I know I should understand this by now as long as I've been here but here goes.
Since your both male and female, does that mean I can expect from you what I would from a typical male?
I mean if you take a typical male with all his posturing and machismo and a typical female with all her femininity and put them together, you get an androgyne?
Cause that's basically how I am though my identity is male - I exhibit a lot of stereotypical male traits but some pretty femme ones as well.
I definitely think like a male but sometimes express it in femme ways.
So, is that how you experience it?
PS, Not asking if I'm androgyne. I'm 100% man. Just wondering if I'm understanding where you're coming from.
I'm just really trying to understand how this works.
I have a horrible confession to make. With some of you with whom I talk a lot, I often find myself asking the question 'is sie coming at this from a man's perspective or a woman's'?
Hence, this question.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
Since your both male and female, does that mean I can expect from you what I would from a typical male?
I mean if you take a typical male with all his posturing and machismo and a typical female with all her femininity and put them together, you get an androgyne?
Cause that's basically how I am though my identity is male - I exhibit a lot of stereotypical male traits but some pretty femme ones as well.
I definitely think like a male but sometimes express it in femme ways.
So, is that how you experience it?
I consider myself neither male or female, as opposed to being a mix of the two, so I don't experience it this way. Throughout my life, I've often been considered "one of the girls", even without disclosing my status. Likewise, I often have no clue as to how to relate to men. I especially don't relate well to people who are stereotypical of either binary gender.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
I have a horrible confession to make. With some of you with whom I talk a lot, I often find myself asking the question 'is sie coming at this from a man's perspective or a woman's'?
Hence, this question.
My perspective is not gendered, it's simply Z's queer take on things. If one sees woman or man in there, I suppose I'm susceptible to societal mores as much as anyone.
Z
I'm with Z on this one. I'm not male or female. I'm just me. I don't relate to women or men very well, although, like Z (but opposite), I've always been one of the guys, without ever saying anything about my identity (even before I knew my identity).
*hugs for Nero* I feel like it's been a while! :laugh:
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
I mean if you take a typical male with all his posturing and machismo and a typical female with all her femininity and put them together, you get an androgyne?
That's me in a nutshell. I like to exercise all macho, but in a way that is very gracefull and dextrous. I like to sit cross-legged like a girl, but with a devil may care attitude like a guy.
Most of my behaviors are equally masculine and feminine simultaneously. For this reason, people rarely notice anything unusual about me (except for kids, kids always ask questions). Most people only see what they want to see. The people who want to see me as a guy see how strong I am. The people who want to see as sensitive, call me sweet. The people who want to see all sides, comment on how balanced I am. And the people who don't give a damn, they merely don't give a damn.
It's interesting sometimes how some people treat me like a guy, and other people do not.
Hail, Nero.
Like my sig file says, I feel I'm not one or the other, but something in between. That said, there are days when I feel like I might be more one than the other. But, that's just me.
I see far too many examples in everyday life of people who don't follow those stereotypes to think along those lines. Other than some obvious clothing deals, I think the molds are being broken far more than they are being supported anymore.
I guess my answer would be kind of like Z's.
I guess I am capable of 'male posturing' and probably do on occasion, but I don't really feel manly when I do it (more likely I just feel stupid and awkward). Kind of like Z said, I have Nicky traits which I express in a Nick kind of way. I kind of see it just as me expressing part of my androgyne self which I feel is distinctly feminine inside contrasting to my male sex. I think it is easy to perceive most things not male as kind of feminine and vis versa. Really I think you have to remove male and female from the picture.
It has never been about traits for me, more about not feeling any barriers to what I am and am not allowed to do as a 'man' or a 'woman'. Those rules don't apply, though unfortunately I have internalised some of them. I come from that perspective. I come at things from the perspective of someone outside male and female gender. I think that is the key. Sometimes my perspective could be seen as being very masculine or feminine but I don't start in those places.
