Calpernia Performs "Stunning" Live @ Denver Pride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEhcAQqS82o&feature=related#lq-hq)
whoa. Is that all her? I mean I know tits usually aren't real these days, especially on an entertainer. But the rest of that? Can estrogen really give you all that?
I find her really non-attractive...
But you know what they say about beauty, eyes, and beholders...
And anyways, I assume estrogen gave you all that... what's so suprising? :P
I mean her butt.
That's Calpurnia Adams. Some is estrogen. Some is plastic surgery. I seriously doubt you'll torture out of her how much is from the one versus the other, but she's pretty cool.
I guess she's alright,
if you like characatures of women.
::)
Quote from: heatherrose on July 14, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
I guess she's alright,
if you like characatures of woman.
::)
... are you suggesting we all toss our 'type' of woman up for sharing? ;)
Personal opinion. Money can buy you anything. ::)
Janet
lol very true money can buy you anything! it helps to have somewhat of a good foundation though.
Quote from: Monty on July 14, 2009, 10:38:24 PM... are you suggesting we all toss our 'type' of woman up for sharing? ;)
Define "toss" and "for sharing"
:icon_blink:
:icon_chuckel:
Money cannot buy happiness but you sure as heck can rent it. ;)
I'll admit that I am underwhelmed by this video. For me, Calpernia is waaaay over the top.
But, that is me.
Personally, I prefer Andrea James.
Shauna
She's TG and has done fairly well as such. Virginia refuses to dis.
Quote from: Virginia Marie on July 14, 2009, 11:46:22 PM
She's TG and has done fairly well as such. Virginia refuses to dis.
oh, this certainly wasn't meant as a dis. i think she looks hot! but my heads spinning wondering if she developed hips like that from the E or it's somehow fake. a lot of girls always say they don't develop hips.
Quote from: Nero on July 15, 2009, 12:10:19 AM
oh, this certainly wasn't meant as a dis. i think she looks hot! but my heads spinning wondering if she developed hips like that from the E or it's somehow fake. a lot of girls always say they don't develop hips.
Yeah, that wasn't directed at you and wasn't quite what I meant either. I'm fairly sure she's had some work done. Me, I like being able to wear my XS panties :laugh:
hip implants?
It's not entirely impossible for a biomale to have an hourglass figure. I know one.
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2009, 12:40:30 AM
It's not entirely impossible for a biomale to have an hourglass figure. I know one.
Now after 2 1/2 years on HRT, I am starting to see some of the fat redistribution that was mentioned to me when I started.
I am developing somewhat of an hourglass figure, the fat on my hips is starting to widen. So I guess that I'm entering a more mature stage of puberty.
Also Dr Z. does have a liposculpting procedure, I imagine other surgeons do as well. Basically they take the fat from your gut and put it in your butt. So you have more of that hourglass shape.
For me though, that cost is very high and while I have had FFS and BA I don't consider those vanity surgeries. For me they were life changing and life saving. I can't say the same for liposculpting. To me that seems too much like vanity.
And to put the thread back on track. I love Cal, and I think Andrea is great. But I have to agree that Cal can be over the top. I never watched her reality program. I don't like them in the first place and I feel it was just done for gender bending titillation. After all putting a FTM in the group was over the top for me and seemed to be done just for the shock value of it. But I hope Cal got a whole bunch of money for it. If someone approached me for the idea and brought a bucket of cash, I would be hard pressed not to turn away. I don't expect that to happen any time soon though. :D
Next on Transamerican Love Story! Sandy takes a lover!!!
-Sandy(alright so I have a good imagination!)
I feel it was just done for gender bending titillation fame and fortune (just like all other reality based shows.
Something about her feels very drag queen to me. Maybe it's the horrendous performance or the boots.
Or the mostly gay audience.
Quote from: tekla on July 15, 2009, 10:16:55 AM
Or the mostly gay audience.
i think it's performance + wardrobe + voice + venue.
Well that's pretty much hitting for the rotation then.
This vid gave me waking nightmares. I had to stop partway through.
Okay, y'all know that I'm into boys. And I am a boy. So that explains that. Calpernia in her current shape reminds me of a voluptuous gal from junior high school who was voted "best figure" in ninth grade. I used to see her, and other girls like her, in various stages of undress in the locker room. For me, it was a horror. I had to look away. I hated being surrounded by all of that...femininity. All of those fleshy curves--only I saw them as unsightly bulges, more like deformities. The girls used to tease me mercilessly about my "figure." I didn't have one, and that's the way I liked it. I was lean and flat-chested and boyish, and I hoped it would last forever. It didn't.
>>>shiver<<<
With that said, it looks to me as if she has had some work done. I'm sure the estrogen helped, and so do the high heels. But unless Calpernia is a radical departure from the transwomen of my acquaintance, she must have had augmentation.
Sorry, I don't mean to come across as disrespectful, but this video sure brings back unpleasant memories. :icon_yikes:
Oh my god. She has a great set of thighs/butt and hips. I would be all over her in a minute!
Jay
RUNNING lol. That was a horrendous "performance" the outfit was pretty bad too. Nice figure horrible hair.
Quote from: Arch on July 15, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
...this video sure brings back unpleasant memories. :icon_yikes:
Ditto, says I. Memories of D.Q.'s venomously refering to "born women" as "fish".
The complete disrespect appalled me. It is possible that things have changed,
as my interaction with the gay "community" was in the mid-'80's to early-'90's,
on the mid-atlantic coast. The disrespect of others and the prevalent neurosis
that I experienced, have unfortunately, left a bitter taste in my mouth.
Respect garners respect.
nice ass? no way, it's all fat and jiggly. Calpernia needs to hit the stair stepper.
Oh buy a sense of humor. Drag shows - like ALL shows - are based on a formula, and in this case it's a very old, very time honored formula. It was the basic shtick when I saw the legendary Charles Pierce run the routine at the equally legendary Finnochio's who were doing that stuff as far back as the 1930s.
Like all forms of entertainment from crappy C&W bands (like there are good ones) to the Tijuana donkey shows to your favorite poll dancer - avoiding them is easy, don't pay to get in.
my friend John (60) was in cali during the 60's and always talks to me about finnochios. hes such a trip... one of those just really neat people thats been there done that. anway that has notingto do with this thread really, sorry.
To each their own.
Some find that form on a woman to be the most attractive.
Personally, I have always appreciated a feminine figure which is curvy
but well proportioned. It was her presentation which put me off.
I find the most attractive quality in any woman is gainful employment, preferable at a professional level. Largely because that speaks to both intellect and accomplishment. A sense of humor is also needed.
But my girlpals often refer to 'the holy trinity' being... Are you single? Are you gay? Are you employed? And if the answers are not Yes, No, and Yes - you're not going to get the time of day off of them.
Quote from: heatherrose on July 15, 2009, 12:41:07 PM
Ditto, says I. Memories of D.Q.'s venomously refering to "born women" as "fish".
The complete disrespect appalled me. It is possible that things have changed,
as my interaction with the gay "community" was in the mid-'80's to early-'90's,
on the mid-atlantic coast. The disrespect of others and the prevalent neurosis
that I experienced, have unfortunately, left a bitter taste in my mouth.
Respect garners respect.
I love the gay men's discussion group that I go to every week, but sometimes someone will make an unflattering remark about women's bodies, in a sexual context. I cringe along with the rest of the guys, but not only because I'm not sexually attracted to women. I flinch because I still have female plumbing and haven't come to terms with that yet. I wonder what they would say if they knew about me. I wonder if some of them DO know about me.
Beyond that, I feel uncomfortable because it
is sexist and disrespectful. And then I think back to negative remarks that some of my trans friends have made about men's bodies and genitals--again, in a sexual context. These friends know that I'm exclusively into men but won't take offense at their frankness.
I keep telling myself that people, including myself, will say things in private that we wouldn't say in mixed company. A lot of people do. But I feel stuck in the middle, and this gives me both valuable perspective and a sense of in-between-ness, of not quite belonging in either world.
I hate that I'm still somewhat misogynistic and that coming out of the closet has intensified that. I hate that, as often than not, I still automatically make negative associations about women. I'm frustrated that when I saw the Calpernia video, I couldn't appreciate it as just a performance, somewhat over the top, by a woman who has had to fight to be a woman. Instead, I flashed back to gym class and the voluptuous classmate, who was never mean to me, and the gaggle of vicious teenage girls who
were mean to me.
I'll bet the curvaceous classmate and I had much more in common than we ever realized. She probably developed incredibly early and perhaps felt self-conscious about her body. Maybe at nine or ten or eleven she was taunted herself by the very same girls who harassed me when I was twelve and thirteen and fourteen.
I never thought of that possibility before today. And all because Calpernia Addams probably had work done on her butt.
Is not the point of such groups to speak frankly? Do woman's groups on occasion make some pretty negative remarks about men? Bet they do.
You ought to hear what straight guys and straight woman say about 'the other.'
P.S. I think one of the things about 'real guys' that make them real guys is that they would be pleased as punch to say it to your face.
Quote from: tekla on July 15, 2009, 12:58:14 PM
Oh buy a sense of humor.
Quote from: heatherrose on June 17, 2009, 02:11:22 AMDid "Uncle Milty"'s (or his modern equivalent)
drag gag offend you? If it did,
you really need to get a life...
There is a time and place for everything. An individual who is a professional clown
can not expect to be taken seriously if they appear before congress, in full clown
garb, to testify in favor of anti-child pornography legislation. Is not the purpose
of "Gay Pride" for the "community" to present, to the "Mundanes", what it has
the most pride in? I guess it is just disappointing that what was presented, which
99% of the "normal" population view as wishing to share a public restroom
with their children, was a butt fat jiggling clown singing "I'm Stunning".
The point of pride celebrations is for us to celebrate our community in all its diversity. The Mundanes are welcome to join us, but in no way, shape or form is it for them. They have the other 364 days a year to celebrate being boring, dull, out of it, and in general, a drag - and not even the good kind.
Were you at Denver Pride? (and I assure you, this is G rated tame stuff compared to what happens in NYC, SF or LA - on the floats) For years we have had people who are technically 'members' of the community - but not in or of the community - complain about SF Pride. The reaction has always been the same. "If you don't like it, move back to Omaha, or Topeka, or Texarkana or Tallahatchie or wherever people live in a manner you approve of, because we live here, and kind of like it."
Quote from: tekla on July 15, 2009, 04:47:52 PM
(and I assure you, this is G rated tame stuff compared to what happens in NYC, SF or LA - on the floats
Which provides fodder for the "opposition" to use against us.
They point to such examples as being,
"What can be expected for the other 364 days".
Kind of like pre-WWII U.S. junk yards selling scrap iron to Japan
which was sent back, via air mail on Dec. 07/'41.
Calpernia cut her teeth as a drag queen. She was a big star for years, as she slowly got electrolysis and waited for the hormones to work. She wrote a biography some years ago. So yeah, it's no surprise that she can really drag it up, and drag is essentially comic parody of femininity.
stunning? i'll never know why some men like trashy women ::)
Which provides fodder for the "opposition" to use against us.
They point to such examples as being,
"What can be expected for the other 364 days".
Pretty much, and I think I can speak for a lot of the LGBT community in SF here, "we don't care."
A whole lot of us came here and live here (despite the rents, the job problems, the high costs of everything) exactly and precisely because it's not anywhere, and everywhere, else. I'm sure people in NYC, LA and a few other places feel the same way. We're not trying to export this, we don't care. If Topeka wants to have a Pride parade, fine, if they don't, we don't care. If Mississippi wants to be a 'right to work' state (read, right not to be paid), then fine, we're still going to be a real union town. If other places don't want our liberal values, fine, then, at the very least, they could at least STFU when it comes to forcing their values on us to then eh?
Largely I don't think anyone here wants to export any of this because we're bending over backwards NOT to go back to Iowa, or Kansas or Alabama. We spend a lot of time trying to forget the years we spend (wasted) in those places in the first place.
Heck, I bet we'd be bummed if everywhere else went that way, we couldn't feel so 'special'. And one of the things I really love about the entire off the hook, over the top nature of all of it is that I don't stand out, I'm not just normal, hell, I'm demure.
i'll never know why some men like trashy women
The are easy and more fun at a party.
I sure don't like trashy women. I am more oriented towards men, but I do appreciate a more "genuine" woman. You can always tell when they are acting on who they truly feel they are, and aren't putting on such a self-deceiving, all show no substance act. Maybe it's just me, but I think femininity and masculinity should be more subtle... Just a slice of someone's personality rather than a definition of it. Calpurnia can do what she wants, if it makes her happy I have no qualms with it. But that isn't to say I personally admire her clownish acts that can hardly be said to be an expression of true femininity.
If you are claiming to represent some segment of society, eventhough it may be your front yard,
do not lament the fact that your neighbors are unwilling to extend to you the least bit of respect
or understanding, if in full view of said neighbors, you deficate.
Quote from: Adrian on July 15, 2009, 07:51:47 PM
but I do appreciate a more "genuine" woman.
I just like butts.
Quote from: Nero on July 15, 2009, 12:10:19 AM
oh, this certainly wasn't meant as a dis. i think she looks hot! but my heads spinning wondering if she developed hips like that from the E or it's somehow fake. a lot of girls always say they don't develop hips.
Some bio-males just get small waist/large hips naturally.
And they are mercilessly made fun of in middle/high school for it. Yeah... but it worked well when I transitioned!
Quote from: Nero on July 15, 2009, 07:57:53 PM
I just like butts.
Bubble butts!!
Actually, butts are not at the top of my list. I'm just shamelessly harassing you.
Quote from: Arch on July 15, 2009, 09:21:20 PM
Bubble butts!!
Actually, butts are not at the top of my list. I'm just shamelessly harassing you.
yep, I like big butts and I cannot lie...
Quote from: Nero on July 15, 2009, 09:23:15 PM
yep, I like big butts and I cannot lie...
It's a thankless job; I'm glad there are people around like you who can appreciate a plush rear. (And, yes, that embedded pun was intentional.)
Quote from: Nero on July 14, 2009, 08:55:08 PM
I mean her butt.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2Fanubis5748%2F47.jpg&hash=5cc7ebd86a3376d03d3ce093dca94e788f76c77b)
Ash Ketchum Nero: He's an ass man.
Quote from: interalia on July 15, 2009, 08:11:57 PM
Some bio-males just get small waist/large hips naturally.
And they are mercilessly made fun of in middle/high school for it.
I was one of those kids. I didn't have super large hips, but I did have a fem. figure. But no boobs. I was often harassed and folks came up with wonderful names to call me. Freak of nature, Alien sex fiend, B---- with a D---, Horsey D---B----. Anyway, that and some other stuff is far behind me now :P
Well Butts do seem to develope more so then hips on MtF, even on some of us older er that is more mature chics. It was a odd sensation to realize my backside was getting larger. Hips now I would kill for a little more hip, just a bit more anyway. But you know I'm pretty happy with how the E magic worked on me. Never would have believed it possible before.
Beni
Quote from: Virginia Marie on July 14, 2009, 11:46:22 PM
She's TG and has done fairly well as such. Virginia refuses to dis.
QFT
Baby Got Back Meets Gilbert and Sullivan, sorry, could not resist
Baby Got Back - Gilbert and Sullivan Style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkJdEFf_Qg4#lq-lq2-hq)
Well Nero I got bigger than average genetic female breasts and no behind or hips from the hormones. My weight is average for my height. My calves remained large while my thighs shrunk several inches.
Nero's post does raise some questions. The person in the 'you tube' video seems to have the right fat distribution ratio for a female (no matter how it's done) and I'm curious to know how she did it. No, she's not a stunner by any stretch and the act is a bit on the 'Rocky horror' side of things but the core physical elements are there. Core elements I don't have despite years on HRT and I would be interesed to find out what she had done and where she's had it done?