Are heterosexual crossdressers more predominant than gay crossdressers?I would like to hear what people have to say about this.Do both groups do it for the same reasons.?
Thanks Dominique1
Its gets very murky, but... common notions have CDs at about 80% straight, but I would guess that in fact the bi % is very high, and no one knows for sure.
Hi Tekla,thanks for getting back to me.Do you think gay cd's use it to lure straight men.
I doubt that 'lure' would be the right word, I'm sure many 'straight' guys have sex with CDs thinking that they are still straight.
But a straight guy would not be having sex with a male cd,would'nt that make him not straight.
Dominique1
As I understand it gay adn straight are terms taht define attraction adn they, like many things, are better expressed on a spectrum (the Kinsey Scale for example).
If a man has sex with a CD because he was attracted to what is being projected (a feminine identity) then no, he's straight. However, if he is attracted to the underlying male then it would seem that gay is more appropriate.
I don't think it is as polar as that though. I think it's possible for many mixtures of both to be found whereby a man may be attracted initially to the female but upon intercourse find the male aspects more attractive.
The mind does not uphold the same barriers that society or even science does.
Hi Chrysalis,thanks for your comments ,I found them very interesting and helpful.
Dominique
All of the Drag Queens I know are gay. Drag Queens usually only dress to perform. Lip sync stuff. Mostly bad performances at that. Most crossdressers would prefer to make dressing as a woman a fulltime experience. Also, most crossdressers are straight. Married men with children and still in the closet. e.g. Herbert Hoover was a crossdresser. Damn he must have made an ugly woman. Probably gay crossdressers do not dress to attract men. That could be dangerous. Any guy who picks up a crossdresser may be trying to fool himself into beleiving he is straight. If they pick up a woman with an additional appendage and they are aware of it, must be bi. Or maybe just horny. "Any port in a storm" as they say in the navy.
Post Merge: February 23, 2009, 05:25:27 AM
Correction: J. Edgar Hoover, head of the F.B.I. was a crossdresser. Into feather boas I heard. Herbert Hoover was a president.
Post Merge: February 23, 2009, 06:48:43 AM
Statistics of 1159 crossdressers. Straight-48.4% Straight,bicurious-23.9% Bi prefer women-10.1% Straight with Homosexual experience- 7.2% Bisexual - 6.6% Bisexual prefer men- 1.6% Gay- 1.5% Gay with Heterosexual Experience- .7% I found that on google.
Genevieve,those stats mean I am in a complete minority at 1.5%.My chances of meeting somebody like me are pretty slim.
Dominique.
P.S. thanks for the stats.
OK let's try again. Straight bicurious 23.9 bi 6.6 Bi Pref men 1.6 Gay 1.5 23.9+6.6+1.6+1.5=33.6% Over one third. And the curious ones you could easily convert. Be optimistic.
Thanks for the clarification,I do feel more opyimistic now.
Dominique
Your welcome sweety. HUGs, genevieve
Although I've played on the bi-side and enjoyed it, I'd say I'm very straight but also a crossdresser... I'm attracted to feminity I guess...
All I can really add to this, since the numbers are the same ones I've seen, one of the happiest married couples I know is gay, and one of the partners is CD. They are monogamous, but both are a lot of fun, and the full time guy, treats the other "girl's" in our crowd no matter what their orientation is, like they are princesses and likewise his spouse when he is she. They both joke about being "outed" as a heterosexual couple pretending to be gay. It can happen. ;D
Personally, I'm pansexual and don't understand attraction based on genitals at all and so I'm probably not the right person to comment.. but...
I have a friend who has a saying: "I'm probably bisexual, I just haven't met the right man yet."
So even amongst those that profess themselves straight, there could be some of those sort.
You never know..
I'm a cross-dresser who's been married for the last 20+ years. If the woman I'd fallen in love with had been a man, I'd still have fallen in love.
I'm not so much attracted to a person based on their body, but based on the person. Bisexual seems to be the most convenient term, but it doesn't quite cover the whole gender spectrum. Bisexual refers to a binary, which is limiting in regards to what I find sexually attractive.
From what studies I have read about Drag Queens, most are straight. They do it for the performance pleasure.
I, as a married bisexual male, have found that my desire for dressing is separate from my sexual desires. I am visually attracted to the female body over a male body. Maybe its the clothes they wear. Being attrated to a person mentally has nothing to do with ones gender or sexual ID.
