bridge is in Chappaquiddick I'll buy it.
Beverly
Oh tsk, tsk, tsk! Chappaquiddick will not be an issue!
LOL Kristi, my joke was an attempt to inject a little balance in the discussion by pointing out that the people on either side of the aisle are human and make mistakes. Whether their name is Palin, Kennedy or Bill (I did not have sex with that woman) Clinton.
Beverly
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on September 03, 2008, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: Kristi on September 03, 2008, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on September 03, 2008, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Keira on September 02, 2008, 11:59:50 PM
Also, if you think that if Chelsea had a pregnancy and it wouldn't have been mentioned
by the republicans, well I've got a bridge to sell you...
If that bridge is in Chappaquiddick I'll buy it.
Beverly
Oh tsk, tsk, tsk! Chappaquiddick will not be an issue!
LOL Kristi, my joke was an attempt to inject a little balance in the discussion by pointing out that the people on either side of the aisle are human and make mistakes. Whether their name is Palin, Kennedy or Bill (I did not have sex with that woman) Clinton.
Beverly
Then :Newt Gangridge cheated on his first wife while she was sick with cancer. The republicans have no end of cheating husbands including the Senator who was .... All this while they were impeaching Clinton.
Quote from: lisagurl on September 04, 2008, 10:10:08 AM
Then :Newt Gangridge cheated on his first wife while she was sick with cancer. The republicans have no end of cheating husbands including the Senator who was .... All this while they were impeaching Clinton.
Lisa, that's my point. Neither the Democrats or the Republicans should really be trying to take the high ground on moral issues. They aren't perfect and none of them, Obama included, walk on water. These people are in a position of power and some people, men and women, find that attractive or useful. So there is constant temptation thrown at them (sex, money, etc.) and many will eventually succumb to that temptation. The House, Senate and White House are and always have been a (excuse the expression) hotbed of sex and scandal.
I guess I just don't understand this McCain has horns and a pitchfork while Obama has wings and a halo attitude that people seem to have. Guys and gals, you don't get to the United States Senate without stepping on a few toes and having a couple of skeletons hidden. Didn't Obama have to distance himself from someone in regard to his home financing? Look at it this way. Even disregarding transgender issues, how many of us could stand up to the scrutiny that all of these people go through daily. I'll be the first one to say, not me.
So concentrate on the issues. Environment, economy, security, foreign relations, etc and who can do the best job overall. Not on Sarah Palin's daughter.
By the way Lisa, Clinton broke the law and Newt Gingrich is just a jerk start to finish.
Beverly
QuoteSo concentrate on the issues.
The scary part is the Republicans make decisions by what God tells them, but the Democrats are secular and use rational thought.
It doesn't matter any more.
Quote from: lisagurl on September 04, 2008, 11:59:19 AM
QuoteSo concentrate on the issues.
The scary part is the Republicans make decisions by what God tells them, but the Democrats are secular and use rational thought.
Then if you believe that, vote Democratic. All I'm saying is have a reason for voting the way you do other than ABC, Fox, CNN or the New York Times tells you that's the way you should vote. Don't rely on the garbage disposal that is the modern media to make your decisions for you.
Rebis, I halfway agree with you.
Beverly
Quote from: lisagurl on September 04, 2008, 11:59:19 AM
QuoteSo concentrate on the issues.
The scary part is the Republicans make decisions by what God tells them, but the Democrats are secular and use rational thought.
This is incorrect. Republicans make decisions by what they want God to tell them. The teachings and commands of Christ are usually at odds with what the GOP condemns or condones. Warfare and execution are expressly forbidden by Jesus' words as recorded in the Gospels. Republicans will invariably dance around this fact.
QuoteRepublicans make decisions by what they want God to tell them.
But when God speaks to you how do you know the difference.
QuoteJesus' words as recorded in the Gospels
As God told the authors.
Quote from: lisagurl on September 04, 2008, 02:08:14 PM
QuoteRepublicans make decisions by what they want God to tell them.
But when God speaks to you how do you know the difference.
QuoteJesus' words as recorded in the Gospels
As God told the authors.
The Bible was written by people who believed they were insired by God. It was not written by God, nor was it dictated by God. That, by the way, was the official teaching of the Catholic schools I went to. If God wrote the Bible, why are there so many contradictions in it (i.e., how did Judas Iscariot die?).
How do I know the difference? How does anyone know the difference. Religion is a personal thing. People on this board have certainly told me that when I believe to hear the voice of God, I'm actually experiencing delusions.
For the record, Democrats also make decisions based on their religion. My wife is a life-long democrat currently working to help defeat CA proposition 8. She has a Master's of Divinity and is scheduled to be ordained as a Christian minister this November. She is working for this particular piece of social justice because of her religion. She's not alone in this regard, too.
QuoteShe is working for this particular piece of social justice because of her religion
I have no problem in people being motivated by God they just need to do action based on rational facts and thought.
It is when there is no evidence (weapons of mass destruction) that a higher power instructed a leader to start a war that belief's cause horror. Positive thinking is not a plan that works by it self.You need to take all the steps necessary based on facts to be successful.
common decency demands
Common decency demands, well, at least common decency, and I don't see much.
And Teddy's driving problems were not exactly not covered by the press, it was a huge story, and pretty much cost him the Presidency. So using Ted, well, it pretty much makes my point that huge laps in personal judgments pretty much disqualify you from the office, and a very personal and very huge failure of a moral stance that she not only takes, but attempts to force her morality on other people. So, its fair and valid to ask the Dr. Phil question, So, How's the working out for you?
If a moral policy is not working out in her own family (and where was she while her little snowflake was busy making the beast with two backs? - is that good parenting? Something we should celebrate, promote and endorse?) then by what right does she shove it on to the rest of us who don't share her faith, her standards, or her morality - or lack thereof, as we will find out.
And if your busy using your kids as props, then we are right and valid to ask just how good their lives are.