So next week is Pride Week in Toronto (if it doesn't get canceled due to the possible CUPE strike) and I'll hopefully be attending the first ever Trans March, as well as hopefully watching the Dyke March, as well as the ending Pride March. My SO wants me to (rightfully so, and I of course agree) dress my part for all of these events. I'm having some issues though. Firstly I have a large Italian nose... I think it just screams "Hi I'm a ->-bleeped-<-" SO disagrees, not much I can do about it... I'll just always hate that part of myself. Secondly, my eyebrows... I OBVIOUSLY need to get them done. Is it possible to get them done in a way that I can look like a woman when dressed, but still pass as a man when not? Finally... BLUE! That's right... annoying blue on my upper lip and such... HOW THE HELL DO I HIDE IT?! My SO dressed me up tonight for practice, Maybe I'll have her post the pictures she took of me so you guys can look it over and hopefully help me out... I'm... too much of a pansy to post them myself.
If its anything like PRIDE in SF, it will not matter, lots of people will look better, many will look worse, and some, well, they will get all the attention they crave.
The PRIDE march in S.F. is crazy. I've only seen pictures but I hope to attend one day. I'd say that if there ever was a time to not give ->-bleeped-<- this would be it, though Burning Man comes a close second.
Blue?
Yes blue. I suppose the best way to describe it is a 5 o'clock shadow-esque type thing... Worst part is I just shaved! I don't know if it's a reaction of the concealer my SO uses or what but it annoys the hell outta me. I realise that it's Pride so I really shouldn't care, but the thing is... if I don't feel comfortable with my self at least a little. I'm not sure I'll be able to muster the strength to go outside.
You can use two layers of different foundation to hide it pretty well if you really want to. (You really don't need to for Pride, but you may want to for Adrianna. ;))
Go to a high-end makeup place at the mall, either a separate store or a counter in a department store - and have the person there make you up. I did that at a MAC store before going full time. The makeup guy spent an hour doing me up, chatting a lot about his TG clients. He said that as I got my whiskers removed I could use less foundation (which has turned out to be true). It was a little expensive because I bought everything he used, but it was a wonderful experience.
- Kate
There are a couple of thicker foundations, both street makeup and stage makeup that is designed specifically to hide beard shadow.
But, yes, foundation will have to be kind of thick to hide the blue.
You can have your eyebrows thinned a bit through waxing. Go to a salon and tell them you want them thinned out a bit. Or you can pluck, it really doesn't take that much to give the impression of arched eyebrows without having to remove a lot of hair.
Adrianna, there are a lot of girls with roman noses, most of them are Italian. Deal with it. Two, you will look like a guy-in-a-dress if you FEEL like you are a guy-in-a-dress. A woman believes in herself and her inner beauty. It shows through every time. Believe in yourself! Carry yourself proudly and you will be beautiful!
Yeah, let's see some pix!
And girl, grow some b*lls and post your own damn pictures!
-Sandy(be a proud pansy!!!)
My own experience going to a pride event was kind of "meh", but that's because I found out how much I don't fit in with the very-out LGB part of the community. I just got a really clique-y feel of the place and I didn't know many people there, so maybe that would have given me a different impression. But it was a learning experience, I can check it off my list of things to do sometime. I heard a few bad things throughout the day, mainly from a few especially uptight-looking gay boys, but thinking back on it I heard
many more affirming things. I knew I didn't pass but what did I expect among the small group of other trans people I was with at a pride rally?
Quote from: tekla on June 18, 2009, 10:34:05 PM
If its anything like PRIDE in SF, it will not matter, lots of people will look better, many will look worse, and some, well, they will get all the attention they crave.
Basically. If it's a larger LGBT pride event, you'll probably stand out a lot more for not dressing outrageously...unless that's your plan :D In that case, you're going to need at least a 3 foot tall rainbow mohawk if you're planning on sticking out. Ok, maybe that's a
tiny exaggeration.
Just go and have a good time with your SO :)
i'm going to post them for her because i'm home and she's not and she wants to know what people think :) I finally have a picture of ME as m profile pic yay:) ahem
Anyway here are a couple of them!! Let us know what you think. I think she's the most beautiful person in the world but i'm bias.
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Adriana!
You are EFFING beautiful!
And I love your lips. Did you have foundation on for the pictures? I do not see any blue shadow.
And hon, there ain't nothin' wrong with your nose. So many girls obsess about their noses. Yours is fine!
Yeah, you want to thin your eyebrows out some, but it shouldn't take much.
Did you do your own makeup? It looks a little on the light side, but depending on where you are going that may not be a problem.
Nice hair, that style looks good on you. A little adventurous, a little edgy.
I'm not sure I would wear dangles with that outfit, but that's just me. I prefer hoops mostly or understated earrings.
Find a nice necklace and you are good to go!
Phantom, your avatar picture looks good too! Nice to see you!
So many relationships do not survive transition. So I am very happy that you support Adrianna in her journey. Please know that this is a difficult time for everyone. This is a transition for you as well. But, unlike Adriana, you have not had your whole life to come to grips with it. It is very understandable to feel confusion and other feelings. The trick will be to communicate. A lot. Talk about everything. Try to understand what she is going through, but also let her know what this means to you as well.
Also know that you have friends here too! If you have any questions about anything, feel free to ask. You are our sister too, you know!
-Sandy
^_^ I know she is...she's so scared I just can't understand why!! :) I can't wait to show her off at pride!! MINE <3
Quote from: phantom_heart on June 19, 2009, 02:54:43 PM
^_^ I know she is...she's so scared I just can't understand why!! :) I can't wait to show her off at pride!! MINE <3
Oooh, Oooh, Oooh! Put her in a collar!!!!
I can understand how scared she is. She is/will be afraid that everyone is looking at her (they will)! But she is probably worried that they are somehow judging her. And really, hon, they really couldn't care less! I went through the same thing. She'll be fine.
-Sandy
BTW: Do you have a "real" name? Phantom_heart is cute, but impersonal.
Its Erica ^_^ I don't know how to change it on here. I know Adrianna did but shes not home to ask LOL. I always have to figure these things out on my own. :laugh:
Quote from: phantom_heart on June 19, 2009, 03:03:39 PM
Its Erica ^_^ I don't know how to change it on here. I know Adrianna did but shes not home to ask LOL. I always have to figure these things out on my own. :laugh:
Erica! Hi!
You can change what is displayed in the profile section. Select "Forum Profile" then "Modify Profile". There should be a window where you can type in a the name that people will see. It is just below your username entry, I believe.
-Sandy
Your nose is fine, girl! No bigness I can see here, it's perfectly proportionate to the rest of your face. :)
Pride in NYC was awesome, I hope you have a blast. I mean, I assume it was much the same as in SF- you could be built like a(n American) football player and be wearing a neon wig, and all you'd get would be back slaps and high fives and support. It's an absolutely amazing feeling. Everyone is so supportive and encouraging, if you 'look different' you'll only fit in more.
Umm wow.... You know looking at pictures of myself compared to looking at myself in the mirror are two different things. Looking at the pictures I'm quite happy with how everything turned out. Though I am for SURE going to Carol Baker to get my eyebrows done before Pride, as that MAJORLY needs work. They look like that could hatch into moths at any moment and fly away! I most likely will not wear those earrings with that attire. I was wearing the first thing I could grab as the second I walked in the door Erica demanded that I "Get naked, and dress in your girl clothes ASAP!" which is when she surprised me with my brand new wig and then proceeded to do my make up.
I wasn't allowed to look until she was done. Let me tell you those bloody clip-on's hurt like a bitch. That is until I lost all feeling in my ears. THAT is until the cat attacked the earring. >.< Erica will always be the one doing my makeup as I'd probably poke my eyes out if I tried, my hands shake a lot so...
I realize you can't see the blue in the photos, but it was there in person... or maybe I was just looking too closely. Anyway I'm sure we can find some thinker foundation before pride, maybe Carol Baker can suggest something?
You are both a cute couple. And I really don't understand you fear, Adrianna. I only see a pretty young woman and I know some of your history, from here.
Erica, it is nice to see you too. You two could be sisters. I see similarities between you two.
Janet
Adrianna:
Might I suggest that you get your ears pierced? Your selection of earrings is much greater with the pierced variety than the clip-ons. But you will feel it *a lot* when the cat grabs your dangles! :laugh:
In time my dear, you'll learn how to put mascara on while on a moving train. Just don't do it while driving. Also maybe you and Erica need a girls night in. Where she shows you how to put your makeup on and then you do it. Practice, hon, practice. You're going to be a big girl soon and you had better learn how to do your own.