I've got five dollars on the gay crossdressers. They're fierce!!!
Oh. This thread isn't a "what if they fought", huh?
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on March 23, 2009, 05:52:35 PM
I've got five dollars on the gay crossdressers. They're fierce!!!
LOL :laugh: :laugh:
if I am dressed as a mam with a man or a woman, then I act as a man,if I am dressed as a woman with a woman I am Lesbian, if I am dressed as a woman with a man then I become a slut,explain that
You might need more heads to wear all those hats. ;) :laugh: ::) Sounds good to me why explain it, sounds like lots of fun.
Sounds very normal. I thought we all did that.
I am in the 6.6% bi sexual, I have discovered however that I am only attracked to men while expressing my trueself not being male so at first I thought myself strait but after enjoying the company of another woman in the bedroom I am sure I'm bi :) I like both, I have also on one occasion been on a double date my truself, another woman and we each had a male escorting us now that was absolutly the most enjoyable time I had ever had and I'll leave it at that ;)
Common confusion I run into with people (including GLBT) is they fail to separate sexual orientation from gender identity. Additionally, they don't all understand what exactly sexual orientation means either.
I consider myself bi because I am attracted to men, women (genetic or post-op), and non-op/pre-op transsexuals. A lot of people would say that an experience between me and a non-op MTF would still be a gay experience. I don't see it that way. People further confuse gender and sex making the problem worse. While the non-op/pre-op TS would be male by sex (genitals), they would be female by gender. I see people by the gender they present and not by the mere physical attributes. So if I were on a date with a non-op/pre-op TS and I am also presenting as female myself (cross-dressed), that would actually be a lesbian experience. What is "underneath" is irrelevant. The two of us see each other as girls, treat each other as girls, and that is what defines it.
Ultimately what should occur ideally is for people to just stop worrying about labels to begin with. You have the right to be attracted to whoever you want and to present with whatever gender you want and you really don't have an obligation to answer to anyone except yourself as it is your life.
Wish it were that cut and dried... but for example, what do you make of men who are only attracted to crossdressers and not genetic women? Gay? Straight? Fetish? It goes beyond gender and orientation, as in the case above there is no clear definitive answer I can see.
There is the element of attraction as well. Sexual orientation is only part of the equation, attraction does not necessarily run parallel to orientation. Too often, when we cant define that we throw around the term bi-sexual. But I would postulate that bi-sexual and fetish are two different paths to go by, though not at all mutually exclusive.
Wh do we humans always seem to feel the need to categorize and comparmentalize everything? Nature is chaos, embrace it! ;D :D ::)
Quote from: Miniar on March 19, 2009, 05:44:51 AM
Personally, I'm pansexual and don't understand attraction based on genitals at all and so I'm probably not the right person to comment.. but...
I have a friend who has a saying: "I'm probably bisexual, I just haven't met the right man yet."
So even amongst those that profess themselves straight, there could be some of those sort.
You never know..
I also identify as pansexual
What about those that are neither gay or straight. Where would you put us?
Well assuming your not both - which is bi or pan (though I doubt that most of the people here who ID as Pan really understand all that's involved in that), then I'm guessing at Starbucks, having a coffee and surfing the web.
The more arbitrary labels we create, the more we confuse. What's behind the predilection we have for trying to carve up the gender & sexuality spectra into finer and finer slices? A love of categorizing ourselves and others? Or a rebellion against other categories by, ironically, creating yet another one?
You want to know my label? Look in the back of my boxer shorts - that's where I keep it. Beware, though...I may blow you a kiss. :)
I can't and won't speak (post?) for others, but for me it's not so much about labels as it is about working within the confines of language to describe myself. Somehow, saying "I am a person" seems incomplete, to me.
Yup, I understand - my issue with too many labels doesn't logically invert into "there should be just one". It just seems that there's a tendency to "over-rotate" on the labelling front. How much granularity do we really need? :)
I was searching "gay bisexual crossdressers", and I came across this forum (I'm already a member here). One of my best "dates" (o-kay...) was with a bisexual (gay?) crossdresser, and I suppose that went a long way to opening me up to my own bisexuality. I'm bi-genderqueer, usually present male on workdays by default/simplicity, and I'm a "Glam-Rocker" on special occasions (a cross between Freddie Mercury and Chrissie Hynde: HEYYYY...how sexy is THAT?!!)
on several different web sites I had polls about this.
