Pray so Christians will not be silenced. Your free speech rights as believers are being targeted.
CMM News and Prayers (http://christsmandate.blogspot.com/2009/03/pray-so-christians-will-not-be-silenced.html)
Quote I have the privilege of praying in the State House building (equivalent to the State Capitol) once a month. In addition to praying for souls, we pray over many bills that are being brought before the state legislature. Currently the gay activists have at least eight bills they are trying to push through, including one that would make it a hate crime to publically speak or write against transgender and gay people, even in churches. Some of the gay activists here have been laboring hard in San Francisco.
It is my understanding that there is a resolution being considered in the United Nations that would completely silence Christians from sharing the gospel outside of their own country. If this passes and one is found guilty of it, the punishment could be death. The ACLJ is working on this--please pray for them.
We are living in very serious days. It would be tragic for many Christians to suddenly "wake up" and find their civil rights completely eliminated. Currently they are being eroded away. In Massachusetts parents do not have the right to remove their children from sex education classes which include gay, lesbian and transgender tolerance instruction. Please join me in praying for your state, our nation, and the United Nations resolution. And let's petition the Lord to wake-up His people and motivate them to pray.
It is my understanding that there is a resolution being considered...
Of course being some home schooled lazy ass you haven't bothered to find it out for yourself have you? Of course such a law would also stop Islam from preaching outside its borders too. Not a bad deal.
Ummm, small matter of enforcement? The UN even if the resolution is passed is gonna send troops and police to enforce such a thing, anywhere? hahahahahahahaha
And yes, "someone told me" the tip-off that something incomprehensibly stupid and untrue is about to follow!! LOL!!
Nichole
Yes, but will it get and keep the Mormons off my doorstep, the Jehovah's Witnesses away from my bus stops, and every other religious fool out of my life? Now, that's something I could support. Religion, like sex, ought to be something that people do in shame behind closed doors.
In Iceland (and many other Europian countries) our "free speech" does not extend to libel, hate-mongering, advocating violations of the rights of others, and stuff like that. We had a pastor arrested for preaching that "the gays" should be barred from society and that society would be better off if "the gays" were all dead.
From my perspective, this is not "less" freedom, but "more" freedom.
Ahh yes, fewer choices makes you more free. Got it. Matter of fact, we just had 8 years of that kind of thinking.
Don't put words in my mouth would you?
Well I sure don't see where fewer choices somehow more freedom. And what I do see as happening, frequently, is the laws are often turned against those they were intended to protect, so that when the early feminists in the late 60s/early70s spoke out against pornography one of the first things that got banned in a lot of places was the book Our Bodies, Ourselves, a feminist health manual - on the ground that it talked about female sexuality, and hence, was pornographic.
This is the way the law's been here for a rather long time. It's been effective in protecting people and making it illegal to (for instance) stage a protest with "god hate gays" banners at anyone's funeral.
This isn't about removing choices for the few, arrogant, self-rightious people, who love to spread hate, it's about protecting people. You are not allowed to stand in the street and tell people to go out and kill people, discriminate against people, or violate people's rights because of their sexuality, gender, etc. etc. etc..
It seems rather like common sense to us over here that you "can not" publicly condemn people for being "different".
On the other hand, Iceland has one of the most heterogeneous populations in the world, and you are not dealing with the kinds of differences that have been present in the States since oh, 1620 or so. I can take a short bus ride and on that bus hear at least 7 different languages spoken. There is no national language, no national culture, none of that stuff, so those 'freedoms' like freedom of speech and freedom of worship are critical to protect minorities. And hey, I kinda like the "God Hates ->-bleeped-<-s" folks, they sure make it a easier to disparage religion - like they are doing my work for me. And, should such a law come about (and I doubt it) I'm sure that rather than protecting people from strange religious thoughts, the first victims of it would be those who oppose religion who would be stopped from airing their thoughts on the matter.
Depends on how the law is constructed.
