QuoteTrickster
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In mythology, and in the study of folklore and religion, a trickster is a god, goddess, spirit, man, woman, or anthropomorphic animal who plays tricks or otherwise disobeys normal rules and norms of behavior.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster)
Quote"Many native traditions held clowns and tricksters as essential to any contact with the sacred. People could not pray until they had laughed, because laughter opens and frees from rigid preconception. Humans had to have tricksters within the most sacred ceremonies for fear that they forget the sacred comes through upset, reversal, surprise. The trickster in most native traditions is essential to creation, to birth".
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QuoteFrequently the Trickster figure exhibits gender and form variability, changing gender roles and engaging in same-sex practices. Such figures appear in Native American and First Nations mythologies, where they are said to have a two-spirit nature. Loki, the Norse trickster, also exhibits gender variability, in one case even becoming pregnant; interestingly, he shares the ability to change genders with Odin, the chief Norse deity who also possesses many characteristics of the Trickster. In the case of Loki's pregnancy, he was forced by the Gods to stop a giant from erecting a wall for them before 7 days passed; he solved the problem by transforming into a mare and drawing the giant's magical horse away from its work. He returned some time later with a child he had given birth to--the eight-legged horse Sleipnir, who served as Odin's steed.
This is what separates us from the binaries, babies. ;)
That's really, really cool. ;D
Mina.
we're around to be tricksy?
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 01, 2009, 11:03:22 AM
we're around to be tricksy?
Yes, but never false, my preciousssss ... ;D
The Fool is the most powerful card in the tarot deck. It is representative of the Jester or Trickster, the only person in royal court who could make fun of everybody, the king included, with impunity. In that si had a remarkable position from which to point out falsehoods, ignorance and stupidity where nobody else would dare.
So I don't know if that is what you're here to be, but if it is, it's bloody awesome.
Mina.
I like it! We're tricky!
Very Interesting.
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The Fool is the most powerful card in the tarot deck. It is representative of the Jester or Trickster, the only person in royal court who could make fun of everybody, the king included, with impunity. In that si had a remarkable position from which to point out falsehoods, ignorance and stupidity where nobody else would dare.
A series of fictional book that I've read about Native Americans, the author use a character called a contrary. The contrary is very similar to the fool. But the describe the contrary as seeing the world differently from everyone else. I've kinda identified with that definition.
In real life people often refer to me as a fool. :) It doesn't bother me.
Hi Jemma,
Is that book 'Little Big Man' by Thomas Berger?
Quote from: Rebis on January 01, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
Hi Jemma,
Is that book 'Little Big Man' by Thomas Berger?
No its- People of the Lakes by Kathleen O'Neal Gear and W. Michael Gear
Quote from: Jemma on January 01, 2009, 02:43:41 PMThe contrary is very similar to the fool. But the describe the contrary as seeing the world differently from everyone else. I've kinda identified with that definition.
That's one of the key attributes of the Fool. The Fool is an innocent in the same way that children and mad people are, but with the caveat that si does not lose other faculties like intelligence or wisdom. In fact, the Fool is one of the wisest archetypes. A VERY interesting book on the Fool and its attributes is "The Zelator". It's by David Ovason and is a biography about the life of Mark Hedsel, an occultist who lived around the end of the 19th century and through the world wars, and was a contemporary of Austin Osmond Spare. He followed a very rare and unique tradition called The Way of the Fool. It makes for absolutely fascinating reading.
Mina.
Somebody better drill a hole in Mina's head. There's too much information in there. ;) Gotta let some out.
That's OK, Rebis, we've got her hanging out with us, that level of stupidity has got to be catching at some point. Look what's its done to Shades O'Gray already.
Excellent. All According to plan. :)
Well, you know, since Pinky left to go sing in Vegas, I'm in the market for new loyal sidekicks in my attempts to take over the world. THAT's why I hang around here. ;)
Mina.
We only do nefarious sidekicks here. Its that Coyote deal after all.
from Wikipedia about Native American Two-Spirit people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit)
QuoteThese individuals are often viewed as having two spirits occupying one body. Their dress is usually a mixture of traditionally male and traditionally female articles. They have distinct gender and social roles in their tribes.
Two-spirited individuals perform specific social functions in their communities. In some tribes male-bodied two-spirits held active roles such as:
* healers or medicine persons
* gravediggers, undertakers, handling and burying of the deceased
* conduct mourning and sexual rites
* conveyers of oral traditions and songs
* nurses during war expeditions
* foretold the future
* conferred lucky names on children or adults
* wove, made pottery, made beadwork and quillwork
* arranged marriages
* made feather regalia for dances
* special skills in games of chance
* led scalp-dances
* fulfilled special functions in connection with the setting up of the central post for the Sun Dance
In some tribes female-bodied two-spirits typically took on roles such as:
* chief, council
* trader
* hunter, trapper, fisher
* warrior, raider
* guides
* peace missions
* vision quests, prophets
* medicine persons
The more we know...
:)
Knowledge is power. One day it will be all mine and I'll steal the world from Mina.
Quote from: Rebis on January 02, 2009, 01:57:59 PM
Knowledge is power. One day it will be all mine and I'll steal the world from Mina.
While the two of you are battling to the bitter end, I'll sneak in the kitchen door and steal the throne :laugh:
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on January 02, 2009, 02:23:09 PMWhile the two of you are battling to the bitter end, I'll sneak in the kitchen door and steal the throne :laugh:
Hope you brought an army. My loyal army of minions will be guarding said throne. :P
Mina.
and my minions will be deciding which blouses to wear.
My minions will be figuring out which skirt to wear with the blouse... I'll choose colors that clash completely, the loyal minions will be blinded by the sight, and I'll charge in and seize the throne ;D
Z
My minions study nuclear engineering. And other sorted skills.
Tekla's minions have no useful skills. :laugh:
no, but they do have some rather nasty tricks.
:icon_frown: I want minions. *kicks pebble*
"Teaching a dog to sit is a trick. I've been sitting my whole life. A dog has never looked at me as though I was tricky."
Kudos to anyone who knows who said it. ;)
All of this tricky talk makes me think of tricky dick nixon.
And my dog won't sit :embarrassed:
Quote from: riven_one on January 03, 2009, 12:40:47 AM
And my dog won't sit :embarrassed:
And your bird won't sing (Lennon-McCartney) :D
Z
I saw The Dark Knight a couple days ago. Being a trickster is not always a good thing.
And its often a very, very bad thing for those around them.
Perhaps the power of the trickster is in the unease they create? They can't be the most comfortable peple to be around.
The way I read it, the Trickster isn't necessarily messing with peoples heads. We (speaking for me) find ways to help people connect to their spirituality and ways to help people heal. I basically blocked out any negatives I might have read there.
The trickster can fool others into finding the tools necessary to transcend their general issues and such.
I wouldn't equate the Trickster with The Joker. The Joker is meant to reflect the utter blackness that an individual can be capable of and also serve as a unique adversary for the Batman.
Didn't you all read the parts about blessing food and war parties? Blessings. Not cursings.
yes, but I think there is likely to be a flip side.
I doubt you would be a cut your own smile kind of trickster - more like the Androgynous fool from Robyn Hobbs books - miniputlating the catalyst to create change.
Eitherway, a lot of people are not comfortable around a trickster, takes them out of their comfort zones.
i played feste the fool once in twelfth night, he sees everything in at least two ways if not more.
I think the value of the trickster is that si sees the world differently from how other people do, and so reacts differently. The trickster shares that view of the world with others purely by being, and that's why people are uncomfortable, because they don't like their comfortable certainties challenged.
But let's be honest, the trickster can be a force for both creation and destruction, which are really just two sides of the same coin called change. I do think that the Joker could be equated with an aspect of the trickster, it's just that his vision of the world and how he lives that vision is pure destruction - think about some of the more vicious and cruel things Loki did. At the end of the day the Joker's whole plan in the movie was to show that people are animals by making them tear each other apart. And I'm not so sure that he was proven wrong. Individuals proved him wrong, but as a whole he had point.
Either way, whether positive or negative, tricksters are agents of change, agents of chaos. Which is important, because societies that do not change stagnate into dead, uniform entropy and die.
Mina.
like france.
Quote from: Nicky on January 04, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
yes, but I think there is likely to be a flip side.
I doubt you would be a cut your own smile kind of trickster - more like the Androgynous fool from Robyn Hobbs books - miniputlating the catalyst to create change.
Eitherway, a lot of people are not comfortable around a trickster, takes them out of their comfort zones.
what if you replace the word 'trickster' with 'minister'?
Quote from: Rebis on January 05, 2009, 07:45:56 PM
Quote from: Nicky on January 04, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
yes, but I think there is likely to be a flip side.
I doubt you would be a cut your own smile kind of trickster - more like the Androgynous fool from Robyn Hobbs books - miniputlating the catalyst to create change.
Eitherway, a lot of people are not comfortable around a trickster, takes them out of their comfort zones.
what if you replace the word 'trickster' with 'minister'?
WOW. hehe. If I had been drinking something, it would now be all over my computer screen.
Is there a more uncomfortable statement than, "I'd like to talk to you about Jesus." *squirm*
Is there a more uncomfortable statement than, "I'd like to talk to you about Jesus." *squirm*
Sure, its the way my friend replied to that question once by saying - in his best 'exacerbated dad' voice - "Christ on a crutch, now what's he done?" Poor girl, I'm sure they had to send her back to the church for a few days to get over that episode.
I didn't mean 'minister' in a derogatory way. I meant 'one who tends to those in need'.
You can minister unto others and have a simple humanitarian cause.
The thing about tricksters being playful and sometimes causing pain to others should be thought of as causing pain to others while attempting to do the right thing. As a trickster, the pain I cause others is unintended. And that's where wisdom comes into the equation. The Trickster must gain the wisdom to keep from hurting others through blind action in response to a need. Sometimes the best intentions do not lead to the best results.
To me, causing others pain is always unintended. The laughter is meant to lighten people's spirits and remind them that sometimes it is safe to just let go of some of the feelings that become too serious.
I'm tired. I think I ruined my great revelation with stinky writing. :P
nah, i got the point, so can't have been that stinky. nice point too.
A trickster among tricksters. We make eachother think that much harder do we not? Feel the burn.
Quote from: Rebis on January 06, 2009, 04:00:17 PM
I didn't mean 'minister' in a derogatory way. I meant 'one who tends to those in need'.
My bad. :D I can't help myself though...I'm just not a fan of the ministers I know. I switched the words in this sentence:
Quote from: Nicky on January 04, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
Either way, a lot of people are not comfortable around a trickster, takes them out of their comfort zones.
...explains the miscommunication. >:-)
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The thing about tricksters being playful and sometimes causing pain to others should be thought of as causing pain to others while attempting to do the right thing. As a trickster, the pain I cause others is unintended. And that's where wisdom comes into the equation. The Trickster must gain the wisdom to keep from hurting others through blind action in response to a need. Sometimes the best intentions do not lead to the best results.
To me, causing others pain is always unintended. The laughter is meant to lighten people's spirits and remind them that sometimes it is safe to just let go of some of the feelings that become too serious.
I agree. I also think that sometimes you have to hurt someone to help them or to save your own sanity.
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I'm tired. I think I ruined my great revelation with stinky writing. :P
I've yet to see any stinky writing from you, my dear. :D I'll let you know if I do though.
I wish I could live with you. Then we could scream at each other for not writing more.
and then take our frustrations out on innocent beings.
then take our frustrations out on innocent beings
Sounds like a job description for a mall security guard.
i could do with screaming
Quote from: tekla on January 07, 2009, 12:51:27 PM
then take our frustrations out on innocent beings
Sounds like a job description for a mall security guard.
that one killed me.
as for you, Pica -
stop goofing off and bring me two finished chapters by friday!
Use the whip Rebis, USE THE WHIP!
whip, whip, whip, whip, whip
never miss an oportunity to use the whip.
He might like that, I'd get Cardinal Fang to fetch ... THE COMFY CHAIR.
So! You think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions. Well, we shall see.....
Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn!
Quote from: Jaimey on January 06, 2009, 08:55:03 PM
I've yet to see any writing from you, my dear. :D I'll let you know if I do though.
This is the way I first read this LOL..... :D
that would have been harsh
I deserve harsh until I have something to show the world.
Now get back to work, YOU! >:(
Quote from: Rebis on January 08, 2009, 10:50:37 AM
I deserve harsh until I have something to show the world.
Now get back to work, YOU! >:(
I'm sorry. Did you write something? :P
no. no. Just ramblin'
just the way we like it!
:-* *smooches* for Rebis. We tease because we love. :laugh:
and we love because we tease.