70% Bi
13% herero
10% gay
3% autoerotic
3% asexual
Quote from: Genevieve Swann on February 23, 2009, 05:43:55 AM
All of the Drag Queens I know are gay. Drag Queens usually only dress to perform. Lip sync stuff. Mostly bad performances at that. Most crossdressers would prefer to make dressing as a woman a fulltime experience. Also, most crossdressers are straight. Married men with children and still in the closet. e.g. Herbert Hoover was a crossdresser. Damn he must have made an ugly woman. Probably gay crossdressers do not dress to attract men. That could be dangerous. Any guy who picks up a crossdresser may be trying to fool himself into beleiving he is straight. If they pick up a woman with an additional appendage and they are aware of it, must be bi. Or maybe just horny. "Any port in a storm" as they say in the navy.
Post Merge: February 23, 2009, 05:25:27 AM
Correction: J. Edgar Hoover, head of the F.B.I. was a crossdresser. Into feather boas I heard. Herbert Hoover was a president.
Post Merge: February 23, 2009, 06:48:43 AM
Statistics of 1159 crossdressers. Straight-48.4% Straight,bicurious-23.9% Bi prefer women-10.1% Straight with Homosexual experience- 7.2% Bisexual - 6.6% Bisexual prefer men- 1.6% Gay- 1.5% Gay with Heterosexual Experience- .7% I found that on google.
There are many who say this was not the case or rather no solid proof that this was true.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-j-edgar-hoover/2011/11/07/gIQASLlo5M_story.html
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2423/was-j-edgar-hoover-a-cross-dresser
Bi but with only a couple of experiences with men under my belt. (So to speak.)
What about a cisgender female heterosexual child who persistently dresses like a drag queen? Is that a thing? Like, every female toddler (and some males) I've ever met has dressed like a drag queen, and apparently they don't always grow out of it. I normally would not even try to classify this, but anyone who meets my kid either points it out on their own or strongly agrees when it is mentioned. For some people, it is a true and intentional gender performance, but the fact that toddlers are into something very similar highlights how it is an exaggeration of social standards for femininity. Glitter and sequins and long gowns.
Yes, heterosexual crossdressers are far more common.
I think both groups have similar goals.. ie. giving space to one's femininity. Maybe in different ways.. I don't know many gays.. and the ones I know I'm not aware that they crossdress. Maybe they often just don't do it then, because if you're gay it's probably easier to admit that you crossdress? It seems more acceptable for a gay to express femininity.
Why are cis-males still viewed as "cross dressers" or "drag queens" when sis-females are openly accepted as women no matter what clothes they wear. Also, why can openly cis-women freely use the men's public restrooms without fear of prosecution while openly sis-men are unable to use the women's public restrooms withour incident?
Quote from: mac1 on July 03, 2014, 03:00:01 PM
Why are cis-males still viewed as "cross dressers" or "drag queens" when sis-females are openly accepted as women no matter what clothes they wear. Also, why can openly cis-women freely use the men's public restrooms without fear of prosecution while openly sis-men are unable to use the women's public restrooms withour incident?
I think the latter has a lot to do with man on average being more (sexually) aggressive and physically capable of dominating a woman.
As for the dressing part.. I totally agree. It would be great if males could wear whatever they like.. masculine or feminine. We've seen females adopting male clothes although they tend to give their own feminine spin on it that accentuate the feminine shape. Jeans being originally a male cloth but make them tight and a feminine shape is emphasized. Similarly, males are allowed to wear things considered feminine such as necklaces. But if it's a thin necklace or if it has a 'cute' symbol as a hanger it may be frowned upon and considered feminine. Males may wear tight clothes but if you're not muscular it is again often frowned upon.
This is all very interesting because there are ''male to female crossdressers'' who don't just want to wear feminine clothes.. they want to feel like a female totally. For myself, even if feminine clothes were completely acceptable as a male I would still be disappointed. I don't just want to wear feminine clothes because it's nice, but also because it makes me feel less a male and more happy to look more like a female.