In Iceland, I am perfectly allowed to disagree with christianity in public, as long as I don't use personal attacks against the whole religion. I can talk about the flaws of christianity, but not go "All christians are paedophiles and ->-bleeped-<-s and should be shot!"..
Honestly, I don't see the problem with letting people say dumb things in public. It makes it that much easier to mock them. Homophobia cannot be defeated by legislation; with it out in the open, we can at least address it directly. The idea of outlawing *ideas* seems very mediaeval-Church to me, although you Europeans seem much more comfortable with it. And while one can say, "but the Holocaust really DID happen, we have witnesses and records and documentation", Church leaders in previous times could have asserted the same about their faith; in that culture, it would seem just as ridiculous to say that Jesus wasn't the son of god, or worse, that there was no god. Of course, Holocaust denial's ridiculous, and thoroughly refuted.
As far as anti-homosexual parents not being allowed to remove their children from parts of the corriculum that discuss homosexuality in a negative manner, I think that this is in line with US precedent: We allow people to hold racist views, but they aren't allowed to prevent their children from being educated about racial diversity.
As to those who make it their mission to evangelise, I cannot help but love them a little for their effort. Annoying as it may be, it's a step up from "improving" the world with violence.
Quote from: tekla on March 05, 2009, 09:30:32 PM
It is my understanding that there is a resolution being considered...
Of course being some home schooled lazy ass you haven't bothered to find it out for yourself have you? Of course such a law would also stop Islam from preaching outside its borders too. Not a bad deal.
Islam has borders?
Miniar kudos on electing the worlds first openly gay premier :)
As for the free speech issue in America, it seems to me anyway the emphasis is more on the right of anyone to say anything so as not to be *oppressed* whereas in Europe the words and context are more important, you can feel what you want but if you encourage hatred of other citizens and incite others to react like you you are acting beyond the law. The difference is in the US people seem to think that silencing the words is the same as discriminating against the person but in Europe they're viewed as 2 seperate issues.
Personally I prefer the European modal but obviously I'm biased.
Claire xoxo
SOCIALISM and COMMUNISIM at it's birth here in America. The U.N is a great part of America too, we started The SORRY ASS United Nations are determined to allow the destruction of democracy in any nation who desires to have it has it already.
It is written, One World Order. And the United States Of S/C is now on that path, thanks to the election of MR.CMMO-OBAMA..
Quote from: samantha1976ts on March 06, 2009, 12:19:16 PM
SOCIALISM and COMMUNISIM at it's birth here in America. The U.N is a great part of America too, we started The SORRY ASS United Nations are determined to allow the destruction of democracy in any nation who desires to have it has it already.
It is written, One World Order. And the United States Of S/C is now on that path, thanks to the election of MR.CMMO-OBAMA..
Eh?
Some of us find little wrong with Socialism or Communism for that matter. I grew up and spent my youth in and around the Italian Communist Party and various other parties of the left and I'm proud of my past.
As a transgendered person and as a Muslim I would rather take my chances with them any day than with the maniacs on the right.
Quote from: samantha1976ts on March 06, 2009, 12:19:16 PM
SOCIALISM and COMMUNISIM at it's birth here in America. The U.N is a great part of America too, we started The SORRY ASS United Nations are determined to allow the destruction of democracy in any nation who desires to have it has it already.
It is written, One World Order. And the United States Of S/C is now on that path, thanks to the election of MR.CMMO-OBAMA..
er.. what? where? how?
I live in a country with general healthcare, good unemployments and social support, and so on, and we are not socialist nor communist. You can be a democracy and still treat the lowest members of society like human beings.
Like I said before there is a very definite US/Europe divide on this topic (imaz I'm assuming you're italian)
Don't know why it divides this way all the time (social/society/history differences probably) but I do want to say condenming others for there beliefs is exactly what this topic was started in opposition to so please don't become like the people you *hate* so much :police:
This message is for everyone.
