Title: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: Natasha on July 06, 2009, 08:18:07 AM
Post by: Natasha on July 06, 2009, 08:18:07 AM
No kisses please - we're Christians
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25743178-2682,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25743178-2682,00.html)
TORY SHEPHERD
7/6/09
Evangelist Sy Rogers, who says he is a former prostitute, transsexual and gay man, says "kisses and cuddles" and the "good old pash" are foreplay that people should not engage in before marriage.
Rogers, who says homosexuality can be "cured" with prayer, will speak at a conference at Enfield Baptist Church next month.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25743178-2682,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25743178-2682,00.html)
TORY SHEPHERD
7/6/09
Evangelist Sy Rogers, who says he is a former prostitute, transsexual and gay man, says "kisses and cuddles" and the "good old pash" are foreplay that people should not engage in before marriage.
Rogers, who says homosexuality can be "cured" with prayer, will speak at a conference at Enfield Baptist Church next month.
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: Britney_413 on July 07, 2009, 01:05:23 AM
Post by: Britney_413 on July 07, 2009, 01:05:23 AM
How can you be a "former transsexual?" I've never even heard of such a thing. I guess it is just as stupid as people who claim to be "ex-gay." It would really be weird to be a post-post-op "former transsexual." Of course such things are only possible when under the influence of a cult and cult tactics.
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: finewine on July 07, 2009, 01:32:41 AM
Post by: finewine on July 07, 2009, 01:32:41 AM
QuoteEvangelist Sy Rogers, who says he is a former prostitute, transsexual and gay man, says "kisses and cuddles" and the "good old pash" are foreplay that people should not engage in before marriage.
And in just one sentence, finewine mentally files Sy Rogers under "Arseholes, surnames P -> T".
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: Alyssa M. on July 07, 2009, 01:44:45 AM
Post by: Alyssa M. on July 07, 2009, 01:44:45 AM
And foreplay leads to sex which absolutely MUST be avoided at all costs ---- it only leads to dancing.
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: V M on July 07, 2009, 01:59:37 AM
Post by: V M on July 07, 2009, 01:59:37 AM
Quote from: Alyssa M. on July 07, 2009, 01:44:45 AMWhich is OK as long as your pole dancing at a stripclub or fire station :laugh: >:-) :laugh: Just ask any priest
And foreplay leads to sex which absolutely MUST be avoided at all costs ---- it only leads to dancing.
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: Carolyn on July 07, 2009, 03:40:22 AM
Post by: Carolyn on July 07, 2009, 03:40:22 AM
Ah Religious nutcases, always a good laugh!
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: heatherrose on July 07, 2009, 04:45:32 AM
Post by: heatherrose on July 07, 2009, 04:45:32 AM
"Religious Nutcases" otherwise known as
"Seething Powder Kegs of Repressed Sexual Anxiety"
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: noeleena on July 07, 2009, 06:28:23 AM
Post by: noeleena on July 07, 2009, 06:28:23 AM
Hi . This Sy Rogers . was never a trans person . in his writing . he was told ..he .. was . that does not mean he was . he was & is gay ... .
I read all the info i was given . & Its there in black & white . as i deal with people in the so called churchs that he may have contact with . & others . & some tryed to tell me he changed from being a trans .. to not .. we are born trans not some thing we just take on for fun .
All so the people in some churchs will not hear the truth funny that i wonder why . . thats the problem . they think they know YET they have never asked us why we are like this .. or tryed to find out . so is it any wonder they get it so wrong ....
& I have had three people say we will pray for you to be changed back to what you were .... funny that . what was i . if i was / am an andro .. how can i be changed back .i was born this way .
What they see is only the outward apperance of the person . not. the inside . hence thier problem . oh some have only seen me as a woman . so that raises a ?? or two Some are just accepting with out any ??? yet they know me for who i am . & i get on well with them . dont for get some people are brain washed . so no matter who ..what.. or what ever. we are . they wont accept us for who we are ..pity . because ...they ... miss out on some neat people .
any way just my thoughts .
...noeleena...
I read all the info i was given . & Its there in black & white . as i deal with people in the so called churchs that he may have contact with . & others . & some tryed to tell me he changed from being a trans .. to not .. we are born trans not some thing we just take on for fun .
All so the people in some churchs will not hear the truth funny that i wonder why . . thats the problem . they think they know YET they have never asked us why we are like this .. or tryed to find out . so is it any wonder they get it so wrong ....
& I have had three people say we will pray for you to be changed back to what you were .... funny that . what was i . if i was / am an andro .. how can i be changed back .i was born this way .