Not sure if this all makes sense. Still trying to sort through it in my own head. I'm trying decide whether I actually have a man's or woman's perspective. I think I can sometimes look at things from those angles, but they are not my own.
Quote from: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 01:44:10 PM
Not sure if this all makes sense. Still trying to sort through it in my own head. I'm trying decide whether I actually have a man's or woman's perspective. I think I can sometimes look at things from those angles, but they are not my own.
This rings true for me, too.
I've got Dave's perspective, because that's my name. Is Dave's perspective male, female, or both? I don't know if I can really answer that yet.
I'm like Z and the rest, it doesn't really feel like both, that's just a shorthand way of explaining, it is more blancmangey than that.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
PS, Not asking if I'm androgyne. I'm 100% man.
I could not make that claim from either perspective.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
'is sie coming at this from a man's perspective or a woman's'?
an androgyne's.
Tekla is right, most people bend gender rules anyway, it's just they still have that core knowledge of being male or female. Just don't have that core knowledge is all.
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 06, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
I'm like Z and the rest, it doesn't really feel like both, that's just a shorthand way of explaining, it is more blancmangey than that.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
PS, Not asking if I'm androgyne. I'm 100% man.
I could not make that claim from either perspective.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
'is sie coming at this from a man's perspective or a woman's'?
an androgyne's.
Tekla is right, most people bend gender rules anyway, it's just they still have that core knowledge of being male or female. Just don't have that core knowledge is all.
so you're not a man at all? you're not half man?
I don't consider myself a man at all, not even a little bit.
but not a woman either...
I mean, what is man?
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 06, 2009, 02:25:45 PM
but not a woman either...
I mean, what is man?
well... this is going to come off sexist and i really don't mean it too, but to me whether one is a man or not is the real measure.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 02:32:06 PM
well... this is going to come off sexist and i really don't mean it too, but to me whether one is a man or not is the real measure.
you would, you're a man
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 02:32:06 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 06, 2009, 02:25:45 PM
but not a woman either...
I mean, what is man?
well... this is going to come off sexist and i really don't mean it too, but to me whether one is a man or not is the real measure.
Maybe this is true if you are a man?
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 06, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 02:32:06 PM
well... this is going to come off sexist and i really don't mean it too, but to me whether one is a man or not is the real measure.
you would, you're a man
you betcha.
but to me whether one is a man or not is the real measure.
defined how, merely physical stuff, or like that whole 'being a man' deal, protecting, earning, providing and all that? Or just what do you mean?
Quote from: tekla on January 06, 2009, 02:40:20 PM
but to me whether one is a man or not is the real measure.
defined how, merely physical stuff, or like that whole 'being a man' deal, protecting, earning, providing and all that? Or just what do you mean?
the latter. i don't have the physical stuff.
now i have the physical stuff, and i protect those i love and care for, i provide enough for myself but I still don't see myself as a man. I spose it's because I don't set much importance in those things as much as I do in connections and creations and imagining stuff, as long as i provide enough to survive.
guess the point i'm trying to very clumsily get to is does an androgyne alternate between the male and female perspective?
I do more manly stuff than most men (hunting, familying, concreting, building...), but it does not count if you wear lipgloss. ;)
My perspective does not alternate. It is my own 'androgyne' perpective.
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 06, 2009, 02:47:13 PM
now i have the physical stuff, and i protect those i love and care for, i provide enough for myself but I still don't see myself as a man. I spose it's because I don't set much importance in those things as much as I do in connections and creations and imagining stuff, as long as i provide enough to survive.
that's not what i meant either. i'm not a man because i provided the husband role. guess you just know when you're a man and when you're not.
In fact, its something that most people never think about or question.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 02:48:35 PM
guess the point i'm trying to very clumsily get to is does an androgyne alternate between the male and female perspective?
At a guess, they are able to understand/appreciate things from both perspectives, though they don't subscribe to either of them.
Like a Soccer player can appreciate both American Football and Rugby, but plays neither.