Claire xoxo
Quote from: Claire on March 06, 2009, 12:44:13 PM
Like I said before there is a very definite US/Europe divide on this topic (imaz I'm assuming you're italian)
Don't know why it divides this way all the time (social/society/history differences probably) but I do want to say condenming others for there beliefs is exactly what this topic was started in opposition to so please don't become like the people you *hate* so much :police:
This message is for everyone.
Claire xoxo
Hi Claire,
Who are these people I'm supposed to "hate" so much? (genuine, sincere question :))
oh yeah sorry i meant to explain but got sidetracked :P
I simply meant the language used in reference to socialism/communism/UN sounded to me like the language used in the original post quote from CMM News and Prayers and that intolerence to me all is the same people are entitled to their views and to express them to a certain degree and maybe I'm wrong but the tone of some posts are a bit too confrontational to support any kind of mature reasoned debate/discussion on the topic.
Hope that cleared up my thought process, damn guitar won't stop tempting me to play it in the middle of a post lol ;D
Claire xoxo
Cool, thought that was what you were saying.
No guitar for me today, spent three hours having to play the same bass riff for a friend who is singing tomorrow... It hurts even to type!
Take care
Quote from: tekla on March 06, 2009, 07:26:03 AM
Ahh yes, fewer choices makes you more free. Got it. Matter of fact, we just had 8 years of that kind of thinking.
Explain to me how you were personally persecuted in the last eight years and the rights you personally lost that impacted your life.
Or would you have preferred to be in another building like the Sears Tower if it was attacked.
I can tell you though how Mr Obama is going to change your freedoms. He seriously looking at socialized Healthcare. If your grandparents need a particular drug, and the ods are not with them then his plans would deny them the drug. This is serious as it impacts your right to live.
I actually work in the integration workspace and have spent 5-plus years working with some companies to become HIPAA Compliant. Becoming compliant involves major cost(s) that many small companies can not afford. Some of these small companies have innovative home grown systems that are profitable and effiecient, but let the government step in and force them to become compliant and these will go away. This man will rob us of our ability to innovate and grow small companies to be successful.
And a far as the Socialist/Communist slant, I developed a product that has many commercial uses, but also a passive use for the military that assisted in saving lives. This has been at great expense to me, and my family, but the new patent reforms that Mr. Obama is trying to push thru would all but rob the future of inventors like myself. This will be a truly sad day.
Daisy
Nothing wrong with a country having a decent healthcare system accessible by all in need. It's hardly Stalinism!
Quote from: tekla on March 06, 2009, 07:40:08 AM
Well I sure don't see where fewer choices somehow more freedom.
It's the freedom FROM -- from deviants and deviance, from people and things and ideas that make us uncomfortable, from the fear that their children could CATCH our deviance. It's freedom from uncleanliness. It's freedom from not being able to hit back at what you're deathly afraid of.
...and the hits just keep on comin'!
=K
I dont judge others for there way of life and the way they live, but when you look back on history of other country's living by communisim and socialisim it does not work never has and never will, I do not my country the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which so many have died for in past wars trying to defeat them who lived like that, it is not for the Gov, to riule us and control our lives. when the Gov wants to take from me and give to those that dont want to work, or pay a morgage that they should have never gotten in the first place, I dont make much as it is, but I worked for what i got.
I do not want Washington telling me who I should give some of my earnings to. nor should you.
We are not Russia,Old Rome,France, and many more, we are Americans and freedom and true Democracy are what we really are.
We need to understand that and not travel the ways of the others countrys,
that have been there.Everyone of those nations were destroyed from within because of there Gov. And now we are going to find out what it really is to be brought to our knees.
Im not Republican,Democrat, but the Liberals are tearing this Country apart with there socialistic thinking and so forth.
And we need to stand up and do whats right for each and everyone who want freedom of CHOICE.
I will keep my guns,money,dreams,hopes,and home you can kkep the CHANGE.
