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Community Conversation => Non-binary talk => Topic started by: Kinkly on January 06, 2009, 10:26:36 PM

Poll
Question: How do you present yourself in public
Option 1: as your birth gender votes: 6
Option 2: as the oppisite of birth gender votes: 2
Option 3: I show both male & female physical charactorsticks votes: 4
Option 4: I show no clealy Male/Female traight votes: 2
Option 5: I wear androgynous clothling from other side but still look like birth gender votes: 5
Option 6: wear clothling from both sides votes: 3
Option 7: changes depending on how I feel from day to day votes: 4
Option 8: other votes: 2
Title: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Kinkly on January 06, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
I'm curious as to how you present yourselves to the outside world if you would like more options just ask I think i can add more I'd mostly like to know why you present a certian way and if you would rather present differently but can't
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Nicky on January 07, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
I'm not quite sure how to answer. I pretty much wear male clothing on the outside, though perhaps I am attracted to colors and things a lot of males arn't. I'm resistant to male formal wear.  But I do like accessories - lipstick, jewlery, long hair in not terribly masculine styles, hair clips, hair ties, nail polish, rings earings...I also wear female socks in pastel colors and female flats at work. You could say mixed, but maybe more accurate to say male smart casual in strong colors with female accessories.... :D. But mostly I am a jeans and tshirt kind of person.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: tekla on January 07, 2009, 01:35:19 PM
Mixed (or unisex, like a hoodie) here too.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Eva Marie on January 07, 2009, 02:06:13 PM
In the circle that run in on a daily basis it's mens wear - jeans, t shirts, dockers, etc.

I've tried some subtle things but my very observant daughter pointed them out so I stopped. So I sit on the sidelines for now.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Zeo on January 07, 2009, 03:59:37 PM
I wear mostly neutral (mens) clothing and neutral jewelery, although I do wear skirts. I figure, for once, the most comfortable clothing item lies on the female side, so since I'm biologically female I can take advantage of my ability to wear skirts freely. I do wear pants sometimes, but I've come to hate the feeling of anything restricting my legs.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Pica Pica on January 07, 2009, 04:22:40 PM
I wear t-shirts and jumpers and shirts in bright colours, mainly purple, green and blue..some were meant for females, some for males.

I wear male trousers, but i'm beginning to wonder if female ones might fit my body shape.
I also wear female socks, and I have two pairs of doc martin boots, one black with skull shoelaces, and one purple with smiley face shoelaces. I also have some brown trainers with sky blue stripes with sky blue laces with cherries on.

I usually shave assiduously but it never goes away, i let my hair do it's own thing, but always clean it...i have a very feminine rucksack with ribbons and badges on, but a very conservative male long blackdouble-breasted coat. I also have a jacket made out of a weird sandy wool material with fake leather piping - i love that jacket.

I have painted my nails before, but it looks too messy when i do it. I do not have many accessories except a gold chain. I want to get another necklace that looks like it's been made of sweets.

When I'm at work I have a blue apron I have tied pink and yellow ribbons all the way up the straps.
I do own one suit, it likes funerals.

I wear these things because they are comfortable and I am gravitated towards simple, logo-less bright clothes.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Nero on January 07, 2009, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 07, 2009, 04:22:40 PM
When I'm at work I have a blue apron I have tied pink and yellow ribbons all the way up the straps.

good taste. not much prettier than pink and yellow together.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Pica Pica on January 07, 2009, 04:40:58 PM
not really much choice, the ribbons kept falling off packets of sweets, and they were pink or yellow
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Jaimey on January 07, 2009, 07:12:16 PM
I wear mostly female clothes, but they aren't extraordinarily feminine.  Jeans, plain sweaters (it was frickin' cold today...snow and everything), etc.  I do wear a lot of unisex t-shirts and I always wear my black chuck taylors with pink and black checked laces.  Very exciting wardrobe...::)
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Nicky on January 07, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
Black chuck taylors always excite me  :embarrassed:

I had a pair of black leather low top chucks once. They were cool.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: tekla on January 07, 2009, 07:17:06 PM
I love the retro black on black low top Chucks myself.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: JonasCarminis on January 07, 2009, 07:34:21 PM
eh... im basically a FTM transsexual.  with like... major queerness.  idk.  haha im like... idk.  but i think anrogynous acting fits.  ANYWAYS, i wear traditionally male clothes but a lot of the male clothes that i wear are "metrosexual"
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Nicky on January 07, 2009, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Chet on January 07, 2009, 07:34:21 PM
eh... im basically a FTM transsexual.  with like... major queerness.  idk.  haha im like... idk.  but i think anrogynous acting fits.  ANYWAYS, i wear traditionally male clothes but a lot of the male clothes that i wear are "metrosexual"

dude, that is total major queerness   ;)
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Shana A on January 07, 2009, 10:21:05 PM
Mostly jeans, t shirts, flannel shirts... when I dress for gigs I have various shirts that are colorful and androgynous.

