Okay, so I am looking for some advice here. The time has come where I really start planning for my future and I am trying to figure things out...like how much money I need saved in particular. First off, a nose job is definitely happening. I broke my nose badly when I was young, so this isn't even my "real" nose anyways. And very likely a trachea shave since it is relatively inexpensive anyways. Will that be enough though? Sometimes I think it will, other times I absolutely despise my chin and other features too. I just can't see myself as female in the mirror and this is definitely an issue to me. It doesn't matter how often my girlfriend tells me I look extremely passable or how rarely I get any strange looks while out, I just don't FEEL like I look like a female. I see a guy when I look in the mirror and I don't like it one bit.
I'm about 5 months in on HRT. Here are some photos
Front: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/front.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/front.jpg)
Profile: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/profile.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/profile.jpg)
Threequarters: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/threequarters.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/threequarters.jpg)
And for good measure, one with my hair down: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/hairdown.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/hairdown.jpg)
Also a few questions if anyone is able to answer. Price is definitely a concern for me. My counselor gave me a printoff with some transgender businesses in the area, and surprisingly there was a local surgeon that did FFS for the eyes and nose. How important is the skill of the surgeon for something like rhinoplasty? Does price even vary very largely from surgeon to surgeon (excluding "top" surgeons of course)?
Edit:
Virtual FFS Pics
Pics of me now:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/Front-1.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/Front-1.jpg)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/ProfileLeft.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/ProfileLeft.jpg)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/45Right.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/45Right.jpg)
Pics of me post-op
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/Nick1d.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/Nick1d.jpg)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/Nick2d.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/Nick2d.jpg)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/Nick3d.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Znwo/Nick3d.jpg)
Let me start off with a warning, of sorts. Once you have partial FFS, for me at least it was really hard to stick with just that. I initially just had my chin and trachea shave done and am extremely happy with the results, but I quickly started re-focusing my energy on the rest of the things I didn't get done and they seemed to get worse in how I saw them on the do-I-look-feminine scale.
Before my first FFS surgery I really only cared about my trachea and chin as they were, to me, the most prominent and male features. Now that those are taken care of, the other things are not as balanced as they used to be when everything was "male", so now they look more masculine these days. Therefore, I've opted now to get the rest done (forehead, brows, and nose). So one word of advice, save every penny you have now and cut down spending to bare minimum so that you can be prepared if you end up wanting more. Worse case you'll have money saved up even if you elect not wanting any more surgery.
Ok, with that said, in my opinion I agree with you on the nose. That's pretty much a given for most of us girls. I would say the chin would be good to get as well. It's not bad in the least for the profile, but is a little too angular in the front shot. Your forehead is pretty good, really the only thing up there I would recommend is maybe a brow lift and possible contouring since your brows overhang somewhat prominently and it would "open" up your eyes. Other than that I would say you're good. You have a great upper lip with a nice lift to it. Your jaw needs no work that I can see. Your trachea, at least what I can see of it is not prominent at all and could very well be skipped, or at least put off for the more important procedures.
I would say save up at least $20-25K and you'll have enough for the things I mentioned, nose, brow lift/contouring, and chin (and then about $5K+ in hospital fees). But it does also depend on the surgeon you go for. From what I've seen, nose jobs don't really vary that much. But the other things can and do.
Oh, and as far as skill, I would recommend a skilled surgeon in any procedure as it does alter your main focus of your appearance (your face) and should never be taken lightly. Do research on the surgeon prior to booking and make sure they're qualified.
Cooooool! You have different coloured eyes!
Okay, I think you look pretty good, though the hair down hides your features and makes you look much more male. I think yeah to the nose. Other features ... quite honestly, I think you look good. SarahR may have a point on the chin, but I don't think it's really noticeable.
~Simone.
Hi Fallen Leaves hon
I noticed the eyes, quite unique.
I see a lot of potential in your features. You appear to be young still, and youth is usually the best trick for best results from HRT. You say you have been on HRT for only five months, May I suggest you wait until you have been on HRT for a full year before making any decisions on FFS? You may be quite amazed in the changes after a years time. You may be better off putting that money in a savings acount, and if it turns out that you have had sufficiently desired changes, then keep saving that money towards SRS if that is your plan.
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on December 11, 2008, 11:42:39 PM
Hi Fallen Leaves hon
I noticed the eyes, quite unique.
I see a lot of potential in your features. You appear to be young still, and youth is usually the best trick for best results from HRT. You say you have been on HRT for only five months, May I suggest you wait until you have been on HRT for a full year before making any decisions on FFS? You may be quite amazed in the changes after a years time. You may be better off putting that money in a savings acount, and if it turns out that you have had sufficiently desired changes, then keep saving that money towards SRS if that is your plan.
Cindy
Well, that is kind of my plan right now. I am just going to start saving in preparation. If I feel satisfied with the changes, then I certainly won't bother with FFS. HRT isn't going to fix my broken nose though so I am fairly certain that I will opt for that procedure at least.
SarahR: Thank you very much. That was sort of my guess too as to what were my most prominent male features. Due to my extremely addictive and somewhat perfectionist personality I think it very likely I be in the same boat as you in that I will want more than just my nose done. I could definitely see my jaw and brow standing out to me even more after I got my nose done.
$25k seems so very daunting to me. On a college student's earnings...sigh. Worse is my degree and my girlfriend's degree are at least 3-5 years away as we both plan on getting our master's.
Wow. Everything was groovy till the last pic. I mean, totally female with your hair back like that. 100% female from every angle. Then with the hair down.... Somehow it just obscured the femaleness.
So, keep the hair back. You look adorable. And those eyes are wild!
Quote from: Nero on December 12, 2008, 03:30:39 PM
Wow. Everything was groovy till the last pic. I mean, totally female with your hair back like that. 100% female from every angle. Then with the hair down.... Somehow it just obscured the femaleness.
So, keep the hair back. You look adorable. And those eyes are wild!
Isn't that weird? I never even realized it until now. I guess I feel like I look more attractive with my hair down as that is certainly my favorite picture (followed by the threequarters picture with my profile picture seeming the least attractive), but I also definitely look extremely male. Part of it is probably because I am in the process of growing my hair out and I have no idea what to do with it at this length. It might be time to go in again and get it slightly trimmed and styled.
Out of those images, I thought the front looked the best. They all looked okay, but that last image... No, just no.
When I take pictures of my ugliness, I tend to somehow choose the most horrid ones.
QuoteCooooool! You have different coloured eyes!
Yea, those eyes totally rawk!!! Very cool!
Quote from: je on December 12, 2008, 03:53:42 PM
Yea, those eyes totally rawk!!! Very cool!
I agree, although trying to find matching outfits is a nightmare, lol. You could sport the whole two-face wardrobe though ;)
Quote from: je on December 12, 2008, 03:53:42 PM
Out of those images, I thought the front looked the best. They all looked okay, but that last image... No, just no.
When I take pictures of my ugliness, I tend to somehow choose the most horrid ones.
Yea, those eyes totally rawk!!! Very cool!
I have wondered if I do that too. People often seem to disagree with me with how bad or good I look in photos.
I do love my eyes (it's always the girls that notice...not complaining there), although I usually like coordinating with my hair more than anything. Something about black shirts (and sometimes white) against black hair that I just really like. I've definitely noticed wearing some lighter blues can definitely bring out my eyes though. I just need more clothes =)
I ended up having major facial and cranium restructuring because of damages done to me, from a mugging/rape.
Very little is original as it was. The entire process took over five years, and well over sixty five grand..not including orthodontic reconstruction, and ophthalmic surgery. I had micro surgery to hide scars later.
