Hey,
Hope everyone is alright and no-one's contracted or been affected by the nasty swine influenza outbreak in Mexico and the US.
Stay safe, everyone.
Will xox
Oh I'm sure its beyond the USA and Mexico now, it got to New York, one plane to Europe, and hey, there you have it.
I know, they've reported cases in Spain, Colombia and Israel, 10 New Zealand students have probably caught it, and they're worried about it in Queensland, but by far the largest number of infected and deceased is in Mexico. :-\
There are cases in England and Scotland as of yesterday...
www.drudgereport.com (//http://)
top left part of the page has 16 links and growing.
this swine is a worldwide traveller. It's even in New Zealand.
Quote from: imaz on April 27, 2009, 12:51:00 AM
There are cases in England and Scotland as of yesterday...
First bird flu, now Swine influenza! :-\
Take care everyone :-*
Jay
It's in Australia. Doesn't sound a good thing.
Cindy James
All I can say is that us Muslims and Jews are right about pigs...
The revenge of the animal, because people slaughter them.
This isn't a "pig flu" in the same sense as the bird flu, that is to say, you don't catch it from pigs, you don't have to even eat pork to get it, it's originated in pigs before it migrated to man and it is spreading between humans.
The last plague-flu originated in swine as well.
We are over-due for a plague, and this might very well be it.
I hope all you good folks keep safe and survive this, but I half expect it to wipe out a fair number of people.
I'm not worried/scared though, as I don't really see death as a "bad" thing, it's just a natural part of living.
Media hype as usual. Entertainment as we know it.
Mexicans are dying. EVERYBODY PANIC.
Quote from: imaz on April 27, 2009, 07:22:04 AM
All I can say is that us Muslims and Jews are right about pigs...
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Well we've had Bird Flu so it's only right to have Pig Flu...
Guess you have to be British to follow that one ;) (not that I'm suggesting that all men are!)
Quote from: lisagurl on April 27, 2009, 10:49:10 AM
Media hype as usual. Entertainment as we know it.
Agreed. Would anyone really care if there was not 24/7
doomsday coverage by tv and news sites? If you see somebody sneeze then run for the hills! Flee flee! Or just hand them a tissue. Whichever works for you.
This is my favorite part of the swine flu-- everyone with this extremely common set of symptoms are going to be flooding ERs across the globe. it's a bad week to break your leg.
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I don't think it could possibly be as bad as "man-flu" ;)
I've had 2 separate strains of the flu in the past month, and I'm still alive. I still fail to understand why the media is considering this swine flu bit an epidemic, considering the microscopic percentages of people who have contracted it thus far. I suppose all the hype is due to its high death rate... but most likely, it'll go the way of the long-hyped bird flu: much ado about nothing.
SD
Quote from: Sebastien on April 27, 2009, 07:44:12 PM
I've had 2 separate strains of the flu in the past month, and I'm still alive. I still fail to understand why the media is considering this swine flu bit an epidemic, considering the microscopic percentages of people who have contracted it thus far. I suppose all the hype is due to its high death rate... but most likely, it'll go the way of the long-hyped bird flu: much ado about nothing.
SD
Yes but, and it's a big but... Bird flu didn't have human to human transmission.
I suppose all the hype is due to its high death rate
30% is very high. And in case you forgot, or never knew in the first place - the last time we had a real bad flu (which was very close the the current strain:
It is estimated that anywhere from 20 to 100 million people were killed worldwide, or the approximate equivalent of one third of the population of Europe, more than double the number killed in World War I.
On the plus side - at least for me - is that like that flu people your age were far more at risk than people my age are.
I have to say its a bit scary considering how many people are dieing in Mexico. I feel for those peoples family's. I do think all the media Hype is scaring people. Admittedly me at first. I stepped back and thought about it and I read about it and figured that if i start to feel sick i'll go to my dr. No use living in fear. You only live once why waist it worrying right ^_^
Well, the real risk is that now that its out it could combine with a drug resistant strain, then its boom boom, out go the lights, as this is an air born virus, one that can live outside the host for a bit, that's what makes it very bad.