I think what Pica and others are saying is that for them, it's not a male or female perspective, but a human perspective.
For me, male is just an identity, not what I do, how I dress, how I speak, or what I say. It's my perception of myself (and luckily, now, others' perception of me). I would still be male if I dressed in Paris Hilton CFM boots, a miniskirt, and wore makeup.
Dennis
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
guess you just know when you're a man and when you're not.
i guess so to. Yeah, it's more an integrated holistic thing androgyne-ness. Or at least the way I have it, bi-genders go the opposite way. There's not much of 'this is man' and 'this is woman'. I think the main reason it sounds like it, and we talk like it, is because it's easier to talk about in that way.
Quote from: Dennis on January 06, 2009, 03:03:29 PM
I would still be male if I dressed in Paris Hilton CFM boots, a miniskirt, and wore makeup.
That's Hot!
We want photos Dennis.
I'm the same as many have said here--neither male nor female.
That said, I've always failed to exhibit "typical" female behaviors, while exhibiting a lot of "typical" male behaviors. If I could see myself on a spectrum, I'd consider myself "neutral-male" meaning I lean just slightly to the male side. Obviously I don't lean far enough to consider myself male, although I feel I fit in a lot better with males than with females in most situations.
Quote from: Zeo on January 06, 2009, 03:48:40 PM
I'm the same as many have said here--neither male nor female.
That said, I've always failed to exhibit "typical" female behaviors, while exhibiting a lot of "typical" male behaviors. If I could see myself on a spectrum, I'd consider myself "neutral-male" meaning I lean just slightly to the male side. Obviously I don't lean far enough to consider myself male, although I feel I fit in a lot better with males than with females in most situations.
Are you male or female bodied? I ask cause the female bodied androgynes tend towards the masculine and vice versa.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: Zeo on January 06, 2009, 03:48:40 PM
I'm the same as many have said here--neither male nor female.
That said, I've always failed to exhibit "typical" female behaviors, while exhibiting a lot of "typical" male behaviors. If I could see myself on a spectrum, I'd consider myself "neutral-male" meaning I lean just slightly to the male side. Obviously I don't lean far enough to consider myself male, although I feel I fit in a lot better with males than with females in most situations.
Are you male or female bodied? I ask cause the female bodied androgynes tend towards the masculine and vice versa.
Female bodied.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
Are you male or female bodied? I ask cause the female bodied androgynes tend towards the masculine and vice versa.
I think this is a good observation Nero. I guess if a female bodies andro leant towards the fem then they would probably consider themselves women? It seems to be the contrast that makes us ping. Or maybe in rejecting the position our birth sex delegates us we naturaly gravitate towards the 'other'. Dunno, any thoughts?
Seems to me that those in the complete neutral identify as the neutral and not androgyne
Quote from: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
Are you male or female bodied? I ask cause the female bodied androgynes tend towards the masculine and vice versa.
I think this is a good observation Nero. I guess if a female bodies andro leant towards the fem then they would probably consider themselves women? It seems to be the contrast that makes us ping. Or maybe in rejecting the position our birth sex delegates us we naturaly gravitate towards the 'other'. Dunno, any thoughts?
My guess is that as I came to the understanding of my androgyne-ness somewhat late, I lean towards the femminine because I've already experienced the male thing.
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 06, 2009, 04:22:29 PM
My guess is that as I came to the understanding of my androgyne-ness somewhat late, I lean towards the femminine because I've already experienced the male thing.
Could be. Maybe I am the same but I do feel quite a strong abhorance of my perceived maleness.
Interesting photo Nero! Just thought you could sneak that in didn't you.
Quote from: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
Are you male or female bodied? I ask cause the female bodied androgynes tend towards the masculine and vice versa.
I think this is a good observation Nero. I guess if a female bodies andro leant towards the fem then they would probably consider themselves women? It seems to be the contrast that makes us ping. Or maybe in rejecting the position our birth sex delegates us we naturaly gravitate towards the 'other'. Dunno, any thoughts?