When I look at myself today in the mirror, I still feel my face, and wonder if there should be more done? i.e. Identity Shock! I have had Botox and collagen touch ups as well. You can also become addicted to facial surgery. Which is why, some women cannot stop, and end up ruining their faces.
My husband tells me I am perfect. My mother tells me, that the boy she raised is gone, without a trace.
My sisters tell me, enough is enough. They are jealous of my nose. My dad says, I'm not at all the same person. Umm, DUH! Hello, my face was shattered, remember?
If you decide to have any facial reconstructions, make sure your doctor is certified by the American Board of Plastic Surgery,
and a member with the American Society of Plastic Surgeons. Also, ask for references and look at before and after photos.
Get ready for pain like you've never experienced, and a swelled black and blue face for many weeks on end. ( after the wrappings come off that is.. ) You'll also be inactive for a while. It can take a year for things to settle and become what they will be.
There will be scars no matter how well done it is. Make up is the only answer to that!
Having a good bone structure to start with, is the canvas that your surgeon will work his magic on...I think you have it...
You're beautiful as is. And, yes, keep the hair UP!!!
I don't know why you want a nose job -- maybe pic #2 showed a problem, but it was hard to tell because of the background. I also don't know why you want a tracheal shave -- no Adan's apple was visible in any of those pictures -- but I guess you really want that too.
There will always be some way to be more beautiful. I'd really encourage you to stop after those two. Unless there's a real problem (or you just have tons of money to throw around) I'd say it's not worth either the money or the risk. There are ways to make yourself beautiful that don't involve knives -- ways that actually work.
IMO, you look fine.
Would be an enormous waste of money for not very much.
Give the 'mones another 12 months and see how you feel.
Great eyes.
I won't presume to be a plastic surgeon though. I don't even know where to start.
Not bad at all, your face is just so androgynous that I can't pick out what exactly would switch it one way or another.
Quote from: Alyssa M. on December 16, 2008, 11:22:26 PM
You're beautiful as is. And, yes, keep the hair UP!!!
I don't know why you want a nose job -- maybe pic #2 showed a problem, but it was hard to tell because of the background. I also don't know why you want a tracheal shave -- no Adan's apple was visible in any of those pictures -- but I guess you really want that too.
There will always be some way to be more beautiful. I'd really encourage you to stop after those two. Unless there's a real problem (or you just have tons of money to throw around) I'd say it's not worth either the money or the risk. There are ways to make yourself beautiful that don't involve knives -- ways that actually work.
Quote from: Vexing on December 16, 2008, 11:26:52 PM
IMO, you look fine.
Would be an enormous waste of money for not very much.
Give the 'mones another 12 months and see how you feel.
Which pictures are you looking at? I mean come on, who are you lying to, her or yourselves? She's expressed her concerns, quite accurately I believe, and you poo poo her. I've said it before and I'll say it again: FFS is a highly personal decision. She asked for opinions to evaluate her own conclusions..... not a snow job. If you're a surgery phobe... fine, just don't post to threads like these. If you don't have the resources to pursue FFS... fine, just don't try to hold somebody else back from what they need.
I'm and FFS grad (2005) and it was the best money I've ever spent.
Having been only 5 months on HRT I'd recommend waiting a bit to see what you will truly need/want out of your FFS. It's like having BAS, it's better to wait a bit until fat and shapes resettle.
I think you look nice, honestly, and you just need that reshaping to occur. Gaining a bit of weight wouldn't hurt either.
Not to turn this topic into a bickerfest, but I don't think your being happy with your FFS disqualifies other people's sense of beauty, Beyond.
I would also wait for a while, let the HRT work its way into every little cell in your body before making such a decision. Ive been on HRT for a little over a year and I can't believe the changes already...
I think you already have a lot of feminine features, especially in the profile picture...
The fat will redistribute and change the body in ways that I know will surprise you :-)
You are young enough that HRT will have an impact on your face. It will depend largely on what your given, and at what doses.
