Hopefully this will be pretty much already a given to many, but, in essence just in case here is a thought to consider.
Every once in a while one receives the too easily dreaded pangs of someone perplexed. "You never acted like a girl" (or for the boys out there a boy). Really, all this means is that one is a very good actor and is, perhaps contrary to what we might initially think, not in anyway a reflection of our gender.
Consider this, we start life trying our best to manage. Somethings that apparently were supposed to be obvious.. very much weren't, while some of the impulses that we actually had were very much uncouth. At least, for the gender they thought we were anyway. To be transsexual is to be out of place in our own bodies. In that, we learn to adapt to various degrees factoring in family, society and our own personalties among other things. We, in essence, put on a role, one that will allow us to survive in our predicament. In short, how much we acted like our gender while we were hiding is really of no consequence because we were hiding. Acting out, Playing pretend with the role society demanded of us. Of course we weren't very much like ourselves, we were so oft trying so hard not to be.
There is variance of course, and many details but in general I think our past actions are, at least for some, very much not a measure of whom we really are.
Might you have any thoughts?
Hmmmm ... well, when I was hitting puberty I think my parents were a bit concerned about me having gender confusion. From about the age of 12 all the way to 18 I had long hair and before that I was even 10 I was talking about getting a sex change with my parents. I don't think my parents are going to be the least bit surprised when they discover many of my most intimate relationships have been with transgendered people.
Point is though I actually like being male and I would only turn female if I was guaranteed to be beautiful, passable, and with the same genitalia just as functional as ever, and I would still be attracted to females.
The way we act is largely determined socially anyhow be that male or female. For an individual raised in the tradition of being male, unless they actively reject such social programming or adopt other programming on their own, that individual doesn't have a lot of choice but to act male regardless of internal gender identity.
I agree with what you are saying Kimberley. We dont act out as our own gender as we are
scared of the consiquenses and we try so hard to fit in with normal society. There are plenty
of women who I know who act like males doesn't mean they are going to change, and the
same with males. Up until I was around 11/12 did I first thing I am not going to hide who I
am and let my real personalitly shine through.
I haven't had anyone say you didn't even act like a boy. As most people on a daily basis would
comment on how I should be a man. lol :P
We are all diffrent and deal with things diffrently.
Quote from: Loving_kindness_4_all on February 03, 2009, 03:38:18 AM
Point is though I actually like being male and I would only turn female if I was guaranteed to be beautiful, passable, and with the same genitalia just as functional as ever, and I would still be attracted to females.
Oh the irony of life is something else. You almost mirror my thoughts grade 6. .. For me it was clone bodies or bust. .. I busted, heh.
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Sugar and spice and everything nice, that's what little transsexual girls are made of.
Bathed in the mud and left out in the cold, that's the lot little transsexual girls get.
You actually think that is the case?
You know, I had a comment like that from someone, and it made me think about this very subject. I think there's a degree of overcompensation, or trying too hard... and in trying to make sure no one knows what we haven't fully come to terms with ourselves, because of how we view our own feelings (quite apart from fitting in with society), it's possible that a person can be overzealous in the role, and appear to be the very essence of masculinity (for women) or femininity (for men), even though that conflicts with who they actually are.
Maybe that springs from "The way I feel isn't normal, there has to be something wrong with me, I'm a freak!" And, because of these feelings of shame, or awkwardness, denial... what have you, an attempt is made to 'rectify' that by adhering vehemently to the steretypes of the physical gender you have to deal with in the hopes that it will somehow shake you out of these feelings and this growing knowledge that you aren't who you appear to be.
Thus, other people see you as 'one of the lads' or 'one of the girls' because that's who you're trying to be, in order to convince yourself that there's nothing wrong.
Maybe for some people, it is a role played to fool society, but for others it's a role played to fool oneself.
Those are my thoughts anyway. :)
Well...
The thing here is, is that assuming I were born as a girl, I'd still be a freaking weirdo...
Basically yeah. I started ACTING when I became aware of my problem, but there were certainly some male tendencies I still enjoyed (That kind of obnoxiousness I suppose? Is that the right word for it?). I always had that yearning though, and that secret response in my head to what people said that would make everything horrid and ironic.
But when my mom, who is still confused, got on my case so much about, "But you aren't even that feminine. I hate to say it... But-" It almost galvanized what I was already thinking maybe. I remember that the whole reason I did all of this in the first place was the problem I had with my body, and that I only figured out along the way that my social role was also awry.