Ok, I was being a little kind when I mentioned that bit about thinning your eyebrows. Carol may come at you with a weed whacker.
When you get everything together, let's see some pictures!
-Sandy
Quote from: Janet Lynn on June 19, 2009, 06:50:59 PM
You are both a cute couple. And I really don't understand you fear, Adrianna. I only see a pretty young woman and I know some of your history, from here.
Erica, it is nice to see you too. You two could be sisters. I see similarities between you two.
Janet
ahh...LOL I'm not sure thats a good thing. Were married so looking alike might seem wierd!!! Plus she's skinny and i'm fat lol
Married couples tend to look alike especially if they are really close. So it doesn't surprise me at all.
Janet
Quote from: Janet Lynn on June 19, 2009, 07:49:59 PM
Married couples tend to look alike especially if they are really close. So it doesn't surprise me at all.
Janet
It's true, people tend to seek out significant others that are similar to themselves. This can even happen with pets.
heh oh okay!! Too bad my cloths can't fit her. Unless she can clone herself because it would take two of her to fill my pants >.<
My god sweetie your so mean to yourself, please stop it! Though I do like some of your clothes :D
god, Adrianna, yu are just absolutely gorgeous and extremely lucky to have Erica.....don't let her bring you to ohio, i might steal you for a night or two!!! ;) ;) :P :P
lov ur hair!!!
Thank you all, your all so very kind and generous. Frankly I think you may be fudging, but I don't mind I'm so very flattered. Sorry Mekayla, even if I did go to Ohio Erica would keep a very tight grip on me. Not sure why but, it doesn't seem like she ever wants to let me go lol :P
I love my hair too! Even though it's only a wig lol. It is the closest one I've seen to my optimal want for hair style... but then again I'm not sure if that would even work for me... it's all just a dream really.
P.S
Kara, I'm not sure how common the knowledge is, but I loved the anime your avatar is from :)
trust me sweetie, i'm FAR from fudging!! i can see why she keeps a tight grip on you, i would too!!! =D
Quote from: The Only Warrior Princess Mekayla on June 19, 2009, 11:39:37 PM
trust me sweetie, i'm FAR from fudging!! i can see why she keeps a tight grip on you, i would too!!! =D
Stop it, your making me blush.... ok don't stop... >.<
Quote from: Adrianna on June 19, 2009, 07:53:36 AM
Yes blue. I suppose the best way to describe it is a 5 o'clock shadow-esque type thing... Worst part is I just shaved! I don't know if it's a reaction of the concealer my SO uses or what but it annoys the hell outta me. I realise that it's Pride so I really shouldn't care, but the thing is... if I don't feel comfortable with my self at least a little. I'm not sure I'll be able to muster the strength to go outside.
Like Kate said, the MAC counter is the best. I live in small town southern state and the MAC girl in Belks was perfectly cool.
What you need is a foundation that has a pink-orange base to cancel out the blue-black color but she'll know.
As for the brows, yes, you can find a middle ground but you probably need to find someone to do it that you can trust with your secret.
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Quote from: Sandy on June 19, 2009, 06:54:05 PM
Adrianna:
Might I suggest that you get your ears pierced? Your selection of earrings is much greater with the pierced variety than the clip-ons. But you will feel it *a lot* when the cat grabs your dangles! :laugh:
In time my dear, you'll learn how to put mascara on while on a moving train. Just don't do it while driving. Also maybe you and Erica need a girls night in. Where she shows you how to put your makeup on and then you do it. Practice, hon, practice. You're going to be a big girl soon and you had better learn how to do your own.
-Sandy
Mascara is easy - EYELINER is hard!
