Poll
Question:
My political opions are mainly
Option 1: Left
votes: 24
Option 2: Right
votes: 5
A quick research.
This has been asked and answered.
Yes, liberals and conservatives not left and right as it really is.
Just think about U.S. presidential elections in 1972. In case you think that McGovern is better vote left, Is Nixon is better vote right.
I'd be an anarchistic communist if I believed it would work..
I consider myself to be a democratic socialist simply because of my opinions on the limitations of human nature.
My answer depends on the political topic in question. I honestly couldn't say what they "mainly" are.
Libertarian.
Real left wing for the most part - and not some Obama is a socialist tripe, real left wing stuff, democratic government, workers rights, trade unionism, living simply so other can simply live, small is beautiful, government out of personal decisions and sex lives, real taxes on income, universal health care, universal education - all that silly stuff.
Quote from: michellesofl on July 03, 2009, 01:02:13 PM
Libertarian.
You, a libertarian.
Badnarik was real libertarian not Barr or Root. Actually Michael Badnarik has been the most honest American politican in this decade.
Trouble is, those words mean different things at different times, in different places. That's why a one word answer is pretty useless. Take a survey of views on 15 or so different issues, and you will have a clearer understanding.
Quote from: DarkLady on July 03, 2009, 01:30:32 PM
You, a libertarian. Badnarik was real libertarian not Barr or Root. Actually Michael Badnarik has been the most honest American politican in this decade.
DL, I'm just gonna laugh at this one.
Please for your own sake go back on your meds.
Post Merge: July 03, 2009, 02:28:35 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Badnarik#Issue_positions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Badnarik#Issue_positions)
Laugh? A real libertarian is anti-draft, anti-security obsession, against the drug war etc.
Quote from: DarkLady on July 03, 2009, 12:29:04 PM
A quick research.
you should also have 'moderate' or 'neutral'
I'm way more left than right, though, as with everything, I am both all and niether.
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Quote from: Miniar on July 03, 2009, 12:42:11 PM
I'd be an anarchistic communist if I believed it would work..
I consider myself to be a democratic socialist simply because of my opinions on the limitations of human nature.
I kind of like this one.
Post Merge: July 03, 2009, 01:44:40 PM
Quote from: tekla on July 03, 2009, 01:07:42 PM
Real left wing for the most part - and not some Obama is a socialist tripe, real left wing stuff, democratic government, workers rights, trade unionism, living simply so other can simply live, small is beautiful, government out of personal decisions and sex lives, real taxes on income, universal health care, universal education - all that silly stuff.
I like this one too
Post Merge: July 03, 2009, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: DarkLady on July 03, 2009, 01:30:32 PM
You, a libertarian. Badnarik was real libertarian not Barr or Root. Actually Michael Badnarik has been the most honest American politican in this decade.
how come you know about this Badnarik man and I don't? He must need a publicist.
Take a survey of views on 15 or so different issues, and you will have a clearer understanding. ---Tekla.
Those three things you mentioned are what is (most likely) most important to you.
Now...
A. The US has no draft, the Selective Service is a pre-emptive way of having a ready to go draft in case of a WW3 situation.
B. Security, is fine the way it is now.
C. Drugs. Legalize and tax.
Now, why dont you focus more on your own self-created problems, and less on my personal political philosophy.
Genuine libertarians do not support selective service registration as Barr does. Badnarik was strongly against selective service registry and so was the plantfrom accepped in 2004 in Portland however 2008 platform in Atlanta has in some other issues too evidence that party is now more right-conservative than genuine libertarian.
"No normal, decent person, is one thing, ok. I've got some s--t I'm conservative about, I've got some s--t I'm liberal about. Crime, I'm conservative. Prostitution, I'm liberal!" - Chris Rock, Never Scared.
And I am personally anti-drug. I do not agree with libertarian views of drug policy.
OMG... a neo-commie who dosen't want to tax something.... I think hell just froze over!!
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Quote from: Fae on July 03, 2009, 04:35:46 PM
"No normal, decent person, is one thing, ok. I've got some s--t I'm conservative about, I've got some s--t I'm liberal about. Crime, I'm conservative. Prostitution, I'm liberal!" - Chris Rock, Never Scared.
Chris Rock... I love da' Brotha'. He once said, "you white people gotta realize that blacks and whites have at least one thing in common. Black people hate ni##ers too!!"
My thought in response, "white people hate cr@c#ers too."
Badnarik cites Ayn Rand as one of his inspirations. To me, that 'nuff said. Everyone has certain touchstones, Ayn Rand is one of mine.
for you, tekla..
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Quote from: tekla on July 03, 2009, 06:50:06 PM
Badnarik cites Ayn Rand as one of his inspirations. To me, that 'nuff said. Everyone has certain touchstones, Ayn Rand is one of mine.
