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Community Conversation => Non-binary talk => Topic started by: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 12:42:56 PM

Title: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
You think we're egocentric as a type?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAjmgKq7BzE#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAjmgKq7BzE#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 12:52:05 PM
should've aimed the video a bit lower...
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 12:55:22 PM
there's a line between egocentricity and exhibitionism
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
well, for the record, you are egocentric.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Constance on February 06, 2009, 02:41:11 PM
Pica, you are an oddball. "And," quoting Dogberry from Much Ado About Nothing, "I praise God for you."

I'd love to meet you, too. But again, some place "safe."  :D

I think of myself as selfish, and I'm not entirely sure if or how this differs from being egocentric.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 02:46:42 PM
well, I think the whole egocentric ties into the childlike thing. children are said to be very egocentric and think they're superheroes and the world revolves around them until they grow up and see other people.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Constance on February 06, 2009, 02:48:54 PM
I certainly feel like my wife and my son are both more mature than I am. I've still got my daughter beat, but she's only 17.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
egocentric is not quite the same as selfish though
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
egocentric is not quite the same as selfish though

ok how is the pica egocentric? please count the ways.  ;)
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:10:17 PM
there's only one way.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 03:13:45 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:10:17 PM
there's only one way.

pray tell. pray tell.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:20:23 PM
Well, to filter everything through the self
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 03:22:33 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:20:23 PM
Well, to filter everything through the self

yes, but everyone does that. what is the pica egocentric about?
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 06, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
I don't think I'd call myself egocentric, but I do feel that I have to take care of myself, so I do put myself before others in that sense.  But I also think about other people, so ???.  Then again, I know a LOT of truly egocentric and/or selfish people and I strive to not be perceived that way.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: V M on February 06, 2009, 03:32:34 PM
Virginia was gathering her thoughts and accidentally tripped over her ego  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
hate it when that happens
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: ZaidaZadkiel on February 06, 2009, 03:55:11 PM
disclaimer: Huge generalizations.

So, the majority of this forum is INFP, in the myers-briggs testy thing.

The INFP type is described as "being very aware of their feelings", apparently, more so than other kind of type.

I *always* know what I am feeling.Other people seem to "believe" rather than "know" what they're feeling.

We as androgynes are more aware of our oddness, and how we feel about it.
I've met excentrics who are painfully *unaware* of their oddness and they feel they're just doing a-ok while everybody is like "omg this guy's freaking mad as a tuna".

Some of us, I personally don't, try to appear as normal and to be "within the boundaries" of society etc. This have to be because these a.g.s are "ego-centric", as it has been described earlier in this thread, no ?

That's what I think.
I might be wrong.
I do know everybody likes fishes.

P.S: OMG Pica! you cut your hair ??? why D: ?
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: V M on February 06, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
hate it when that happens
My skirt flew up and some neighbors were staring in my window. So I gave them a lil' tail shake and smiled
  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Constance on February 06, 2009, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
egocentric is not quite the same as selfish though
That's my thinking, too. But, I can't quite say why.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: ZaidaZadkiel on February 06, 2009, 03:55:11 PM

P.S: OMG Pica! you cut your hair ??? why D: ?

I know. My heart breaks into a million pieces every time sie does that.  :'(
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: V M on February 06, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
I'm a bit odd.... and proud!!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 06:23:41 PM
i cut my hair three times a year whether I need it or not.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nero on February 06, 2009, 06:24:23 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 06:23:41 PM
i cut my hair three times a year whether I need it or not.

you shouldn't. it doesn't become you.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Shana A on February 06, 2009, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 06, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
hate it when that happens
My skirt flew up and some neighbors were staring in my window. So I gave them a lil' tail shake and smiled
  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

I'd tell you you're a bad girl but you'd probably like that  ;) >:-)

Z
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: V M on February 06, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 06, 2009, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 06, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
hate it when that happens
My skirt flew up and some neighbors were staring in my window. So I gave them a lil' tail shake and smiled
  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

I'd tell you you're a bad girl but you'd probably like that  ;) >:-)

Z
Will you spank me and say that?  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Shana A on February 06, 2009, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 06, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 06, 2009, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 06, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
hate it when that happens
My skirt flew up and some neighbors were staring in my window. So I gave them a lil' tail shake and smiled
  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

I'd tell you you're a bad girl but you'd probably like that  ;) >:-)

Z
Will you spank me and say that?  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