I'd really agree with that.
In all honesty, I just see me as me. No gender, no nothing. But growing up it was quite clear that I wasn't the proper female I was expected to be. I didn't think there was anything wrong with being disinterested in my appearance and lacking a feminine sense of social grace and relations. It was the people around me who had a problem with this. As a result I started gravitating towards what is thought of as "male" since in many ways that fits me better.
There was a time when I thought I was a man in a woman's body, and that if I could just have a male body I'd be free to be me without anyone imposing expectations on me that I couldn't meet. However, I decided that I'm not
really male either, and the means to make myself male would be way more complicated than I desire. I tolerate my female parts, and so I don't see a need to change them. They just don't represent who I am. If it were possible to have a genderless body, I'd choose that.
But I definitely agree that it's the gender identity conflict (I have a female body, therefore people expect me to have a female gender) that makes us aware. This was certainly the case with me.
Quote from: tekla on January 06, 2009, 03:08:37 PM
We want photos Dennis.
Do I have to shave my legs first?
Dennis
Nah, you can be one of those 'guys in a dress' that everyone like to complain about that way.
Quote from: Zeo on January 06, 2009, 04:29:03 PM
There was a time when I thought I was a man in a woman's body, and that if I could just have a male body I'd be free to be me without anyone imposing expectations on me that I couldn't meet. However, I decided that I'm not really male either, and the means to make myself male would be way more complicated than I desire. I tolerate my female parts, and so I don't see a need to change them. They just don't represent who I am. If it were possible to have a genderless body, I'd choose that.
a lot of people here made that journey and feel those things.
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 06, 2009, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: Zeo on January 06, 2009, 04:29:03 PM
There was a time when I thought I was a man in a woman's body, and that if I could just have a male body I'd be free to be me without anyone imposing expectations on me that I couldn't meet. However, I decided that I'm not really male either, and the means to make myself male would be way more complicated than I desire. I tolerate my female parts, and so I don't see a need to change them. They just don't represent who I am. If it were possible to have a genderless body, I'd choose that.
a lot of people here made that journey and feel those things.
Ditto.
I'm male-bodied, but I don't feel completely at home in it. Yet, I think that undergoing SRS and taking on a female body would be just as limiting.
Quote from: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 06, 2009, 04:22:29 PM
My guess is that as I came to the understanding of my androgyne-ness somewhat late, I lean towards the femminine because I've already experienced the male thing.
Could be. Maybe I am the same but I do feel quite a strong abhorance of my perceived maleness.
Interesting photo Nero! Just thought you could sneak that in didn't you.
haha yeah. i was talking about having femme traits and playing with makeup has always been one of them. guess i'm finally truly comfortable here. ;)
I would love to see the current Nero, but it is rude of me to ask considering I don't show my face around here.
Quote from: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 04:54:19 PM
I would love to see the current Nero, but it is rude of me to ask considering I don't show my face around here.
you really don't want to see it. it's dope ravaged and sickly.
Most of me is not realy gendered male or female its either both or neither I'm not sometime man & sometimes Lady & I'm just me. I Hate being classed as Male because I'm not but I do look male I want to look "WTF" because thats how I feel
I was also going to say what a cutie you are in that photo! And no matter how you describe yourself, I'm sure I'd still think you're a cutie now. :-* I'm totally jealous of how big your eyes are, though...
Back to the question at hand:
Shaved legs or not, I want to see Dennis in a dress ;)
and
that as far as being a man or being a woman or a combination...I don't actually know what it is to be either of the binaries. :-\ Not a very comprehensive answer, but about the best I can do. Besides, why be limited by binaries? :D Part of being androgyne, for me anyway, is being free.
Quote from: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 04:54:19 PM
I would love to see the current Nero, but it is rude of me to ask considering I don't show my face around here.