What they see is only the outward apperance of the person . not. the inside . hence thier problem . oh some have only seen me as a woman . so that raises a ?? or two Some are just accepting with out any ??? yet they know me for who i am . & i get on well with them . dont for get some people are brain washed . so no matter who ..what.. or what ever. we are . they wont accept us for who we are ..pity . because ...they ... miss out on some neat people .
any way just my thoughts .
...noeleena...
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: Ephilei on August 03, 2009, 04:51:15 PM
Post by: Ephilei on August 03, 2009, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: noeleena on July 07, 2009, 06:28:23 AM
Hi . This Sy Rogers . was never a trans person . in his writing . he was told ..he .. was . that does not mean he was .
Why wouuld you not think he's tran?
I've research into him and believe he is trans and is still trans. I wrote some stuff about him on my website: http://transchristians.org/people/sy-rogers (http://transchristians.org/people/sy-rogers)
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: Witch of Hope on August 03, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
Post by: Witch of Hope on August 03, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: Natasha on July 06, 2009, 08:18:07 AM
No kisses please - we're Christians
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25743178-2682,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25743178-2682,00.html)
TORY SHEPHERD
7/6/09
Evangelist Sy Rogers, who says he is a former prostitute, transsexual and gay man, says "kisses and cuddles" and the "good old pash" are foreplay that people should not engage in before marriage.
Rogers, who says homosexuality can be "cured" with prayer, will speak at a conference at Enfield Baptist Church next month.
If i could be there, I would ask him how it can be possible, that he talk hogwash as a Christian?
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: noeleena on August 04, 2009, 12:02:36 AM
Post by: noeleena on August 04, 2009, 12:02:36 AM
Hi..Ephilei.
I have sent a email to Sy & his people to ask a few ?? then will see what is said . the info i was given seem.s to be at variance with what you said .
That. being the case . there seems to be some thing not quite right . so hopefully i can have this cleared up . Another point is (( having prayer will cure some one who is a homosexual ))
So then if that is the case . what happens if they are born this way ...they may stop . yet are still who they are . like some one who is a alcoholic. is that the same . you know the saying once a alcoholic all ways one even if he stops drinking ...
then that same prayer does that apply to me allso im. a andro from birth . iv . had this thrown at me . so i know what i am talking about .
A lot of so called christians con not will not ever accept those who are different . i.v had 50 years of this i know .. yet there are some who accept us as people . no problems . it depends on how people are taught in many cases . what does the Lord have to say .. interesting will in no way cast out any who accept him .or come to him . . regardless who they or we are . the church on the other hand says you must conform to what they say . so who.s right ... ill let you.s answer that ?? Jesus or man ...go back 2000 years you.ll have your answer .... matthew 5. the be attitudes or the attitude we are being shown ......some neat points there .
...noeleena...
I have sent a email to Sy & his people to ask a few ?? then will see what is said . the info i was given seem.s to be at variance with what you said .
That. being the case . there seems to be some thing not quite right . so hopefully i can have this cleared up . Another point is (( having prayer will cure some one who is a homosexual ))
So then if that is the case . what happens if they are born this way ...they may stop . yet are still who they are . like some one who is a alcoholic. is that the same . you know the saying once a alcoholic all ways one even if he stops drinking ...
then that same prayer does that apply to me allso im. a andro from birth . iv . had this thrown at me . so i know what i am talking about .
A lot of so called christians con not will not ever accept those who are different . i.v had 50 years of this i know .. yet there are some who accept us as people . no problems . it depends on how people are taught in many cases . what does the Lord have to say .. interesting will in no way cast out any who accept him .or come to him . . regardless who they or we are . the church on the other hand says you must conform to what they say . so who.s right ... ill let you.s answer that ?? Jesus or man ...go back 2000 years you.ll have your answer .... matthew 5. the be attitudes or the attitude we are being shown ......some neat points there .
...noeleena...
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: FairyGirl on August 04, 2009, 01:00:15 AM
Post by: FairyGirl on August 04, 2009, 01:00:15 AM
Quote from: e.e. cummings
Thy fingers make early flowers
of all things.
thy hair mostly the hours love:
a smoothness which
sings,saying
(though love be a day)
do not fear,we will go amaying.
thy whitest feet crisply are straying.
Always
thy moist eyes are at kisses playing,
whose strangeness much
says;singing
(though love be a day)
for which girl art thou flowers bringing?
To be thy lips is a sweet thing
and small.
Death,thee i call rich beyond wishing
if this thou catch,
else missing.
(though love be a day
and life be nothing,it shall not stop kissing).
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: Ephilei on August 04, 2009, 09:09:49 AM
Post by: Ephilei on August 04, 2009, 09:09:49 AM
Quote from: noeleena on August 04, 2009, 12:02:36 AM
Hi..Ephilei.
I have sent a email to Sy & his people to ask a few ?? then will see what is said . the info i was given seem.s to be at variance with what you said .
What info was that? I don't mean what he said, I mean reading between his lines. It's something you have to learn about ex-trans/ex-gay people. They have lots of code words and what they avoid saying is as important as what they say. Please let me know if he responds to you.
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: heatherrose on August 04, 2009, 12:28:08 PM
Post by: heatherrose on August 04, 2009, 12:28:08 PM
I consider those who claim to be "cured" by joining the uber-religious, to be nothing more
than a stumbling block for not only the trans-bashed but also to the trans-basher.
~Lord help me, I've coined another "trans" related label :eusa_doh:~.
If you ever have the opportunity to hear their stories, there has in fact been no healing,
only what amounts to, submission to a beating with a bible shaped club and then the
"ex"-transgendered or "ex"-homosexual resign themselves to a life of internal torment.
Then at every opportunity, the uber-religious trot them out as examples
of the healing power of DOG. They are nothing but frauds.
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: Ephilei on August 04, 2009, 10:32:43 PM
Post by: Ephilei on August 04, 2009, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: heatherrose on August 04, 2009, 12:28:08 PM
If you ever have the opportunity to hear their stories, there has in fact been no healing,
only what amounts to, submission to a beating with a bible shaped club and then the
"ex"-transgendered or "ex"-homosexual resign themselves to a life of internal torment.
Check out this site that demonstrates exactly that: transchristians.org/ex-trans (http://transchristians.org/ex-trans)
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: noeleena on August 05, 2009, 01:34:40 AM
Post by: noeleena on August 05, 2009, 01:34:40 AM
Hi...Ephilei
Yes i will & thank you . I hope i do hear back ...yet i have asked ?? before to others & they dont bother replying . so they seem to be a closed house . as though they are not open .. i do wonder why ... any way .
will see what happens .
...noeleena...
Yes i will & thank you . I hope i do hear back ...yet i have asked ?? before to others & they dont bother replying . so they seem to be a closed house . as though they are not open .. i do wonder why ... any way .
will see what happens .
...noeleena...
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: heatherrose on August 06, 2009, 03:34:38 AM
Post by: heatherrose on August 06, 2009, 03:34:38 AM
http://www.apa.org/releases/therapeutic.html?imw=Y (http://www.apa.org/releases/therapeutic.html?imw=Y)
As part of its report, the task force identified that some clients seeking to change
their sexual orientation may be in distress because of a conflict between their
sexual orientation and religious beliefs. The task force recommended that licensed
mental health care providers treating such clients help them "explore possible life
paths that address the reality of their sexual orientation, reduce the stigma
associated with homosexuality, respect the client's religious beliefs, and consider
possibilities for a religiously and spiritually meaningful and rewarding life."
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 06, 2009, 04:02:14 AM
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 06, 2009, 04:02:14 AM
I've got a personal letter from him around here somewhere. My family contacted him and he wrote me. I promised to read his book (I think it was his book).... and then I decided it was time to check out. I started to plan my undoing at work the next morning. Thank mother luck for my secretary. I was so fortunate that she was around that awful rainy day. She saved my life.
I think it is worthwhile to make sure you are on the right path. I think that your faith can help some. But the God that represents most in this country won't help you. Find your own. And give yourself some credit as well. It doesn't hurt to do some research. And then there's the real life test. If you can get through that and still do the wrong thing..... well, I just don't know what to say.
Cindi
I think it is worthwhile to make sure you are on the right path. I think that your faith can help some. But the God that represents most in this country won't help you. Find your own. And give yourself some credit as well. It doesn't hurt to do some research. And then there's the real life test. If you can get through that and still do the wrong thing..... well, I just don't know what to say.
Cindi
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: noeleena on August 06, 2009, 06:23:10 AM
Post by: noeleena on August 06, 2009, 06:23:10 AM
Hi..Heatherrose.
Thank you for that info .
There is of cause a detail that does not come up much . its stating sexual orientation . do they say that all trans people or who . i am not sexual in terms of in a relaitionship . in other words a none sexual . that side of me stoped 11 years ago . not religiously or my belifes or not ... that did not come in to it
.i know there are many reasons. just dont apply to me in this case .
how ever this seems to relate to gay.s would this be right ... thats the impresion i am getting .
The other detail is i did not have talks with any one because i knew 100 % what i was doing. so told our endo & pych. & Dr . what i was going to do . they acted on. who i was /am . where i was going & they got behind me & backed this kid up to the full . like many others they helped me in so many ways . so you knowing that . & i was born this way as a andro . why do we have some know it all.s who total know nothing yet make out they do . then tell others what to do . i would use one word... bull->-bleeped-<- ... to them in no uncertin way . because they .....ARE ... not us . so how would they .know .. I dont know how you deal with these people because they do not & will not hear any thing we say or tell them .they have a preconceved idear or theory.
mind you age had a part to play in it for me with those who helped me .
Any way you may have some idears on this .
thanks
...noeleena...
Thank you for that info .
There is of cause a detail that does not come up much . its stating sexual orientation . do they say that all trans people or who . i am not sexual in terms of in a relaitionship . in other words a none sexual . that side of me stoped 11 years ago . not religiously or my belifes or not ... that did not come in to it
.i know there are many reasons. just dont apply to me in this case .
how ever this seems to relate to gay.s would this be right ... thats the impresion i am getting .
The other detail is i did not have talks with any one because i knew 100 % what i was doing. so told our endo & pych. & Dr . what i was going to do . they acted on. who i was /am . where i was going & they got behind me & backed this kid up to the full . like many others they helped me in so many ways . so you knowing that . & i was born this way as a andro . why do we have some know it all.s who total know nothing yet make out they do . then tell others what to do . i would use one word... bull->-bleeped-<- ... to them in no uncertin way . because they .....ARE ... not us . so how would they .know .. I dont know how you deal with these people because they do not & will not hear any thing we say or tell them .they have a preconceved idear or theory.
mind you age had a part to play in it for me with those who helped me .
Any way you may have some idears on this .
thanks
...noeleena...
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 07, 2009, 09:23:40 AM
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 07, 2009, 09:23:40 AM
Noleena, I'm not sure what you meant about this being related to gays. I believe that it is something distinctly different. My GID, my desire to be female, was the first thing I remember as a child. Sexuality came much later in my life. We get thrown in with the other minority groups because people on the outside believe that we are gay to the extreme. I don't mind being with gay and lesbian people. But I definitely feel differently than they do. I know that we are wired differently. In any case, I stand proudly with them here in CA to defend their right to marry. I wish that we could all just get along in this country. There are so many important things we can accomplish. Why must we fret about how people present themselves, love, and live?
Cindi
Cindi
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: heatherrose on August 07, 2009, 09:31:27 AM
Post by: heatherrose on August 07, 2009, 09:31:27 AM
I too, am willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with my gay brothers and sisters.
I just wish I didn't have to worry about the rank behind me
stabbing me between the shoulder blades.
Title: Re: No kisses please - we're Christians
Post by: noeleena on August 08, 2009, 01:05:12 AM
Post by: noeleena on August 08, 2009, 01:05:12 AM
Hi...Cindi
Yes you are right some do see many of us as gay ... mind you i never asked them . May be i ll have to ask some of my friends . yet this with in the group.s i am in does not & will not come up because i am accepted . manly because i went on t v . they knew about my life . & much of what i was doing & some concern.s that Jos had . as well . having interveiw.s for the papers all so helped .
A part of what we were talking about was to do with Sy .Rogers . having a think about this you are right . the whole concept of the trans community could be seen as gay . evn if like me a andro . plus my intersexed friend ..
I know we are wired differently .. I do know a good few women who are lesbain & will not accept me as a woman .. shall we say the hard core who wont accept andro or transsexual even intersexed . yet i have others as friends we stay with . they just accept me for who i am .. like my gg natal friends . interesting .
I kmow many as you say fret about this . may be they all so dont wont to understand us as people. for what ever reason. acceptance is still hard for some ..ether way
...noeleena...
Yes you are right some do see many of us as gay ... mind you i never asked them . May be i ll have to ask some of my friends . yet this with in the group.s i am in does not & will not come up because i am accepted . manly because i went on t v . they knew about my life . & much of what i was doing & some concern.s that Jos had . as well . having interveiw.s for the papers all so helped .
A part of what we were talking about was to do with Sy .Rogers . having a think about this you are right . the whole concept of the trans community could be seen as gay . evn if like me a andro . plus my intersexed friend ..
I know we are wired differently .. I do know a good few women who are lesbain & will not accept me as a woman .. shall we say the hard core who wont accept andro or transsexual even intersexed . yet i have others as friends we stay with . they just accept me for who i am .. like my gg natal friends . interesting .
I kmow many as you say fret about this . may be they all so dont wont to understand us as people. for what ever reason. acceptance is still hard for some ..ether way
...noeleena...