I hate that I have to check the female box on the form to get my permit.
My name is Jason and I never fail to pass as male.
Regardless of my body I feel completely male.
It just feels wrong to check the female box...but i have to...right?
Yes, you do. Also, if you find it so reprehensible, I suggest you do what is necessary to get your gender marker changed and/or advocate for a more accessible criteria (i.e. not surgery).
I don't even know where to begin trying to find out how to get it changed though... :-\
You think that's bad? I haven't had the funds to get my name changed legally, but had a doctor's letter and had it changed on my California ID. Now in Colorado, I decided to get my driver's license reinstated. Even though Colorado has the same laws as California as pertains to changing name & gender on licenses with a doctor's note, my doctor here refused to sign the letter. Time for a new doctor... but I now have a license with not only an "F" in gender, but also my very female birth name.
SD
Quote from: Sebastien on July 20, 2009, 01:33:19 AM
You think that's bad? I haven't had the funds to get my name changed legally, but had a doctor's letter and had it changed on my California ID. Now in Colorado, I decided to get my driver's license reinstated. Even though Colorado has the same laws as California as pertains to changing name & gender on licenses with a doctor's note, my doctor here refused to sign the letter. Time for a new doctor... but I now have a license with not only an "F" in gender, but also my very female birth name.
SD
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that.
I've heard that to change my gender marker on my birth certificate even after surgery I'd have to move to CO and live there for a year then take the state to court over it since I was born there.
Idk if that was just my cousin tryna make me think it's impossible to ever be happy if your trans or what but it sure is just down right weird when your name is Jason and your gender if female.
I feel for ya though, hope you can get all that figured out!
That sucks, Sebastien. I feel for you. Unfortunately, my state requires surgery to get the gender marker changed on the driver's license. >:( So it looks as if I'm going to be stuck with it for a while. And I had the great misfortune of being born in Ohio, one of 3 or 4 states that won't let you change your birth certificate. >:( >:( I'm gathering up some stuff to sell on Ebay so I can at least change my name. Until then, I hate getting carded. But at least I don't pass yet, so I'm not getting weird looks.
Apparently my whole country (Canada) requires SRS to change the gender marker. Are there other countries (or maybe some states) that don't require SRS and will change the gender marker for other reasons?
Iceland.
You can change your listing in the national registry when you've started HRT.
In the UK, you can change your gender marker on pretty much everything (including passport and driving licence) with a letter from your doctor (either your GP or a gender specialist) saying that the change is permanent. I got mine from my GP on the same day that I started T, but it's perfectly possible to get one earlier than that. After 2 years living in your correct gender, you can apply for your Gender Recognition Certificate, regardless of whether you have been on hormones or not, or have had any surgery or not. The GRC allows you to get your birth certificate re-issued in your correct name and gender, with absolutely no reference to your previous one.
:)
Quote from: Braedon on July 20, 2009, 04:14:45 PM
Apparently my whole country (Canada) requires SRS to change the gender marker. Are there other countries (or maybe some states) that don't require SRS and will change the gender marker for other reasons?
Actually! I was just looking into that myself and that's not entirely true. I'm not sure which part of Canada your in however, in Ontario, all you need is a letter from a Dr. stating that it would be a good idea to change your gender marker on your driver's license. It also stated directly under that "Note SRS is NOT required to do this". So yea... I'll give you a link.(later since my internet seems to be acting up on me but I will return with the info I promise)
Although it is needed I believe to change your Birth Certificate.
Quote from: Miniar on July 20, 2009, 04:16:52 PM
Iceland.
You can change your listing in the national registry when you've started HRT.
Wow, that's wicked. I wish Canada/US would get on board with that. And here I thought I lived in a fairly forward-thinking country, we were the fourth country to legalize same-sex marriage on a national level (2005, although we'd had same-sex marriage in some provinces since 2002). I'm glad thought that at least we have laws that protect us from discrimination (unlike The States), in theory at least (if a company wants you gone, for instance, they'll find another excuse to fire you), but that's better than not having the laws at all.
And then again, you guys in Iceland have a gay Prime Minister over there. That's pretty awesome.
Quote from: Flameboy on July 20, 2009, 04:36:29 PM
In the UK, you can change your gender marker on pretty much everything (including passport and driving licence) with a letter from your doctor (either your GP or a gender specialist) saying that the change is permanent. I got mine from my GP on the same day that I started T, but it's perfectly possible to get one earlier than that. After 2 years living in your correct gender, you can apply for your Gender Recognition Certificate, regardless of whether you have been on hormones or not, or have had any surgery or not. The GRC allows you to get your birth certificate re-issued in your correct name and gender, with absolutely no reference to your previous one.
:)
You guys have it pretty good with health coverage too, don't you? Is everything covered, or just some parts of transition. Or just a co-pay type thing?
Quote from: Adrianna on July 20, 2009, 04:37:16 PM
Actually! I was just looking into that myself and that's not entirely true. I'm not sure which part of Canada your in however, in Ontario, all you need is a letter from a Dr. stating that it would be a good idea to change your gender marker on your driver's license. It also stated directly under that "Note SRS is NOT required to do this". So yea... I'll give you a link.(later since my internet seems to be acting up on me but I will return with the info I promise)
Although it is needed I believe to change your Birth Certificate.
Ah, I must've been looking into it incorrectly. I thought you had to change your Birth Certificate to change your marker. I'm living in Alberta, but I was born in BC, so I'm not sure if I'd have to go by Alberta laws or BC ones...