Its... Complicated. DX
But my mom would cluelessly ask every day, "Are you sure you're not gay?" And I would smack my own head a thousand times cause she went to art school and doesn't know the difference between gender and sexuality. My point to her was that, "Well technically, I AM gay, cause I like girls... Silly mom." But she wouldn't get it, so one day I outright told her that anal was not for me and she stopped. Now she more or less accepts me, but she only does it because she doesn't want to lose me and be alone. She still doesn't REALLY respect it, and I can tell. I don't know... I just get that vibe from her and some other people. Who secretly think I'm just some crazy unstable guy who will never pass and is taking hormones, and is just apeSh@# insane. The comic relief character in the movie of Life, just for them. Douches...
I think it's because there are feminine guys and masquline girls, so it's impossible to "Act like a boy or a girl"
Quote from: Heartwood on February 03, 2009, 06:38:26 AM
I think it's because there are feminine guys and masquline girls, so it's impossible to "Act like a boy or a girl"
That could be another good point there. Assuming I WERE totally a girl... No matter how dudish I dressed I would just come across as cuter to some people... DX
Thats one thing that has always killed me about this. My confidence is lower because of the trans thing. If I were GG I'd probably be ridiculously tomboyish and less socially submissive.
I have no idea...
I think most friends and family say something like this when we come out. My mom did, but now she keeps saying how much I did act like a boy and how she hoped when I was a kid, that the ballet, modeling classes, etc would make me more feminine. :P (run -on sentence but oh well)
I always got told I acted and thought like a guy even before I came out ;D
Quote from: Loving_kindness_4_all on February 03, 2009, 05:42:34 AM
You actually think that is the case?
It has seemed pretty apt to me. Perhaps something of a translation is of value:
"Bathed in the mud" : ugly/misshapen. Such is the hazard of a malformed body. Modern medicine can only do so much after all.
"left out in the cold" : excluded from "normal" activities growing up, etc.
Quote from: Kara-Xen on February 03, 2009, 06:14:31 AM
The thing here is, is that assuming I were born as a girl, I'd still be a freaking weirdo...
Ditto, I am abby-normal and proud of it!
Quote from: Heartwood on February 03, 2009, 06:38:26 AM
I think it's because there are feminine guys and masquline girls, so it's impossible to "Act like a boy or a girl"
I very much agree. But, it does not stop people from presuming.
Quote from: Jeatyn on February 03, 2009, 10:24:57 AM
I always got told I acted and thought like a guy even before I came out ;D
Some do, and while it's certainly nice to hear for us, it really is no measure. ESPECIALLY no measure for those who hid better, which is my point of this.
Just thoughts...
I believe a male or female gender orientation is largely a brain thing you're born with, where a masculine or feminine expression of personality is largely a learned thing. All people, trans or not, use a persona to interface with society, and a one's persona is rarely a completely analogous expression of their inner personality. We adapt our persona to fit the needs of our inner-self the best we know how.
Some of us born with an incorrectly gendered brain/body adapt by conforming to cues from without, so such an FTM, inner-self be damned, would develop a feminine persona which at a glance (normally the extent of effort people use to establish another's gender) seems perfectly normal for a girl. Other FTMs will conform to cues from within, and society be damned, develop a masculine persona. There are reasonable explanations as to why a child, often 4 years or younger, opts for either strategy. Usually, it depends much on their given personality traits: submissive, dominant, etc. and the nature of the community in which they grew up.
So, one thing you could take from my ramblings- the fact an MTF never showed signs of femininity may be due to her innate submissiveness, a trait which has been gendered feminine in most societies, hehe. Also, you can change your persona b/c it's not hardwired to your brain, but not your identity because it is.
My question will always be "how does a girl (or boy) act?". There is no one right answer to that.
I'm no actor, the way I behaved as a kid was simply because
a- it meant I fitted in
b- it was expected
c- I wanted to
d- or all of the above or some combination of
pretty much just like anyone else.
Quote from: Jen on February 03, 2009, 07:25:24 PMthe fact an MTF never showed signs of femininity may be due to her innate submissiveness, a trait which has been gendered feminine in most societies
That's the same conclusion I came up with. I was not so bold growing up as to think I could defy the powers that be.
QuoteMaybe for some people, it is a role played to fool society, but for others it's a role played to fool oneself.
