am i not creative enough? ;)
Bats see with radar in their mind what color is that?
Your sight has color-names, or could, for every frequency your eye/optic nerve/brain is able to comprehend. You cannot comprehend, or describe, or name a color you've no way of knowing is there. So you call those ultra-violet or infra-red.
How many categorizations do you have for "snow?" The Inuit have a finer detail than thee. Just so with light and color.
Snakes see your heat signature. I believe the Jacobsons gland?
Try salvia, I heard it works wonders... But it is interesting. I suppose its the same thoughts as, "Why am I not a girl in my dreams?"
Cause you've never felt it maybe? And therefore it would have to be a collage of what has already been seen...
Unless you're mixing existing colors to make this color, it would be impossible to see a totally new color in your mind. And mixing existing colors makes an existing color... So its odd. Maybe its possible to have some eye issue that would allow you to interpret something as a whole new color.
Go to Nordstrom. They have these darling Alpaca scarves in colors I have never seen before. Those people are truly geniuses when it comes to creating new colors and naming them...LOL ;D But seriously..do you think that blood would be red if everyone on earth were colorblind, hmmm? and why not?
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Quote from: Kara-Xen on January 23, 2009, 02:59:17 PM
Snakes see your heat signature. I believe the Jacobsons gland?
Try salvia, I heard it works wonders... But it is interesting. I suppose its the same thoughts as, "Why am I not a girl in my dreams?"
Cause you've never felt it maybe? And therefore it would have to be a collage of what has already been seen...
Unless you're mixing existing colors to make this color, it would be impossible to see a totally new color in your mind. And mixing existing colors makes an existing color... So its odd. Maybe its possible to have some eye issue that would allow you to interpret something as a whole new color.
The jacobson's gland is my favorite gland. the little fiends use it to smell. They touch something with their tongue and then touch their tongue to their jacobson's gland in their mouth.
Hence... Tasting scent, no?
So basically our organs are just one path of evolution to sense waves and stuff...
There are most likely countless other signatures beyond our sensory ability that you could invent and genetically engineer organs to find. Biology discovering new colors would be awesome.
Colors are a construct of how our brain interprets the signal from the little receptors in our eyes which detect certain wavelengths of electromagnetic energy. Therefore, the set of colors defined by humans are bound by the limits of this mechanism. While some of us may be able to detect a wider or deeper range of waves and intensities than others, you yourself won't be able to very well imagine a color you can't see.
Humans don't register ultraviolet or infrared rays so we can't really imagine what they would actually look like, even though some animals
can see them. Same goes for radiowaves, microwaves, and x-rays, etc., except as far as I know no living being see waves of those wavelengths. So, when it comes to a ultraviolet color, you might be able to define it with words in some way, or try to make some sort of analogy to relate the concept to somebody, but to actually wrap your mind around what it would actually look like doesn't seem possible to me. The same reason scientists have such a hard time explaining what 11 dimensions looks like to people =P.
One interesting thing about the human eye. We only have receptors for three colors, red, green, and blue and our mind extrapolates all the other colors we know of by combining these 3 primary colors. The colors on a computer monitor, which uses light from those primary colors to display images, would probably not look correct to an animal who has more (or less) receptors.
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Quote from: Kara-Xen on January 23, 2009, 11:28:08 PM
Biology discovering new colors would be awesome.
Yes it would! ;D
Because your senses limit your ability to imagine Katia.
If every creature on planet earth (including humans) were color blind would the sky be blue? No, because the concept of "blueness" wouldn't exist for us. We could never imagine it because we are limited by our senses.
QuoteNo, because the concept of "blueness" wouldn't exist for us.
Just because our awareness does not know that does not mean it does not exist. The earth would exist even if we were dead.
Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2009, 05:22:15 PM
QuoteNo, because the concept of "blueness" wouldn't exist for us.
Just because our awareness does not know that does not mean it does not exist. The earth would exist even if we were dead.
Except this thread is about whether or not we can imagine something and not whether or not it exists apart from us.
Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2009, 05:22:15 PM
QuoteNo, because the concept of "blueness" wouldn't exist for us.
Just because our awareness does not know that does not mean it does not exist. The earth would exist even if we were dead.
That's debatable.
Quote from: Rebis on January 24, 2009, 06:10:47 PM
That's debatable.
Oooooo... Good point :icon_rockon:
Quote from: Rebis on January 24, 2009, 06:10:47 PM
That's debatable.
If a tree falls in the forest... :P
Quote from: Katia on January 23, 2009, 10:36:23 AM
am i not creative enough? ;)
Something has color because of the light it reflects.
Put yourself in a different light :)
Quote from: Rebis on January 24, 2009, 06:10:47 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2009, 05:22:15 PM
QuoteNo, because the concept of "blueness" wouldn't exist for us.
Just because our awareness does not know that does not mean it does not exist. The earth would exist even if we were dead.
That's debatable.
Thats like saying that everything I perceive is a construct within my mind, only I really exist ... the world and its"news" is just a development within my imagination ... akin to a dream ... people only really exist when I see them or interact with them ...
Laura x
That is true. When you are gone; we all are gone.
QuoteThat is true. When you are gone; we all are gone.
Only from your point of view. But physical reality does not acknowledge only your view, there are a infinite other views which make up the probability if reality.
Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2009, 08:03:58 PM
Only from your point of view. But physical reality does not acknowledge only your view, there are a infinite other views which make up the probability if reality.
How are you sure of this? From your perspective, how can you prove the reality you perceive is not some elaborate ruse :P?
Quote from: Delia on January 24, 2009, 08:22:06 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2009, 08:03:58 PM
Only from your point of view. But physical reality does not acknowledge only your view, there are a infinite other views which make up the probability if reality.
How are you sure of this? From your perspective, how can you prove the reality you perceive is not some elaborate ruse :P?
yeah. Somewhere in this crazy universe is a person, an animal, a flower, or even a beam of light which, once gone, will take us all along with it.
Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2009, 08:03:58 PMOnly from your point of view. But physical reality does not acknowledge only your view, there are a infinite other views which make up the probability if reality.
Can you prove that you're not a disembodied brain in a vat of nutrients somewhere, with everything you perceive to be reality merely electrical impulses being pumped into your brain?
Mina.
I can't prove that. However, I'm also unable to prove that I'm sentient.
Quote from: Rebis on January 24, 2009, 11:48:06 PM
I can't prove that. However, I'm also unable to prove that I'm sentient.
LOL. You can prove that you exist because you think, and that you are therefore aware of yourself. That sounds like sentience to me. Though you can only prove it to yourself. ;) I'm just a figment of your warped mind. :P
Mina.
Depends which pill you took right, the red or the blue?
Quote from: Delia on January 24, 2009, 08:22:06 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2009, 08:03:58 PM
Only from your point of view. But physical reality does not acknowledge only your view, there are a infinite other views which make up the probability if reality.
How are you sure of this? From your perspective, how can you prove the reality you perceive is not some elaborate ruse :P?
Because we need many more witnesses that also have the same reality from many different perspectives. It is known as consensus reality. Without collaborating evidence things are skeptical even to ourselves. Human brains distorts and deceives. Many experiments prove this, read " A mind of its own". People that do not doubt there own abilities to understand the world have a huge problem living in it. Take nothing for granted.