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Just out of curiosity. I want to know what you other guys think about phalloplasty.

Well I'm MTF, and regarding myself and others, I'm a big fan of natural genitals whatever their sex. :)

QuoteSuppose a phalloplasty were offered to you for free, all risks associated with current medical technology still apply.

Would you do it?

Nope. a dick dont make me a man. I know what I am & I'm cool with what I got. I dont wanna change it. everythin works cool  8) 8) & I'm happy w/it. if somethin aint broken dont fix it.  8) 8)

Quote from: Chris on April 10, 2009, 02:32:10 AM
Nope. a dick dont make me a man. I know what I am & I'm cool with what I got. I dont wanna change it. everythin works cool  8) 8) & I'm happy w/it. if somethin aint broken dont fix it.  8) 8)

Exactly :)

Same as Chris. I like what I got.

I don't particularly like what I've got--in fact, it's kind of gross much of the time--but it works really well when I want it to and just the thought of a phalloplasty makes my skin crawl. No thank you!

While I don't like what I have, I can live with it. I also do not believe a penis makes you a man so NO .
Myles

If the operation was completely and utterly flawless - definitely.
But with the way the results look now - no way.
I'd rather have a vagina that works than a dick that doesn't.  :)

Well its not working forever for bioguys, as Willie Nelson said on the occasion of his 75th birthday: "I have outlived my dick."

I've actually become more comfortable with what I already have. I doubt I'll be getting any kind of surgery down there, free or not.

QuoteYou would take it.

I am wanting a phallo, however the abdominal flap method.

When it comes to that point, and I am happy. I will recieve my bottom surgery for free anyhow. If I choose NHS option and I am comfortable with the surgeon.

Quote from: Chris on April 10, 2009, 02:32:10 AMIf somethin aint broken dont fix it.  8) 8)

It is broken :(

Guess I had to be the odd one out eh?? :P

Jay

Quote from: Jay on April 13, 2009, 04:54:50 PM


Guess I had to be the odd one out eh?? :P

Jay

Nope u aint odd. everybody's different. Some ppl want surgery some ppl dont. surgery or no surgery if ur happy ur cool ;) ;) ;)

I wouldn't take it. I'm probably one of those rare transmen who actually don't want a penis

Yuck. Don't want a zombie penis. Or anything fake like that.

I would take a real, functioning penis in a heartbeat though.

Quote from: northy on April 14, 2009, 04:57:50 PM
I would take a real, functioning penis in a heartbeat though.

me too

I wouldnt hestitate - if it was free I would take it in a heart beat!

I agree with the statements having a penis doesnt make you a man - thats very true. You dont need one to be a guy.

But having a vagina sure doesnt help either! ->-bleeped-<-s with my head too much.

It would be great to be able to have a real penis that can "perform" properly and all that stuff, but they dont have that avaliable yet. If its not avaliable by the time I am ready - I'll just get whatever is avaliable. If someone were offereing it for free - I'ld think it was the  greatest thing ever!

Quote from: imaz on April 10, 2009, 02:13:50 AM
Well I'm MTF, and regarding myself and others, I'm a big fan of natural genitals whatever their sex. :)

with the metoidioplasty (without urethral hookup), everything is the real parts and in working order.  all it does is release it so that it can stand up.  for a bio guy, i imagine it to be like popping a boner in a really tight pair of underwear.  just wont let it stand up!  i just want my underwear surgically removed.

Quote from: Chris on April 14, 2009, 02:16:36 AM
Nope u aint odd. everybody's different. Some ppl want surgery some ppl dont. surgery or no surgery if ur happy ur cool ;) ;) ;)

Exactly. I wouldn't have one just to make me a man. As I don't believe you need to have a penis to be a man. 

If I couldn't get a phallo, I would seriously think about getting meta. :)

Jay

Re wanting a real one: Well I'm happy to swop what I've got for what you've got, we would both be happy  ;)

But I agree, genitalia do not define the sex. I reckon all my brothers on this site are really cute guys, and I luv'em lots :-*

Cindy James

Quote from: Nor on April 10, 2009, 10:17:23 PM
I'd rather have a vagina that works than a dick that doesn't.  :)

yup that's how I feel about it. if I could get a fully functioning dick then yeah absolutely I'd do it. but not with the options that are available right now, I'm content enough with what I have

Yes, absolutely. In fact, as I'm in the UK, phallo will be covered by the NHS anyway. I'm intending to go to Belgium for mine, and have my consultation there in July.

Interestingly, before I started T, I was pretty sure that I wouldn't want a phallo (or any other lower surgery). However, the more comfortable I become in my body, due to the effects of T and top surgery, the more I am aware of the fact that I'm missing something. Even though the technology isn't perfect, I need to have the best that IS possible in order to feel "whole".

I'm well aware that some guys are happy without any lower surgery, and that meta is the best option for other guys, but for me it just has to be phallo.