No, really? You folks think there might be some kind of connection between various trickster figures in myth and legend, and the crossing of boundaries, including gender boundaries? And that this might be a positive thing?
Well dip me in Tang and throw me to the Lokeans.
:P
(I tease cuz I love, too.)
Quote from: Lokaeign on January 10, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
Well dip me in Tang
Tang? They still make that stuff? Seems to be the lasting legacy of the apollo project LOL......
yes, they still perpetrate Tang, in all its horrible fluorescent tooth-melting glory. Without wishing to ram TEH RELIJINZ down anyone's throat: there is a sort of consensus amongst Loki-worshippers that Himself likes orange Tang as a libation--that, and anything else where "purple" and "blue" are flavours.
It's a thing.
Quote from: Lokaeign on January 10, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
yes, they still perpetrate Tang, in all its horrible fluorescent tooth-melting glory. Without wishing to ram TEH RELIJINZ down anyone's throat: there is a sort of consensus amongst Loki-worshippers that Himself likes orange Tang as a libation--that, and anything else where "purple" and "blue" are flavours.
It's a thing.
wow, loki has no taste. blue flavoured things are foul.
I'm hard pressed to find any blue food that's any good, except for blueberries. But there is always one exception to any rule.
except the three life rules of nelson algren.
"Never play cards with a man called Doc. Never eat at a place called Mom's. Never sleep with a woman whose troubles are worse than your own."
The third one doesn't leave much room for romance.
this has been my problem, i seem to only know certifiable women.
For once in my life, 'no comment'.
Quote from: tekla on January 11, 2009, 03:35:51 AM
For once in my life, 'no comment'.
Mark the date everyone, 1/11/09 :laugh:
Hmmmm, 1+11+09=21... this has to mean something for those into numerology, kabbalah, card games, etc.
Z
you weirdos.
it goes
Day/Month/Year - shortest to longest, what is all this month day stuff?
9/11 is the ninth of november.
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 11, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
you weirdos.
it goes
Day/Month/Year - shortest to longest, what is all this month day stuff?
9/11 is the ninth of november.
LOL, we do it month/day/year here. We also drive on the other side of the road ;)
Z
i know, your culture and films stomp over all others, i know all sorts of inconsequential details...
the other side of the road, fair enough. but the date thing is just weird
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 11, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
it goes
Day/Month/Year - shortest to longest, what is all this month day stuff?
9/11 is the ninth of november.
ah, a metric date! :D
Wait, this is england. Perhaps left hand thread, then......
Quote from: riven_one on January 11, 2009, 04:31:01 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 11, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
it goes
Day/Month/Year - shortest to longest, what is all this month day stuff?
9/11 is the ninth of november.
ah, a metric date! :D
Wait, this is england. Perhaps left hand thread, then......
I thought you all drank pints. Somehow I can't picture going into the pub and saying, "Mate, pour me a liter of stout please" ;)
Z
dang, yall be speaking profound truths.. I remember the first time I did shrooms, I came down thinking about how I was such the original fool, yeah.. original.. numero uno.. just something ridiculous about thinking it would be cool beans to just go to school and 'see what happens', i guess it turned out not so bad in the end, after I left went on a long walk trying to put all the peices back together because I thought the world was ending...illogical positive thinking, where would I be without ya?
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 11, 2009, 01:25:48 AM
wow, loki has no taste. blue flavoured things are foul.
Not so. Smurfs are delicious.
Indeed. 'Hooked on Marxists' worked for me! :laugh:
Quote from: Jaimey on January 17, 2009, 12:25:21 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 11, 2009, 01:25:48 AM
wow, loki has no taste. blue flavoured things are foul.
Not so. Smurfs are delicious.
wipe that smurf off your face
One word: Blueberries.
Very delish.
true
Quote from: Virginia Marie on January 17, 2009, 02:05:25 AM
Virginia wipes the sweat from her brow...Whew...I thought Tekla might be after our Smurfs for a minute
Hmmmm, Smurfs and blue berries....Yum!!!
MMM! Toss that in the oven! >:-)
Klingons eat live smurfs & blueberries. You puny dinner killing humans.
Hello!
I'm new in the board and this is my first message. I have actually read a lot of your posts, but I've had trouble finding something to add, until this one.
So,
re: Fool in the tarot
The fool is the first and the last arcana in the tarot, every journey goes to end right where it starts, so is the cycle of life.