(at least for me)
Adrianna,
I think you look fab! The main thing I would say needs some fixing is the eyebrows (as everyone else has stated already, LOL) and for the future, definitely look into getting your ears pierced! Usually the earrings you get your ears pierced with (and you have to keep in for a few weeks anyway) are basic and unisex. The expansion of choices you have once you can buy pierced earrings is amazing! But for the time being, you might check out clip on hoops, as it's usually harder to tell they're clip ons with that style. Also, I love your hair! I think that would be a good style on you, and since it's short, it'll be easier to get to that style when you start to grow your hair out! I think it works for you, and short hair is soo easy to upkeep! Maybe just add in a few longer layers also so it's not too top heavy with the flip out style. (sorry, I'm really bad at describing hair cuts, I'm the type of person that brings a photo when I get my hair cut,LOL)
I think she ment eyeliner. Whenever I am putting it on i can see how she stiffins up. Thats why the make up ended up looking light on her eyes and stuff...because i had to redo it. The black eye liner was all over because she kept blinking and being terrified i'd poke her eyes out :laugh:
*grabs Adrianna* mine ...LMAO she attracts people no matter what gender she presents. I have to beat them off with a stick. I think she has a chick magnet in her head. LOL
The only way I know of just go do it. Yes you may "put out an eye". But you will learn how to do it. It is the only way to learn, My ex warms eyeliner pencil with a lighter. I have tried that, and lightly burn my lid. I use black eyeshadow and a brush, and alcohol as a wetter, And try getting that into your eye. :o
Janet.
I think I'll just let Erica do my make-up for as long as she wants... I'll just have to try and be less scared about the eyeliner. Everything else is fine.
Adrianna, You probably shouldn't worry about it too much. Barbara Streisand has a fairly large honker going there. Some people find her attractive. I've been to two pride parades and seen some of the Drag Queens. Some of them are quite atrocious. I'm sure you will do just fine. Kisses.
i think she does not need anything redone, the key to make-up especially for us transwomen is to use make-up to highlight are feminine features and bring them to light. Adrianna, i was always frightened when my ex would do my eyeliner and mascara too, but after awhile, i got used to it and finally learned to do it myself after her persistence of "yu need to learn to this on your own". she's poked me a few times, but i've even been confident to even hold my 6 month old while she does it. i think now that i can do it on my own, she's hurt because i no longer need her to do it for me. now i've got to find someone new, and thats not easy, i've got three kids so i don't go out much.
I thank you all for your support. My SO caught me just sortta staring at this thread after reading it a few times, her only comment was "Your ->-bleeped-<-ing beautiful, get over it!" Still though it's hard to believe without being reassured by others who I'm not married to. Sometimes I think she's jealous of me and it upsets her. I don't understand why SHE would be jealous of me however. I'm jealous of her, and every other born female! Her sister is coming to visit us for Pride Week in Toronto. So it's going to be my first time getting dressed in front of someone I know other than my wife. It's a bit scary, but she's a lesbian so if she says I look pretty that will be a big bonus! I'm still a little afraid that I'll run into someone I know down there... that will be quite scary but I have to put up with it I suppose. Funny thing is, I haven't actually "come out" to anyone but my wife. My father (and his wife) know according to Erica, but I never told them, because of that I tend to act like they don't know... even when my father is talking to me about it >.< It's sad and I shouldn't I know but... I dunno maybe it's a defensive reflex? My wife has told quite a few people about me, including her mother. I'm not really upset about it when she tells someone, I dunno i just feel scared
here's something I learned while posting on another board - if you see someone you know at Pride, THAT person is a slam dunk to BUT judge you harshly if anyone is. The very fact of where you met means you have found an ally, not a threat.
Not 100% maybe, but the odds are as good as they will get anywhere.
Quote from: Laura Hope on June 21, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
here's something I learned while posting on another board - if you see someone you know at Pride, THAT person is a slam dunk to BUT judge you harshly if anyone is. The very fact of where you met means you have found an ally, not a threat.
Not 100% maybe, but the odds are as good as they will get anywhere.
Yea I guess that makes sense....
it sounds like you have lots of support--way more than i ever did or ever will. seems like you have a lot of people that love you---hold on to them for dear life and don't let go not even for a second--or you'll lose them all. i had someone and according to most everyone it is my fault. all i have left is my kids. you seem to have a lot of support from your wife, she seems to love you no matter what gender you are, she's good with pronouns on here so i'll bet she has no trouble in RL. she seems not to care about labels and people asking questions if she's telling people(family and friends) that you are her gf/wife/partner. don't lose her, she's rare.
and i dealt with the jealousy problem with my ex too, i didn't need confirmation from people anywhere. she would always tell me i'm pretty enough without makeup, but i didn't know if i could believe her or not, she's was sarcastic some of the time and others not, she had to leave me b4 she could ever refer to me in RL as she and her, and even now she still slips(i try to subtly remind her), but it's hard half the time cause she "forgets" when she's yelling at her new bf and when it comes to family. if she had corrected people when i needed her too, not 6 months after the fact, i might have more respect from people i work with. yeah she was jealous that she lost her husband to another only problem is we are the other women, but you have one who can deal with it. cherish her forever. put her in a glass case if need be...lol.