STOP STEALING OUR MONEY,
STOP LYING TO US
STOP THE WASTEFUL SPENDING
STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DONT HAVE.
STOP TELLING US THAT WE CANT PRAY,
STOP ALL THE BULL->-bleeped-<- THAT IS DESTROYING US.
JUST STOP IT.
WE DONT WORK FOR YOU WASHINGTON, YOU WORK FOR US.
>:(
Quote from: tekla on March 06, 2009, 08:05:46 AM
On the other hand, Iceland has one of the most heterogeneous populations in the world, and you are not dealing with the kinds of differences that have been present in the States since oh, 1620 or so. I can take a short bus ride and on that bus hear at least 7 different languages spoken. There is no national language, no national culture, none of that stuff, so those 'freedoms' like freedom of speech and freedom of worship are critical to protect minorities. And hey, I kinda like the "God Hates ->-bleeped-<-s" folks, they sure make it a easier to disparage religion - like they are doing my work for me. And, should such a law come about (and I doubt it) I'm sure that rather than protecting people from strange religious thoughts, the first victims of it would be those who oppose religion who would be stopped from airing their thoughts on the matter.
That example doesn't translate as easily when you start talking about the UK or South Africa or Australia - all melting pots themselves.
Freedom of speech is absolutely important, but in the same way that there are rules on this board about personal attacks and incitement and stuff, society needs them too. Freedom goes hand in hand with responsibility otherwise those freedoms eventually get lost, and freedom of speech does not extend to inciting violence against individuals, or hate speech or any of the rest of it. Saying something like:
"According to the teachings of my religion, homosexuality is wrong. I live by those precepts, so I cannot condone what you do, but I realise you have the same freedoms I do." is very different from "God hates f@gs and they should all die in hell!"
The one is freedom of speech, the other most assuredly not.
Quote from: samantha1976ts on March 06, 2009, 10:29:51 PM
I dont judge others for there way of life and the way they live, but when you look back on history of other country's living by communisim and socialisim it does not work never has and never will, I do not my country the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which so many have died for in past wars trying to defeat them who lived like that, it is not for the Gov, to riule us and control our lives. when the Gov wants to take from me and give to those that dont want to work, or pay a morgage that they should have never gotten in the first place, I dont make much as it is, but I worked for what i got.
I do not want Washington telling me who I should give some of my earnings to. nor should you.
We are not Russia,Old Rome,France, and many more, we are Americans and freedom and true Democracy are what we really are.
We need to understand that and not travel the ways of the others countrys,
that have been there.Everyone of those nations were destroyed from within because of there Gov. And now we are going to find out what it really is to be brought to our knees.
Im not Republican,Democrat, but the Liberals are tearing this Country apart with there socialistic thinking and so forth.
And we need to stand up and do whats right for each and everyone who want freedom of CHOICE.
I will keep my guns,money,dreams,hopes,and home you can kkep the CHANGE.
STOP STEALING OUR MONEY,
STOP LYING TO US
STOP THE WASTEFUL SPENDING
STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DONT HAVE.
STOP TELLING US THAT WE CANT PRAY,
STOP ALL THE BULL->-bleeped-<- THAT IS DESTROYING US.
JUST STOP IT.
WE DONT WORK FOR YOU WASHINGTON, YOU WORK FOR US.
>:(
As far as I know nobody's stolen your money, wastefully spent resources or lied to you except the very bankers, brokers and industrialists the "free market" idolises. Them and the government that supported them.
And nobody has said you can't pray.
Socialism =/= Fascism.
Communism does not have a great record in the world, but that is BECAUSE it was combined with centralised power leading to Fascism. You can have Capitalism combined with Fascism equally well ... just look at China nowadays. Communist Russia and Nazi Germany were mortal enemies, but they were both Fascist regimes.