Well said.
Quote from: Kara-Xen on February 03, 2009, 09:02:44 AM
Assuming I WERE totally a girl... No matter how dudish I dressed I would just come across as cuter to some people... DX
I know that's how I was (am?) perceived... Apparently there's something about a short female dressed in mens clothing that, to some, is appealing and... cute... -.-
"We are so accustomed to disguise ourselves to others that in the end we become disguised to ourselves."
--La Rochefoucauld
Quote from: Eryk on February 04, 2009, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: Kara-Xen on February 03, 2009, 09:02:44 AM
Assuming I WERE totally a girl... No matter how dudish I dressed I would just come across as cuter to some people... DX
I know that's how I was (am?) perceived... Apparently there's something about a short female dressed in mens clothing that, to some, is appealing and... cute... -.-
Uhhh. You KINDA do, but not so much as you think from the picture. You're cute, but less so than the tomboyish dude way... I dk.
I agree with a lot of this stuff too, but I disagree a little bit too.
When I came out to my parents, they said, "But you don't act like a girl, you do so many manly things." While that statement was partially true, there was a lot of stuff they didn't know about me. I also tended to act differently around them than when I was with my friends.
My friends on the other hand, even before I came out said things like, "You are such a girl." After I came out, I got a lot of, "Wow, you really make so much more sense now."
I did tend to hide a lot of things from people too. I would act in a way that was congruent with my socially accepted gender. I did things that I didn't really want to do just to fit in and be perceived as "normal".
I think they'll use this against you either way. If you're too masculine acting they're less likely to take you seriously, but if you're very feminine they'll just dismiss you as being a very confused gay guy.
I am somewhat Androg but learned how to be a girl to get by when needed. It took me forever to learn how to sit right how to cross my legs right and so on. I was a very good actor especially in business situations where I needed to be. Now I get to relax and sort of unlearn that stuff. Seems like wasted time now, but I also know at that time it was needed.
Myles
I was raised by 50 mentality. I was born male, and raised that way. 'Boys don't cry', even when they get a whipping for something stupid. But being I was an only child, Mom taught me things that girls were taught. 'Boys need to know these things too', would be her answer. Maybe she saw something in me that Dad didn't. Or maybe he did and was determined to drive it out.
But as a child I had gal friends and not many guy friends. I never could and still real don't understand guys. But for the years I hid, I had lost the ability to communicate with women. But I am getting back there. ;D
We learn early on what is accepted and what isn't. If you are beaten with something long enough, you ether conform or you learn to hide what isn't acceptable. We learned to hide our true selves. Some of us have had a long time to reverse the trait. Some are quicker.
Just my ramblings.
Janet
I was always considered fem. Regardless of how much I tried to act masculine. I was just acting to fulfill expectations. Well I quit acting. I am just myself now. Girlie as they come :laugh:
Those words (among others even more hurtful) were used against me by a person I loved like a mother. And given some thinking they forced me to take the decision to get away from them.
I remember replying to her when she say that: Really? I thought you realized my true self. Its funny you didnt see "anything" odd.
Either she was trying to get a reversal of my decision to transition or was so self centered that she never saw anything that she didnt wanted to see or...
I think if I was asked that now. I do have a proper answer.
Well, you see maybe you didnt see a thing because all that stuff I did it in alone and just for me. I mean I wish I could show them my wishes, my feelings while growing up and stuff. But I indeed was afraid of being thought odd or a freak.
Passing as a guy was hard, I remember how self conscious of my movements, body and voice I was. Plus HS was and always its truly a hell and having this sort of problems... omg /runs
Also my mother said that you do not act like a girl. However people less so close were not even surprised when they heard about my process. But before transition I could not use female clothes or make-up. (Even my nails were quit feminine, hair quit feminine too) You have to learn those things and also women typical manners like the most difficult: speaking.
I was raised mainly by women. Most of these things came naturally to me. The challenge for me was to act like a man. That turned out to be just that. An act. I got tired of acting and decided to be who I am.
I have never spoken masculine like swearing etc.
However my voice is the biggest problem. I always liked nice clothes and dressed very different than average boy of my age. Also my body manners are quit feminine expect that I am very poor to coordinate my body movements.