Anyway, back to Pride. Events in SF are as follows.
The 2009 Celebration begins at Noon on Saturday, June 27, in Civic Center Plaza, and runs until 6:00 p.m. On Sunday, June 28, the Celebration begins at Noon and runs until 7:00 p.m.
Friday, June 26th come out to Dolores Park in San Francisco for the largest trans event in the world! See and be Seen 3pm - 7pm
March at 7pm
Dyke March, Saturday, June 27th, 2009
Starting from Dolores Park, at 18th and Dolores
Pink Saturday follows in the Castro
Parade on Sunday, headed off, as usual, by Dykes on Bikes. The Parade will be held on Sunday, June 28, starting at 10:30 a.m., traveling west along Market Street from Beale to 8th Street.
Well we picked up Erica's sister... which means it's getting close. I'm so excited but also so very nervous. I'm going to get my eyebrows done hopefully Friday, before attending the FIRST (in Toronto) Transgendered March. Which my wife so lovingly signed me up for lol. Her sister said she likes my wig, which is a good thing, although that was after seeing it sitting on the TV not my head.
It will be fine, its one of those things that 'if you're here, you're one of us' by default. In SF we call it 'being gay for a day' - kinda like how everyone is some sort of Irish on St. Paddy's Day.
I understand that, but it doesn't make me any less nervous..
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Yes Erica, your sister is very pretty but where are the pics of Adrianna,
with her HUGE eagle beak and 8:00 shadow on her upper lip?
Erica, you should seriously put her on a collar, I'd love that! XD
Quote from: Adrianna on June 23, 2009, 10:49:07 PM
I understand that, but it doesn't make me any less nervous..
There will come a time when you won't remember being any other way.
Or as they say at the march: "We're LOUD! We're PROUD! GET USED TO IT!!!"
-Sandy
Erica's sister is very pretty? heh thank you for the complements. I suppose I do worry too much about the way I look, but honestly what woman doesn't? The shadow isn't very visible on the photos but it is there. I'm going to get my eyebrows done at Carol Baker in the mall, Erica asked and supposedly this particular location has had the pleasure of working with quite a few trans women, so while I'm there (depending on the time) I may get them to do my makeup as well, or at least suggest a could foundation I should use. Erica's foundation is a bit light for my skin so..
*straps a collar on Adrianna* MINE
LOL so cute. See dear if you were not already taken i think you'd have a line a mile long. I guess i better now screw up :P
:laugh:
Yay a collar! Hee hee, Erica's sister just said I look good so I'm happy with that too lol
Hey hey my two favorite sexy ladies! Adrianna lookin good! Wish I had of been at pride with you two. Unfortunately work sucks like that. But my friends did bring me some beads lol.
And hey, Adrian doll. You know I'm here for you. We're both going through quite the ride. So don't you worry so much. Yup, big change. But its 2009, this is Canada, we've got it made.
Yay Landon!! <3 So glad you posted. I'm not going to tell adrianna i'll let her see when she logs on. Pride was great wish you were there next year!! Oh btw you still have to come for a visit. Any chance you can get my b-day off
OMG Landon! Haven't spoke to you in awhile, or seen any of your posts really. You introduced me to this site and here I am with more posts than you. I guess I'm a social butterfly when I can be myself lol.
I wish you were there too, it was SOOOOO FUN! I had the time of my life. Though I am disappointed that work got in the way of getting my brows done :(
You should watch CP24's coverage of it. I might have gotten caught on camera! They were interviewing Crystal Light or however she spells it. Apparently one of the organizers, anyway I was standing like right behind the little stage thing so maybe you can see me. Next year your coming with us, even if I have to drive up there and shove you in my trunk, your coming!
Haha ok ok lol That's if I'm in Canada next year. Trip to Florida! And hey, just get your dang brows done. Its the new "metro sexual" thing lol.
It's not like I'm afraid of getting my brows done(okay maybe alittle,) it's just work didn't release me on time for me to get them done AND make it to Pride. Your coming next year whether you like it or not, if that means I have to drive down to Florida to throw you in my trunk so be it, you'll just owe me gas money! :P
Then after Pride I can drop you off back in Florida... and stay for... like ever.