I love wearing skirts too, but if I want to eat, pay my mortgage, it's the above.

Z
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Kinkly on January 08, 2009, 06:27:08 AM
I wear female clothes that androgyness most of the time its a comprimize between being acceptabe and being true to myself if I feel too male I need to escape to my own privacey do go realy girly but I never feel too girly probably because of my beard anthough going all out at a crossdressing group can be a bit much and I'm glad to get back into my androgynes clothes
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Jaimey on January 08, 2009, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: Nicky on January 07, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
Black chuck taylors always excite me  :embarrassed:

I had a pair of black leather low top chucks once. They were cool.

Chuck Taylors are ALWAYS exciting!  The rest of my wardrobe is a little bland, though. :D
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Yochanan on January 08, 2009, 07:25:13 PM
I wear mostly black t-shirts, though I've got some colored ones and this white one with a hot chick on the front that I got at my first rock show (and in which I first got beer poured all over me =p). I loves me some tight jeans, but I have some baggy ones I wear, and I have a weakness for plaid pants (my favorites are grey and pink). I always wear a hat--I used to wear a System of a Down one but I retired it and now I wear one that I got when I went to see Jesus Christ Superstar, and it's got devil horns attached and I've been wearing gold bells on it.

My pride and joy, though, is my jacket. It's a grey suit jacket that fits me perfectly, and I've sewn lots of patches on it (band patches, some I got in SC, some I cut out of t-shirts) and buttons all the way around the collar (my favorite says "Be Your Own God"; I got it from a guy I know in Venice). Oh, and it's got bells on the sleeves.

Yeah. I like wearing bells.

I guess I'd call my look "female-bodied person trying to look male but only succeeding in looking androgynous because of his love of shiny accessories".
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Nicky on January 08, 2009, 07:34:41 PM
This is in no way meant to be offensive but it seems to me there is an element of the 'clown' in a lot of androgyne wear. Maybe this is Rebis's trickster comming through. Bright colors, contrasting flashes of color whether in laces, materials or accessories.

Mmm, I have a theory clowns were created by androgynes....

"Clowns are found in cultures of any time and place, because they meet some deeply rooted needs in humanity: violation of taboos, the mockery of sacred and profane authorities and symbols, reversal of language and action, and a ubiquitous obscenity."

"A clown shows what is wrong with the way things are.
A clown shows how to do ordinary things the wrong way. "

"While in their costume, clowns have special permission from their society to parody or criticize defective aspects of their own culture. They are always required to be funny. Other persons living within the same culture may recognize a clown when they see one, but seldom consciously understand what the clowns do for their society. The typical explanation is "He's just a funny man."["

"Many native traditions held clowns and tricksters as essential to any contact with the sacred. People could not pray until they had laughed, because laughter opens and frees from rigid preconception. Humans had to have tricksters within the most sacred ceremonies for fear that they forget the sacred comes through upset, reversal, surprise. The trickster in most native traditions is essential to creation, to birth".

Clowns are scary  :'( "There is nothing funny about a clown in the moonlight."

"Frequently the Trickster figure exhibits gender and form variability, changing gender roles and engaging in same-sex practices"

"Nowadays, jesters are mainly thought of in association with the European Middle Ages. The jester was a symbolic twin of the king. All jesters and fools in those days were thought of as special cases whom God had touched with a childlike madness—a gift, or perhaps a curse. "
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Jaimey on January 09, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: Nicky on January 08, 2009, 07:34:41 PM
Clowns are scary  :'( "There is nothing funny about a clown in the moonlight."

I like everything in that post, Nicky, my dear, but I had to highlight this part.  >:-)  If I ever meet Tim Curry dressed as a clown, I'll wet my pants and quite possibly slip into madness from fear.  :P  He scared the hell out of me in 'It'.

