well i finally did it i got my first pair of girl pants got 'em at cato was a little suprised because their website did not list the location that i went to as having + sizes but got 'em & Pardon me for saying so but . . . (I LOVE THEM) they actually fit me and i look so damed cut if i do say so myself, & what really suprised me was that the woman i talked to after i had to finally convinsed her to at least look for the pants for me,and was a little shocked when she said she had a flood of guys buying the same thing no luck with the vest i wanted but it's a start.