Rights and freedoms come with responsibilities attached to them if one wants those to be preserved, one of the main responsibilities being to do your best to guarantee those rights and freedoms for everybody else in your society. One has to, because the only reason society exists is for mutual advantage, and as soon as a section of the society no longer enjoys those advantages, they will destabilise that society. Making sure that everybody has the basics - healthcare, good education and the ability to not starve makes the world safer for everybody.
I'm not saying take from the rich and give it all to the poor, but I'm sure you'll concede that economic inequality gets passed down from parents to children because those kids don't get the same access to quality food, education and healthcare. In a truly free society kids should at least be given the same opportunities in life - they didn't create their situation.
Mina.
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As far as I know nobody's stolen your money, wastefully spent resources or lied to you except the very bankers, brokers and industrialists the "free market" idolises. Them and the government that supported them.
Quoted for so much truth.
I'd love to know what's wrong with France, may Dad was born there and it's never seemed that much a terrifying totalitarian state to me.
Is it the headscarf (hijab) in school business? So what, Tunisia forbids headscarves in public/state buildings and it's a majority Muslim country. I'm Muslim and I actually think it's an excellent law.
Communism isn't all that bad, my old city council was communist run for many, many years and imperfect though they were, they certainly ran it better than the Christian Democrats who preceded them.
Communism per se does not equate lack of democracy. You are confusing it with Stalinism sometimes known as State Capitalism.
No offence but your own country is far from perfect, the shame of segregation was in my lifetime not to mention the ovethrowing of democratically elected governments by covert means around the world, Cile/Gen. Pinochet and so on.
As for governments in general may I quote you an Italian saying - "Piove, governo ladro" ("It's raining, thief of a government")...
Imaz are you some sort of international spy, you have connections to everywhere lol ;)
I always thought the main difference between fascism and communism in real life was the attitude to economic policy (fascism = free/ish market, commy=state control) other than that both were socially opressive and Ultra-nationalistic. The remains of communism today are very different from stalinism/maoism. Marx created his ideas as an economic model not a political one for all thats worth now.
The headscarf thing in France is'nt discrimination coz you can't wear a cross either there is total seperation of church and state. Turkey is the same and is predominantly Muslim too.
Claire xoxo
The thing is,.. most versions of government have "similar" amounts of freedoms, the difference is in what freedoms you have.
The freedom to choose which brandname of jeans you buy, or the freedom to be promised government jeans even if you can't afford to "buy" a pair...
(Excessively simplified ofcourse.. and generalized.. but you know what I mean.)
Quote from: Claire on March 07, 2009, 07:46:50 AMI always thought the main difference between fascism and communism in real life was the attitude to economic policy (fascism = free/ish market, commy=state control) other than that both were socially opressive and Ultra-nationalistic.
Not quite. In its simplest form, communism simply advocates communal ownership of the means of production. The way Marx envisioned it it was stateless, with society functioning through mutual cooperation and by sharing produced goods equally.
Basically, communism, like every other system, can either tend towards fascism, with control in the hands of fewer and fewer people, or libertarian, with control more and more equally distributed. The extreme of fascism is a totalitarian state with a dictator in control. People have limited freedom but also limited responsibility. The extreme of libertarianism an anarchist state where everybody has maximum freedom and responsibility and everybody has equal control.
Incidentally, Marx saw Socialism, which advocates state control of the means of production, as a transitional state between capitalism and communism.
Mina.
Quote from: Claire on March 07, 2009, 07:46:50 AM
Imaz are you some sort of international spy, you have connections to everywhere lol ;)
I always thought the main difference between fascism and communism in real life was the attitude to economic policy (fascism = free/ish market, commy=state control) other than that both were socially opressive and Ultra-nationalistic. The remains of communism today are very different from stalinism/maoism. Marx created his ideas as an economic model not a political one for all thats worth now.
The headscarf thing in France is'nt discrimination coz you can't wear a cross either there is total seperation of church and state. Turkey is the same and is predominantly Muslim too.
Claire xoxo
Unfortunately, or is that fortunately, not!