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's the reason I've had so much trouble convincing Mum I am what I am - she told me that she understands that I may not feel like a woman because of society's overly-girly stereotypes, but that I should ignore them because you don't have to be feminine to be female, however, I can't *possibly* be male 'cause I'm not masculine and never have been. I even told her I'm (more or less) gay, but that is completely irrelevant. The fact that one of my best friends is gay and he's more feminine than Mum herself is is irrelevant. The only important thing is that I've never posed a challenge to Chuck Norris. Gah! :icon_anger: :icon_shakefist: :icon_bored:
Here I have not noticed much ''overly girl'' -stereotypes. However when you look some TV-programs made some other countries it may be different.
Quote from: SomeMTF on February 15, 2009, 05:22:02 AM
I have never spoken masculine like swearing etc.
However my voice is the biggest problem. I always liked nice clothes and dressed very different than average boy of my age. Also my body manners are quit feminine expect that I am very poor to coordinate my body movements.
Developing a fem. voice is easier than you might think. Do you have a piano handy? Start at A-3. That's the A below middle C. That's were the female voice generally starts. So run the A scale up and down while making sentences. "I picked a booger from my nose and flicked it on the wall La La La" or what ever. Have fun with it :laugh:
When you've spent, as I did, 13 years at all boy schools and a further 35 years in a male business environment and being a husband and father, you learn how to act like a boy, it's a matter of conformity and survival. Practice makes perfect, and many of us learn to 'do' boy (or girl) very convincingly indeed. So, when we announce to the world that we actually identify as the opposite gender, it's unremarkable that we get those "but you don't act like a girl/boy" reactions.
What I do find intensely gratifying and remarkable, however, is how quickly I and many other transitioners, have managed to unlearn and discard all those years of social conditioning. :)
Conditioning? Yes, some of it rather intense. But still, members of a certain team I was assigned to would call me mom rather than Capt. Just be yourself :laugh:
This also bring us the fundamental question , the difference between early and late transitioners. Or the group between them. Neither group is superior than other. The theoretical thinking that ''young transitioners'' are more real transsexual and the practice that some therapist and GLBT-community respect and listen more to ''late transitioners''. Both types of thinking should be wrong.
Everyone is someone. The difference is that there are more resources now as compared to when I was young ;)
Leiandra
QuoteMaybe that springs from "The way I feel isn't normal, there has to be something wrong with me, I'm a freak!" And, because of these feelings of shame, or awkwardness, denial... what have you, an attempt is made to 'rectify' that by adhering vehemently to the stereotypes of the physical gender you have to deal with in the hopes that it will somehow shake you out of these feelings and this growing knowledge that you aren't who you appear to be.
Thus, other people see you as 'one of the lads' or 'one of the girls' because that's who you're trying to be, in order to convince yourself that there's nothing wrong.
Maybe for some people, it is a role played to fool society, but for others it's a role played to fool oneself.
As a kid growing up I spent most of my time playing with girls and only had a few select guy friends. I was raised by my mom along with my sister and pretty well everything that needed done around the house was equally shared.
I believe my mom suspected something was different about me, and I don't think no amount of play acting can fool a mom, but the mom may choose to deny the truth, even possibly vehemently in atempt to protect the child they love from a cruel and ignorant lot that is called the general run of society.
She did catch me dressing up on a couple of different occasions but just walked away quietly not saying anything. What could she do back then in the 60's? Where could she go to discus such a dilemma with. Especially back then where it was rumored they would lock you up and throw away the key, cheeeeeez wizzzz and if they didn't legalise which burning again. Well those fears certainly lent a lot to keeping me in the closet about things for a good many years.
But even then I would go to friends place and end up preferring to sit and have a conversation with their wives. Up until then I don't think I worked very hard at being anything else except the one who resided within. Most places where I went were where there were gatherings of women.
It wasn't until in later years that I began to put on the act of being just as macho as the rest of the guys just so that I would fit in, where I thought I had to fit in if I wanted to live a normal life. It nearly cost me my life a few times playing those stupid games of proving I was just as much a man as they were game. When I got to the age of 32 I figured it was time for me to start a family before I got to old. Worst mistake I could have ever made. six years of hell playing the devils advocate, and the rest is another long story.
Cindy
At least you did it, Cindy. :)
QuoteMaybe that springs from "The way I feel isn't normal, there has to be something wrong with me, I'm a freak!" And, because of these feelings of shame, or awkwardness, denial... what have you, an attempt is made to 'rectify' that by adhering vehemently to the stereotypes of the physical gender you have to deal with in the hopes that it will somehow shake you out of these feelings and this growing knowledge that you aren't who you appear to be.