The fool is "born" into his journey and has to pass lots of obstacles, growing and becoming better, etc. He does this until he's reached "the end", and returns to being a fool again, but now because he's different in a totally different way.
re: Blue flavored things
You know? There's a difference between blue-flavored and blue-colored.
I once ate a slice of bread, and it tasted blue, yet it was of color brown. Very weird.
re: Two-spirits
I think there's some cases of insanity where people think they're two "entities" inside them, which (as far as I can tell) are generally male and female.
I don't really believe in spirits, but it's a useful idea, I guess
So anyway, I'm two entities in a male body. I've never found "two-spirited" to be as comfortable as "androgyne" to think about me, so I prefeer the latter.
re: Minions
Stand alone complex is better than minionhood xP
uh oh. Another Z name.
Do you have a shorter version of ZaidaZadkiel or a nickname that's easier to write?
Welcome to AandroGgyne world. :)
Quote from: Rebis on January 31, 2009, 02:00:05 PM
uh oh. Another Z name.
Do you have a shorter version of ZaidaZadkiel or a nickname that's easier to write?
Welcome to AandroGgyne world. :)
Thank you :D
I like to be called Zaddy. It's like chris for christopher and christina, I find.
You could type "3", too, since it's a number. I haven't seen any number short-names, and I like the number 3 a lot. *shrug* whatever you feel like, it's ok.
Quote from: Virginia Marie on January 31, 2009, 02:35:43 PM
Hi Zaddy aka 3 and welcome to Susan's :)
I'm sure you'll make allot of friends here :)
thank you!
It may sound odd, but I feel like I've known most of you for ever, you guys think in a lot of ways like I do!
So, uhm. Is there a proper protocol for getting you to know who I am ?
Welcome to Susan's Zaddy, from the other Z letter person ;D
Z
Howdy, #3 :)
Welcome Zandy ;D
Welcome, Zaddy! The best way to get to know us and for us to get to know you is through posts! :D
Quote from: Jaimey on February 01, 2009, 05:34:31 PM
Welcome, Zaddy! The best way to get to know us and for us to get to know you is through posts! :D
Especially off topic posts :D
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on February 01, 2009, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on February 01, 2009, 05:34:31 PM
Welcome, Zaddy! The best way to get to know us and for us to get to know you is through posts! :D
Especially off topic posts :D
Z
I am trying to write an introduction post, but every time I try to just say something simple to explain what/who I am, I end up with a blog-sized post. And that doesn't seem very useful for a forum.
I always feel guilty when I make a thread go off-topic, but I see that here it's the custom ?
Maybe that's one of the definying characteristics of being a.g. ?
I also found specially interesting, browsing the other threads, that there are lots of INFPs around here, that's very strange for me. Made me think that either the INFP-ness is a product of the a.g.ness or the other way, I mean, INFP are said to be "feel like outsiders".
There are so many things to say !
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 01, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
I am trying to write an introduction post, but every time I try to just say something simple to explain what/who I am, I end up with a blog-sized post. And that doesn't seem very useful for a forum.
Blog sized posts are OK... I've been known to go on at some length myself :laugh: Looking forward to getting to know you better.
Z
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 01, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
I am trying to write an introduction post, but every time I try to just say something simple to explain what/who I am, I end up with a blog-sized post. And that doesn't seem very useful for a forum.
Hi,
Just say like "my name is Zaddy. I am here. You may all now bow to me."
and don't take NO for an answer
But Rebis, we're all bent over double bowing to you as it is, how much lower do we go master?
Go as low as possible without going lower than the dollar. Please.
Quote from: Rebis on February 01, 2009, 08:47:01 PM
Go as low as possible without going lower than the dollar. Please.
You can't get much lower than that...:P
You can't get much lower than that
Yeah you can, try South American money.
But I'm not in South America. :P
Quote from: Rebis on February 01, 2009, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 01, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
I am trying to write an introduction post, but every time I try to just say something simple to explain what/who I am, I end up with a blog-sized post. And that doesn't seem very useful for a forum.
Hi,
Just say like "my name is Zaddy. I am here. You may all now bow to me."
and don't take NO for an answer
Isn't that reserved for king nero's subjects (ie: us)? Don't make him jealous...... :D
maybe we can see Nero defend his throne. And make some cash off of selling tickets
I've been researching gender variance in myth and legend, and I came across this article that I think y'all might enjoy:
http://www.crystalinks.com/trickster.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/trickster.html)
Enjoy! :D
Mina
the trickster is neither "positive" nor "negative".