I have a bit of a sore throat. If I have this flu, horror of horrors, I may get mildly ill, and then, *gulp*, arg, I can hardly bear to think it... make a full recovery! Oh tourturous swine of a disease! The terror!
:P
This is like Bird Flu and SARS all over again, only even more pathetic.
Clearly, news isn't news unless people can get into a hysterical frenzy over it.
Well I was in Asia for the bird flu, glad I am back in the states for Swine Flu. A friend tried to get her son into the doc today but they are only seeing patients who think they may have Swine flu. Sometimes I think if we spent money teaching people to calm down and not panic things might not spread literally and figuratively so fast and things might actually be accomplished and diseases stopped faster.
Myles
I do know this is serious in some respects, I have a friend who works for the WHO in Cambodia heading up a pandemic team there.
Quote from: myles on April 28, 2009, 06:33:04 PM
Well I was in Asia for the bird flu, glad I am back in the states for Swine Flu. A friend tried to get her son into the doc today but they are only seeing patients who think they may have Swine flu. Sometimes I think if we spent money teaching people to calm down and not panic things might not spread literally and figuratively so fast and things might actually be accomplished and diseases stopped faster.
Myles
I do know this is serious in some respects, I have a friend who works for the WHO in Cambodia heading up a pandemic team there.
Bird Flu can only be caught from birds so unless you're in a chicken market in Indonesia you've nothing to worry about.
This virus can be caught anywhere...
I was also there for another one, can't remember the name of it but the avian one is the one that came to mind as it was there also. Everyone from the states was panicking for me but the people that were dying was from being improperly treated by doctors in rural areas not from the disease itself. I have not read of any confirmed deaths in the US to date. Not saying it can't be passed from people but proper treatment can help and we have the ability to provide that. Now if it becomes a drug resistant strain then we have a problem. My theory is a lot of things can be caught Japanese Encephalitis, Malaria... should we be concerned about Swine Flu maybe, but we shouldn't panic.
Myles
From Wikipedia
The Avian Flu claimed at least 200 humans in Indonesia, Vietnam, Laos, Romania, China, Turkey and Russia.
200 deaths compared to the 35,000 deaths from common influenza every year in the US alone?
BTW Avian Flu is still around in Indonesia but the authorities are doing their best to stop things getting out of hand. Nasi Goreng Ayam anyone? ;)
In the end I wish there was no flu at all of any kind. I was actually looking for that common influenza number earlier as I had seen it and was amazed , but i had to take my son to Taekwondo so couldn't find it in time! Amazing 35K deaths!
Have a nice night,
Cheers
Myles
Its about 140 miles from where I live. Not surprising at all that Florida's first case is in the Orlando area.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19311020/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/19311020/detail.html)
For the latest headline links, www.drudgereport.com (//http://)
On the plus side its about 70F, breezy, low humidity.
Downside... I have a sore throat, that could be the Camel Lights however.
Mich'
note to self....quit smoking you idiot.
35K, or 65K including (as the CDC does, other upper respiratory stuff that is flu related) is a lot, but not a huge number.
Here are the stats, per year.
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
* Heart disease: 652,091
* Cancer: 559,312
* Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 143,579
* Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 130,933
* Accidents (unintentional injuries): 117,809
* Diabetes: 75,119
* Alzheimer's disease: 71,599
* Influenza/Pneumonia: 63,001
* Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 43,901
What makes this different, and what worries people is:
a) a 30% fatality rate, striking mostly people in the 20s-30s, which is for some reason unknown, a pandemic marker. Most flu deaths in that normal 35K year to year deal is very young (babies) and very old (infirm) persons. The real killer strains target and kill the MOST HEALTHY persons in the population, as this one is doing.