That finished the guy for me. If I could create a virus that would sterilize all randians and make them comatose, I'd do it.
If I could create a virus that would sterilize all randians and make them comatose, I'd do it.
Don't worry, they do it well enough on their own following their goddess example. That, and for the most part they are too whacked to have a meaningful relationship with other people.
I liked the general theme of Atlas Shrugged. What happens when the "producers" go on strike.
Read it and The Fountainhead once apiece. Way to long to re-read.
Post Merge: July 03, 2009, 06:04:41 PM
Badnarik is also one of those anti-tax nuts. Follow his advice and you'll be doing time along side Bernie.
Post Merge: July 03, 2009, 07:06:33 PM
If I could create a virus that would sterilize all randians and make them comatose, I'd do it.
Rebis, should a "Global Mod" be advocating not-so mass murder?
Humanistic. Humans need to be treated as well..............human. What part of human are you having trouble with there Borg?
Janet
What happens when the "producers" go on strike.
It's called a general strike, and the last one we had in SF the police shot, two were killed and the Gov had to send in the National Guard. But of course by 'producers' Rand meant the guys who owned the shipping companies, but they find out real fast that they ain't loading the ships.
Tekla my dear, that was the idea Rand was suggesting.
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Quote from: Janet Lynn on July 03, 2009, 07:07:46 PM
Humanistic. Humans need to be treated as well..............human. What part of human are you having trouble with there Borg?
Janet
The part that rebels. We are the Borg you will assimilated.
Quote from: michellesofl on July 03, 2009, 07:03:12 PM
I liked the general theme of Atlas Shrugged. What happens when the "producers" go on strike.
Read it and The Fountainhead once apiece. Way to long to re-read.
Post Merge: July 03, 2009, 04:04:41 PM
Badnarik is also one of those anti-tax nuts. Follow his advice and you'll be doing time along side Bernie.
Post Merge: July 03, 2009, 05:06:33 PM
If I could create a virus that would sterilize all randians and make them comatose, I'd do it.
Rebis, should a "Global Mod" be advocating not-so mass murder?
I think I found a loop hole by saying 'comatose'. I was aware that I was close to going too far. I guess I have to have a disclaimer -
"I not now nor ever have had the intelligence to create a virus. Anyone who believes that I want to hurt others is just dreaming and I can prove it by removing their brain, placing it on a table, then lighting it with sparklers. See you in the halls of an institution.
signed,
Rebis"
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Quote from: Janet Lynn on July 03, 2009, 07:07:46 PM
Humanistic. Humans need to be treated as well..............human. What part of human are you having trouble with there Borg?
Janet
oddly enough, I sometimes feel as though I would prefer Borgdom
In another galaxy far. far away. I am known by another name. Seven of Nine. Questions? ;D
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Knock, Knock......
Who's there?
Borg...
Borg who?
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Oh God, I love Seven. Especially before that Jerk Janeway tried to reintegrate her back into humanity.
I think that is my internal view of myself. Which may be a bad thing.
Neither, both sides are unenlightened, on the one side we have crazy religious nutcases and the other side is filled with morons who don't know there asses from a hole in the ground, so yea. I stand on my own views of this world.
Left. We lead 9-1.
Borgs are right-wingers ;D
Check me off as being an "Orwellian". (No, not the distopia from "1984".)
Orwell was a socialist who wanted decency in government. (No, not as in "moral decency".)
Here seems to be lot of wingnut pubs. Why they have not voted here?
Well there was a longer thread on more or less the same notion that I think wound up being mostly "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" which was the Classic East Coast Republican platform before the religious right set up their revival tent in the middle of the big tent. My guess is that most Americans define themselves that way if I take that as being "I don't want to pay taxes especially to help you, and I don't care what you do as long as I don't have to see it or hear about it."
I would like more Classic East Coast Democrats. Even so called moderate republicans are wingnuts. Genuine catholic left.
Quote from: michellesofl on July 03, 2009, 02:46:48 PMNow, why dont you focus more on your own self-created problems, and less on my personal political philosophy.
You're not supposed to be looking behind the curtain of "Crazy, Broken English"
Nah, there was a time before Reagan where there were a few moderate Republicans, I can't find them anymore, Mitt perhaps, but they were all but driven out by the ideologues.
Hell I'm old enough to remember when Massachusetts had Republican Senators, Henry Cabot Lodge and Edward Brooke, one of whom (and not the guy with three names) was African-American.
You're not supposed to be looking behind the curtain of "Crazy, Broken English"
Thank you Heatherrose.
I had forgotten about that, behind that particular curtain lives a new disorder.
The "shrinks" will be in da money for years.
My guess is that most Americans define themselves that way if I take that as being "I don't want to pay taxes especially to help you, and I don't care what you do as long as I don't have to see it or hear about it."
