Putting the bone part aside which cannot be altered no matter what, can it change the flesh part, size and form of your nose?
Nope. Most of the 'flesh part' is cartilage and isn't going to change unless you get a rhinoplasty.
depends I guess, I have noticed change where my nostrils are, a little "plumper"
I wish so, but no.
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In a word, No. But that is what rhinoplasty is for.
Janet
Quote from: Shelina on June 03, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Putting the bone part aside which cannot be altered no matter what,
"Bone" issues are addressed thru Facial Feminisation Surgery (FFS).
Basic for just about all of us is the aforementioned rhinoplasty, beyond that a good FFS surgeon can work wonders. Even miracles.
HRT, good make-up techniques, hair style and a nip tuck or two take time. Notice that I listed going under the knife last.
Mich'
I thought cartilage, such as in the ears and nose, grew throughout a person's lifespan. Although I doubt that estrogen would change a woman's nose shape, could it not be possible that Testosterone, in female to male transsexuals, would change the size and shape of the nose, insofar as being more "masculine"? After all, those changes do occur through puberty in young males, and also throughout life in everyone.
Quote from: Adrian on June 27, 2009, 12:55:12 AM
I thought cartilage, such as in the ears and nose, grew throughout a person's lifespan. Although I doubt that estrogen would change a woman's nose shape, could it not be possible that Testosterone, in female to male transsexuals, would change the size and shape of the nose, insofar as being more "masculine"? After all, those changes do occur through puberty in young males, and also throughout life in everyone.
On T, my nose is wider. Most definitely. Pre-T on left, 5 months on right.
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Quote from: Adrian on June 27, 2009, 12:55:12 AM
I thought cartilage, such as in the ears and nose, grew throughout a person's lifespan. [...]
Nope, the reason they look larger on the elderly is because of the relative dehydration and reduction of meaty tissue on the face. The opposite of which is why...
Quote from: Eryk on July 05, 2009, 12:47:27 AM
On T, my nose is wider. Most definitely. Pre-T on left, 5 months on right.
...Eryk's nose looks wider (note his entire upper body and face is fleshier). This has nothing to do with bone/cartilage change.
Quote from: finewine on July 05, 2009, 01:10:42 AM
...Eryk's nose looks wider (note his entire upper body and face is fleshier). This has nothing to do with bone/cartilage change.
So wouldn't it stand to reason that when on E, the nose becomes less fleshier? Ive seen a lot of before and after pics and I can notice a small subtle difference in noses on MTF's. I think the changes on FTM's is bigger but still...
Quote from: Lori on July 05, 2009, 07:55:56 AM
So wouldn't it stand to reason that when on E, the nose becomes less fleshier? Ive seen a lot of before and after pics and I can notice a small subtle difference in noses on MTF's. I think the changes on FTM's is bigger but still...
Not quite - the presence of one phenomenon doesn't necessarily predicate the inverse. However, you are correct in that the distribution and storage of fats does differ. Females deposit fat in different places and shallower than males - the hormone regimen will influence this (so yes, on E you'll get chicken wings, hips & buttocks, on T you'll get a fleshier face and fat is stored deeper in the abdomen ... eventually causing a pot belly). Of course I'm generalizing - individual variation will occur.
Quote from: Shelina on June 03, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Putting the bone part aside which cannot be altered no matter what, can it change the flesh part, size and form of your nose?
No!
I agree that No is the answer, with a caveat as Eryck shows. On T and on E your fat distribution will change, and your muscle tone will change. These are independent variables with diet and excercise regime both having a strong influence. So, if you change your body shape or your facial shape due to muscle and fat deposit or removal, your features will change. No you may not have gotten a bigger or smaller nose but your facial features have changed and that's what makes your nose look different.
Actors may this by losing massive amounts of weight (who was the last Batman and see his previous movie and compare facial expression).
Your bone structure will not change, unless you transition before puberty hits, (still regret that I tried this and failed to convince M&D), but your fat and muscle distribution will affect how you look.
If you want to alter bone structure you need a surgeons grinding wheel, hammer and crowbar.
MTCW Cindy
Probably not the cartilage but it can change the skin appearance, texture, softness and maybe even color (probably!).
The cartilage AND BONES can all be changed, by surgeries.
The "can't be changed no matter what" phrase is really getting old and tiring, most definitely incorrect too.
Quote from: michellesofl on June 03, 2009, 05:52:38 PM
"Bone" issues are addressed thru Facial Feminisation Surgery (FFS).