I has seen it! :D
Your face that is, not Nero's.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 06, 2009, 02:47:13 PM
now i have the physical stuff, and i protect those i love and care for, i provide enough for myself but I still don't see myself as a man. I spose it's because I don't set much importance in those things as much as I do in connections and creations and imagining stuff, as long as i provide enough to survive.
that's not what i meant either. i'm not a man because i provided the husband role. guess you just know when you're a man and when you're not.
Right. Men (cis or trans) know for absolute sure they are men, women (cis or trans) know they are women, and androgynes know just as unequivocally that we aren't either one. You just know.
Quote from: Dennis on January 06, 2009, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: tekla on January 06, 2009, 03:08:37 PM
We want photos Dennis.
Do I have to shave my legs first?
Dennis
Only if you prefer to... Nu?? where are those pics already? We're waiting... ;)
Z
I'm just me. Sometimes my response to something would be categorized as typical male, and perhaps sometimes my response would be likened to a female response. Thought patterns follow, which makes me stick out in a way and I guess sends a vibe that makes it hard to fit in with the binaries. Additionally, I look at problems in a unique way. People say that i'm well balanced and well reasoned. I know exactly why :)
I've just realised that I am older than Nero! That gives me the right to call him boy, eh boy!
Quote from: Nicky on January 09, 2009, 04:48:13 AM
I've just realised that I am older than Nero! That gives me the right to call him boy, eh boy!
lol
Quote from: Nicky on January 09, 2009, 04:48:13 AM
I've just realised that I am older than Nero! That gives me the right to call him boy, eh boy!
Ah, but if you were born after 7 September 1969, you'd have to call this Androgyne "Master."
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 09, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
Quote from: Nicky on January 09, 2009, 04:48:13 AM
I've just realised that I am older than Nero! That gives me the right to call him boy, eh boy!
Ah, but if you were born after 7 September 1969, you'd have to call this Androgyne "Master."
in my best Igor Voice "Yessss Maaasster" :)
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 09, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
Ah, but if you were born after 7 September 1969, you'd have to call this Androgyne "Master."
Ahem, not to rain on your parade Shades, but I was born in 1956 :laugh:
Anyway, I'll let you keep being "Master", I can be called "Mistress Z" instead.
Z
They got us trumped eh boy?
(actually I was inspired by Nero to post my own pic, that's for you buddy)
Quote from: Nicky on January 10, 2009, 02:43:49 AM
They got us trumped eh boy?
(actually I was inspired by Nero to post my own pic, that's for you buddy)
aww. it's cute. cool expression. :)
Quote from: Nero on January 10, 2009, 02:49:55 AM
Quote from: Nicky on January 10, 2009, 02:43:49 AM
They got us trumped eh boy?
(actually I was inspired by Nero to post my own pic, that's for you buddy)
aww. it's cute. cool expression. :)
Definitely.
Thank you!
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 09, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
Ah, but if you were born after 7 September 1969, you'd have to call this Androgyne "Master."
Carefull with that. It won't be too long before the younger folks will be calling you "Grandmaster"
Quote from: Zythyra on January 09, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 09, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
Ah, but if you were born after 7 September 1969, you'd have to call this Androgyne "Master."
Ahem, not to rain on your parade Shades, but I was born in 1956 :laugh:
Anyway, I'll let you keep being "Master", I can be called "Mistress Z" instead.
Z
or, perhaps, "old fart" :D :o
Quote from: riven_one on January 10, 2009, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on January 09, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 09, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
Ah, but if you were born after 7 September 1969, you'd have to call this Androgyne "Master."
Ahem, not to rain on your parade Shades, but I was born in 1956 :laugh:
Anyway, I'll let you keep being "Master", I can be called "Mistress Z" instead.