Benito Mussolini himself defined Fascism as "State Corporatism". Communism is it's latter Soviet form is often defined by those of a Trotskyist leaning as "State Capitalism".
As for Nationalism I would not say that is inherent to Communism at all. Internationalism is at the heart of Communist ideology, Communism in one country is IMO destined to failure, Internationalism is the way forward whatever one's political ideology.
As regards religion, Trotsky wrote a very interesting pamphlet on it, it bears remembering that the world's biggest producer of Qur'ans in the '70's & '80's was the Soviet Union!
"Incidentally, Marx saw Socialism, which advocates state control of the means of production, as a transitional state between capitalism and communism."Exactly :)
Separation of state and religion is absolutely necessary IMO, I'm a big fan of the Indonesian state's philosophical ideology - "Pancasila". Sadly it's noble ideals have yet to be realised.
Off to sleep for a while, I'm absolutely knackered...
Take care,
imaz x
You're both right I said in my post that marx created primarily an econoimic policy not a political one, he had no desire to be a dictator who controled everything he wanted that control in the hands of the greatest number of people possible but it is only in theory that it worked this way as the people in power IRL wanted more and more control and acted in very fascist way to get and keep it. Not all theries pan out and Comunism was just another failed model but just coz they failed doesn't mean they should never have tried in the first place.
That was the point I was trying to make, I hope I explained it better this time.
Claire xoxo
Hmmm...
A true comunistic state has never successfully been implemented because they turn into dictatorships within the first few years. Those nations that have tried it eliminated elections right off the bat.
A true capitalistic state has never succssfully been implemented because there are certain basic services and rights that must be protected.
To argue one against the other is fruitless because there has never been good data from successful implementation to draw from.
It all boils down to what we feel our inalianable rights actually are. In Great Britain for example, they believe that access to healthcare is a right garanteed to all its citizens. Here in the US, we do not believe that is the case. We believe that you have to earn that privelage. It is noteworthy that once upon a time we did sign a treaty as a charter member of the UN that we support the "rights" of Americans to health care. But hey... so what... we love to break treaties.
Free speech? I say let people say what they want. I'd rather have a group marching up and down the road with signs than have them penned up in a secret hall somewhere making clandestine plans to make everyone go to clown school. I do not believe that we should silence those who wish to profess their religion. I also do not believe that we should allow the religious right's blow convince us to not pass necessary legislation.
What I DO NOT WANT to see is facism. And we've been heading down that road for the past decade. I don't want corporations running my country. It puts too much power in to the hands of the greedy.
Cindi
The closest true socialism I know is the US military. An E-1 gets paid as all other E-1s whether they work on nuclear reactors or clean tiolets. All get the same medical care and wear a uniform. Tekla, I told the mormon missionaries that there are Hondurans living in my neighborhood. They have not been back since. A mormon was killed in Honduras about 5 years ago. He tried to be a hero. If an armed man asks for your money just give up the money. The hero didn't know that basic rule.
moderation in all things - Taoist guide to living a good life(dunno wat its called :P)
That being said a Church steeple with a lightning rod on top betrays a huge lack of confidence ;D
Claire xoxo
Quote from: Claire on March 09, 2009, 06:03:16 PM
....a Church steeple with a lightning rod on top betrays a huge lack of confidence ;D
Not everyone attending need suffer for the priest's actions (
architect's thought) >:-)
You never know when god feels like reaching out and smiting something. Odd how somehow the architects made the churches into the biggest lighting collector in every area they were built in.
And the lord sure do work in some mysterious ways dag'nabit. Why when he reached out and smote old San Francisco back in Ought Six, every single church and synagogue was leveled, shock and then burned to the ground, smoldering heaps of ashes each and every one of them. But, the Hotaling's whiskey warehouse and distillery was saved! Praise god, for that is a mighty god to be sure.
as was written at the time in 1906:
'If, as they say, God spanked the town
For being over frisky,
Why did He burn the churches down
And save Hotaling's whiskey?'"
