Poll
Question:
So what's your average, rounded to whole number?
Option 1: 1
Option 2: 2
Option 3: 3
Option 4: 4
Option 5: 5
Option 6: 6
Option 7: 7
Each of the 21 boxes should contain a value from 1 to 7, categorizing the individual's answers to the questions. For variables A to E these range from 1=Other sex GENDER only to 7=Same sex GENDER only. For variables F and G these range from 1=Heterosexual only to 7=Homosexual only.
And the question about commmunity, 1 would be heteronormative and 7 would be queer/gay.
I feel its important to assess each axis separately--would you be willing to comment and share what you got for each sphere?
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Thanks Tink for inviting me to do this!
Sorry, couldn't fill out B. I'm a virgin (unless you count being molested; I wouldn't really call that sex).
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G: I used to consider myself "heterosexual" as a "tomboy who liked boys." I then came out and started feeling "safer" with girls about a year ago. If I had the right parts and more confidence around men, I'd really want to be gay and with men. But my fear keeps me away from them. I don't have a penis. It just doesn't work out with gay men... at least not yet. So they're like the forbidden fruit. I want them but I'm scared to want them.
Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 11:39:01 PM
Sorry, couldn't fill out B. I'm a virgin (unless you count being molested; I wouldn't really call that sex).
IMO experience should be specifically consensual experience.
BTW yet another thing we have in common.
Weird thing is though... it didn't bother me that the guy did it... it bothered me that he was desceitful and manipulative about it.
Yes I'm a ->-bleeped-<-got slut LOLOL
As you can see, I've averaged 5.
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It bothered me because the man who abused me was family. And he abused me chronically for many years. And my mother still doesn't believe that it happened. I wasn't raped, thank the Gods, but I might as well have been.
Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 11:54:59 PM
It bothered me because the man who abused me was family. And he abused me chronically for many years. And my mother still doesn't believe that it happened. I wasn't raped, thank the Gods, but I might as well have been.
That is awful. My heart hurts for you.
Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 11:39:01 PM
Sorry, couldn't fill out B. I'm a virgin (unless you count being molested; I wouldn't really call that sex).
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G: I used to consider myself "heterosexual" as a "tomboy who liked boys." I then came out and started feeling "safer" with girls about a year ago. If I had the right parts and more confidence around men, I'd really want to be gay and with men. But my fear keeps me away from them. I don't have a penis. It just doesn't work out with gay men... at least not yet. So they're like the forbidden fruit. I want them but I'm scared to want them.
Dan,
Do you mean you wouldn't be bi at all if you had a dick?
Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 12:05:30 AM
Dan,
Do you mean you wouldn't be bi at all if you had a dick?
:eusa_clap:
Does the "what would you like?" question refer to how you'd like to be, or who you'd like to be with?
Quote from: Ciarquin on September 09, 2008, 03:19:16 AM
Does the "what would you like?" question refer to how you'd like to be, or who you'd like to be with?
Ideal is the identity that would make you happiest in each sphere.
Quote from: iFindMeHere on September 09, 2008, 03:22:15 AM
Ideal is the identity that would make you happiest in each sphere.
That's what I thought but I decided it would be best to ask.
*removed*
Im sorry I dont have a clue how to do this!
Quote from: Jay on September 09, 2008, 04:24:03 AM
Im sorry I dont have a clue how to do this!
Me either, lol.
It's like Sexuality Sudoku ;D
I just know that, at this moment in my life, I'm a woman who is attracted mentally, physically and sexually to other women. And once my transition is over I'll be physically gay as well as mentally. That's pretty much all the analysis I want or need. The past isn't as important as the future.
To quote Patrick McGoohan in 'The Prisoner':
"I am not a number!"
Quote from: Jay on September 09, 2008, 04:24:03 AM
Im sorry I dont have a clue how to do this!
Write the numbers on a piece of paper in any order you please.... interpret as you wish... share if you want.
If you wanna get fancy like Elwood and I you can use Photoshop or similar :P
Basically I just LOVE Klein's grid because its got room for fluctuation as well as intention. I like that you can interpret it by sphere, time frame, overall, whatever!
Posted on: September 09, 2008, 02:27:14 PM
Quote from: Leiandra on September 09, 2008, 04:46:07 AM
Me either, lol.
It's like Sexuality Sudoku ;D
I just know that, at this moment in my life, I'm a woman who is attracted mentally, physically and sexually to other women. And once my transition is over I'll be physically gay as well as mentally. That's pretty much all the analysis I want or need. The past isn't as important as the future.
To quote Patrick McGoohan in 'The Prisoner': "I am not a number!"
MY NAME IS JEAN VAL JEAN!!!! :P
And Abraham Lincoln, too:
"For those who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like."
I can do the column for current, but I am getting confused with the past life one. I am assuming I am answering these as a woman. But for instance, but with the gay/lesbian community vs straight community question, I'm not sure what to answer since I was with another woman, but I didn't really hang out with lesbians.
Quote from: Melissa on September 09, 2008, 02:59:41 PM
I can do the column for current, but I am getting confused with the past life one. I am assuming I am answering these as a woman. But for instance, but with the gay/lesbian community vs straight community question, I'm not sure what to answer since I was with another woman, but I didn't really hang out with lesbians.
That first question you ask is a personal judgement thing--do you feel you should be answering them as a woman? then do so.
The community question is whether you hang in a heteronormative social environment or a queer/gay environment. This proves exactly why the Klein grid exists. You had a lesbian relationship but hung out in straight community. so the community sphere should be toward the 1 end for that period. Get it?
Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 12:05:30 AMQuote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 11:39:01 PMSorry, couldn't fill out B. I'm a virgin (unless you count being molested; I wouldn't really call that sex).
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G: I used to consider myself "heterosexual" as a "tomboy who liked boys." I then came out and started feeling "safer" with girls about a year ago. If I had the right parts and more confidence around men, I'd really want to be gay and with men. But my fear keeps me away from them. I don't have a penis. It just doesn't work out with gay men... at least not yet. So they're like the forbidden fruit. I want them but I'm scared to want them.
Dan,
Do you mean you wouldn't be bi at all if you had a dick?
I don't think I'd find women unattractive, but I wouldn't any longer pursue them if I had a chance with men. Because I have a distinct preference. It just doesn't work with my body.
Dan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.
Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:17:12 PMDan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.
Right, but I am miserable with guys. Because while I love them, I envy their bodies. I can't have him flashing his dick around without feeling terrible about myself.
I'm in conflict. Which is why I keep saying I'll never have a partner.
Quote from: Elwood on September 09, 2008, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:17:12 PMDan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.
Right, but I am miserable with guys. Because while I love them, I envy their bodies. I can't have him flashing his dick around without feeling terrible about myself.
I'm in conflict. Which is why I keep saying I'll never have a partner.
God, I don't envy you dealing with all that. Do you think T will make you feel any better in that regard?
Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: Elwood on September 09, 2008, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:17:12 PMDan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.
Right, but I am miserable with guys. Because while I love them, I envy their bodies. I can't have him flashing his dick around without feeling terrible about myself.
I'm in conflict. Which is why I keep saying I'll never have a partner.
God, I don't envy you dealing with all that. Do you think T will make you feel any better in that regard?
I really don't have a clue.
I'll have a micro penis and some more masculine traits but... as long as some guy wants to frak me in the ass and I can't return the favor, it's just not going to be a pleasurable experience. I don't want to be some guy's bitch. I want to have my share, too.
I'm a guy who REALLY wants to penetrate, but I simply cannot. The urge is unbearable.
Quote from: Elwood on September 09, 2008, 05:33:57 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: Elwood on September 09, 2008, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:17:12 PMDan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.
Right, but I am miserable with guys. Because while I love them, I envy their bodies. I can't have him flashing his dick around without feeling terrible about myself.
I'm in conflict. Which is why I keep saying I'll never have a partner.
God, I don't envy you dealing with all that. Do you think T will make you feel any better in that regard?
I really don't have a clue.
I'll have a micro penis and some more masculine traits but... as long as some guy wants to frak me in the ass and I can't return the favor, it's just not going to be a pleasurable experience. I don't want to be some guy's bitch. I want to have my share, too.
I'm a guy who REALLY wants to penetrate, but I simply cannot. The urge is unbearable.