b)Speed of movement. It moved very fast, no doubt at this time, its beyond control - thank airplanes for that, and in this case, Spring Break in Mexico, where most of the US cases came from.
c) swine based. There are two types of flu viruses that can make the jump from animal hosts to humans that wind up killing. One is from pigs, the other from birds (Avian flu). Like the 1918 pandemic, swine based ones tend to be worse.
d) airborne. The worst kind. Look, viruses are a long established life form on this planet. Way older than humans. And like all life forms, as Malcomb in Jurrasic Park would have it "Life finds a way." They mutate, change, evolve even. If it would cross with an avian strain, it would be very bad. Airborne viruses can live for a while outside the hosts, and that is very dangerous.
e) OK, one for the old people here. When do you get flu shots? Late fall right? Because the flu season tends to be when? Winter. January/Feb tend to be the height of the infections. This one is starting in early spring, so it could continue into summer, and again, somehow (and no one understands why) the viruses that can survive into summer tend to have the worst effects.
Its not time to panic yet, but its good to be prudent. And its nothing to pass off. Sure, we get them all the time, but when they start to rock and roll, well.
The 1918 pandemic killed some 25 million people in the first few weeks, or about the death rate for AIDS in the 25 year history of that virus.
I'm investing in the companies that sell hand sanitizer, with a few shorts in case this thing hopefully fizzles out!!!
Quote from: tekla on April 28, 2009, 11:44:23 PM
the viruses that can survive into summer tend to have the worst effects.
Viruses survive better in cold weather. If they can survive warm/hot weather, they might be hardier than normal and that could make them have worse effects.
Quote from: tekla on April 28, 2009, 11:44:23 PM
35K, or 65K including (as the CDC does, other upper respiratory stuff that is flu related) is a lot, but not a huge number.
Here are the stats, per year.
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
* Heart disease: 652,091
* Cancer: 559,312
* Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 143,579
* Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 130,933
* Accidents (unintentional injuries): 117,809
* Diabetes: 75,119
* Alzheimer's disease: 71,599
* Influenza/Pneumonia: 63,001
* Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 43,901
What makes this different, and what worries people is:
a) a 30% fatality rate, striking mostly people in the 20s-30s, which is for some reason unknown, a pandemic marker. Most flu deaths in that normal 35K year to year deal is very young (babies) and very old (infirm) persons. The real killer strains target and kill the MOST HEALTHY persons in the population, as this one is doing.
b)Speed of movement. It moved very fast, no doubt at this time, its beyond control - thank airplanes for that, and in this case, Spring Break in Mexico, where most of the US cases came from.
c) swine based. There are two types of flu viruses that can make the jump from animal hosts to humans that wind up killing. One is from pigs, the other from birds (Avian flu). Like the 1918 pandemic, swine based ones tend to be worse.
d) airborne. The worst kind. Look, viruses are a long established life form on this planet. Way older than humans. And like all life forms, as Malcomb in Jurrasic Park would have it "Life finds a way." They mutate, change, evolve even. If it would cross with an avian strain, it would be very bad. Airborne viruses can live for a while outside the hosts, and that is very dangerous.
e) OK, one for the old people here. When do you get flu shots? Late fall right? Because the flu season tends to be when? Winter. January/Feb tend to be the height of the infections. This one is starting in early spring, so it could continue into summer, and again, somehow (and no one understands why) the viruses that can survive into summer tend to have the worst effects.
Its not time to panic yet, but its good to be prudent. And its nothing to pass off. Sure, we get them all the time, but when they start to rock and roll, well.
The 1918 pandemic killed some 25 million people in the first few weeks, or about the death rate for AIDS in the 25 year history of that virus.
I think the 1918 virus came in two waves, one in spring and one in autumn... It was the second wave that was devestating.
According to the news here in UK those suffering from it have been quarantined but have been unable to access Tamiflu despite our government boasting that it has doses for 50% of the population. Frankly knowing the slowness and bureaucracy of our healthcare system and the fact that the doses will of course be distributed first to "key workers" I doubt it will be available to the general public.