Time is also on your side. Being young, you haven't developed a man's face yet. Your genetics have given you a ingenue face, which is very good.
I'd like to make a couple of other points after reviewing your pic's.
Keep in mind, once you cut into your face, and the surgeon breaks, and scrapes bone, cartilage, and alters your structure, it is nearly impossible to reverse it. I have known a few women who haven't liked the results they got, and regretted it later. One was a face lift, that went to far, her skin had been severely damaged by a lifetime of sunbathing...results was a stretched tight alligator hide.
Another one, over did the lips, and ended up with carp mouth. Big ole fish lips! Nasty!
HRT will fill out your face some, to give it a softer look. It is going to depend greatly on your family genetics. Female hormones are water holding hormones. HRT will redistribute fat and water in your body. With enough time, and proper strengths, you'll become "fleshed out" in all the right places. Your skin will change to a velvety texture, and body hair growth will change too.
As a pretty young man, you still have some areas, that might need some work.
Brow line...
Nose hump...
Chin prominence...
And lack of cheek bones...
Your major assets are your eye shape and color. Hair line and density of hair.
Nice lips and mouth. And a creamy complexion.
The skull under it all, isn't to mannish yet. If you do have FFS, on any part of your face, don't go over board. I can see from an artists eye, you have the possibility to look absolutely gorgeous by the time your 30...
A well qualified plastic surgeon could do realistic renderings of what he/she could give you. You can discuss it, and make changes to your preferences before scalpel ever touches skin.
I wish you luck with your decision...
Rene'
FFS is just a little sub branch of plastic surgery, a place were good outcomes and bad outcomes pretty much match, the greater the amount of work, the higher the likelihood that it could go wrong in a big way. The number of Hollywood/entertainment types who have had it go bad is even pretty high, and they are paying top dollars to top people.
HRT is not going to change the underlying bone structure of your face. But I think
with a year or two of HRT and a rhinoplasty you will be so pretty that you will decide
your other masculine traits are not a problem.
Those masculine traits are the height and shape of your chin and the bossing
around the orbital sockets. But I think once the nose is taken care of nobody will
even see those.
Amanda
Quote from: Beyond on December 17, 2008, 07:22:41 AM
Quote from: Alyssa M. on December 16, 2008, 11:22:26 PM
You're beautiful as is. And, yes, keep the hair UP!!!
I don't know why you want a nose job -- maybe pic #2 showed a problem, but it was hard to tell because of the background. I also don't know why you want a tracheal shave -- no Adan's apple was visible in any of those pictures -- but I guess you really want that too.
There will always be some way to be more beautiful. I'd really encourage you to stop after those two. Unless there's a real problem (or you just have tons of money to throw around) I'd say it's not worth either the money or the risk. There are ways to make yourself beautiful that don't involve knives -- ways that actually work.
Quote from: Vexing on December 16, 2008, 11:26:52 PM
IMO, you look fine.
Would be an enormous waste of money for not very much.
Give the 'mones another 12 months and see how you feel.
Which pictures are you looking at? I mean come on, who are you lying to, her or yourselves? She's expressed her concerns, quite accurately I believe, and you poo poo her. I've said it before and I'll say it again: FFS is a highly personal decision. She asked for opinions to evaluate her own conclusions..... not a snow job. If you're a surgery phobe... fine, just don't post to threads like these. If you don't have the resources to pursue FFS... fine, just don't try to hold somebody else back from what they need.
I'm and FFS grad (2005) and it was the best money I've ever spent.
Well, would you care to share? What would you have done?
I simply said that the pictures didn't clearly show the problems she mentioned -- nose and trachea -- not because they don't exist, but because, well, the pictures didn't clearly show them. I mean, there was a collar in the way, and the profile of the nose had a weird blur in it.
Makes me wonder if there is such a thing as pre-holiday PMS because there appears to be a lot of it going on in the past couple of days on different threads here.