:)

Nope. I will NEVER have a phalloplasty. I have enough difficulty thinking about top surgery, though I know I'll have it once I have the means. However, I only had a problem with not having a penis before I'd actually learned how to utilize what I do have. What I have works fine, and the last thing I'd ever do is give it up to have a frankenpenis and a disgustingly disfigured arm... but more power to the guys who want it... it's a personal choice, certainly.

Sadly, the only way I'm getting a penis is if I magically wake up one morning with one, or if they ever perfect penile transplants. I won't hold my breath.

SD

Quote from: Flameboy on April 19, 2009, 02:44:49 PM
In fact, as I'm in the UK, phallo will be covered by the NHS anyway. I'm intending to go to Belgium for mine, and have my consultation there in July.

Is the NHS covering the surgery in Belgium? Did they do it with out a fight? Also what surgery/surgeon are you using? As I heard they put up a fight for funding surgery outside of the UK. And want you to use Dr Ralph but I have heard bad comments from him. Also do you know what technic he uses? For-arm, abdominal?

cheers

Jay

Quote from: Jay on April 20, 2009, 04:10:02 AM
Is the NHS covering the surgery in Belgium? Did they do it with out a fight? Also what surgery/surgeon are you using? As I heard they put up a fight for funding surgery outside of the UK. And want you to use Dr Ralph but I have heard bad comments from him. Also do you know what technic he uses? For-arm, abdominal?

cheers

Jay

The NHS has funded quite a few phallos in Belgium now, so there's a precedent been set. I haven't actually applied for my funding yet, but I'm confident that I'll get it. You have to get your GP to write to the Specialised Commissioning Board (I think that's what it's called) on your behalf - my GP is very supportive and happy to do that. I've arranged the consultation myself, because it's not very expensive - I haven't yet had a referral from Charing Cross, but again, I'm confident of getting that - my next appointment there is actually a couple of weeks after my appointment in Belgium.

The surgeon is called Prof Monstrey, at the University of Gent hospital. I've seen a number of his results, and heard nothing but good things about him. Over there, they do the surgery in one procedure, followed by the implants (scrotum and erection device) as an optional second stage 12 months later, rather than the 4 stages they take to do the surgery in London. This would be particularly good as it would minimise the amount of time I'd need to have off work.

I've heard very mixed things about Mr Ralph's surgery. Some people are very happy with the results, whereas others are, erm, less so. A mate of mine had his done at the end of last year, and it didn't work and had to be removed again - so he's now been left with a big forearm scar and nothing to show for it. :( I've never heard of that happening with the Belgian team.

Having said that, I might also request a consultation with the London team, as they're so much nearer and easier to get to, but I'm pretty set on going to Belgium, so if Charing Cross say that would mean I can't apply for funding for Belgium I won't bother.

The Belgian team use 2 techniques; firstly, the forearm technique (similar to the London team) and secondly, a joint forearm and thigh technique - the outside of the penis is taken from the thing, and the urethra is made from the arm. This obviously leaves less visible scarring, but is not suitable for everyone - I think it depends on how much fat there is on the thigh. I'm hoping that will be possible for me, but I'm not sure it will be - I ain't exactly the skinniest guy in town!

Hope that helps mate! If you want any more information, I'm happy to answer any questions as best I can.

:)

Thanks Flameboy! PM sent ;)

Jay

I went to a meeting at the Q Center last night for Transguyz (the  official name) and the topic was surgery. When the discussion came to bottom surgery both guys were heading to Belgium to have theirs done. They both seemed to have researched the procedures and different Dr. quite a bit and felt that the Belgium team was by far the most knowledgeable best at this surgery. They did say there was a two year waiting list at one point.
Myles

Quote from: Josh on April 15, 2009, 03:43:11 PM
with the metoidioplasty (without urethral hookup), everything is the real parts and in working order.  all it does is release it so that it can stand up.  for a bio guy, i imagine it to be like popping a boner in a really tight pair of underwear.  just wont let it stand up!  i just want my underwear surgically removed.

What he said, 'cept I want the urethral hookup.  And a complete vaginectomy, as I find the whole thing rather useless to me (kudos to those who can actually use it, though) and the thought of it being there just messes with my head.

And, maybe TMI, but... though small, the 'glans' after awhile on T is incredibly well-formed...  Seems like a part that would be difficult to accurately reproduce with a phallo...  BTW, there is a photo of a guy who had 'paramedical tattooing' of his phallo on Transster.  It actually does a lot for improving realism.  He had the shadow of some veins added and it looks like the glans graft might have been darkened a bit, too.

Quote from: Jay on April 20, 2009, 01:22:26 PM
Thanks Flameboy! PM sent ;)

Jay

I got your PM Jay, but I can't send PMs yet I'm afraid. I do have MSN though - if you PM me yours then I'll add you, since I can't send you mine!

:)

Quote from: Nor on April 10, 2009, 10:17:23 PM
If the operation was completely and utterly flawless - definitely.
But with the way the results look now - no way.
I'd rather have a vagina that works than a dick that doesn't.  :)

Exactly. I agree. I would want it only when it's flawless. It doesn't even have to come with a sac of balls either. Just most surgeries look really wrong in the end.

