Is there a term for someone who is Gender Queer to the point where not just the lines between genders is gone, but the concept of gender just doesn't exist for that person?
An associated belief that can sometimes develop from such person is that gender is purely made up and another one of humanity's foolish constructs. That person may think that everyone is crazy for going along with such nonsense; that some kind of mental "feeling" called gender identity makes them want to act and look like the "gender" they "feel" like, as it is thought to be.
That person sees no point in limiting appearance and behavior to any 1 gender, since there is no reason to, except for peer pressure.
So, what kind of person would that be? I'd say it's Gender Queer, but that doesn't seem specific enough.
Maybe neutrois, but that don't seem to hit it either...
maybe you can make one up - i suggest 'clean-slate' at the moment's spur but I spose the others could do better.
After a bit of searching, the term that most closely resembles it is Gender Anarchist, but it's not exactly the same thing, as Gender Anarchy is more of an idea than a type of natural disposition...
Quote from: Pica Pica on May 10, 2009, 06:35:29 AM
maybe you can make one up - i suggest 'clean-slate' at the moment's spur but I spose the others could do better.
I guess neutrois/agender + gender anarchist is pretty close to that type of person.
so, maybe we could make up a term like
neutanarchist, or,
agenderist, or just a full term like
Neutral Gender Anarchist.
I think I like the word Void in this case though, so how about
Gender Voidist, or ..
Voidrois? :P
Gender apathetic, gender austere, gender ascetic, etc.
I've also heard a-gendered and gender-neutral.
that depends on how you feel in the extreame-ness
if you are Not Male /Female it might be Nuter :-\ spell ??? or nullgender
if you are Both Male & Female it might be Pangender
and if those don't fit make yourself a different term
Quote from: Kinkly on May 10, 2009, 12:52:17 PM
if you are Not Male /Female it might be Nuter :-\ spell ??? or nullgender
NullGender, that's it. We have a winner. :)
A simplified version could be nugender.
I'd say NullGender could be the next step after agender; agender being someone who doesn't feel like male of female, and nullgender being someone who feels like gender, in
everyone, doesn't exist.
I hadn't actually looked into Neutrois; apparently it's someone transgendered, who strongly associates with their neutral gender, and often do feel the need to transition, in which case transition means to feel/express neither male nor female.. . It's cool that I found that term because I can actually relate to that, and that type of body disphoria. I'd say I'm partly Neutrois myself. :o Thanks for bringing it up Pica. Can't use it as a label, but still it's interesting to know.
from the wiki
https://www.susans.org/wiki/Androgyne (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Androgyne)
QuoteMany androgynes identify as being mentally "between" male and female, or as entirely genderless or the Third Gender. The former may also use the term ambigender or intergender, the latter null gendered, non-gendered or agender. They may experience mental swings between genders, sometimes referred to as being bigender or gender fluid. Some experience severe enough gender dysphoria that they seek HRT or surgery to bring their body more in line with their internal gender, or lack thereof.
and from https://www.susans.org/wiki/Null_gender (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Null_gender)
QuoteA Null-Gendered person is someone that feels their gender does not include aspects of being a male or aspects of being a female. There is sometimes a strong emphasis on the rejection of gender stereotypes concerning behavior and traits. Null-Gendered people sometimes like to just describe their gender as being just me implying an emphasis on the fact that specific gender categorizations are unneccesary considering the complexity of people and their behaviors.
An easy way to categorize Null Gender behavior would be to describe them as exhibiting basic human behaviors such as common sense, decency, etc without getting caught up with association to expected behaviors of other genders.
Quote from: Zythyra on May 10, 2009, 02:51:51 PM
from the wiki
https://www.susans.org/wiki/Androgyne (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Androgyne)
Androgyne is broad enough to cover alot, that's cool.
But, For someone who doesn't experience any swings, or any dysphoria (since gender doesn't exist for that person), I don't think it would be considered androgyne, or would it?
I don't see why not. Seems to be inclusive of a big range of people in the tween. I see it as the space outside of the box rather than in it.
I tried to explain adrogyny to my friends once, i just got called android all day.............
I know what you mean, I've kind of stopped seeing people as gendered too... I think it's healthier than just labelling people as this or that. It all started when I met a friend who liked to find ways to categorise people and then he would search for aspects of them that could make them fit into his little boxes. At this point I realised how stupid labelling was and started to challenge the fact that I also have certain ideas about what males and females were like, and by thinking of people as 'male' or 'female', I almost stopped seeing them as they truly were, just interpreting most of their behaviour in light of them being 'male' or 'female'. So from then onward I try to have no assumptions and just see them as whoever they are. 8) Yeah... it is way easier to say than to do, but I'm getting pretty good at it!
And as a result, I myself am trying to see myself as 'just me' (at a point in my life where it would be unhelpful to say the least to 'come out' as androgyne) and not care too much how I present at particular points in time. It's odd, but interesting. :-\
Anyway, ooh, new terms! I'm off to do some research... :D *Is a massive gender geek*
Hey Fenrir, you reminded me of a book I read when I started my gender exploration. (By the way, if you're curious, I've come to the conclusion that gender's just goofy, but that's me.) It's called "What Happened to Lani Garver?" by Carol Plum-Ucci. Look it up on Amazon or something. It deals with gender anarchy, categorising people into "boxes", a fairy (maybe); you might like it.
Cheers!
Oh, and welcome to anti-gender! *Hugs!* :D
~ Burgundy ~
Thanks, Burgundy! *Hugs* More to add to my titanic list of books to get when I have the funds... :P I read the preview on Amazon and it looks really well-written and interesting, so that is definitely going quite high up on my list. ;D
As for gender being goofy, I see where you're coming from, but (negative stereotypes aside) gender can also be a beautiful thing. Fun to mess with, too. Or is it just people's perceptions we are messing with? Who knows...? :D
Hi...We have been talking about this. terms & lables . on our u k forum. i really dont like them or useing them as it seems to start all kinds of aguments . . so i see a person . wether male or female or ,,,, for me i am a mix of both. try explaining your a andro ... oh yea ,,,,,,so i just say i.m a women with a male back ground ... oh....okay ,,,,, a lot less trying to explain . i.m a ,,,,,,, yea yea .. any way what do i know .... i.m just me ....yes a bit hard at times ......
...noeleena...
Quote from: noeleena on May 25, 2009, 07:46:05 AM
Hi...We have been talking about this. terms & lables . on our u k forum. i really dont like them or useing them as it seems to start all kinds of aguments . . so i see a person . wether male or female or ,,,, for me i am a mix of both. try explaining your a andro ... oh yea ,,,,,,so i just say i.m a women with a male back ground ... oh....okay ,,,,, a lot less trying to explain . i.m a ,,,,,,, yea yea .. any way what do i know .... i.m just me ....yes a bit hard at times ......
...noeleena...
Andro, male, and female can all be boxes. Fenrir makes a good point. You are who you are, just as I am who I am. If I listen to you, I will find who you are. If we listen to me we can both discover who I am--or better yet, who I am becoming. Boxes are for government forms and marketing surveys.
S
Quote from: Simone Louise on May 25, 2009, 07:47:36 PMBoxes are for government forms and marketing surveys.
and for shipping packages via UPS ;)
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on May 25, 2009, 08:06:35 PM
and for shipping packages via UPS ;)
Z
Sorry, I am on vacation this week. My colleagues can handle your boxes this week; I'll be back the next.
In Arizona, feeling the heat,
S