Priest says it's because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion ... :icon_yikes:
COLUMBIA, S.C. - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
It never ends !..... :eusa_wall:
gina
Talk about a sore loser! Ha! :)
I take solace in this R.E.M. lyric:
"Don't turn your talking points on me
History will set me free
The future's ours and you don't even rate a footnote...
NOW!"
Quotepriest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion
I have a better idea they should refrain from believing in the Roman Catholic church.
They should, just maybe, take a look at their leadership's track record. Let's see abortion is intrinsic evil. OK. But allowing the child to become 8-17 and then having a priest use them sexually would be ... what exactly?
Most of us don't have qualms with a particular "evil" provided, of course, it's done by our religious or our friends, or ourselves. Then it becomes something else entirely.
Nichole
The priest's diocese (it currently lacks a bishop) has rejected his claims:
Quote"Father Newman's statements do not adequately reflect the Catholic Church's teachings. Any comments or statements to the contrary are repudiated," said Msgr. Martin Laughlin, administrator of the Charleston Diocese, which is currently without a bishop.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/14/catholic-priest-pummeling-obama-voters/ (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/14/catholic-priest-pummeling-obama-voters/)
That's not his call. He cannot do this because of how people exercised their right to vote.
Gennee
Quote from: Nichole on November 13, 2008, 08:26:04 PM
Let's see abortion is intrinsic evil. OK. But allowing the child to become 8-17 and then having a priest use them sexually would be ... what exactly?
You are lumping all priests in that boat. I would think this community would not promote stereotypes.
I am not catholic, not do I support any kind of pediphile.... But do not pretend to tell me all priests are pediphiles.
Now I might be reading you wrong but I think you just equated a supporter of abortion ( i.e. murder ) being future elect president Obama to pediphila...
Now that is just wrong.
Now as far as what the church or at least the priest, they are not supposed to be involved in politics ( although that hardly stops them ). I believe it was not his place to make that statement to his congregation.
Daisy
Quote from: gennee on November 15, 2008, 06:14:14 PM
That's not his call. He cannot do this because of how people exercised their right to vote.
The priest's decision was out of bounds. But a priest in Fairfield, CA apparently went even further: he kicked a woman out of church because she had an Obama sign on her car.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10968645?source=most_emailed (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10968645?source=most_emailed)
Quote from: Nichole on November 13, 2008, 08:26:04 PM
They should, just maybe, take a look at their leadership's track record. Let's see abortion is intrinsic evil. OK. But allowing the child to become 8-17 and then having a priest use them sexually would be ... what exactly?
Sweetie, I don't agree with this decision, and I am not Catholic. I do, however, know a number of Catholic priests who would never do these kinds of things.
Hugs,
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GUILT
I was rased Catholic. this is just one of the ways they try to control their flock.
I must go now and say my penance, 3 hail marys, for my sins.
What exactly is the down side to getting kicked out of the Catholic Church?
I grew up in Columbia...
And most churches in Columbia are highly proactive in charity. They have set standards regarding certain political issues but are in no way small minded. They accepted me as a blatant atheist as well as several other Muslim transfer students from other countries who wanted to volunteer with them in a program we do every year called Homeworks. Basically it's a week spent with a bunch of catholic late teens and young adults working on repairing houses of poverty stricken members of any religious denomination.
The Catholics of Columbia don't deserve your ridicule, don't judge them until you've spoken to them at least. I friggin hate Catholics but I happen to completely love the people who go to those churches in Columbia I've worked with.
I did 12 years in Catholic Schools, I can pretty much say what I want.
Quote from: tekla on November 22, 2008, 04:15:58 PM
I did 12 years in Catholic Schools, I can pretty much say what I want.
The Catholic establishments being discussed are the ones in Columbia, South Carolina, not the few you went to.
Churches that aren't involved in politics are pretty lousy churches. Certain moral standpoints in politics have everything to do with you if you subscribe to a certain belief that has a stated standpoint on it. Either you support that belief and are a member of that religion, or you don't support it and become some sort of apologetic.
Quote from: Annwyn on November 22, 2008, 04:11:35 PM
don't judge them until you've spoken to them at least. I friggin hate Catholics but
um.... you didn't mean it to sound that way, did you? ;)
As a former Catholic, I guess my opinion is worth no more than anyone's, but I will go ahead and add it anyways.
A lot of us have been scarred by religion, and sometimes the pain never quite goes away. I am still Christian, but I am tolerant of a fair amount of anti-religious venting because often the venter has good reason to be angry. Humans sometimes do, in the name of God, things which have bad consequences.
As someone raised by Catholic parents, I can back up the emotional scarring. Sure, I'm stronger than I used to be, but I probably would have been better off with a more solid moral foundation so I wasn't burning so much effort on relatively small-minded issues. But of course, I'm still dealing with garbage, because the majority off Christians like to throw their collective weight around.
Quote from: gina on November 13, 2008, 07:08:25 PMCOLUMBIA, S.C. - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
As idiotic as it is, he is right to espouse whatever hateful belief he'd like... after giving up the church's tax exempt status. Pay the price of admission like normal people do.
Quote from: gina on November 13, 2008, 07:08:25 PM
because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
should he encourage his parishioners to be politically active? yes
but...
voting is not a sin. (even in Columbia, South Carolina)
choice is not a sin. (even in Columbia, South Carolina)
Quoteis not a sin
Sin is whatever you believe it is.