Quote from: tekla on March 10, 2009, 10:48:17 AM
You never know when god feels like reaching out and smiting something. Odd how somehow the architects made the churches into the biggest lighting collector in every area they were built in.
Well, they do that on purpose you know? Masons ... Freemasons ... Architects ... They're all in it together, evil vain creatures who mislead the faithful with pretty pictures and high intellectual talk, but what they really hope for is lightning on a Sunday morning, the heathens.
Mina.
Ahh a vast and all inclusive sweeping conspiracy to insure that everything happened just the way it did, and this is all the result of a grand plan. I'm always buying into those.
When I hear about "hate speech" being criminalized, I can't help but think of all the times I've heard the term applied by right-wingers to GLBT or atheist rights advocacy.
I look at it this way - for any given law or governmental power, I try to imagine the consequences of giving it not just to the current administration, but to every administration after that.
Unless we want to start outlawing religions and political parties, what's to stop these disagreeables from rolling back into power at some point and bludgeoning us with the anti-hate speech laws we supported?
Quote from: samantha1976ts on March 06, 2009, 12:19:16 PM
SOCIALISM and COMMUNISIM at it's birth here in America. The U.N is a great part of America too, we started The SORRY ASS United Nations are determined to allow the destruction of democracy in any nation who desires to have it has it already.
It is written, One World Order. And the United States Of S/C is now on that path, thanks to the election of MR.CMMO-OBAMA..
First of all, you probably should know that the US has NEVER been a democracy, but is a representative republic. Secondly, the one world order crap is the talk of Christian Dominionists that have controlled the government (i.e. ran the government into the ditch) for the past eight years. The talk of socialism and communism is silly when looked looked at our history. Ever hear of "Social" security, Medicare, FIDC, your local trash pickup, Medicaid, and on and on and on. This country has been quasi-socialist since the late 1930's, and I'd venture to say that this country is a MUCH better place.
what's to stop these disagreeables from rolling back into power at some point and bludgeoning us with the anti-hate speech laws we supported
There is something I find funnier than hell, that in the early 70s, when feminists lobbied for stronger porno laws, (and got them), one of the first books to be banned just about everywhere that got into banning books was Our Bodies, Ourselves.
Quote from: samantha1976ts on March 06, 2009, 10:29:51 PM
I dont judge others for there way of life and the way they live, but when you look back on history of other country's living by communisim and socialisim it does not work never has and never will, I do not my country the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which so many have died for in past wars trying to defeat them who lived like that, it is not for the Gov, to riule us and control our lives. when the Gov wants to take from me and give to those that dont want to work, or pay a morgage that they should have never gotten in the first place, I dont make much as it is, but I worked for what i got.
I do not want Washington telling me who I should give some of my earnings to. nor should you.
We are not Russia,Old Rome,France, and many more, we are Americans and freedom and true Democracy are what we really are.
We need to understand that and not travel the ways of the others countrys,
that have been there.Everyone of those nations were destroyed from within because of there Gov. And now we are going to find out what it really is to be brought to our knees.
Im not Republican,Democrat, but the Liberals are tearing this Country apart with there socialistic thinking and so forth.
And we need to stand up and do whats right for each and everyone who want freedom of CHOICE.
I will keep my guns,money,dreams,hopes,and home you can kkep the CHANGE.
STOP STEALING OUR MONEY,
STOP LYING TO US
STOP THE WASTEFUL SPENDING
STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DONT HAVE.
STOP TELLING US THAT WE CANT PRAY,
STOP ALL THE BULL->-bleeped-<- THAT IS DESTROYING US.
JUST STOP IT.
WE DONT WORK FOR YOU WASHINGTON, YOU WORK FOR US.
>:(
This is why people need to do everything they to make their voices heard.
Gennee
I don't think anyone is telling people they can't pray.