But in regards to what you were actually saying, I like it and I think it has a lot of truth in it.  In fact, I got the most rock'n'roll haircut I've ever had today.  It's asymmetrical, spiky, and there are 'merlot' streaks in it that you don't really see until the light hits it.  The makeup I wear is also more dramatic than most people wear.  I don't do heavy black makeup or anything like that, but I do wear the almay three color kind, which for blue eyes, has three colors, copper, dark blue, and light blue and you wear them at the same time. 

Excellent thought, Nicky.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Pica Pica on January 09, 2009, 05:05:17 PM
It's funny, I feel I always dress in such a dull way, but then when I sit on the tube and realise I am one of the more colourful people there...this was less the case when I lived in norf london, but now i am in the conservative south of the city it does seem to be the case.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Nicky on January 10, 2009, 02:47:26 AM
gingers seem to have it built in  ;)

Was that really Tim as Pennywise in It? I like Tim Curry. "I see you shiver in antici.......

pation"
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: your zero on January 11, 2009, 02:59:16 AM
Like Yochanan, I have a lot of black t-shirts and I love plaid pants. Most of my shirts are unisex tshirts, but I do own and wear babydolls and shirts from the mens' clothing section (size medium or small men's fits me pretty well!) I do have some colorful shirts, mostly green (my fav color), some red, some blue and a couple purple.

I've recently acquired a taste for skirts and (some) dresses though catching me in those is pretty rare and usually offset with chunky shoes or boots, which I love. My current fav shoes are some brown low-tops from Simple Shoes (comfy as all get-out).

Pants are usually boot cut or straight-leg (women's). I do borrow my boyfriend's jeans sometimes though ... he never seems to mind, lol. I've got a lot of men's lounge pants (but I don't wear them out of the house, cause I think that looks lazy) and I love comfy boxers as homewear :)

Basically I go for comfort first, looks second.

Quote from: Yochanan on January 08, 2009, 07:25:13 PM
I guess I'd call my look "female-bodied person trying to look male but only succeeding in looking androgynous because of his love of shiny accessories".
I think that sounds like me, except I'm not conciously trying to look male. :p
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: V M on January 11, 2009, 06:20:11 AM
I noticed that people would stare at me in a confused manner early on. Many can't decide whether to call me sir or ma'am and just avoid it.
Oh, I generally blue jeans, a shirt and often a hoodi
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: jenalex on January 11, 2009, 11:23:06 AM
"I wear androgynous clothing from other side but still look like birth gender"

Specifically: my birth gender is male and I wear t-shirts, jumpers, jeans sort of thing, but they're from the women's side of the store, so that the colours, designs or cut are slightly different. It's cross-dressing, while allowing people to read you in your birth gender.

Another term is "stealth drag" :)
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Simone Louise on January 11, 2009, 10:37:45 PM
I tend to wear all-cotton oxford cloth button-down shirts in solid pastels (including lots of pink), washable slacks in dark or medium blue or brown, sized solid blue, black or brown cotton socks, and suede black slipons. I wear neither jewelry nor watch. My beard is full. My long hair is worn in a pony tail, bound with a black elastic. I carry a brown canvas purse on shoulder strap.

My wardrobe has a variety of other clothes, colors, and patterns I wear from time to time. For instance, to move packages at UPS, I wear Sears carpenter jeans, T-shirts in a wide variety of solid colors, and ankle-high work boots. Away from home, I wear a solid teal nightshirt to bed (nothing at home). There are no skirts or dresses in my closet because I don't like the way they look on my body, though I have learned to tolerate shorts in the summer.

S
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Jaimey on January 12, 2009, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: Nicky on January 10, 2009, 02:47:26 AM
Was that really Tim as Pennywise in It? I like Tim Curry. "I see you shiver in antici.......

pation"

Indeed it was.  Tim Curry and Tony Todd (I think that's his name...he played Candyman) played the only characters that really scared me.
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: 6thsomatic on January 12, 2009, 10:28:52 PM
Really, I wear whatever catches my eye. Mostly just small tshirts and tighter fitting guys jeans and a hoodie. Some people say its a bit emo looking, but I've been rocking this look since the 90s, so emo co-opted my style. Bastards!
Title: Re: Androgyne presentation How
Post by: Jaimey on January 13, 2009, 09:22:25 PM
I think 'emo' has evolved because bands that I grew up calling emo are no longer the same sort of bands that are called emo now...