Why did I know you'd say that!  :D

Z
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: V M on February 06, 2009, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 06, 2009, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 06, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 06, 2009, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 06, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 06, 2009, 03:39:48 PM
hate it when that happens
My skirt flew up and some neighbors were staring in my window. So I gave them a lil' tail shake and smiled
  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

I'd tell you you're a bad girl but you'd probably like that  ;) >:-)

Z
Will you spank me and say that?  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

Why did I know you'd say that!  :D

Z
You know me..... :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Kinkly on February 06, 2009, 07:42:31 PM
I don't think I'm egocentric, on this site most of my posts are me focused but IRL like when playing with my neice & Nephiew it's all about them and when talking with others I want to know about them as much as I'm willing to show / tell them about me
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 06, 2009, 09:50:59 PM
Did I just hear you pronounce the 'T' in the word 'often'?





Quote[from wikipedia]
In psychology, egocentrism is defined as a) the incomplete differentiation of the self and the world, including other people and b) the tendency to perceive, understand and interpret the world in terms of the self. The term derives from the Greek egĂ´, meaning "I". An egocentric person has a limited theory of mind, cannot fully "put himself in other peoples' shoes," and believes everyone sees what he/she sees (or that what he/she sees, in some way, exceeds what others see).

Quote"put himself in other peoples' shoes,"
I can put myself iin other peoples' shoes sometimes.  Sometimes not as if I'm distant from them though I still wish for them the best.

Quotebelieves everyone sees what he/she sees (or that what he/she sees, in some way, exceeds what others see)
I fall into this trap a LOT.  I believe that what I see is obvious to everyone.  I'm only just learning to stop myself before assuming that my opinions should be shared by everyone else.  I also sometimes feel that what I see exceeds what others are seeing.

This has been an interesting discussion.

last week I was hanging out with someone who is not a christian fundamentalist and who doesn't believe in evolution.  I thought they were kidding and when I realized they weren't, I had to stop myself from thinking they are an ignorant pudhead.   It's okay if someone does not see something in the same way that I do.  It's okay.  It. Is. Okay.   

But, is it okay in the case of evolution?    :-\

I can't shake it
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: V M on February 06, 2009, 10:46:16 PM
I've tried on a few dif. shoes from time to time. Some fit. Some were a bit tight. Some just broke from the pressure of my big feet. I guess it's all about quality and fit.(is there some odd hidden message there?) Maybe, why do you ask?
I've often noticed that most do not see what I see. No problem.

Is it better to be poor and alive or wealthy and dead?
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 07, 2009, 08:08:26 AM
believes everyone sees what he/she sees

that is I, down to the he/she.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Simone Louise on February 07, 2009, 02:06:08 PM
I, personally, would choose another definition: "centered in or arising from a person's own existence or perspective", and opine that, in order to buck society's view of genders, we have to be egocentric. It's all very simple, really. Anybody ought to be able to see it.

Long or short hair, sie is cute.

Humbly,
S
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: ZaidaZadkiel on February 07, 2009, 09:29:17 PM
I prefeer pica with longish hair.
But then, I'm hair-o-phile, whatever the word for that is.

Let me tell you about everybody's favorite subject: me :D

Today I was in a meeting, there was I and Customer and SomeGuy. SomeGuy, I imagined, was worred about me "taking his job". I tried to make it clear that I didn't want to do that. SomeGuy is married and is young and likes stabilty, I'm young and I like instability. Thus I only wish to do this job and GTFO from here.

I was constantly asking "Do I make sense?" and "Do you understand what I'm saying?"
and they were like "oh, yes yes."
But I fear that I might not have explained myself well.

Maybe it's because sometimes I don't understand myself, and I expect other people to "not understand me" too.

But the *weirdest* part, for me, is that almost everybody whom I told me my story of SomeGuy and Customer, were like "yah kill SomeGuy and defecate on his grave!"
While my main worry was not to leave SomeGuy out of a job O.o;

Is that weird ?
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 08, 2009, 11:31:15 AM
You're not weird.  The people who want you to bury the guy are dinks.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nicky on February 08, 2009, 01:11:17 PM
I don't think I am egocentric - perhaps a little inward looking. But then it sort of goes with the territory of being the centre of the universe don't ya thing?  ;)
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: Nicky on February 08, 2009, 01:11:17 PM
I don't think I am egocentric - perhaps a little inward looking. But then it sort of goes with the territory of being the centre of the universe don't ya thing?  ;)

Hey now!  We can't BOTH be the center of the universe!  Nickyum delenda est!  :icon_evil_laugh:  (look!  I made you neuter! ;D)

eh-hem. 


