Can look amazing! :O
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Every woman has a different body shape compared to the next. I have sort of broad shoulders and my torso just goes straight down with no real curves, yet I'm completely fine out in public. I think this body shape looks athletic and modelesque. Be proud!
I think they all have a transsexual body type. (except the third one; but her face looks manly at that pose)
Quote from: Paulina on July 27, 2009, 05:19:31 AM
I think they all have a transsexual body type. (except the third one; but her face looks manly at that pose)
They have a normal body, like everyone here.
Some women are as wide as the widest men ever seen, some men are as narrow as the narrowest females ever seen.
Especially nowdays the world is getting wider and wider.
Look online at body shapes and clothings for every shape, for women, you see so many shapes possible that it is all normal.
I am trying to say people shouldn't say the body isn't feminine or doesn't fit some numerical statistics which are rarely ever true, the body is normal and have things people might be unhappy about like any other female.
My mother has big shoulders, my grandma as bigger hands than most women I know, I think maybe my older brothers have smaller hands than her.
My electrologist I think is as wide as my mother's boyfriend (WHO IS BIG!), not to mention tall too.
The woman in the first picture looks amazing and has broad shoulders.
If their body is similar to people here and they are born as normal healthy women, then their and the people's here bodies can't be called a transsexual body.
It is rare for a woman not to have anything in her body to hate, it is rare for a man not to have any feminine feature.
Sometimes it might feel you have too many features but most of them are actually alter-able, for example dieting and corseting can do a lot a straight body type.
broad shoulders? narrow hips? really? are your eyes ok?
i disagree. i see [female] shoulder to hip and waist to hip ratios on all those women.
got to agree with Natasha. the only one possibly with broad like shoulders is the second one and she still has well defined hips. and Tyra Banks - narrow hips?
Goodness I love the way each of those women look. Wish I looked like them! ;)
This thread got me to thinking. Really I wasn't concerned about the shoulder to hip ratio 'cause so much variability in women anyway. But I did take some measurements anyway. Right now I'm 175 lbs which is way down from this time last year. At 5'11 1/2" my shoulders are 19" across while my hips measure 15 1/2" across. I don't think that is so bad though my shoulders have always been wide. I still got some weight to lose but the hips aren't going anywhere. Shoulders maybe. If we do the circumference thing my hips are 37 1/2" around. What worries me is my large rib cage. Can somebody please enlighten me on the proper shoulder to hip ratio? I can easily see 1" dropping off of my shoulders. Once I get on HRT how much width can I expect on the hips? If I could get an inch or even 2 then I could be pretty close to a 1:1 ratio.
If you have muscles and fat you can expect both the shoulders and rib cage measurement to get a bit smaller as you start HRT and lose fat, maybe even quite a bit depends how much muscle and how much fat.
The rib cage isn't just bones, it is surrounded by fat and muscles also hold it up further away.
There is also the possibility of corseting to shape the cartilage which holds the ribs and reduce the rib cage round measurement by some inches.
As for hips, HRT should give the tenancy to gather fat there, you can help it a bit more with corseting, reduce the fat going to the waist and move it more to the hips and a bit above.
No one who transitions past their 20's has a snowball's chance of looking like any of those women, unless there's some genetic thing in the family. Asians are slight of build and can pass off the slender body but those girls in the pics definitely have female hips. That's bone structure my friends and it needs to be developed starting at puberty or you have to win the genetic lottery.
Sorry, but themz how my eyes seez them.
Julie
^ I noticed a lot of older transsexuals and they look like perfect females...
Even for a natural female to look like that though is a lottery ticket.... I think these are unrealistic expectations.
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Those are better expectations. (second one has amazing legs though)
Quote from: Paulina on July 27, 2009, 05:19:31 AM
I think they all have a transsexual body type. (except the third one; but her face looks manly at that pose)
I don't think so somehow.
Most male to female transsexuals have this problem of a bigger upper body and a smaller lower body which is a male body type. It is extreamely hard to reverse this situation and if anyone knows how to do it please let me know with full details and medication / surgery?
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on July 28, 2009, 04:57:08 AM
I don't think so somehow.
Most male to female transsexuals have this problem of a bigger upper body and a smaller lower body which is a male body type. It is extreamely hard to reverse this situation and if anyone knows how to do it please let me know with full details and medication / surgery?
There are hips transplants which apparently are getting more common towards women too.
Fat injections.
Maybe Relaxin? the hormone in pregnancy which causes the pubic bones to widen.
Quote from: Myself on July 28, 2009, 05:40:30 AM
There are hips transplants which apparently are getting more common towards women too.
Fat injections.
Maybe Relaxin? the hormone in pregnancy which causes the pubic bones to widen.