I wouldn't.  I've yet to see a phallo that looks good that hasn't needed countless revisions to fix aesthetically.  Metas tend to be much less of a hassle.

I voted for the medioplasty(spelled wrong?)

I don't really care if it is super small, so long as I can pee through it, get it hard naturally, and grab it

I dont want phallo, I dont want huge scars on my arms, and I dont want to have to pump it, or whatever it is you have to do to get it hard.

OK so a big debate in my head sounds like this...
Meta - yeah small but MINE, the right tissue doing what it does getting hard etc as a bio guys does, possible damage to feeling but less likely than with phallo, but might not be enough for penetration and may still need that sort of help in the bedroom, possibly no bulge in pants and very different from male or female genitalia
Phallo - 'normal' size, need a hand to get hard, easy penetration, scars on other body parts depending on procedure, unsure of resulting feeling, bulge in pants, possible ugly - seems to be an aesthetically hit or miss surgery, male genitalia
My question in here is does it feel like nothing having sex with a phallo?? Or is it like after I please my partner I need to attend to the little guy another way?? Anyone have any ideas??
Jay

I'm not sure I want any sort of procedure. I'm worried about issues that may arise and then I'm not too sure I want a penis. I think about it a lot though. I think of what it would be like to actually stand and piss on my own. That's about it though. I'm happy sexually in my own way, but I do get some dysphoria on occassion.

So no, I wouldn't want surgery I suppose.

I am very uncomfortable with my genitals now. I mean, how can I be comfortable with female organs if I am male? Also, its much easier for people to think I am female unless I have male parts (i dont just mean in nudity sense, but just regular public) Also, when it comes to having sex, or even masturbation or anything like that, I can't do any of it until I am completely male, as in having my male parts. Bottom line, very uncomfortable with my genitals right now, bothers me every day.

Apparently the surgeons at Gent in Belgium generally expect metoidioplasty patients to actually return later at some point for phallo. o:

I also found this report, which is pretty interesting: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413887 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413887)

They claim that out of 27 evaluated phallo patients, all were able to orgasm 'during any sexual practice' (which obviously isn't strictly penetration). I'm surprised that fewer MtF patients were able to. :O

wow oh really? jeez everyone that talks about phallo  says how its impossible

I think dicks are funny looking, and rather extraneous in general. I'd prefer to just keep what I have, without any strange growth from T.

Quote from: rexgsd on March 14, 2010, 06:19:54 PM
wow oh really? jeez everyone that talks about phallo  says how its impossible

on another forum I am a part of there are quite a few people trying to dispel this myth. It is possible to retain feeling if the phallo is done correctly.

Short answer: heck yeah.

Long answer: I don't plan on getting a phalloplasty, but a metoidioplasty?  Definitely.  I'm 0% comfortable with what I have, it grosses me out that it's attached to me and functions how it does.  It's not about some impetus to conform to binary gender standards...been there, done that, realized I was being an idiot and there was more to it...but plain physical awkwardness.  I couldn't care less about performative masculinity, but my body gives me trouble.  A lot of trouble.  I also don't care if it's small, as long as it's there and it works.

I've debated this..and i still am lol.
Theres alot of pro's and cons to go with it, the majority being cons.
The fact it might come off, of the blood supply would stop and it would have to come off scares me crap outta me.
So i would probably choose another method.

Quote from: Carson on March 23, 2010, 07:49:04 AM
on another forum I am a part of there are quite a few people trying to dispel this myth. It is possible to retain feeling if the phallo is done correctly.

This is very true, and it's not just Prof Monstrey that does the new clitoral nerve hookup method Dr Ralph & his team on the NHS now offer this and it works amazingly well.

Phallo as a surgery has both pros and cons, but so far the only major con i have experienced would be the scarring on my arm, but how well that heals is purely down to the individual of course. Of course if you are lucky enough to have a PCT that will redirect your NHS funding to Ghent and Prof Monstrey's team you'll be able to benefit from the new arm/thigh phallo combo which has less obvious scarring and with all the pros of the nerve hookup, etc.

Unless phallo improves significantly over the next few years I wouldn't consider it. For me there are too many things that could go wrong with it. I've seen pictures of one which had to be removed-end result: no penis and unsightly arm and thigh scars. Even if it was successful I'm still not keen on the aesthetics of a phallo, it looks a bit too much like a raw sausage.

Quote from: j83 on April 05, 2010, 07:10:35 PM
Of course if you are lucky enough to have a PCT that will redirect your NHS funding to Ghent and Prof Monstrey's team you'll be able to benefit from the new arm/thigh phallo combo which has less obvious scarring and with all the pros of the nerve hookup, etc.

Although it does have its cons as well as its pros - a friend of mine who had the arm/thigh combo a couple of years ago says he would have had the arm only one if he had to start again - largely (I think) due to the difficulty of trying to heal 2 large areas at the same time.

Also, not everyone can have the arm/thigh combo - you need to have very little fat on your thighs for it to be possible. I had a consultation there last year, and was told I wasn't a suitable candidate for it.