I watched it again.  Maybe we could be seen as egocentric because we want to be seen as ourselves, not as what we look like.  We want others to perceive us as we perceive us and get annoyed when they don't.

For example, I had a date Friday and, to my horror, I girled it up and was treated like a girl.  Now, that's my fault for buying into the whole gender thing, but I was annoyed that I felt like I had to do that.  >:(


on a side note, what the hell is up with bras these days?!  i bought a couple new ones and now every time i look down, i feel like sticking my chest out and saying "dandadadaaa! i have a breasts!"  geezus.  i want support, not a shelf.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 08, 2009, 03:33:05 PM
i could do with a cleavage, to hold my pens in.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 08, 2009, 03:33:05 PM
i could do with a cleavage, to hold my pens in.

hah!  Nice.  Underwire is killer though.

in fact, i'd like to imprison the sadist that created it and poke them all day long for at least 100 years


!!!  This is my 1,000th post!  :laugh:  And I posted about bras... ::)
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 08, 2009, 03:41:55 PM

I could do with a shelf to hold my milkshake.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: Rebis on February 08, 2009, 03:41:55 PM

I could do with a shelf to hold my milkshake.

Put a straw in it and you won't even need hands...
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: tekla on February 08, 2009, 03:46:16 PM
I drink your milkshake
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 03:48:55 PM
Quote from: tekla on February 08, 2009, 03:46:16 PM
I drink your milkshake

that would be a warm milkshake...
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nicky on February 08, 2009, 04:22:25 PM
This is going downhill fast

My milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard...... ;D
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: tekla on February 08, 2009, 04:24:23 PM
Actually for an Androgyne Thread the decay has been pretty slow.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Pica Pica on February 08, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
true, it took a whole 3 pages to get to drinking each other's breastmilk
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: tekla on February 08, 2009, 04:38:13 PM
I know, we're slipping, I think we all need a spanking.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Nicky on February 08, 2009, 05:28:42 PM
I must be of dirtier mind. Milkshake being slang for a sexual act.

Breastmilk is rather tasty though.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: tekla on February 08, 2009, 05:49:57 PM
I was thinking of the line from There Will Be Blood, not sex. I don't always think about sex.  I have one or two other thoughts in a day.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: tekla on February 08, 2009, 05:49:57 PM
I was thinking of the line from There Will Be Blood, not sex. I don't always think about sex.  I have one or two other thoughts in a day.

There Will Be Sex sounds like either a documentary or the porn version of There Will Be Blood.
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Shana A on February 08, 2009, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 03:41:26 PM
!!!  This is my 1,000th post!  :laugh:  And I posted about bras... ::)

OK, I'm waiting to see what subject your 2000th post will be  ;)

Z
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 08:15:31 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 08, 2009, 06:26:48 PM
OK, I'm waiting to see what subject your 2000th post will be  ;)

Z

>:-) There's no telling...
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Shana A on February 08, 2009, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 08:15:31 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 08, 2009, 06:26:48 PM
OK, I'm waiting to see what subject your 2000th post will be  ;)

Z

>:-) There's no telling...

500 thread hijackings later and we'll know the answer ...  ;) :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 08, 2009, 08:19:00 PM
500 thread hijackings later and we'll know the answer ...  ;) :laugh: :laugh:

Are you accusing me of being a threadjacker?

I am not a terrorist.  :icon_2gun:
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Shana A on February 08, 2009, 08:30:57 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 08, 2009, 08:19:00 PM
500 thread hijackings later and we'll know the answer ...  ;) :laugh: :laugh:

Are you accusing me of being a threadjacker?

Of course not... but if you post anything here, even on topic, the threads could make U-turns and end up about fish smoothies or who knows what... :laugh:

Just for example, what the heck was this thread about anyway  ??? oh right, milkshakes :laugh:

Z
Title: Re: Egocentric Androgynes (Video)
Post by: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 08, 2009, 08:30:57 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on February 08, 2009, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 08, 2009, 08:19:00 PM
500 thread hijackings later and we'll know the answer ...  ;) :laugh: :laugh:

Are you accusing me of being a threadjacker?

Of course not... but if you post anything here, even on topic, the threads could make U-turns and end up about fish smoothies or who knows what... :laugh:

:icon_pistoles:  I didn't think so.  >:-)

Quote
Just for example, what the heck was this thread about anyway  ??? oh right, milkshakes :laugh:

Z

Heh.  >:-)  Love for Z.  :icon_flower: