Poll
Question:
Is Obama's election a sign of victory over racism in America?
Option 1: yes, I think so
votes: 0
Option 2: no, I don't think so
votes: 8
Option 3: no clue
votes: 0
or am I being naive?
I think it means it matters a lot less than it once did, which is not the same as it having been defeated. It's still there, in lots of different forms. It's just that far fewer people see life in those terms. I think the people who grew up in an integrated culture tend to see what once were 'other groups' more as individual persons and tend not to apply the stereotypes across the board, even when they end up meeting people who could well have been the model for the original stereotype.
No, no and no. With centrist policy Obama has forgotten the liberal crassroot movement that working tirelessly to get him elected. In case I would be an American I would not vote for Obama in 2012. He should puss more bravely left-liberal politics.
QuoteI would not vote for Obama in 2012
Even if Palin was the other choice?
He was always 'liberal light' at best. Both Hil and BO were centerist, first, last and always - which at any rate wasn't the question, which what about race, not political standing.
Um, what? Did you not see this? http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/syndication?id=50214782 (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/syndication?id=50214782)
Oh sure, and it's always going to exist to some degree, that's not the issue.
No. Racists will be racist no matter who is president. If anything it gives hate groups like the KKK more to complain about. Any failures of congress, senate and the military will be blamed on him because he is black.
The only real race barriers remaining are in the minds of the black people. A lot of them still seem to think that it's "selling out to the Man" to work a decent job or live in a "white" neighborhood. They want "their own" to stay in "the hood" where "their people is." Their continuing struggles stem completely from a combination of self-destructive pride and institutionalized self-pity. Yeah, Obama's presidency is a victory. It's not a victory over the white man, though. It's a victory over the self-destruction that the black people have spent over a century imposing upon themselves. Black people are not doomed to forever play second-fiddle in a white man's world. They ascend right to the top. They can become the CEOs of corrupted, multi-national corporations. They can feed their kids on a diet of manga and sushi and send them off to good colleges. Their lives are filled with opportunity, not just meager table scraps thrown to them by a white boss. That's the real change that Barack Obama brings.
QuoteThe only real race barriers remaining are in the minds of the black people
You have got to be kidding me.
The only real race barriers remaining are in the minds of the black people. A lot of them still seem to think that it's "selling out to the Man" to work a decent job or live in a "white" neighborhood. They want "their own" to stay in "the hood" where "their people is." Their continuing struggles stem completely from a combination of self-destructive pride and institutionalized self-pity. Yeah, Obama's presidency is a victory. It's not a victory over the white man, though. It's a victory over the self-destruction that the black people have spent over a century imposing upon themselves.
Apparently racism is not dead. Odd, none of the people of all stripes I work with feel that way, not black or white, not Hispanic or gay. Some people may well feel that way on an individual level, I doubt it's a society wide deal.
'Cause you be axeing the homies when you be chillin' in the hood right?
Quote from: tekla on July 09, 2009, 12:10:02 PM
'Cause you be axeing the homies when you be chillin' in the hood right?
Nope, but an axe would probably be a good personal defense system.
I can't see how a person of color could possibly think that racism is dead.
I don't think that anyone was thinking or saying that - the election of Obama has signed a shift, but not a 100% change, racism has diminished over the last 4 decades, but has not gone away.
And that remark was not directed to you Mister, but at SP.
Quote from: tekla on July 09, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
I don't think that anyone was thinking or saying that - the election of Obama has signed a shift, but not a 100% change, racism has diminished over the last 4 decades, but has not gone away.
And that remark was not directed to you Mister, but at SP.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the axe idea anyway.
Quote from: tekla on July 09, 2009, 12:01:46 PMApparently racism is not dead.
Go stuff your head up Al Sharpton's butt. I voted for Barack Obama in the primary specifically because he figuratively gave that stupid, annoying blockhead the finger. I would have voted for him anyway because I agree with his politics, but that particular maneuver provoked me to surge out on the first day and cast my ballot for him.
QuoteOdd, none of the people of all stripes I work with feel that way,
Personally, I think that you are lying through your teeth.
Personally, I think you're living a very limited existence if you think the only oppression of black people is coming from within.
I'm lying about working or about the people I work with? Or perhaps the people I graduated HS and college with? Some of the hardest working people I know grew up on the wrong side of town - somehow its the rich kids who think that wearing the right clothes and possessing a unique sense of entitlement is enough.
I would assume that once they move past being reasonably successful and make it to really successful they find better friends.
Funny, I only notice Neanderthals when their knuckles drag on the ground and they attempt to communicate in monosyllabic grunts.
Quote from: tekla on July 09, 2009, 12:31:33 PMI'm lying about working or about the people I work with?
Probably both.
QuoteSome of the hardest working people I know grew up on the wrong side of town
The hardest-working people
I know are barely aware of the economic standing of their own families. They are highly introverted workaholics, and I admire them deeply.
Quotesomehow its the rich kids who think that wearing the right clothes and possessing a unique sense of entitlement is enough.
The rich kids I know prefer jeans and tees, and they don't seem to believe in bathing. They don't have to. If you are highly capable in a certain field, nobody really cares how you are dressed.
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Quote from: Mister on July 09, 2009, 12:47:05 PM
Funny, I only notice Neanderthals when their knuckles drag on the ground and they attempt to communicate in monosyllabic grunts.
Those are the rich kids.
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Quote from: tekla on July 09, 2009, 12:41:43 PMI would assume that once they move past being reasonably successful and make it to really successful they find better friends.
Tekla, my views on the subject actually come from the black people that I attend college with. Honestly, how long is it going to take for you to pick up on this? The problems in the black community today actually are based primarily on their self-perception. Self-perception has a much larger effect on a person than any other factor in whether or not they become successful adults. The white people aren't keeping the black people down anymore. The
black people are keeping the black people down. When their collective attitude changes, their lot in life will change accordingly. There is really no such thing as race. It is a social construct, usually self-imposed to a large degree, and it is really a very harmful one in the case of black people.
Quote from: Sigma Prime on July 09, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
Yes, I am.
Perhaps a wider exposer to more classes of people would change your attitude. In the higher educated ranges there is a lot less distinction in color of skin.
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Quotemy views on the subject actually come from the black people that I attend college with.
I take it you do not go to Harvard.
Quote from: lisagurl on July 09, 2009, 01:53:32 PM
Perhaps a wider exposer to more classes of people would change your attitude.
Lisa, given the fact that I got my opinions on this subject from educated black people in the first place, I doubt that my opinions are going to change very much as a result of speaking to a bunch educated black people. I'd just hear more of the same.
QuoteIn the higher educated ranges there is a lot less distinction in color of skin.
That shows how much you know. About a third of my classmates are Asiatic.
QuoteI take it you do not go to Harvard.
No, I do not. In fact, we don't have a law school at all.
As with Oriental, the use of Asiatic in referring to the peoples and cultures of Asia sounds conspicuously dated in contemporary American English, tending to evoke the prejudicial and offensive stereotypes of an earlier era. The preferred ethnic term is now clearly Asian. In most other contexts, however, as in Asiatic Russia or the Asiatic elephant, the term remains a neutral geographic descriptor that need not automatically be replaced with Asian.
I would consider a different school.
Quote from: lisagurl on July 09, 2009, 02:12:46 PMAs with Oriental, the use of Asiatic in referring to the peoples and cultures of Asia sounds conspicuously dated in contemporary American English, tending to evoke the prejudicial and offensive stereotypes of an earlier era.
Lisa, you can avoid being accused of plagiarism by taking care to cite your sources. I understand that this probably falls under the context of fair use, but it is very crass to copy and paste text from an online dictionary without clearly indicating that you are not using your own words. It makes you look very phony.
Lisa, what you are engaging in right now is called character assassination, and it is highly, highly dishonest. It does not make you sound more believable. It just makes you look very phony.
I have a habit of using the term "asiatic" to clearly denote that I am referring to people who have the appearance of being Asian. A lot of people who come from the Asian continent don't look very Asian at all, so I tend to believe that it is more appropriate to use a different term to denote people who simply have the appearance of having Asian ancestry.
QuoteI would consider a different school.
No, you just want me to align my views with yours, and you are willing to use any fraudulant means you think you can get away with in order to bully me into doing so. You are a phony, Lisa. You are a phony and a fraud.
The hardest-working people I know are barely aware of the economic standing of their own families.
I find this all but impossible to even consider.
introverted workaholics, and I admire them deeply.
Odd that you would admire introverted persons, most success comes, at least in part, from success in dealing with other people regardless of skill level.
If you are highly capable in a certain field, nobody really cares how you are dressed.
The whole dressed for success deal passed you by eh? People do care about such things, at the very least you should be dressed like you know what you are doing and why - in the sense that people who would show up to work with me in dress shoes obviously don't know what they are going to be asked to do. We have several dress codes for work, depending on the gig, ranging from opera/symphony, full dress formal, to rock concerts, which oddly enough have their own informal code.
QuoteLisa. You are a phony and a fraud.
You had no trouble understanding it was not my words I would hardly call that fraud.
Getting caught at discrimination is OK we all discriminate to a certain degree. Schools that teach only multicultural studies miss the rich experiences of life.
As someone living in the midst of one of the largest Asian/Pacific Island populations in the world outside of Asia, I must confess I've never heard any use of the world Asiatic in any sense outside of geography. I've never heard any of those groups use that word in reference to themselves. NEVER.
Quote from: lisagurl on July 09, 2009, 02:39:37 PMGetting caught at discrimination is OK we all discriminate to a certain degree.
You haven't "caught" me at anything, Lisa. You are engaging in deliberate character assassination. It shows you're a phony, and you don't have the guts to admit it.
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