Thus, other people see you as 'one of the lads' or 'one of the girls' because that's who you're trying to be, in order to convince yourself that there's nothing wrong.
Maybe for some people, it is a role played to fool society, but for others it's a role played to fool oneself.
Particularly when you don't have a name for it. I know when I was young I (incredibly naively) believed (and hoped) that everyone thought/felt the same way, that all girls daydreamed about being boys and were miserable that they weren't, but did the whole "female" thing regardless, and so I figured that if they could do it so well then I could too. So, *so* spectacularly wrong... :o :eusa_doh: :eusa_shifty: ::)
But I think that's the problem, certainly when you're young and haven't seen or experienced enough of the world to know better - if you (innocently/naively/stupidly/for whatever reason) believe everyone to experience things in a similar way to you, then how are you to know that your gender dysphoria
isn't universal? In which case, when you see people going around behaving as they are, and you believe them to be feeling the same as you...you try to copy them because *obviously* if they're coping as they are, then why can't you? ??? :eusa_think:
Will
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 16, 2009, 03:30:02 AM
So run the A scale up and down while making sentences. "I picked a booger from my nose and flicked it on the wall La La La" or what ever. Have fun with it :laugh:
LOL, perhaps saying something slightly more lady-like while practicing could be a good idea ;) :laugh:
Z
What about tip toing through the tulips with me. :D by Tiny Tim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0#hq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0#hq)
There ya go my cosine from Mars.
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on February 16, 2009, 02:54:32 PM
What about tip toing through the tulips with me. :D by Tiny Tim
I love Tiny Tim! I think s/he might have been trans too.
PS, sorry Cindy, I inadvertently modified your post while trying to reply to it.
Z
Zat iz, OK Zythra, my couzin from Marz, Tiny Tim, tip toes through the tulips once more.
Cindy
Interesting discussion :)
I got it both ways, being bullied by at school boys for being perceived too feminine and accused by my girlfriends and lovers of not being transgendered/transexual because I was too masculine!
The only group that have always accepted and loved me for who I am were and are lesbians. Don't know why but they enjoy both sides of me and have never doubted my gender identity (far less than myself in fact). They saved my life and let me make peace with myself for which I'm eternally grateful.
I'm not really a religious person but our common ground as Muslims from oppressed gender/sexual minorities has held us together through the good times and the bad times. We are family...
Quote from: Zythyra on February 16, 2009, 09:48:37 AM
LOL, perhaps saying something slightly more lady-like while practicing could be a good idea ;) :laugh:
Z
Virginia? Lady like? Let's not get too ambitious :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
I drove for Tiny Tim when I was a chauffeur in the Bay area. Nice person, let me play his Ukulele :laugh:
I picked him up at the airport and he requested me to drive for the whole time he was there
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 16, 2009, 09:04:19 PM
Virginia? Lady like? Let's not get too ambitious :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
I drove for Tiny Tim when I was a chauffeur in the Bay area. Nice person, let me play his Ukulele :laugh:
I assume you never washed your hand that touched the uke again! ;) :laugh:
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on February 16, 2009, 09:22:22 PM
I assume you never washed your hand that touched the uke again! ;) :laugh:
Z
I play south paw also. He said he was rather impressed. He played a bunch of songs as we traveled from Santa Cruz to SF and back. Including the ever famous Tip Toe through the Tulips :laugh:
We took the coastal route and stopped to hang out at a few beaches
Tiny Tim playing Uke on the beach was a surprise that I never expected
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 16, 2009, 09:30:33 PM
I play south paw also. He said he was rather impressed. He played a bunch of songs as we traveled from Santa Cruz to SF and back. Including the ever famous Tip Toe through the Tulips :laugh:
We took the coastal route and stopped to hang out at a few beaches
Tiny Tim playing Uke on the beach was a surprise that I never expected
Z is jealous... some people have all the luck, private Tiny Tim concerts on the beach... :'(
If it makes you feel any better. I also drove Madonna to go shopping in SF. Was she ever in a stinky mood :P
I remember seeing him for the first time on black and white TV on the ed Sullivan Show, "and we have a really big shew for you tonight!" My mom loved Tiny Tim too.
I guess my mom wasn't very fussy about what kind of music she listened too, she liked pretty well all the silly stuff I liked,
anything from Patty Page in how much is that little doggy in the window. to
Shirley Temple in Good Ship Lolly Pop.
Jimmy Boyd in I saw Santa Claus kissing mommy under the Christmas tree last night.
David Saville in the chipmunk songs.
Rolf Harris in my boomerang wont come back.
Sheb Wooley in the one eyed, one horned, flying purple people heater... er I mean eater.
David Savile the Witch Dr.
J. Frank Wilson in Last Kiss. Bobby Goldsboro in Hunny.
Tony Bennett In the middle of an Island. Beach Boys KoKomo.
Elvis Presley's Blue Hawaii, right on up to the beat of the hippy days and the age of rock and roll.
"Wow!" talk about going down memory lane hu? I guess I was really paying attention to that there little beige plastic radio up on the shelf above the kitchen table when I was just a little thang drawing pictures for mommy and daddy, yep, a big old red arborite and chrome kitchen table with matching stuffed red plastic covered chairs and chrome.
Oh my goodness, Tink you would have had fun playing jungle with my sister and I, complete with hula skirts and make shift palm trees we decorated the floor lamps with green cloth cut in tatters to look like leaves on the palm trees. We always played pretend games when mom and dad were next door visiting the neighbors.
Cindy
If what you describe, the pitch modification, is the only thing a male larynx did, it would still sound like a totally male falsetto.
Resonance and intonation are much more important than pitch for making a voice be female. Lift the resonance up out of the chest and throat, center it in the forehead. One of the subtle things to learn is how to inflect the intonation patterns in sentences in a natural womanly way. It can't be all monotone like men speak. You need rising and falling patterns of intonation according to how the words and meaning flow in a sentence. That can only be acquired by listening carefully to women and imitating until it becomes second nature. If you don't get that down accurately, you'll only sound like a drag queen. Record your voice and play it back to check.
Also, raising the pitch helps, but it only helps if the resonance and intonation are done right.
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 16, 2009, 03:30:02 AM
Developing a fem. voice is easier than you might think. Do you have a piano handy? Start at A-3. That's the A below middle C. That's were the female voice generally starts. So run the A scale up and down while making sentences. "I picked a booger from my nose and flicked it on the wall La La La" or what ever. Have fun with it :laugh:
Quote from: Zythyra on February 16, 2009, 09:22:22 PM
I assume you never washed your hand that touched the uke again! ;) :laugh:
Z
I adore Tiny Tim, my second favourite ever after Captain Beefheart.
I look back and don't see myself acting like a girl or a boy...just a weird kid who played with handpuppets.
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Quote from: cindybc on February 16, 2009, 10:48:59 PM
I guess I was really paying attention to that there little beige plastic radio up on the shelf above the kitchen table when I was just a little thang drawing pictures for mommy and daddy
me too, mowtown makes me think of ironing.
Hypatia brings up some very good points. The pitch, tone and inflection are very important to learn also. I was somewhat lucky to be mainly raised by women. So allot of that came naturally for me. My challenge was learning to talk like a man :laugh:
A good way to learn is take a pocket size recorder and strike up a conversation with a woman that has a nice voice you like. Ask a couple of questions and let her do most of the talking ;)
Also getting an inexpensive acoustic guitar tuner is good to practice matching the notes of the A scale :laugh:
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 17, 2009, 11:31:23 AM
I adore Tiny Tim, my second favourite ever after Captain Beefheart.
I love the Captain too... wouldn't that have been an amazing collaboration, Tiny Tim & Captain Beefheart!
Z
I've been told that as well by my mom least as far as when was real young. I was somewhat a tomboy or more so than typical tomboy growing up though. was about puberty I started trying to be more feminine in some ways that and always was a kid trying to please parents.
Quote from: Zythyra on February 17, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
I love the Captain too... wouldn't that have been an amazing collaboration, Tiny Tim & Captain Beefheart!
Z
alas, we shall never know
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 17, 2009, 03:52:40 PM
Also getting an inexpensive acoustic guitar tuner is good to practice matching the notes of the A scale :laugh:
Hehe! Sometimes notice the guitar tuner flash when I forget to turn it off...
Quote from: imaz on February 18, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Hehe! Sometimes notice the guitar tuner flash when I forget to turn it off...
Then it's time to buy a new 9V battery :laugh: