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Community Conversation => Non-binary talk => Topic started by: ZaidaZadkiel on February 14, 2009, 08:34:01 PM

Title: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: ZaidaZadkiel on February 14, 2009, 08:34:01 PM
http://www.bignewsday.com/story.asp?code=BZ345203T (http://www.bignewsday.com/story.asp?code=BZ345203T)

yo all should read this.
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: Pica Pica on February 14, 2009, 08:42:36 PM
yo eh?
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 15, 2009, 12:41:33 AM
I don't buy it.  One of the quotes in the article are "Yo put his foot up".  "Yo put his foot up"

Now try it in a real context;

Yo put Yo put foot up.

Besides "Yo" is just short for "you" or "your" like "Word to Yo' Mother"

Yo, tell yo mo I said "Yo!"     And yo be a ho!
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 15, 2009, 12:59:22 AM

I corrected the "yo put yo put up" line.  I meant foot.

Me tired.
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: KYLYKaHYT on February 15, 2009, 04:24:02 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 14, 2009, 08:42:36 PM
yo eh?

Oy. 
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: Shana A on February 15, 2009, 06:46:33 AM
Quote from: Rebis on February 15, 2009, 12:41:33 AM
I don't buy it.  One of the quotes in the article are "Yo put his foot up".  "Yo put his foot up"

I noticed that too!

IMO, Yo doesn't speak as easily as zie (or sie) and hir, or singular they.

Z
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: Yochanan on February 15, 2009, 09:39:26 AM
"Yo" is what people call me when they don't want to type out my name.
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 15, 2009, 01:41:38 PM

Yo is Yo.  We can honestly ask Yo what Yo is wearing.  Would Yo care for some sugar with Yo's coffee?

It works well if your name happens to be Yochanan         :laugh:
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: Nicky on February 15, 2009, 05:04:48 PM
I can see it working in certain parts of America, just can't see the rest of the english speaking world using it.

"Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum"
translated from the british means "three jolly noises and a bottle of rum"
translated from the American means "Your two protitutes and a bottle of rum"

Americans know how to party I tell y'all!
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 15, 2009, 09:07:17 PM

because we don't go to school.
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: Jaimey on February 15, 2009, 10:19:37 PM
Yeah, we're too busy shooting each other and hatin' them thur farners!
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: imaz on February 17, 2009, 10:03:41 AM
Can't see it working to be frank.

Gender is more than gender neutral pronouns, plenty of languages have gender neutral pronouns and things are the same even there! The context is still there in order to understand what is being said, it's a little like languages that don't use tenses but "time indicators" with one single tense.

Indonesian has "Dia" which means he or she ...


Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: Genevieve Swann on March 04, 2009, 06:13:54 AM
Yo is actually the spanish word for I as in me. Therefore gender neutral. "Yo soy transvestido." Please notice I used the verb soy and not estoy. Estoy is a transitory verb therefore not permanent. Soy is permanent. I shall always be a crossdresser(transvestido). I think yo is also a ebonics word for "hey you."
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: tekla on March 04, 2009, 09:27:19 AM
Half of New York City uses "YO" as in "Yo, Juliet, gets youse ass off that balcony and we'll go out for some clams."  It's hardly just a 'black thing' as the ebonics would suggest, though lots of rappers use it, as in "Yo Yo Yo Yo" because its a better space filler then "like" I think.
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: imaz on March 04, 2009, 09:28:40 AM
If one thinks about Italian the formal "you" singular is "lei" which also means "she"! Of course in reality this is because one is addressing their status (signorilita') which happens to be feminine noun...

Much easier to change gender in English perhaps! ;D
Title: Re: 'Yo' Being Used As 'Gender-Neutral Pronoun'
Post by: ZaidaZadkiel on March 13, 2009, 12:26:57 PM
Quote from: Genevieve Swann on March 04, 2009, 06:13:54 AM
Yo is actually the spanish word for I as in me. Therefore gender neutral. "Yo soy transvestido." Please notice I used the verb soy and not estoy. Estoy is a transitory verb therefore not permanent. Soy is permanent. I shall always be a crossdresser(transvestido). I think yo is also a ebonics word for "hey you."
It's more appropriate:
Yo soy trasvesti.

To use transvestido:
Yo estoy transvestido.

In mx spanish you can use trasvesti and transvesti the same. Like SicologĂ­a and PsicologĂ­a, both are the same word.

The other problem is that spanish has transvestido and transvestida (tho transvestida is rarely used), which are gender dependent, words ending in o usually are "male gendered" and words in a are "female gendered"

So Yo is neutral but transvestido is male gendered

Transvesti could be gender independent but it usually means "male who wears dresses"
And usually that includes "and doesn't pass"
So yeh.