People don't seem to respect women.
Okay, we all knew that, but... I feel like a very strong, bold, intelligent person inside... but I also feel like I should have a vagina and estrogen in my system. But... when I tell people I feel like a girl, they automatically assume I'm going to run around in makeup, dresses, and high heels. I feel like yelling out "I'm a girl because I am, not because I want to be girly all the time!" You know? That just kinda ticks me off...
For heavens sake, I can be girly, but that doesn't make me... worth less, you know?
Gender denotes an identity where societies generally assigns roles of contrasting value but which do not intrinsically necessitate a role or value.
In other words, you're absolutely right to be ticked off.
Welcome to being a woman. Even bios women have this problem. Ever heard of the Feminist Movement? Or the Glass Ceiling? ( just a point, don't kill me for the statement Plez )
It isn't right but it happens all of the time. Some of the guys at work wouldn't let me do certain things, just because I a woman. It isn't because I can't. It is because they think a woman shouldn't do it.
Got news for you, they ain't gonna respect you just because your a guy either.
Men are taken at face value, women on the value of their face.
If only my boobs could talk, it would be much easier.
Rebecca
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Tis the unfortunate dilemma that comes with being part of a society built foolishly.
Can't control how others interpret what you say either.
Men suck. Except the ones who don't. Which is not often. ;)
You're right. You shouldn't be judged on your appearance and biology, but on your ability and who you are. Sadly, we're still in the grip of a patriarchal system that has, as far back as we can tell, endured for about 7000 years. Guys have it good under this system, so they have no reason to change it. Women have by turns been property, slaves, target practice and all sorts of other horrible things.
It's up to strong women to change things.
~Simone.
hahaha! it always ticks me off that when i start talking about how i feel more like i'm a guy everyone imagines someone in sports clothes listening to hip hop or a cowboy in the rodeo. i think the same people who imagine you in high heels and me on a motorcylce: they wouldn't be nearly so extremely masculine or feminine if they were to describe how they see themselves.
in my mind, i'm a somewhat "feminine" man, not really macho or anything. i have an appreciation for art and poetry as well as going to a baseball game. a lot like most of my male friends.
maybe the image in people's minds is like what you might see at some drag shows, very exaggerated masculinity or femininity...but our lives aren't a drag show!
btw if anyone knows of people who do drag as : man dressed as boyish woman, or woman dressed as girly man...i'm curious! and don't know much about that sort of scene now that i'm out in the middle of nowhere
And I am in to motorcycles.
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 18, 2008, 11:40:22 AM
And I am in to motorcycles.
great example!
;D
(i know nothing about them... do you own one? what do you ride?)
Had one. 2006 Suzuki C50T Boulevard. And I loved that bike, but I had to sell it to pay bills. :'(
Quote from: Emme on November 18, 2008, 01:44:45 PM
I'm wondering how much of these perceptions come from people overcompensating? For example, a FtM who was never allowed to wear pants, cut her hair, play with trucks, etc finally gets to be the man "she" always felt and now says "Hey, I have a lot of time to make up for." Or the MtF who was denied all the feminine things now feels like there's much to make up for and will only wear ultra femme styles. It's a concept I've been mulling over lately, and it's entirely possible I'm completely off base, but I'd be interested in anyone's thoughts.
Side note: No, I don't feel this is an across the board generalization that applies to the entire TS community at large, so please, if you're going to pelt me with stuff, could it be hershey bars and chocolate covered cherries?
I think this is true in some cases for sure. Like a starving man presented with a buffet after so many years.
I am guilt of that love to wear free flowing dresses. But I have to wear jeans at work. And some times I might out a little over board with the eye shadow. But hey I have a lot of time that I was locked in that male role. What is wrong with wanting to feel pretty.
By the way here come a pallet of chocolate covered cherries, mius the plaet and a couple of boxes for yours truly. ;D
I respect everyone... Although I also tease everyone.
Maybe the best way to put it is that I crap on everyone equally. Lol...
Dude. Being a girl, having a vagina, and having estrogen doesn't make a person stupid.
Hello! Dapper Dan, here. I took and IQ test last Saturday, and I got a decent score. I should get the actual numbers soon, but the tester at least said I am "highly intelligent" and my lowest score was an average score... all the other scores were above average and I scored superior on the language section. All of this... and I have estrogen and a vagina.
Quote from: Buffy on November 18, 2008, 01:39:05 AM
Men are taken at face value, women on the value of their face.
If only my boobs could talk, it would be much easier.
Rebecca
Rebecca, I have conversations with men at work all the time. My boobs CAN talk, apparently. Otherwise, when I'm talking to some of them, why do they respond to them, instead of me?
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Bev
Quote from: Emme on November 18, 2008, 04:59:12 PM
And there's nothing wrong with wanting to feel pretty. I was just thinking that it really only takes one person to influence, either positively or negatively, the perceptions towards an entire group. So I was curious the extent an encounter with someone overcompensating (and I use that word simply because I can't think of a better one at the moment) would have on the bigger picture and if the negative perceptions from that one encounter would or could outweight more positive encounters.
seems like sometimes human brains pick up and remember exaggerated, um...what's the word for -est...superlatives...over remembering subtle, plain ole things...at least with things we're not familiar with. then over time pick up the details. does that make any sense? so i could see someone remembering an extremely femme mtf and not even realizing that this isn't a definition.
i'm remembering my first times being "out" at a lesbian bar, and how most all the people my age wore cargo shorts and had crew cuts and felt it necessary to go "hey yo!" like a frat boy and smoke and play pool all the time. i did not fit in at all. i would try to talk about music or a show i was going to that weekend and they'd say "nah, i'm watchin football."
i started to wonder if that was what i was "supposed" to be like (very ridiculous thought now that i look back) took some time for me to feel ok not being like that. took some time for me to notice and meet other people.
well...actually...i just ended up talking to gay men most of the time.