Quote from: Genevieve Swann on February 23, 2009, 05:43:55 AM
All of the Drag Queens I know are gay. Drag Queens usually only dress to perform. Lip sync stuff. Mostly bad performances at that. Most crossdressers would prefer to make dressing as a woman a fulltime experience. Also, most crossdressers are straight. Married men with children and still in the closet. e.g. Herbert Hoover was a crossdresser. Damn he must have made an ugly woman. Probably gay crossdressers do not dress to attract men. That could be dangerous. Any guy who picks up a crossdresser may be trying to fool himself into beleiving he is straight. If they pick up a woman with an additional appendage and they are aware of it, must be bi. Or maybe just horny. "Any port in a storm" as they say in the navy.
Post Merge: February 23, 2009, 05:25:27 AM
Correction: J. Edgar Hoover, head of the F.B.I. was a crossdresser. Into feather boas I heard. Herbert Hoover was a president.
Post Merge: February 23, 2009, 06:48:43 AM
Statistics of 1159 crossdressers. Straight-48.4% Straight,bicurious-23.9% Bi prefer women-10.1% Straight with Homosexual experience- 7.2% Bisexual - 6.6% Bisexual prefer men- 1.6% Gay- 1.5% Gay with Heterosexual Experience- .7% I found that on google.
I got scared when you said Hoover, lol. But those were some fun facts. :)
Hello :laugh:
What I will comment now, is because of what I know of several contacts that have ...
Well .. as has been said, Heterosexual Crossdresser is much more common ... the few Crosses Homosexuals know that, say, within the "gay community" there is a huge difficulty for crossdressing.
However, the level of Brazil, is a little easier to expose a homosexual cross and be "more accepted" by society than a heterosexual cross...
In my point of view, coming to "the real world" when all we produced, made-up, etc., at least among us, those differences (homosexual heterosexual cross X cross ... more traditional and others more exuberant costumes, etc.) , are hardly grounds for disagreement ... but to show that we have something in common in all of us: Pleasure to be an adept person Crossdressing.
I don't know how common it is, but I'm a cross-dressing heterosexual transman. I love wearing skirts, feminine jewelry, dresses, and so on, although I mostly just cross-dress at home so I don't have to deal with people thinking I'm a woman. Some would consider me bi since I'm fine with trans women who haven't started on transitioning yet, but eh. I just see them as women, no matter what their body looks like.
I don't know what category I am in anymore, other than I still don't like binary men. Does it make me bisexual that I do like FtM? Or MtF? Or non-binaries? On some level, maybe, but if I were to say I were bisexual, that would imply that I like binary men which I don't at all...I don't like anything about them, don't want to be one, and certainly don't want to date one.
Clothes are just clothes. All clothing (except in restricted societies) has become acceptable for women so why can't the same be the case for men?
Quote from: mac1 on July 22, 2014, 11:23:40 AM
Clothes are just clothes. All clothing (except in restricted societies) as become acceptable for women so why can't the same be the case for men?
Great Observation :D
After all, most of us are initially expressed externally. The lack of psychic is each person :P ...
I am a cross-dresser & I am bi-sexual
Quote from: kittie on August 19, 2014, 08:40:17 AM
I am a cross-dresser & I am bi-sexual
Isn't it strange that women are not referred to as crossdressers no matter what they wear?
Hello, fellow Nonconformants.
Go play an online video game. Almost every woman character on there is bound to be a male player. :P (MMORPG ["Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game"] = "Mostly Men Online Role-Playing [as] Girls") One of my best friends on WoW opened up to me one day that he (a male character) was actually a she (female player), whereas I was the opposite. It brought on a good laugh.
Toodles from TN,
Ales
Quote from: mac1 on August 19, 2014, 12:24:03 PM
Isn't it strange that women are not referred to as crossdressers no matter what they wear?
Mac1 .... Well ... I see that, unlike the men's clothing, menswear observed which were adapted to the female body (blazer, suits, trousers ... among others ...), thus some observations go unnoticed . :)..
However, within the crossdresser world, can generate a feeling of "is there to Femme Male crossdressing" ??? ? And where can discriminate :o ...
I'm bisexual and I enjoy a bit of crossdressing every now and then.
I just find guy clothes to be boring, and doing little things like wearing panties or girly socks when i'm just out boost my confidence. When it comes to more, er, private affairs, I feel sexier too.