What is wrong with suggesting to someone to wait until they are 12 months on HRT to see what improvements there will be in the fat and water redistribution process brought about bt the hormones?
I believe a year is not much to suggest, especially for a younger individual to wait to see the results, before deciding on how much of any type of FFS is required, if at all.
Speaking for myself I was not discouraging FFS, that is for the individual to decide on in the end anyway. I was merely suggesting to at least wait a year on HRT before making that decision.
Cindy
Quote from: Beyond on December 17, 2008, 07:22:41 AM
Quote from: Vexing on December 16, 2008, 11:26:52 PM
IMO, you look fine.
Would be an enormous waste of money for not very much.
Give the 'mones another 12 months and see how you feel.
Which pictures are you looking at? I mean come on, who are you lying to, her or yourselves? She's expressed her concerns, quite accurately I believe, and you poo poo her.
WTF?
I said that
SHE LOOKS FINEWhat do you mean 'which pictures are you looking at'?
Are you trying to say she looks like a man and needs FFS?
Well?
QuoteI've said it before and I'll say it again: FFS is a highly personal decision. She asked for opinions to evaluate her own conclusions..... not a snow job.
Again, WTF?
I gave my honest opinion;
I think she looks fine.QuoteIf you're a surgery phobe... fine, just don't post to threads like these. If you don't have the resources to pursue FFS... fine, just don't try to hold somebody else back from what they need.
Who the hell are you to get all up my arse and tell me I shouldn't express my opinion?
If you don't like my opinions,
feel free to ignore them and STFU.
K?
QuoteI'm and FFS grad (2005) and it was the best money I've ever spent.
I couldn't care less. This thread isn't about you.
Quote from: cindybc on December 17, 2008, 01:45:25 PM
Makes me wonder if there is such a thing as pre-holiday PMS because there appears to be a lot of it going on in the past couple of days on different threads here.
Seems to be a case of 'Poke Vexing with a stick and see if you survive the experience intact' week.
Hint: you won't. Survive the experience intact, that is.
Go ahead and poke all you want hon if that is what pleases you, but you aint gettin my goat. I may be only 5'3" tall but if you show up at my door A 6'0'' mommy trucker will greet you there. ;D "Hee, hee, hee. makes ya wonder why some people join message boards for, Why don't you meet me on my Empaths board then I can have the pleasure of hitting the baned button. Ehhh, crap, look at who is being childish now. I'm child like not childish, Byeeeeeeeeeee.
Cindy
Renee has it spot on and Amanda may be right too as they both are very similar in their answers. I had 3 FFS myself so i know what can be done.
nose brows maybe chin and maybe cheeks but those two are tough to get right whereas the nose and brows can be done endoscopically.
Quote from: cindybc on December 17, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
Go ahead and poke all you want hon if that is what pleases you, but you aint gettin my goat. I may be only 5'3" tall but if you show up at my door A 6'0'' mommy trucker will greet you there. ;D "Hee, hee, hee. makes ya wonder why some people join message boards for, Why don't you meet me on my Empaths board then I can have the pleasure of hitting the baned button. Ehhh, crap, look at who is being childish now. I'm child like not childish, Byeeeeeeeeeee.
Cindy
My statement wasn't directed at you, honey.
You haven't done anything to irritate me :)
Ok sorry, if you join my empath group I promise I won't ban you. ;D
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on December 17, 2008, 06:44:09 PM
Ok sorry, if you join my empath group I promise I won't ban you. ;D
Cindy
S'alright, I'm more of a warpath than an empath ;D
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Thank you all for you concerns. I think I did say that I have no plans to have any FFS before a year on HRT. I am just trying to figure out what to expect. I pretty much KNOW I am getting rhinoplasty though and probably can not be talked out of it. Right now my current goal will be December '10 for that, 1.5 years after starting HRT. I just don't see HRT somehow magically fixing my broken / crooked nose. After that (thanks to some of the replies in this thread), I think I am going to decide whether I actually do need my chin and brow done. I may opt to put that money towards SRS instead, but I am also going to try to be saving for it in case I do decide I want it. I really just needed some realistic savings goals. I know I am young and I do have a pretty good starting point, but as others have said this is really a personal decision. When I look in the mirror I find it extremely difficult not to focus on some of my male features and this is a problem. I'm not rushing into anything though.
