are you alive or do you just exist? ;)
You exist being dead also.
dunno. so long as breath and heat is there in the body we are supposed to be "alive".
just live/exist. this has to be viewed from the way one leads his life. one can make best use of the given opportunity. otherwise just "exist".
Quoteone can make best use of the given opportunity
This is subjective ask the Governor of Ill.
Hi Katia,
Hope you have been well!
Figuratively I existed for the past 5 years and am trying to wake up from the dead. I am again interacting with people and trying to be useful and alive.
Now literally I believe we are all spiritual beings and our spirit can live outside of this body. Everything seems much too amazing and intricate to just be random. I also believe that are a lot of things that exist that we can not see or touch and those things are not alive.
K
QuoteI also believe that are a lot of things that exist that we can not see or touch and those things are not alive.
Then how can you make a statement about what you do not know?
"Then how can you make a statement about what you do not know?"
Are there stars in the sky that we can not touch or see? Each time we make a stronger telescope we find more "stuff" in the universe.
Does a black hole really exist?
Does time stand still if we approach the speed of light?
Many things we can not see or touch but we speculate they exist.
As humans increase there understanding of the universe they realize there is much more to learn.
Then how do you know things are not alive? If things do exist that we do not sense then they also can be alive.
Well, as Descartes proved, if there's only one thing that I can know is that I exist. "Alive" would depend on the definition of the word :)
The way you mean it, I am alive and proverbially kicking ;)
Very much alive. Closing in on 72. Mourning the loss of investment dollars, Still working and being appreciated for it. Upgrading the condo. Will get the mainland house ready to sell next spring/summer. Signed up for another cruise and will soon sign up for Gender Odyssey 2009 with my husband.
Life is good and worth living. At the end, come screeching in on your 120 year old back, all bruised and bleeding, shouting, "Whoa. What a ride."
Robyn
I am so alive that I could go to the streets right now and scream: I AM ALIVE! ;D. To me "being alive" means that I am enjoying life to the fullest (i.e, I am HAPPY) "just living or existing" is getting through the days without any enjoyment (i.e. a shell, zombie, nothing to live for, etc)
tink :icon_chick:
Hi Tink and Robyn, it's nice to hear others around here that are happy, it proves that we can be happy if we set our minds and hearts to it.
QuoteAt the end, come screeching in on your 120 year old back, all bruised and bleeding, shouting, "Whoa. What a ride."
I love that saying.
I refuse to be anything else but happy. I left 25 years of hell behind me so I think I deserve to be happy. I get my gloomy days but they don't last long. Like a little kid, pouting in the corner and your parents not noticing gets boring after a while. It's much more fun to be mischievous and full of life and laughter. ;D You Tink keep on feeling good, we have a coffee waiting for us at what ever coffee shop in Dream Land this summer.
Cindy
I believe we create our own hells in what ever fashion one wishes to experience it and see it. The same can work the opposite way. The duality resides in our own minds. The universe is in perfect balance one state of energy and mass balances the other.
A star dies in a supernova the dust clouds created by the supernova are called Nebula gases and dust, the very elements that new stars are shaped in or born from. Some stars will implode and become massive black holes. Many of these black hole are found at the center of Galaxies which holds the galaxy together keeping it from straying off into empty space. This is why you will see a galaxy with a very bright center in the middle. That bright center is the even horizon filled with super heated mass and energy under extreme pressure from the black holes extreme gravitational pull. This is why you see galaxies in a spiral or circular form.
The attraction of Massive black holes and repulsion of dark mater is what keeps the universe from flying apart to quickly. Well so much for my quick lesson in quantum and the unified theory of all physics.
But you are quite right about the dualities being stretched to the limits of absurdity and grand confusion by those whose only desire is, "what's in it for me?" The would be tin gods that wish to be king poopy of poopy hill.
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Cindy
Are you alive or do you just exist?
I don't know of any answer to this except that if I wanted to live, and not just exist from day to day, but to **live.** To be me, no more deceiving myself and playing some poopy-assed game, but to be **truly happy** with me, and live as me to be part of others of the **same gender/sex, cisgendered females.** Because that is where I belonged, that is where I always belonged.
I never considered myself to be the male sex, although I had to play the poopy-assed role of male because my physical body pretty well dictated that this was what I was supposed to be. That was what I was raised and conditioned to think what I was supposed to be, but it **never felt right.** All that misery because of that cursed thing between my legs. Once I made up my mind that I wanted to be me, **the real me,** not a herd of elephants nor the Titanic full of family and friends could have stopped me from crossing that line, and once I did it felt right.
That fence stuff I believe will only add to your misery and depression and anxiety will only grow worse. In the end if you wish to not just survive, like a chair, or some other piece of furniture , or some beat up animal whimpering in the corner **but to truly live,** you will have to get off the fence and walk proud and straight in the direction your instincts desire for you to go. How you choose to do this is the decision only you can make.
When I made my decision it was on a Friday and I went into see my administrator at my work and told her my plans. Saturday I put all my male clothes in a couple of garbage bags and went to Salvation Army and exchanged them for one bag full of women's clothes.
Monday I went into work dressed in the appropriate clothing. "Goodness gracious, pass????" "Hell no!!!!" This was about a month and a half before I even started HRT. I stuck it out, I did my job, probably more effectively than I did before, and I had more friends than I ever had before. The mental health recipients I worked with trusted me even more than they did before. Well the women did, but the guys came around after while as well.
That's my story, in a little town of 16000
My sister and the rest of my family, except my two daughters, had all disowned me, like I didn't exist anymore, well to tell the truth if that's the way they want to be then be it, ""f..ck them!!!" "I am doing this for me, it's my survival, it's my life, and I am not about to crawl in a corner to die for anyone else." "They claim they love you? Then demand they prove it." I want to live, you have two choices, like it or lump it.
Cindy
Quote from: Wendy on December 27, 2008, 02:09:55 PM
"Then how can you make a statement about what you do not know?"
Are there stars in the sky that we can not touch or see? Each time we make a stronger telescope we find more "stuff" in the universe.
Does a black hole really exist?
Does time stand still if we approach the speed of light?
Many things we can not see or touch but we speculate they exist.
As humans increase there understanding of the universe they realize there is much more to learn.
Hopefully the LHC will provide some answers when it's back up and running!
just existing.
Can you prove that? Well according to the theory of everything reality is made of, as Einstein put it, infinite potentialities within the ether of creation. Matter and energy cannot be made nor destroyed, but energy can change forms. so does that dead body.
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on December 29, 2008, 12:21:21 AM
Can you prove that? Well according to the theory of everything reality is made of, as Einstein put it, infinite potentialities within the ether of creation. Matter and energy cannot be made nor destroyed, but energy can change forms. so does that dead body.
Cindy
That's all subject to the current physical laws of our universe. There wasn't always Space, or more importantly Time - or Matter for that...matter (pun intended).
There is no guarantee that the current 'laws' of physics will remain constant.
Quite right, well at least I haven't modified my quantum level puddle jumper sufficiently enough yet to travel to the time, or should that be, the no time before the big bang. ;D
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on December 29, 2008, 02:15:57 AM
Quite right, well at least I haven't modified my quantum level puddle jumper sufficiently enough yet to travel to the time, or should that be, the no time before the big bang. ;D
Cindy
That would be awesome to observe; though I wonder if observation is even possible?
Cost you a quarter for admission. You even get to thread the needle and come out the other side in a blaze of glory. ;D
Cindy
Hi
Cindy bc love to hear your stories, probably already posted but I'm a newbie. Still haven't had enough requests to how I was outed in Aus.
The question was I think are you alive, or do you just exist?
At the higher mind level of humans compared to ? it has to take in joy of life. That in itself has a problem, If a bacteria is living to reproduce is it happy? If a male lives to have sex is it happy? If a women lives to love is she happy? Life , living and existence are bound together. In other threads I've read the lonliness that people have, do they exist? Surely. Are they living, questionable.
Can they live? TOTALLY, that's what this site is for. This site offers hope that life is there that existance is not enough.
Choose life. It's hard at first. I came out to everyone when I was 55, On 1/1/2009 I'm 56.
I've picked life and it's rockin'
LoL
Cindy James
Quote from: Robyn on December 27, 2008, 04:56:49 PM
Very much alive. Closing in on 72. Mourning the loss of investment dollars, Still working and being appreciated for it. Upgrading the condo. Will get the mainland house ready to sell next spring/summer. Signed up for another cruise and will soon sign up for Gender Odyssey 2009 with my husband.
Life is good and worth living. At the end, come screeching in on your 120 year old back, all bruised and bleeding, shouting, "Whoa. What a ride."
Robyn
I love it! You have one of the best attitudes, Robyn!
I would say that I am alive.
True, I have had some significant financial difficulties these past few months, but the courts have resolved those. No, not in my favor, but at least the playing field is no longer a moving target - for now.
I believe I awoke 31 October 2003 - the Day of First Acceptance. That is when the true seed of this life first germinated.
Since then, my life and postings here have described the growing pains that come with learning to live and not just exist. April 2006 is when the shoots of this wild flower first saw the light of day. That was when I realized that I had to transition. Indeed, it became a
sine qua non - and I was ready to pay the cost.
