So, medical, legal and whatever other "mundane" questions of being transgendered, of whatever shape or form, aside, do you attach any mystical significance to it? I mean, various cultures througout history have revered transsexual people as by turns mediators, "gatekeepers", divinely chosen priesthood, et al. Do you find some resonance with that history?
For more detail on the subject, read some of Rachel Pollack's thoughts on it:
http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/archetypal.html (http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/archetypal.html)
http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/abandonment.html (http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/abandonment.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_pollack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_pollack)
So, does your being transgendered represent something ... more to you?
~Simone.
I lost it right about....expert on divinatory tarot.
don't be such a snob! :P
~Simone
Its not snob, its science.
That same science that says that either an eternal, malleable present or alternatively multiple timelines exist in parallel? Same one that says that new universes balloon out of older ones because some higgs-particle gets a bit frisky? Same science that says we influence reality just by looking at it?
Besides, the tarot is actually a book of symbolism and archetypes. It's divinitory uses are secondary, much like those of astrology are.
~Simone.
Well... personally I see being transgendered as just a word used to express the fact (self-percieved, perhaps) that I am a woman trapped in the body of a man. That's pretty much it. To me it's just a term other people use to classify my current condition.
I see myself as a woman first, transsexual/transgendered a distant second. I don't think it marks me out as anyone special, different, or worthy of holding any sort of position... I would prefer to achieve any sort of recognition simply through my own merits and actions as an individual, rather than an unfortunate occurence that I had no control over. And I certainly don't want, or deserve reverence for it.
The only mystical significance I attach to it is that it was a cosmic screw-up of some description. :) One that, in my opinion, there really isn't too much point wondering how it happened, but rather accepting the fact that it has, and figuring out the best way to deal with it.
True, it may afford me a somewhat different perspective on life than some, and hopefully I can use that to help others, but I don't think different equates to better or more capable.
Or... to sum up...
I don't want to be special, I just want to be me. :)
Oh, and as an aside... as a tool for focusing your intuition, the Tarot is really rather useful. :)
Quote from: Leiandra on November 04, 2008, 12:25:35 PMOh, and as an aside... as a tool for focusing your intuition, the Tarot is really rather useful. :)
That it most definitely is. Meditating on and analysing the symbolism in the various cards is really useful.
~Simone.
As an androgyne I don't attach mystical significance to being androgyne, but I do attach mystical significance to being me.
I think some people are significant, the rest are just scenery - perhaps collectively important but not particulalry so on their own.
Not particularly humble am I? :D
What's this talk of "opinionated," Kiera! The mythical cycle states that hermaphradites are invariably docile and peacefull and are actually subject to being lynched by mobs as the mobs evidently know we won't fight it!
You guys need to read more classical studies on gender deviations!! :laugh:
Nichole
Quote from: Leiandra on November 04, 2008, 12:25:35 PM
Or... to sum up...
I don't want to be special, I just want to be me. :)
Cutting through the therapist, doctors, science, opinions on what is transgender, soc, dsm and whatever you care to name
that is the most meaningful thing ive heard since i began to transition.
Quote from: the ramayanaAt one point, the hero Rama had to go into exile. Halfway there, he discovered that most of the people of his home town Ayodhya had been following him.
He told them, "Men and women, turn back!"
The men and women of the village turned back, but those who were neither men nor women did not know what to do, and so they stayed there.
Many years later, Rama returned from exile, and discovered them there still, those who were neither men nor women. He blessed them then, saying that one day they would rule all the world.
That's really kinda cool huh?
~Simone
Quote from: lady amarant on November 05, 2008, 05:23:24 AM
Quote from: the ramayanaAt one point, the hero Rama had to go into exile. Halfway there, he discovered that most of the people of his home town Ayodhya had been following him.
He told them, "Men and women, turn back!"
The men and women of the village turned back, but those who were neither men nor women did not know what to do, and so they stayed there.
Many years later, Rama returned from exile, and discovered them there still, those who were neither men nor women. He blessed them then, saying that one day they would rule all the world.
That's really kinda cool huh?
~Simone
hey what's that from, lady A?
Here's a thought. What if ->-bleeped-<- is an evolutionary process for homo sapiens in the early stages? Maybe the start of a future gender neutral society? ;D
It's from the Ramayana, Nero. An Indian epic poem about the life and works of the Vishnu avatar, Rama. It's the world's second longest poem, eclipsed only by the Mahabarata, also an Indian epic poem.
Nikki
Quote from: Nichole on November 05, 2008, 12:47:13 PM
It's from the Ramayana, Nero. An Indian epic poem about the life and works of the Vishnu avatar, Rama. It's the world's second longest poem, eclipsed only by the Mahabarata, also an Indian epic poem.
Nikki
oh thanks Nikki. :)
Quote from: Nero on November 05, 2008, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: Nichole on November 05, 2008, 12:47:13 PM
It's from the Ramayana, Nero. An Indian epic poem about the life and works of the Vishnu avatar, Rama. It's the world's second longest poem, eclipsed only by the Mahabarata, also an Indian epic poem.
Nikki
oh thanks Nikki. :)
No problem. I have all of this trivial knowledge that needs an avenue to escape sometimes! :)
Nikki
Quote from: CC on November 05, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
Here's a thought. What if ->-bleeped-<- is an evolutionary process for homo sapiens in the early stages? Maybe the start of a future gender neutral society? ;D
Hehe. And like homo superior in X-Men, we are hated and feared because we are better than them.
Who shall join my Brotherhood of Trans-People?! We are destined to rule! Muahahahahaha!!!
~Simone.
The Magnetic Woman.
O, yes, another set of uebermenschen seems like a really, really good idea! :)
Nikki
:P
~S.
Simone, you may be unaware of this, but I have one of those as well!!! :P
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Nichole
Quote from: CC on November 05, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
Here's a thought. What if ->-bleeped-<- is an evolutionary process for homo sapiens in the early stages? Maybe the start of a future gender neutral society? ;D
I don't think there is any selection preasure to become gender neutral (assuming gender is biological and inheritable). You would still need some mechanism by which gender neutral people are more successful at breeding. I also think most transgendered people are not gender neutral. Even myself as an androgyne am not gender neutral.
But perhaps the environment has changed allowing a greater blurring of gendered behaviour so that more transgendered behaviour is expressed.
Hmm have never given to much thought to the spiritual nature of being transgendered in the belief setting of other cultures. Perhaps that evolved as a means that TG individuals after warring with themselves so much are very accustomed to conflict and solutions, so maybe they where often called upon in ancient times to be mediators and wise individuals, or maybe the mental warring brings about more a state of enlightenment and undertanding. As for th tarot my personal experineces lead me to believe its accuracy is very much dependant on the individual. Personally though I hold more faith with Astrology there is just to much hardline math behind it to not have some strong scientific basis plus the accuracy of reading an individuals sun and moon signs then comparing to there personality is often very high and accurate.
Quote from: Nicky on November 04, 2008, 01:18:51 PM
As an androgyne I don't attach mystical significance to being androgyne, but I do attach mystical significance to being me.
I think some people are significant, the rest are just scenery - perhaps collectively important but not particulalry so on their own.
Not particularly humble am I? :D
Shut up! Those are my feelings. Go get your own.
::)
Quote from: CC on November 05, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
Here's a thought. What if ->-bleeped-<- is an evolutionary process for homo sapiens in the early stages? Maybe the start of a future gender neutral society? ;D
I think it's been with us for a long time, plus evidence exists that animals may experience it too (although who knows if they have any dysphoria).