Z
or, perhaps, "old fart" :D :o
I think I still have a few more years to go before reaching geezer status ;)
Z
Like my partner Wing Walker would say, I'm the resident wind bag, well I'm the resident old bat, now where is the nearest rafters? :D
Cindy
Quote from: Zythyra on January 10, 2009, 10:05:32 PM
Quote from: riven_one on January 10, 2009, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on January 09, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 09, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
Ah, but if you were born after 7 September 1969, you'd have to call this Androgyne "Master."
Ahem, not to rain on your parade Shades, but I was born in 1956 :laugh:
Anyway, I'll let you keep being "Master", I can be called "Mistress Z" instead.
Z
or, perhaps, "old fart" :D :o
I think I still have a few more years to go before reaching geezer status ;)
Z
Yeah, 1962 ringing in here :-\
1985, i iz a baby.
1978 and i'm still king of the forest no matter ya'lls vintage. :eusa_boohoo:
Quote from: Nero on January 11, 2009, 03:54:44 AM
1978 and i'm still king of the forest no matter ya'lls vintage. :eusa_boohoo:
I've often wondered who the current king of the forest was of late. :laugh:
I thought the forest abolished the monarchy some time ago.
Ya but the bush bunnies voted for a president.
Cindy
Wasn't there an uprising and mutiny?
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on January 11, 2009, 05:12:45 PM
Wasn't there an uprising and mutiny?
Z
Now that would be chaotic. Could you imagine all of us unicorns actually trying to unite under a common banner. It would be like trying to find the square root of Pi with Roman numerals.
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 02:48:35 PM
guess the point i'm trying to very clumsily get to is does an androgyne alternate between the male and female perspective?
Some do, most are always both male & Female at the same time or feel that they are neither male or female
sometimes I'm neither motly I'm both. if i'm realy upset I'll cry, Hug a pillow and hit the wall all in the same moment of time I'll sometimes puch the pillow while almost kissing it. my soft toys are not safe
IT seems to depend on my mood. Most of the time I'm a girl. But I can call up my boy side when the situation requires.
If I have to choose between being Paris Hilton and, say, Tom Cruse, I am definitely none-of-the-above. In Sleepless in Seattle, the divide is depicted as how one reacts to the earlier movie Affair to Remember. I am clearly on the F side by that measure. My wife teased me because I watched every romantic movie shown on the Hallmark channel last month.
On the other hand, she does a better job of "mothering" children. We both cook, but she is the one concerned with presentation. I shower; she bathes. She considers a decision by discussing it with her 6 closest friends; I wait for the answer to come to me in the shower, or while I sleep. She's the one who buys flowers at the grocery. She's the one who thrills at the Softness of clothing.
On the other hand, I was banned from another couple's house because I don't mix well with the Men. I gravitate to the kitchen, preferring talk about cooking and children, to that about business and sports. I hated organized boys' activities, and avoid any group that is men, only. I have always been closer to to female friends; we have more in common.
Physically, I have "fathered" four children. I'd rather be the one wooed, and enjoy, but rarely anticipate or miss sexual activity. Last night, a woman thanked me for "sharing" my wife with the group she's been attending lately. That made me distinctly uncomfortable; I don't own her, and, thus, can't share her.
Put me down as a universal misfit who loves life.
S
Simone Louise! It's been a while! Nice to see you again!
I agree with everyone when I say that Nicky is a cutie patootie. :)
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 11, 2009, 05:17:56 PM
Now that would be chaotic. Could you imagine all of us unicorns actually trying to unite under a common banner. It would be like trying to find the square root of Pi with Roman numerals.
All I can say is 'YUCK'. Think about that statement too long and you'll start bleeding from the ears...
Quote from: Jaimey on January 12, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
:)
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 11, 2009, 05:17:56 PM
Now that would be chaotic. Could you imagine all of us unicorns actually trying to unite under a common banner. It would be like trying to find the square root of Pi with Roman numerals.
All I can say is 'YUCK'. Think about that statement too long and you'll start bleeding from the ears...