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/genderchange.shtml (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/genderchange.shtml)
Well here's the link I promised... it should be the same where you are but of course double check into it since I can only vouch for Ontario.
You would go by Alberta's Laws. It's by where you live, not where you were born.
Quote from: Flameboy on July 20, 2009, 04:36:29 PM
In the UK, you can change your gender marker on pretty much everything [...] After 2 years living in your correct gender, you can apply for your Gender Recognition Certificate, regardless of whether you have been on hormones or not, or have had any surgery or not. The GRC allows you to get your birth certificate re-issued in your correct name and gender, with absolutely no reference to your previous one.
Indeedy - and that's also what my gf plans to do, once she moves here (they won't issue a birth certificate for non-nationals but they'll still give a GRC for all future applications...and it allows us to marry, rather than have a civil partnership)
Quote from: Adrianna on July 20, 2009, 04:54:58 PM
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/genderchange.shtml (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/genderchange.shtml)
Well here's the link I promised... it should be the same where you are but of course double check into it since I can only vouch for Ontario.
You would go by Alberta's Laws. It's by where you live, not where you were born.
I cannot for the life of me find this info for Alberta. It's not with the information about driver's licenses at all. I can't even find it with regards to birth certificates. Does it surprise me that Alberta does not include this info on their government website? Nope, not one bit. Sigh.
So even if you were born in one province and live in another, you cannot go by the place of your birth to change your gender? Couldn't you just visit there and do so? Ah... That's really unfortunate.
Quote from: Adrian on July 20, 2009, 05:46:37 PM
So even if you were born in one province and live in another, you cannot go by the place of your birth to change your gender? Couldn't you just visit there and do so? Ah... That's really unfortunate.
Generally when it comes to things like that they require you to live in the province for at least 2 years (and have a Dr. from the Provence as well as someone else agree that you have lived there that long)
Quote from: Adrianna on July 20, 2009, 09:25:13 PM
Generally when it comes to things like that they require you to live in the province for at least 2 years (and have a Dr. from the Provence as well as someone else agree that you have lived there that long)
And by the time you're eligible for it, you probably would have completed SRS in your original province.
If you were born in BC, you change your birth certificate by BC laws, which would be section 27 of the Vital Statistics Act, which requires surgery, but isn't specific about what kind. But you don't have to live here to change your birth certificate. You can email them the question through their website: http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/index.html (http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/index.html)
If you live in Alberta, you change your DL by Alberta procedures. Surgery isn't required in BC or Ontario, but not sure about Alberta.
Dennis
Wow Dennis, I didn't know your federal system is just as wacky as our federal system.
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2009, 09:15:42 AM
Wow Dennis, I didn't know your federal system is just as wacky as our federal system.
It's only because our past few Prime Ministers have been so infatuated with the USA that they decided to ->-bleeped-<- up our system just to kiss ass. Really pisses me off.
Oh I doubt if its that, if each Provence gets to write it's own laws (which is a mixed bag) then that is a constitutional issue I would think. But such a system does offer the chance of being in places more - or less - open.
Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2009, 09:19:19 AM
Oh I doubt if its that, if each Provence gets to write it's own laws (which is a mixed bag) then that is a constitutional issue I would think. But such a system does offer the chance of being in places more - or less - open.
Charter, actually. I tease, I tease.
No, really, our current prime minister pretty much tried to be Bush, but since we have the luxury of a minority government, we've got quite a bit of control over him. He basically wanted to cater the laws to American ones to get on the US' good side. But if it were anything I'd want to borrow from the Americans, it would be the ability to vote directly, heh.
I don't mind that there's different laws for each Province. Health care has never been a national thing either.
Quote from: Dennis on July 21, 2009, 09:10:48 AM
If you were born in BC, you change your birth certificate by BC laws, which would be section 27 of the Vital Statistics Act, which requires surgery, but isn't specific about what kind. But you don't have to live here to change your birth certificate. You can email them the question through their website: http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/index.html (http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/index.html)
If you live in Alberta, you change your DL by Alberta procedures. Surgery isn't required in BC or Ontario, but not sure about Alberta.
Dennis
The only info I could find for Alberta was in regards to birth certificates. It did say surgery is required, but now that you mention it, it didn't say that any specific kind is required... Wait, let me look it up and see what it actually says...
"To change one's legal gender in Alberta, The Vital Statistics Act (section 22) requires affidavits from two doctors stating that the applicant's "Anatomical sex has been changed""So... anatomical sex. Does that specifically mean genitals? Or do you think top surgery would count?
But let's say one did change their birth certificate in BC, wouldn't they be able to use that as ID to get their license changed in Alberta? Or do you still have to go by Alberta's laws?
Quote from: Braedon on July 21, 2009, 02:45:52 PM
The only info I could find for Alberta was in regards to birth certificates. It did say surgery is required, but now that you mention it, it didn't say that any specific kind is required... Wait, let me look it up and see what it actually says...
"To change one's legal gender in Alberta, The Vital Statistics Act (section 22) requires affidavits from two doctors stating that the applicant's "Anatomical sex has been changed""
So... anatomical sex. Does that specifically mean genitals? Or do you think top surgery would count?
But let's say one did change their birth certificate in BC, wouldn't they be able to use that as ID to get their license changed in Alberta? Or do you still have to go by Alberta's laws?
Anatomical Sex as far as the law is concerned, is indeed, your genitals. If you did change your birth certificate then yes you should be able to use that to get your license changed in Alberta... I mean it doesn't matter what their law is, they can't argue with a certificate that says you were born male right?