Basic for just about all of us is the aforementioned rhinoplasty, beyond that a good FFS surgeon can work wonders. Even miracles.
HRT, good make-up techniques, hair style and a nip tuck or two take time. Notice that I listed going under the knife last.
Mich'
The only thing I really dislike about my face (besides the squared and uneven jaw lines) is that my nose sticks out to east jesus. I just took a picture last night that I think is really, really cute but oh my god I could blind people with my schnoz. Stupid profile shots. :embarrassed:
At least nose jobs are one of the oldest and most popular cosmetic surgeries. Of course, they still get botched...
Quote from: finewine on July 05, 2009, 08:16:40 AM
on E you'll get chicken wings
Huh? I don't think I've gotten these yet. Where will they grow?
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on July 27, 2009, 03:01:25 AM
Huh? I don't think I've gotten these yet. Where will they grow?
Oh sorry, I should clarify "chicken wings" to mean the fatty deposit around the underside of the arms that, with *age*, can sag...for an extreme example:
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The skin on my nose has always been red and I dislike having to use so much make-up to cover it. the make up soaks in before long so for me it's an issue. I was hoping my skin tone would become less red over time (with estrogen). Not really a question of form but skin tone :P
There's a time in one's life when hormones have a dramatic effect, before the body has stopped growing. Taking E or T at the age 12 will have a totally different effect than taking it when you are 42 or 52.
What results you experience depends on your DNA and at what age you begin hormone therapy.
Julie
Trans women, not really.
Trans men, yes, absolutely, the nose will start to gain some mass if you transition in your twenties.
My nose is already a bit bigger/wider and my jaw squarer. 3.5 months on T, age 47!
My nose has defiantly gotten wider, I used to have a tiny little nose however its now much wider than before.
But like other people say its got nothing to do with the cartilage changing just the fat.
Jay
Not for mtfs.
Testosterone causes irreversible bone thickening (and yes, bones can thicken at any age.)
Any pre-male puberty mtf will not have a feminine nose because of estrogen feminizing the face. It's testosterone not dramatically masculinizing it.
Sorry, if it bothers you you've gotta get rhinoplasty.
SilverFang
really off topic and unhelpful...but Eryk you are very hot haha!
Quote from: Shannon on October 09, 2009, 11:12:55 PM
The skin on my nose has always been red and I dislike having to use so much make-up to cover it. the make up soaks in before long so for me it's an issue. I was hoping my skin tone would become less red over time (with estrogen). Not really a question of form but skin tone :P
I have the same issue. I think it involves circulation and such. My plastic surgeon told me that certain lasers with a green light emition, I believe, can be used on the nose to lessen this reddening of the outer layers of the skin. Is it worth a couple of thousand dollars? I don't know. IF I had the $, I would do it. It the meantime, consealer works fine.
HRT won't change anything, and especially not your nose form. I think some people's expectations board on the realms of fantasy and I blame journels and people who write about this stuff.
T does widen and enlarge your nose. But making your nose smaller, nope estrogen apparently doesn't do that.
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 14, 2009, 08:18:30 AM
HRT won't change anything, and especially not your nose form. I think some people's expectations board on the realms of fantasy and I blame journels and people who write about this stuff.
Hey if you're going to be a negative creep about everything then STFU. Just because your expectations were not met doesn't mean others wont. Lighten up already.. seriously.
Quote from: Shannon on October 14, 2009, 08:17:08 PM
Hey if you're going to be a negative creep about everything then STFU. Just because your expectations were not met doesn't mean others wont. Lighten up already.. seriously.
I don't think she's the one that needs to "lighten up" here.
I am lightened up, but thanks for asking! I just don't like seeing people going from thread to thread posting personal experiences like they're the be-all-end-all of the topic. Guess I should of used more emoticons :D :D :D :D
*gives SilverFang a warm hug against his will* mmwwhahaha!
Well yeah but there's a difference between asserting a subjective opinion as fact and pointing out a biological reality. Don'tcha think you were perhaps just a teeny, weeny bit aggressive? :)
Personally I don't think I was, I can be 'aggressive', my post, wasn't (to me, so sorry) I do think it was firm though, I call it tough love. Maybe if I took out the STFU or put a :D :P after it it would sound 'nicer'. BUT anyway.