Yeah and rubber really doesn't cut it, I know. It would be great to feel my own body inside my partner. I feel your pain. :(
I scored a 1.3 Oh geez what a surprise! ::)
On another note, I found this link (http://www.youthnetsouthampton.org.uk/breakout/kleingrid.php) about the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid somewhere else, but to my surprise, it only had six alternatives, not seven as the one you cited. I took the online test and I obtained an average of 0.38! :P
tink :icon_chick:
Quote from: Tink on September 09, 2008, 08:48:54 PM
I scored a 1.3 Oh geez what a surprise! ::)
On another note, I found this link (http://www.youthnetsouthampton.org.uk/breakout/kleingrid.php) about the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid somewhere else, but to my surprise, it only had six alternatives, not seven as the one you cited. I took the online test and I obtained an average of 0.38! :P
tink :icon_chick:
i think this is a slightly altered version, ive never seen fetish mentioned in Klein's before. I'm not an expert on Fritz Klein by any stretch, but i get the impression (from what little I know) that he wouldn't mind as long as people are finding themselves.
The online version that Tink linked to uses a numerical scale of 0 to 6, just like Kinsey. How come this goes from 1 to 7?
When I totaled and averaged the numbers according to the OP's version, I got 6.14.
Then with the same answers on a scale of 0 to 6, as in the online version, I got, of course, 5.14.
Anyway, going according to the OP's instructions, I selected number 6 (which corresponds to a Kinsey 5).
Quote from: Hypatia on September 10, 2008, 01:44:10 AM
The online version that Tink linked to uses a numerical scale of 0 to 6, just like Kinsey. How come this goes from 1 to 7?
When I totaled and averaged the numbers according to the OP's version, I got 6.14.
Then with the same answers on a scale of 0 to 6, as in the online version, I got, of course, 5.14.
Anyway, going according to the OP's instructions, I selected number 6 (which corresponds to a Kinsey 5).
ehhh... is Wikipedia. Is not my work. Is copypasta.
3.42 ok fine with me!
Yay sexuality sudoku! I'll play. :D
Attraction: 6, 6, whatever. I'd be okay with whatever attractions and preferences I ever feel, and I wouldn't want to change them.
Behaviour: N/A, 7, 6. A year ago I had not had any experience but if you want me to count whom I'd asked out, flirted with, or crushed on then I'd have to put a 5.
Fantasies: 5, 6, 5
Emotional Preference: 7, 7, 7
Social Preference: How am I to answer this one? Don't "heteronormative" people socialize more with their own gender? I guess that would make me 2, 2, 2 but I don't see how that's a measure of one's orientation.
Hetero/Gay Lifestyle: 3, 6, 5. That's complicated by the fact that up until a few years ago I mistakenly believed myself to be "straight" and tried to fit in in the straight world. Which is a common thing anyway for members of the LGBT community in general.
Self-identification: 5, 6, 7
My chart averages to 5.26 on the 0-7 scale, or I'm at 4.95 according to the calculator site with the 0-6 scale.
Quote from: nerdychick on September 27, 2008, 09:04:00 AM
Social Preference: How am I to answer this one? Don't "heteronormative" people socialize more with their own gender? I guess that would make me 2, 2, 2 but I don't see how that's a measure of one's orientation.
Because that part, as I specified in my writing on the subject, is about whether you have participated, do participate, or want to paticipate in gay or straight community/culture. For example, back in Minneapolis there was a gay coffee shop and down 2 blocks there was a straight one. If one is more "gay/queer/ally/whatevs" they would probably choose the gay shop because the culture there is more to their comfort. if they are more "straight" they might be more comfortable at the straight shop.
Of course this is only an example--whos to say which has better coffee, more comfortable chairs, better amenities? i personally would decide based on that unless i had a specific need to be in a Gay Space at the time.
I thought that fell under the lifestyle section.... given that choice I'd go to the gay shop.
Bio-gender.
2 or 3, I think. ::)
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A: 4, 3, 4
B: 6, 5, 4
C: 2, 5, 4
D: 3, 3, 4
E: 4, 6, 6 (Edit: I changed this when I realized I didn't understand the question well the first time)
F: 4, 6, 5
G: 4, 4, 4
4.29 (recalculated)
I recomputed it and ran the numbers.