22 August this year is when this blossom opened to reveal her colors to the world. I have felt the warmth of the sun and stood in awe at the stars of night. Everything is new once again. New revelations have come since this new Day of Birth.
I have found myself stronger than what I thought I would be.
I have found myself more content than what I thought I would be.
Lastly, I have found myself happier than what I thought I would be.
I am alive.
Chaunte
LOL. Some days I even wonder about the existing thing.
That said, I do get living days too. More and more often these days. Transition'll do that. ^_^
Mina.
Quote from: Kiera on December 28, 2008, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: soldierjane on December 27, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Well, as Descartes proved, if there's only one thing that I can know is that I exist.
"I think, therefore I am" is a postulate, a necessary (taken for granted) given but not a "proof" in and by itself, on which one attempts to base every other observable thing. As far as "existence" is concerned all events and things are relative and based solely upon who the observer is . . . and where.
That wasn't what I meant. The fact that the observer thinks is fact enough (for the observer) that he/she/it
exists. Even if my whole life is the feverished dream of a dying deity, the fact that I'm asking myself these questions proves conclusively that whatever I am, I
exist. q.e.d :)
Quote from: Katia on December 27, 2008, 01:23:30 PM
are you alive or do you just exist? ;)
Both, and at the same time too. Amazing stuff, stardust. We're just the current form of our own stuff. We've existed a few billion years before and we'll exist long after we stop being alive.
Hi CindyJames, I believe I gave my opinion on the question which is the title t this thread on the first page fifth from the bottom.
I found that there was life after all the pissing and moaning about life being so rough, then began to do something about my life. Like for instant doing something productive with it, instead of hiding in some dark hole somewhere drinking myself to death.
So taking my chances with coming out as who I am was a whole lot less scary then that hole I was in before. A lot more exciting and enlightening then my previous life. You got to do what you got to do to turn your own crank because there ain't no one else going to turn it for you. ;D I do pray that I have at least touched on what you are looking for sweets. Darn good thread though.
Cindy
As for why some of those who are here who are pissing and moaning why they are not happy with their lives after transition? Well I believe that a lot of them never really planed or thought out ahead of time what they were going to do once they got there. Some are not prepared to not only live as women, but be as women, to think like women, feel like women, act like women, follow the roll of women 100% of the time.
And also unfortunately it is not anticipated that there was still a lot more growing up to do as women after the surgery. You don't graduate after surgery, there is still much more to learn. It is a never ending learning curve, even for GG's who have grown up, matured then aged into their own genetic gender or sexual identity, which they have lived as all their lives.
We on the other hand have only just begun at (insert age). I believe that there should not only just be gender therapists whom only deal with the psychological, which is fine, but I have often wondered if there shouldn't also be some type of refinement or training school that could teach young ladies how to be young ladies available for trans folks as well. I believe there is such a place in California.
If there aren't such refinement schools there should be time spent in your own home in training yourself, I did. Preparation is about 80% of a successful transitioning to the prepared to live and fully function as a female after transitioning
Then there are a good many M-F still living with a spouse, where transitioning is literally tearing both parties apart inside out. This is an unfortunate circumstance, because I truly sympathise for both parties.
The SO as far as she knew signed the marriage contract believing she was marrying a man. Then the man discovers he is not a man but is a woman inside and wishes and desires to express her inner most feelings to the SO. See the shock and conflict on both sides here? The TS who still loves her wife and is unwilling to let go and the wife will sacrifice her desires and repress them but that will not last long.
The SO on the other hand hopes and prays it's just a passing thing that will go away with time. So then you have this tug of war, Our TS friend fighting to chose between the desire to be the woman who resides within or her, and her SO. So the tug of war continues until good old GID steps in and the rope breaks and our TS friend either decides to take free flying lessons off a cliff, or eventually the struggle becoming intolerable gives into what has been driving her relentlessly for a good many years .
Work, Oh yes that wonderful but illusive word. **Gainful employment.** In some cases TS folks end up working the streets because it is next to impossible to obtain gainful employment after starting full time transitioning. Again this can possibly be worked out with good good head start at planing your work career before beginning transition.
There are many other reasons for the pissing and moaning you hear in these rooms which among them I could almost swear that some are only here to stire the poo poo pot for the others and then the wanna bee's and some who I suspect are just cisgendered people come here to have sport with us. Not pointing any fingers at anyone in particular and I pray that I am wrong. I will not sit back and wear a judges robes and start judging folks, not my job. There are enough of them doing that to themselves already.
Anyway, Even with all the odds stacked against us it is still possible to find happiness in living, thriving, and not just existing.
Cindy