This is 'nice' though, if someone thinks you are aggressive then the point you are making is overshadowed by it. So what is worse me using a STFU without a happy emoticon or someone going around on several threads posting multiple negative posts trying to deflate everyone else's opinions. We'll leave that to subjective opinion. ;D ;)
Quote from: Shannon on October 14, 2009, 08:17:08 PM
Hey if you're going to be a negative creep about everything then STFU. Just because your expectations were not met doesn't mean others wont. Lighten up already.. seriously.
I understand and take on board what you are saying Shannon but so many TG forums mask the reality and limitations of HRT and can miss inform people of what can and can't be achieved. I've been in transition for well over a decade and have a lot of experience and have met a lot of TG people over the years. I have seen the limitations of 'transition' over and and over again but so many people choose to not face up to it. It is true to say my expectations haven't been met but my expectations are probably much higher than most who frequent these forums.
Quote from: Shannon on October 15, 2009, 08:48:07 PM
[...] if someone thinks you are aggressive then the point you are making is overshadowed by it.
Yeah that's a good point.
QuoteSo what is worse me using a STFU without a happy emoticon or someone going around on several threads posting multiple negative posts trying to deflate everyone else's opinions. We'll leave that to subjective opinion. ;D ;)
I don't know about several threads and multiple posts - not because it is or is not true, simply because I am unable to read every concurrent active thread. All I have is the context of this one, which is where we agree completely on the subjectivity point :) No big deal...let's forget it! Peace!
Yeah I agree that a lot of online information is of a positive nature and it can be hard to find a balance (of course like anything online you get the answers you actually go searching for). In a forum like this people like it and enjoy it, hearing of positive stories. There are a lot of questioning people out there reading these pages and some can be easily put off. And also those that are insecure and need the reassurance. Not saying that expressing a bad experience is wrong or shouldn't be done, subjective truth is healthy. Just not in the way that it is made to look like the only out come of all transitioning, that was my beef! :P
*team hug*
S.x
I've personally been hoping T will give me a Karl Malden nose. But I don't think I'll be that lucky, it's looking like I'll just get a slightly larger, wider version of my own nose. Oh well.
nopie i dont think oestrogen will :S
it will change your skin on the nose though ;D x
Whatever next?
Unless your pregnant no it wont. Some pregnant women's noses end up flattening out a little due to large amounts of hormones raging in their system.
Lol, I kinda miss Shelina, her threads were always interesting.
Quote from: BubbleTea on March 03, 2010, 10:33:07 PM
Unless your pregnant no it wont. Some pregnant women's noses end up flattening out a little due to large amounts of hormones raging in their system.
Really? Didn't know. Source?
Quote from: Becca on March 04, 2010, 12:43:07 AM
Lol, I kinda miss Shelina, her threads were always interesting.
Agreed.
Quote from: SilverFang on March 04, 2010, 12:49:16 AM
Really? Didn't know. Source?
Search google with "Pregnancy Wide nose", alot of women report their nose widening out. My sisters all had thin noses but after their pregnancy they looked slightly more wide and round. sometimes it returns back to normal, i remember reading somewhere that if it doesnt go back to normal size after a year then it will most likely stay that way.
Pregnant women sometimes get nosebleeds or runny noses and thats because of the increase in blood volume and hormones causing alot of things to swell up including the mucous membranes in the nose.
I have never heard such nonsense!
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on March 14, 2010, 02:04:29 PM
I have never heard such nonsense!
Awwww, tell us how you really feel about it.
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Quote from: Naturally Blonde on March 14, 2010, 02:04:29 PM
I have never heard such nonsense!
Neither had I. But I did Google it and found this:
http://www.realself.com/question/Bulbous-nose-pregnancy-return-normal (http://www.realself.com/question/Bulbous-nose-pregnancy-return-normal)
Though it may be an illusion, like big bottoms.
Quote from: spacial on March 14, 2010, 04:04:18 PM
Neither had I. But I did Google it and found this:
http://www.realself.com/question/Bulbous-nose-pregnancy-return-normal (http://www.realself.com/question/Bulbous-nose-pregnancy-return-normal)
Though it may be an illusion, like big bottoms.
..but are any of us likely to become pregnant?
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on March 15, 2010, 05:49:29 AM
..but are any of us likely to become pregnant?
Well, not me.
I had the wrong equipment fitted at birth and my wife felt exactly the same way.
But we can treat it as another piece of knowledge. Knowledge is never wasted.
If you are still kicking in about 10 years you can expect some of those uterus+ovaries implants trials to become a reality for you too ;) (ovaries is already a reality, but probably not if you already don't have an uterus cause most doctors will see it is a bit of a "waste")