I'm considered a high function level autistic. This Ideal kinda flips my switch. :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Virginia Marie on January 12, 2009, 07:32:20 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on January 12, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
:)
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 11, 2009, 05:17:56 PM
Now that would be chaotic. Could you imagine all of us unicorns actually trying to unite under a common banner. It would be like trying to find the square root of Pi with Roman numerals.
All I can say is 'YUCK'. Think about that statement too long and you'll start bleeding from the ears...
I'm considered a high function level autistic. This Ideal kinda flips my switch. :laugh: :laugh:
then I'll leave it to you...i want no part of it. :laugh:
Quote from: Jaimey on January 12, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
All I can say is 'YUCK'. Think about that statement too long and you'll start bleeding from the ears...
i couldn't even think about it to the extent of finding it painful. my mind just misted over it like a ghost or a bad memory.
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 04:49:11 AM
Quote from: Jaimey on January 12, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
All I can say is 'YUCK'. Think about that statement too long and you'll start bleeding from the ears...
i couldn't even think about it to the extent of finding it painful. my mind just misted over it like a ghost or a bad memory.
Roman numerals will haunt you forever :laugh: >:-) :laugh: IVMIIVMXWXYZLMNOP...........................................................
Quote from: Virginia Marie on January 13, 2009, 04:56:57 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 04:49:11 AM
Quote from: Jaimey on January 12, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
All I can say is 'YUCK'. Think about that statement too long and you'll start bleeding from the ears...
i couldn't even think about it to the extent of finding it painful. my mind just misted over it like a ghost or a bad memory.
Roman numerals will haunt you forever :laugh: >:-) :laugh: IVMIIVMXWXYZLMNOP
is that anything like ramen numerals? i know the ones i ate last night are haunting me.
a friend sent me a description of his love life today, couched as algebra. it was a long list of them and ended,
G2 >>>> G3 >>>> ME <<<< G4 – B2 = G2 :( + G3 :( + {[ME (wtf???)]} + G4 :(
^ ^
G2
my response, narrative or nuffink.
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 05:05:03 AM
a friend sent me a description of his love life today, couched as algebra. it was a long list of them and ended,
G2 >>>> G3 >>>> ME <<<< G4 – B2 = G2 :( + G3 :( + {[ME (wtf???)]} + G4 :(
^ ^
G2
my response, narrative or nuffink.
Hmmmm, an algebraic love life? maybe he should try geometry or logistics :laugh: :laugh:
i think he should have tried love. ::)
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 05:20:11 AM
i think he should have tried love. ::)
Yeah, that seems to work the best ;)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2Fromannumerals.gif&hash=caf9533bc172d023f5343952102b37f35312f110)
Cindy
caste system?
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 04:54:19 PM
I would love to see the current Nero, but it is rude of me to ask considering I don't show my face around here.
you really don't want to see it. it's dope ravaged and sickly.
I don't believe that. I'd like to see a [strong] pic of Nero.
You're one of the people I've come to trust. You seem to me to be a very strong spirit, with a willingness to help others. Your wisdom, which I've read so often in the posts, is both deep and contemplative. You are a strong, focused and usually desicive. Does that make you male? Maybe. You have expressed so much too so many of us, I feel you are indeed a godsend. I wish you well.
Quote from: Linda on January 13, 2009, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: Nero on January 06, 2009, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 04:54:19 PM
I would love to see the current Nero, but it is rude of me to ask considering I don't show my face around here.
you really don't want to see it. it's dope ravaged and sickly.
I don't believe that. I'd like to see a [strong] pic of Nero.
You're one of the people I've come to trust. You seem to me to be a very strong spirit, with a willingness to help others. Your wisdom, which I've read so often in the posts, is both deep and contemplative. You are a strong, focused and usually desicive. Does that make you male? Maybe. You have expressed so much too so many of us, I feel you are indeed a godsend. I wish you well.
aww shucks. thanks for kind words. :embarrassed:
ty & ty again
Now that I have shown my face, I guess it is not too rude to ask is it ;)
Quote from: Nicky on January 13, 2009, 09:07:56 PM
Now that I have shown my face, I guess it is not too rude to ask is it ;)
not rude, but not now. :laugh: ;)
Quote from: Nero on January 13, 2009, 04:59:52 AMQuote
i couldn't even think about it to the extent of finding it painful. my mind just misted over it like a ghost or a bad memory.