Posted on: Today at 08:43:17 amPosted by: xic310
I think your onto something there Kat.
I couldn't choose one of the poll options. I identify as libertarian. Also, there are other political views that would prevent people from choosing an answer to this poll. I think this crowd should know by now that sometimes things can't be boiled down to a binary, and this binary is even more artificial than the gender binary.
Quote from: Miniar on July 03, 2009, 12:42:11 PM
I'd be an anarchistic communist if I believed it would work..
I consider myself to be a democratic socialist simply because of my opinions on the limitations of human nature.
That is an excellent answer.
Quote from: Hypatia on July 16, 2009, 12:32:42 AM
That is an excellent answer.
Thank you, I do have my moments.
Favourite political ideology: Liberalism, Social liberalism
Extreme left only in country's where military or clergy keeps power instead of people.
In typical western democracy center-left, in my homecounty extreme left because I am against giving too much power to military and strong opponent of conscription.
In the USA you will get draft back in case a Republican is elected to replace Obama in 2012.
In the USA you will get draft back in case a Republican is elected to replace Obama in 2012.
Highly doubtful. For several reasons, but not least of which is that the military does not want it. In fact, pretty much the last thing the military in the US wants is to have to deal with a lot (or in the case of a draft, perhaps even a majority) of people who don't want to be there. Morale suffers, unit cohesion disappears, discipline problems go off the charts.
If Obama were to lose in 12, it would be because he failed to dance with those that brought him - but of course that would also require an opposition who could field a candidate, with a platform consisting of something more than the fact that they don't like the way he throws a baseball, or his choice of jeans, which at this point seems highly dubious. Matter of fact it seem doubtful that the right is going to be able to field a one party ticket in 12, but more likely, a third party run from the right (resulting in a true democratic landslide) seems more possible every day.
Also, if Obama loses in '12, we will invade and defeat Finland, turning it into Gitmo for the 21st century.
Today Finland*, tomorrow the world! America Uber Alles.
*once we can find enough Americans who could even find Finland on a map
It's the perfect gateway to Russia and her vast natural resources.
My opinion may not be wanted. So what. I don't mean this in a offensive way but USA politics appear all very right, even the left is right. And the right is so right it has to be right. It is also very secular in politics, as an ex-pom and an Aussie, religion should have no place in politics.
I'm also unsure on the basis of the democratic principle in the USA of needing such massive amounts of money in order to "compete" for office. Nothing corrupts like money. No one makes a worse bedperson as the one who funds you. That said how do you change it? Since power is money and money is power the pretence of democracy will continue.
OBTW I'm not saying communism is any different, I think there are very strong similarities. I'm positive that Putin is absolutely not influenced by money that was used to create his political career.
Feeling a bit angry so having a s**t throwing moment.
Life is being tough.
Cindy
The real left, is all but ignored on the media. They are there, but aside from Democracy Now! You're never going to hear them, which makes it look - particularity if you get all your info from TV, that everything is center-right.
Quote from: CindyJames on July 17, 2009, 04:21:21 AM
Nothing corrupts like money. No one makes a worse bedperson as the one who funds you. That said how do you change it? Since power is money and money is power the pretence of democracy will continue.
That's exactly what it is Cindy, a "pretense" over here. Now, I'm not saying it's not democratic, it is (at least most of the time), but it's certainly not
true democracy. If anyone knows how to change this, I'm all ears.
<== Still a Socialist. ;)
I think the trouble is that if you don't pay people enough, or perhaps even a lot, what you wind up with is a bunch of idle rich people, and frankly, we have too many of those already.
Right and left are a little bit different in different countries for example right may vary from protecting the priviledged to authotarian nationalism. For example Finnish real right wing is more right than moderate Republicans because of historical reasons and left-parties at least in economy more left than the most leftist democrats.
Quote from: CindyJames on July 17, 2009, 04:21:21 AM
Feeling a bit angry so having a s**t throwing moment.
Life is being tough.
Cindy
throw 'em if you got 'em, ma'am
The problem with left and right is that there are a variety of issues which have little baring on one another. Economic, social, foreign policy, are three areas. Economic I consider myself leaning socialist. Domestic policy I consider myself a libertarian. Foreign policy wise I'm a Ron Paul style paleoconservative who wants to stay out of other countries. The two answers "left" and "right" don't adequately describe the range of viewpoints these areas can dictate.
Not to mention, this is a transgendered message board. There aren't going to be many social conservatives.
Not to mention, this is a transgendered message board. There aren't going to be many social conservatives.
Far more than I ever imagined, but I only see them on boards like this, not at real life TG political stuff, but then again I live in SF, so I don't see social conservatives anywhere.
All extremists should be shot! :)
Quote from: finewine on July 27, 2009, 10:34:06 AM
All extremists should be shot! :)
A rather extreme statement.