Again, thank you so much to everyone.
See you when your twelve months on HRT hon and I bet there isn't going to be a whole lot left to recognize by then, Year after that I'll go dancing at your wedding. ;D
Cindy
QuoteCooooool! You have different coloured eyes!
Okay, I think you look pretty good, though the hair down hides your features and makes you look much more male. I think yeah to the nose. Other features ... quite honestly, I think you look good
I agree.
cool eyes ;D In the mean time, while saving up (if ffs is the way you wanna go) there are all kinds of hair and make up tricks one can do. A hair cut can affect the way your face looks and so can make up. It's good to know how to do all of that, especially in the start 'cause it will help with your confidence.
Then there's me, I ended up shaving half of my head and rarely wear make up (or just some eyeliner) -- now I just look like a dyke (and I am), but the good thing is that I know a lot of dykes that have a lot of boyish features (more so than you, actually). *dyke power!*
So, with that point, how you present yourself goes a long way. Your clothes, hair, make up, etc. I also find confidence helps. HRT over time helps, too. But, save your cash so that you have FFS as an option.
Well the only thing I've had worked on so far is a blepharoplasty, so I may not be the best one to ask. But yes, prepare for pain. Big time! I have a girlfriend who is traveling to Mexico in a couple of weeks, and the cost is amazingly less. But we will see how good the results are. I may be following her lead if it is good.
I agree with the others...keep your hair up. With it up, you look almost identical to my niece, who is working to become a model. You are seriously pretty. Your chin is more square is the only difference.
Please do post a pic after a year or so of HRT. Can't wait to see what a little fat redistribution will do.
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I have never had facial surgery but I hear it hurts more then SRS, well my SRS was only mostly discomfort, so I don't know if that's a good example to use. Never had any broken bones either, a few bumps and bruises is all.
Cindy
Quote from: Jocelynn H on December 18, 2008, 12:40:50 AM
Thank you all for you concerns. I think I did say that I have no plans to have any FFS before a year on HRT. I am just trying to figure out what to expect. I pretty much KNOW I am getting rhinoplasty though and probably can not be talked out of it. Right now my current goal will be December '10 for that, 1.5 years after starting HRT. I just don't see HRT somehow magically fixing my broken / crooked nose. After that (thanks to some of the replies in this thread), I think I am going to decide whether I actually do need my chin and brow done. I may opt to put that money towards SRS instead, but I am also going to try to be saving for it in case I do decide I want it. I really just needed some realistic savings goals. I know I am young and I do have a pretty good starting point, but as others have said this is really a personal decision. When I look in the mirror I find it extremely difficult not to focus on some of my male features and this is a problem. I'm not rushing into anything though.
Again, thank you so much to everyone.
Hi Jocelynn,
If you still are checking back on this thread, just a point you may have already realized. If you find after HRT that the only thing you want to change is your nose, or really anything "fleshy" (ie not involving bone work) , you can probably solicit the services of any competent local cosmetic surgeon, saving the cost of travel to the "FFS specialists", which may or may not be located locally.
Looking at your pictures, you may find this to be the case after HRT. I would die for your hairline young lady!
Wow, this thread got a bit ugly pre-holidays.. glad I wasn't here then, *giggles*.
*huggs*,
Melan
With your hair up, and if everything went well. I believe you can pass. Just the chin and nose, in my opinion, and only when you had your hair down.