Maybe I'm confused. From what I have read this present virus is a combination of bird, swine and people flu. The CDC considers flu virus to be extremely dangerous because it can mutate 20,000 times by the time it spreads across one major city. I'm not worried. If the Mayans were right we'll all be gone in Dec. 2012 anyway.
Hi
Of course they were right.
They are extinct.
just got the date wrong.
:-* kissess hun
I'm not knocking you
CJ
Of course, if you don't watch TV, no panic.
I'm looking forward to it, They are predicting 40% of Londoners will catch it. If 30% of those die, I might actually get a job at last....I'm nearly serious about that comment.
A lot of sense in that Pica. There are some very real reasons that the Renaissance followed the Black Death Euro Tour.
Well, If I survive (Okay I am 20-30, shake many people's hands, travel public transport and bite my fingernails - i am however a pretty tough ol' boot) I want to be part of this renaissance.
Quote from: Pica Pica on April 29, 2009, 01:53:56 PM
I'm looking forward to it, They are predicting 40% of Londoners will catch it. If 30% of those die, I might actually get a job at last....I'm nearly serious about that comment.
I'm a Londoner and that adds up to 1,000,000 dead in London alone. You shouldn't even be nearly serious about that. It's very, very wrong. Think about it.
I understand that is very serious. But all this speculating will get us no where. Wash your hands, cover you mouth when you cough take your vitimins and relax. If its going to happen its going to happen. All we can do is live. ^_^ IMHO
:)
Kill all the pigs worldwide and that would be the end of Swine Flu, God Willing.
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Thats mean!!! You can't kill off the little piggies.
How do we know thte little piggies didn't get it from humans?
1. It ain't just the pigs, and I'm sure not going to kill off an entire species just because of some gonzo religion.* I suppose you would kill off all the birds too.
2. It's not doubt a lot of hype, and little substance to date - but there are enough bad indicators that would dictate some attention be paid to it. Also, that does not mean that people in positions of power, authority or expertise should not be listened to, or prudent measures should not be taken.
* and to me, all religions are gonzo religions
Quote from: tekla on April 29, 2009, 07:35:15 PM
1. It ain't just the pigs, and I'm sure not going to kill off an entire species just because of some gonzo religion.* I suppose you would kill off all the birds too.
2. It's not doubt a lot of hype, and little substance to date - but there are enough bad indicators that would dictate some attention be paid to it. Also, that does not mean that people in positions of power, authority or expertise should not be listened to, or prudent measures should not be taken.
* and to me, all religions are gonzo religions
You're going to turn me into a Ts Jihadi! ;)
Americans have had bad luck with all that stuff, 9-11, Jonestown, the Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, the KKK. Rational thought heals, religious thought flies planes into buildings.
Quote from: imaz on April 29, 2009, 07:01:45 PM
Kill all the pigs worldwide and that would be the end of Swine Flu, God Willing.
Actually, this isn't at all true. Now that the flu can be transmitted between humans, even if you kill all the pigs the flu will still be around in human carriers. It would make no difference.
FYI, Tekla, it's in San Francisco now. WOO!
http://www.sfcdcp.org/swineflu.html (http://www.sfcdcp.org/swineflu.html)
Its going to be everywhere, that's why it's a level 5, one step short of a pandemic. A lot of that is due to what is called 'the airline effect' all you need is one sick person in an airport, and there you have it.
Its all just natures way of trying to balance its self. My two cents worth.
Quote from: tekla on April 30, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
Americans have had bad luck with all that stuff, 9-11, Jonestown, the Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, the KKK. Rational thought heals, religious thought flies planes into buildings.
Come on now Tekla, not all religious people are homicidal. I've never met one who is.
Not all, but far more than enough. It's not like it forces it, but it sure gives a lot of folk a running head start on the process.