A. 5, 7, 7
B. 5, 7, 7
C. 4, 5, 7
D. 7, 7, 7
E. 3, 6, 7
F. 2, 6, 7
G. 2, 7, 7
{2 2 3 4 5 5 5 6 6 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7}
Average (arithmetic mean)=5.8
Median=7
Mode=7
Mom? Dad? There's something I need to tell you: I'm gay.
Standard deviation: 1.68
And the statistician is telling me I'm a "deviation" or something.
A: 6 3 4
B: 6 4 2
C: 5 4 2
D: 5 5 2
E: 3 3 1
F: 4 6 4
G: 3 4 2
Main Res: 3.71
What starting to figure now. Am bi I guess lol.
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average is 3.71
Quote from: Tink on September 09, 2008, 08:48:54 PM
I scored a 1.3 Oh geez what a surprise! ::)
On another note, I found this link (http://www.youthnetsouthampton.org.uk/breakout/kleingrid.php) about the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid somewhere else, but to my surprise, it only had six alternatives, not seven as the one you cited. I took the online test and I obtained an average of 0.38! :P
tink :icon_chick:
On the second test I scored 5.33 out of a possible 6.00.
I prefer girls, you prefer boys, did I understand the test correctly?
Quote from: imaz on February 23, 2009, 07:26:03 PM
On the second test I scored 5.33 out of a possible 6.00.
OK, I knew this would turn out to be confusing.
Who used a scale of 0-6?
Who used a scale of 1-7?
Not accounting for that will throw all the results off.
Quote from: Hypatia on February 24, 2009, 01:44:19 AM
OK, I knew this would turn out to be confusing.
Who used a scale of 0-6?
Who used a scale of 1-7?
Not accounting for that will throw all the results off.
Scale of 1-6 = 5.33
Scale of 1-7 = 6.76
Never really thought of myself as that Gay! ;D
BTW the scales are 1-6 or 1-7, so surely the lowest possible result is 1.00 and the highest 6.00 or 7.00 respectively. Am I missing something here, never was any good at maths...
No, the scales are the same size in either case: If it only goes up to 6, then it starts at 0 (same as Kinsey). If it goes up to 7, then it starts at 1 (which is how this thread was introduced, for some unknown reason). If you got 6.76 on the 1-7 scale, then just drop a whole number, it would be 5.76 for you, Kinsey style. I think. I knew this would get confusing...
Drop a whole number for no apparent reason? Was Kinsey homophobic? ;D
Not in the least-- I meant that whatever value
n you input on the 1 to 7 scale is equivalent to
n-1 on the 0 to 6 scale. So if on the former scale your result is x, then on the latter scale it would be exactly x-1.
The confusion is because the Klein grid originally posted by iFindMeHere is scaled with 1 as the lowest number and 7 as the highest. Then Tink posted a link to the same Klein grid, identical to the first except that the numbers ran from 0 to 6. That's why I was careful to specify which scale I got my results on. See above--
Quote from: Hypatia on September 10, 2008, 01:44:10 AM
The online version that Tink linked to uses a numerical scale of 0 to 6, just like Kinsey. How come this goes from 1 to 7?
When I totaled and averaged the numbers according to the OP's version, I got 6.14.
Then with the same answers on a scale of 0 to 6, as in the online version, I got, of course, 5.14.
Anyway, going according to the OP's instructions, I selected number 6 (which corresponds to a Kinsey 5).
Okay, I did do this quiz, but it's really irrelevant... I know I'm bi, and I'm pretty open with that fact. I thought of myself as almost entirely straight prior to T, and now I'm pretty much 50-50. I don't need a quiz to tell me that.
SD
I don't need a quiz, either, but I was really bored. ;D
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So.. that comes out to.. 5.6. Which is actually pretty accurate. :)
Quote from: Hypatia on February 24, 2009, 10:12:55 PM
Not in the least-- I meant that whatever value n you input on the 1 to 7 scale is equivalent to n-1 on the 0 to 6 scale. So if on the former scale your result is x, then on the latter scale it would be exactly x-1.
The confusion is because the Klein grid originally posted by iFindMeHere is scaled with 1 as the lowest number and 7 as the highest. Then Tink posted a link to the same Klein grid, identical to the first except that the numbers ran from 0 to 6. That's why I was careful to specify which scale I got my results on. See above--
Thanks, failed maths because I was rubbish at it ;D Great explanation BTW.