The trickster is neither "male" nor "female".
As I understand it, that's the whole point of that archetype! It's meant to *trick*. And to trick someone you have to make saidone believe a reality which isn't what thisone is used to.
re: The "joker".
In a way the "trickster" can be anything, but it's not because it "fits every role" but because "no/all roles" is it's role.
The main problem is distinguishing between NULL and *.
Are "All sets of gender" the same as "no sets of gender" ?
If they're different, we end up with:
male <-> female
and
Nullgender <-> pangender
This doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
However, gender as a "social construct" seems to fit that idea, but not so much as a "identity construct", since when one identifies with "neither male nor female" the "social rules for fe/male behaviour" are questioned and sometimes rejected.
I don't see how that depends on "non-gendered" or "all-gendered".
So there's a third gender ?
If that was so, we'd have
male <-v-> female
androgyne
In which a.g.ness would be merely a "third option".
...
I'm not entirely sure I know what I'm talking about.
PS: Do you guys enjoy breaking rules ?
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 07, 2009, 09:10:31 PM
If they're different, we end up with:
male <-> female
and
Nullgender <-> pangender
This doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Why not? That's exactly how I see it. All you have to do is look at gender in two dimensions rather than just one:
totally bigender (100/100)
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(100/0) total man ----- 50/50 ----- total woman (0/100)
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totally neutrois (0/0)
( witness my ubercool ascii-art skillzzz! ^_^ )
Of course, I don't think the end-points on this little diagram exist - there's no such thing as a perfectly male man or a perfectly female woman, neither is there a total bigender or total neutrois, but there are people that approach either extreme. You'd have another graph representing the physical where this last one represented the mental - i.e. gender identity. somebody totally bigendered would probably show dramatic shifts between male and female, masculine and feminine, while people tending towards the neutrois side of things would be less and less ... attached, for lack of a better word, to a sense of man and woman, till you get an andro who just doesn't find any resonance with either.
Of course, this is just my take on it, and I'm not even an androgyne, so I don't really have a right to comment.
Mina.
I say it doesn't make sense because I can't understand how one would feel "50 non-gendered" ?
I mean, I can imagine someone saying "I have no gender". But saying "I am 25% non-gendered and 75% pan-gendered" sounds weird.
... Ofc, just saying "I am androgyne gendered" sounds pretty weird, too.
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 08, 2009, 12:33:29 AM
I say it doesn't make sense because I can't understand how one would feel "50 non-gendered" ?
I mean, I can imagine someone saying "I have no gender". But saying "I am 25% non-gendered and 75% pan-gendered" sounds weird.
... Ofc, just saying "I am androgyne gendered" sounds pretty weird, too.
Hehe. I understand what you mean - I don't really understand it either, but then, I compare it to cis-gendered males not really being able to understand what I mean when I say I'm a girl. (I'm MtF) I don't see non-gender and pan-gender as in opposition though. Rather I see it as degrees of maleness and femaleness. neutrois has none of either, while pan-gender would have lots of both.
As I said though, just my understanding of it.
Mina.
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 08, 2009, 12:33:29 AM
saying "I am 25% non-gendered and 75% pan-gendered" sounds weird.
i've heard it said though.
witness my ubercool ascii-art skillzzz!
Oh mad props on the retro look.
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 07, 2009, 09:10:31 PM
PS: Do you guys enjoy breaking rules ?
Yes.
Post Merge: February 08, 2009, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 08, 2009, 06:06:44 AM
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 08, 2009, 12:33:29 AM
saying "I am 25% non-gendered and 75% pan-gendered" sounds weird.
i've heard it said though.
yeah, I think we dragged ourselves thru this one before. In that case, we used an almighty circle. But I understand and agree with the Mina Bird.
Rules shmules.
I have a mild obsession with mad hatters...weird.
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 08, 2009, 06:06:44 AM
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 08, 2009, 12:33:29 AM
saying "I am 25% non-gendered and 75% pan-gendered" sounds weird.
i've heard it said though.
today I'm
75% Fem
50% Man
I'm more Omni/pan then Null gendered
I'm never totaly male, fem, pan or null
I float in the middle & I'm always just me