I could reply that your armed forces and the commercial interests behind them have killed hundreds of us Muslims for every one of your Christian lives lost... Somehow I suspect you would deny these well known facts.
For anyone who is concerned that they may have swine flu, there is a web-based test.
http://doihaveswineflu.org/ (http://doihaveswineflu.org/)
Hell no, we depend on it. The last bunch of idiots who attacked the US got nuclear weapons dropped on them - not once, but twice. I thought everyone knew that we were overarmed and very violent. And your wrong, it was not about 'christians' or any other religion. Its about attacking the US. We don't care about religion, we care about Americans.
But, we did save a lot of followers of Islam there in the Balkans. I suppose that as the pope once said, god will know his own.
Quote from: Mister on April 30, 2009, 06:03:02 PM
For anyone who is concerned that they may have swine flu, there is a web-based test.
http://doihaveswineflu.org/ (http://doihaveswineflu.org/)
LOL that's great!!!
Regardless of anything else, I'm kind of glad I don't have shows this weekend, I'd just as soon stay out of large indoor crowds.
QuoteCome on now Tekla, not all religious people are homicidal. I've never met one who is.
But the latest polls say that the majority of religious people have no problem with torture.
Hey Lisa, last time I got dragged into some religious deal having to listen to these fairy tales about some big imaginary friend in the sky who is all about love unless you don't believe in which case, well, that's a smiting, I thought it was torture myself.
Quote from: lisagurl on April 30, 2009, 08:11:40 PM
But the latest polls say that the majority of religious people have no problem with torture.
Is that in the US? If so that's a majority Christian response.
Unfortunately us Muslims might feel different as it was our brothers in Guantanamo. :)
Quote from: lisagurl on April 30, 2009, 08:11:40 PM
But the latest polls say that the majority of religious people have no problem with torture.
someone was trying to convince me that torture was okay and i was very surprised that they were offended at my calling them a Nutzillah. But anyone who believes in torture as fine and dandy
is a Nutzillah - no way around that.
I wrote an essay last year on torture, and learnt things I wish I didn't know and could forget. The only only only time it's alright is when it's like this.
Monty Python - Spanish Inquisition Torture Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJYkY#lq-lq2-hq)
RAmen.
Quote from: Pica Pica on May 01, 2009, 05:54:23 AM
someone was trying to convince me that torture was okay and i was very surprised that they were offended at my calling them a Nutzillah. But anyone who believes in torture as fine and dandy is a Nutzillah - no way around that.
Well said :)
Unfortunately people can really turn into monsters as the Stanford Prison Experiment showed...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment)
Unfortunately us Muslims might feel different as it was our brothers in Guantanamo.
However, somehow women and kids in Israel getting zapped by Katruska rockets doesn't seem to bring down any big Islamic condemnation. That's the trouble with religion, way too subjective.
That's the trouble with religion, way too subjective.
True dat! Now add politics (such as it is) and sex and you pretty much have all the things that we get most blind about. :) Suppose that'a why smiting becomes okay and torture too? Ya just don't see things the "right" way? :)
Nichole
Quote from: tekla on May 01, 2009, 12:02:45 PM
Unfortunately us Muslims might feel different as it was our brothers in Guantanamo.
However, somehow women and kids in Israel getting zapped by Katruska rockets doesn't seem to bring down any big Islamic condemnation. That's the trouble with religion, way too subjective.
A hundred eyes for an eye, that's Israeli justice. Check the body count.
Same goes for Iraq, a couple of thousand die in 9/11 so why not lets go and invade the place and cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.
They're only Arabs after all...
It's "Katyusha" BTW.
Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.
Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.
Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.
When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.
I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.
In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.
So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war
Bob Dylan, 1963
ANYWAY, back to the H1N1 influenza, it's not as bad (at the moment) as many other illnesses, but neither is it a walk in the park. And I hate the media hype about it - yes, it's serious, but I doubt cool, collected, objective reporting of WHO updates caused Perth pharmacies to run out of facemasks...