"Hee, hee." I had forgotten about this thread. I do pray that Jocelynn wasn't to offended and comes back to chat. I would love to see what she looks like. May God bless.
Cynthia
I changed my name but I really am considering going back to Jocelyn. I actually posted my Virtual FFS pics in the members section, which is similar (hopefully) to what I'll look like come December. I ended up deciding on nose, chin (w/ slight jaw), and brow (w/ slight forehead).
Hi Jocelyn hun, I don't know how to find your pictures in the members section but I can see by your avatar photo that there have definitely been some changes since the first photos you posted on this thread. :)
Cindy
Go to the Just for us forums. The thread is called "My Virtual FFS Pics". Also, I'll edit the photos into the first page of this thread.
I only wish I actually looked like my avatar on a day to day basis. It's just using lighting and camera angles to hide my large nose (and the bump on it) and my prominent chin. I think I also have my eyebrows slightly lifted. My hair is wet too which helps me look slightly more feminine with the straight (usually curly) hair framing my face. Anyways, that's basically just a best case scenario for me and rarely ever happens =)
u not looks like a women...u need surgery
You have GREAT raw materials!!! very very pretty face ! I'm so jealous. Such pretty eyes OMG! With your nose I would suggest a surgeon who specializes in FFS because there are slight differences between the genders that you'll want your surgeon to pay attention to. Specifically the BRIDGE of the nose is more shallow and narrow on women... generally. After your nose is "cuter" you may want to have the chin looked at but there are women who do have jutting chins like yours. Generally women have slighter chins than men. Your brown bone is slightly large for a woman but not overly so, you could probably get away with "shaving" or "burring" of your brow bone if you want your forehead to look a little more feminine as opposed to people like me who have large brow bones and would need complete reconstruction of the brow bone and orbital rims. Your eyes are a bit deep set, which is a masculine trait, BUT you are right on the edge... so perhaps reduction of your orbital rims later on if your proverbial ship comes in. These are simply my opinions... don't flame me. Make sure you research your surgeon extensively. You can easily find out if there have been any legal actions taken against your surgeon which can suggest extremely unhappy customers. In the US there is Dr. O (although he is getting up there in age), Dr. Spiegel in Boston, (although there seems to be some unhappy patients who are wandering around but have not taken legal action against him for some reason), then there is Dr. Meltzer who does not circulate his after photos very much and I can't imagine why. Dr. Z is under a LOT of fire because he is a bit brutish in some of his techniques where as Spiegel and Meltzer tend to be soft handed. Dr. O is the god of FFS but ... rumors are circulating that he might be past his prime which SUX for us girls who didn't get to him 10 years ago.
I'm pretty much in your same boat, I had my nose broken as well and it's slightly curved to the side with almost the same bump. I know exactly how much you notice it every time you look in the mirror, and wonder why people don't just stare...
But, then I look at your picture and until I studied it I didn't even notice your nose. I see your chin and while today it is slightly squared I believe it will round off.
I am going to side with those and say give it time. I want to throw my picture up here right now and say ok girls, tear me apart what do I need? But then I realize that this is a process of 12-18 months, and I'm cheating myself if I go for anything now.
Two things that I'll say you will need regardless is a trach shave and your nose fixed. Other then that you have an amazing base that I think the hormones will take care of for you. And gain some weight! I am also like you and really skinny, for me it's extremely hard to put on weight be it fat or muscle, but find some way if you can and gain weight and I'm sure that will help a ton as well.
You are beautiful, so wait at least a year before deciding to do anything.
Hi Jocelyn,
I think that you are being quite sensible in your approach, in terms of passing trachea shave, that's it (incidently this is about the only thing that I don't need, sob!) If your nose bothers you then you should get it done because it will only increase your confidence. As for anything else, I really think that you should give it a couple of years before making any big changes, I think that HRT wil make a huge difference as will finding your own style. You have an amazing starting point and I think that you will look amazing.