Roman numerals will haunt you forever :laugh: >:-) :laugh: IVMIIVMXWXYZLMNOP
is that anything like ramen numerals? i know the ones i ate last night are haunting me.
Nice. I like that. :laugh:
Actually, I think you should keep us guessing, Nero. :-* If we know what the king of the unicorn forest looks like, it'll be a lot easier for us to glomp you.
I too have been curious about what the true Nero looks like, but I wouldn't push it; all in good time.
On topic though, I sort of agree with some who say that they don't feel their perspectives are gendered, however there are rare times where I almost feel like mine are split in the middle.
When looking at life, its challenges and situations and the decisions that go along with them, if you think about what the stereotypical male or female would do in each one, I'd probably decide a little of both (when and if I decide :D) but I can almost always understand the gendered perspectives of each side.
I usually view my perspectives as adjectives like practical, pragmatic and impulsive, among other things. Depending on who you speak with, some will say that men are more practical and less fussy, less 'decorative' in their mannerisms, and the next person would say differently. Some will say men are more impulsive, but the other will say that women are more impulsive (only with shopping ??? ::)) but instead of saying something like "Were I male/female I would...-insert-" I just say what I would do or not do but I rarely ever handle my perspectives and personality with gender labels.
Sometimes I do wish I had the proper (male) body for a posture and swagger :D Then I would puff out my flat, moderately hairy chest and proceed to look silly and enjoy doing so. There are days when I feel more dysphoria than usual, and really wish for a different body, but I don't consider my perspective any different on these days than any other day.
You don't need a male body to swagger! It just takes practice and the proper attitude. ;D I definitely have a swagger when I want to.
I like you Jaimey. You're nice.
Quote from: Nicky on January 15, 2009, 08:38:22 PM
I like you Jaimey. You're nice.
Aw. :icon_redface: Thank you!
(yess, another vote for president in the bag ;))
Nicky, President of the Androgynes! Or would you be President of the Unicorn Forest?
Would that make Nero like the British royal family? There in name, but no real power?
Dunno, I should be president of something I rekon. Simply El Presedente should suffice.
Nero is more like "The Body Guard"
....and aaaiiiiiieeeeeeee
will alwaysssss luvvvvv uuuuuuuuuuuoooooououououuuuu
willll alwayssss luvvvv ewwwwwww AHHHH WILL ALWAYSSSS LOVEEE.....
Is that the wistful Dolly Parton version or the overdone, melodramatic Whitney Houston? :icon_headfones:
The whitney version with as much wailing and gnashing of teeth as can be mustered. :laugh:
in that case, cue the violins. :eusa_boohoo:
:icon_lalala: I'll be over here, pretending like I can't hear it...
You won't be saying that when Nero is carrying you out through the crowd booting anyone that gets in your way...
aannnnddd IIIIIIIEEEEEEIIIEIEIEIIEEIEEEEEEEEEIIIIIEEEEEEEE....
Quote from: Nicky on January 15, 2009, 09:13:33 PM
You won't be saying that when Nero is carrying you out through the crowd booting anyone that gets in your way...
aannnnddd IIIIIIIEEEEEEIIIEIEIEIIEEIEEEEEEEEEIIIIIEEEEEEEE....
If Nero can carry me, I'll sing to him!
:icon_weee: <--me pretending to be whitney
Quote from: Jaimey on January 15, 2009, 08:55:49 PM
Nicky, President of the Androgynes! Or would you be President of the Unicorn Forest?
Would that make Nero like the British royal family? There in name, but no real power?
Zythyra is still the Keening Quing!
Z