There is no media hype about it if you don't let the media into your home. Blow up your TV.
There'd still be media hype, you just wouldn't experience it as much, although with all the talk about it at work, in the streets etc. you're not going to be able to avoid it. That's part of the whole success of media hype, it's incredibly hard to avoid, it spreads through people, and panic, like the flu, is contagious. It doesn't take much to get a group of people going, no matter what precautions individual members of said group take to avoid it. The writers of Men in Black had a point when they wrote "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it"... Not that I'm saying people here are stupid or whatever, just that media hype is hard to avoid, and can be dangerous on group mentality.
Though blowing up TVs sounds like fun...
Just gone out and bought 100 face masks! Wondering whether to wear one on the London Underground today?
Should get me a seat pretty quickly! ;D
I'm sick with the flu. It's not this strain, I don't think... still, better safe than sorry.
An alternative to blowing up the TV = Don't watch the news.
Imaz
Particularly if you carry a little stuffed pig :laugh:
CJ
Actually I'm not feeling that good the last couple of days... :o
This school about a block away from my house is closed down for seven days because one of its students, who recently went to Mexico, has the flu.
Heh, well...
Well, my son and ex wife did come back from Mexico in January! ;D
I'm more worried about zombies taking over the globe than swine flu.
All I can say is someone way up in the pharmaceutical business is making big bucks off of promoting swine flu this much.
Probably someone with the brand name medicines Relenza or Tamiflu.
News services, Fox Radio, are reporting first confirmed death in Texas.
I've read that the greater fear at this time is the South American winter. This "bug" has the oppurtunity to travel south for winter. Mutate into a super-bug, and come roaring back into North America for the fall/winter flu season.
An ominus parrell to the 1918 pandemic that killed close to 100 million people. Thank God we have some time to devolope a vaccine.
Hoorray for capitalism and free-market medicine/pharmocuticals.
note to self: research bio-tech type co. tomorrow.
If it's real, I doubt if we can come up with, and market a cure in time.
Hasn't the swine flu occurred before? Like in 1976 and haven't we blamed people south of the USA border for it's spread before? Or was it East Asians at that time? *sigh*
Personally, I'm more worried about a pandemic of hysterical fear than much of anything else.
Nichole
WOW Nichole, you're getting your wish.
Quote from: Nichole on May 06, 2009, 01:26:51 AM
Hasn't the swine flu occurred before? Like in 1976 and haven't we blamed people south of the USA border for it's spread before? Or was it East Asians at that time? *sigh*
Personally, I'm more worried about a pandemic of hysterical fear than much of anything else.
Nichole
What I pointed out is simple mechanics of biology and virolence.
South America contains more confined, urban populations. That still have large access to international travel and shipping.
Flu viruses often winter in the Southern Hemisphere and than return to the Northern Hemisphere as a much stronger strain.
Sorry but I can't change the fact that seasons are reversed based on latitude.
Nor can I go back in time and change the course of history.
Maybe options trading would be a better bet with this one.
QuoteNews services, Fox Radio, are reporting first confirmed death in Texas.
They will not say the true cause of death other than that teacher had other health problems. Could it of been AIDS?
Quote from: lisagurl on May 06, 2009, 09:08:46 AM
They will not say the true cause of death other than that teacher had other health problems. Could it of been AIDS?
Possibly, the HIV/AIDS population is going to affected by this virus more than those with uncomprimised immune systems.
Quote from: michellesofl on May 06, 2009, 12:15:10 PM
Possibly, the HIV/AIDS population is going to affected by this virus more than those with uncomprimised immune systems.
QuoteThe woman had been hospitalized with complications from the flu since April 14, and died earlier this week, said Doug McBride, a spokesman for the state health department. He said that other members of her family had undergone testing and none were known to have contracted the flu.
eeeep, there's swine flu in my hometown, where I still work.
reeeeeeeeally glad I'm on vacation (and 20 miles away) for the next week...
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