I know they do hip and buttock implants in places like Brazil but I was looking for a more organic approach. The implants from what I've seen do not work well and it usually leads to problems. Unless you get your pelvis cut in two and then widened with pins I can't see it happening or a surgeon to do an operation like that. I've been on HRT for many years and that hasn't had any effect of my fat re-distribution but there must be an answer out there somewhere?
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on July 28, 2009, 08:28:49 AM
I know they do hip and buttock implants in places like Brazil but I was looking for a more organic approach. The implants from what I've seen do not work well and it usually leads to problems. Unless you get your pelvis cut in two and then widened with pins I can't see it happening or a surgeon to do an operation like that. I've been on HRT for many years and that hasn't had any effect of my fat re-distribution but there must be an answer out there somewhere?
http://www.cosmeticsurg.net/blog/2007/06/26/solving-the-problem-of-narrow-hips-injecting-fat-into-the-hips/ (http://www.cosmeticsurg.net/blog/2007/06/26/solving-the-problem-of-narrow-hips-injecting-fat-into-the-hips/)
http://www.torontofatinjection.ca/fat-injection-buttocks.php (http://www.torontofatinjection.ca/fat-injection-buttocks.php)
Among many others!
Quote from: Myself on July 28, 2009, 08:40:59 AM
http://www.cosmeticsurg.net/blog/2007/06/26/solving-the-problem-of-narrow-hips-injecting-fat-into-the-hips/ (http://www.cosmeticsurg.net/blog/2007/06/26/solving-the-problem-of-narrow-hips-injecting-fat-into-the-hips/)
http://www.torontofatinjection.ca/fat-injection-buttocks.php (http://www.torontofatinjection.ca/fat-injection-buttocks.php)
Among many others!
These definitely do not work and the fat injections usually do not stay in the area you want them to. People end up with all kinds of problems with them and it's not an area I want to go down.
Actually fat injections can be permanent, it all depends on the technique and the person who does them.
You need to keep the fat alive so it won't be absorbed by the body, old techniques don't deal with that and inject dead fat which is slowly absorbed by the body just like some implants.
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http://cosmeticsurgerytoday.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/stem-cells-used-for-breast-enlargement/ (http://cosmeticsurgerytoday.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/stem-cells-used-for-breast-enlargement/)
http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Thailand-Breast-Surgery-s-Natural-Option-Using-Stem-Cells/662997 (http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Thailand-Breast-Surgery-s-Natural-Option-Using-Stem-Cells/662997)
I remember finding the link for the japanese clinic once but I am not on my own computer and can't find it at the moment.
You could ask these clinics and see if they'd do the same for the hips!
There is still sillicone
Quote from: Myself on July 27, 2009, 11:16:51 PM
If you have muscles and fat you can expect both the shoulders and rib cage measurement to get a bit smaller as you start HRT and lose fat, maybe even quite a bit depends how much muscle and how much fat.
The rib cage isn't just bones, it is surrounded by fat and muscles also hold it up further away.
There is also the possibility of corseting to shape the cartilage which holds the ribs and reduce the rib cage round measurement by some inches.
As for hips, HRT should give the tenancy to gather fat there, you can help it a bit more with corseting, reduce the fat going to the waist and move it more to the hips and a bit above.
Thanks for the advice. I have been thinking about getting a corset. I've just read horror stories about them on this board though. I also think that it isn't all about fat though that is a big part of it. I've been doing yoga during my weight loss in an attempt to build my glutes and hips and I think it has worked some. But I do think Julie is right in that your bone structure is your bone structure. I don't see the need for silicone implants or surgery. Too much surgery sounds like an ill conceived idea.
Reputable surgeons today won't touch a lot of the ideas posted above. Every one I've talked to says about 50% of the fat or more will be absorbed by the body within a year after the injections.
Hip implants are very invasive and the recovery can be extremely painful. Then you have to hope everything was placed properly and the implant is in the right proportion. There's not a lot of surgeons doing this right now because it is so invasive.
I've heard of the bottom rib being removed to help create a smaller waist and a toe being removed to create a more slender foot. People have gone to extremes to appear more female.
And we don't even have to talk about vocal cord surgery!
The women above started their HRT at a very early age, and naturally. Typically bones stop growing around the age of 25. If you haven't had the hormonal assistance before then or aren't blessed with girly DNA, you're never going to look like that.
Carolyn Cossey (Tula) is XXXY and had a body like the girls shown above without pre-puberty HRT.
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So it can happen but the average XY is dreaming if she thinks she'll ever look like that.
Just be happy with what you have and make the best of it. It's a lot cheaper and will have less complications.
Julie
BTW, HRT won't reduce the bone structure to female-like proportions. Bones don't shrink like that. Once they've grown you have to wait for the aging process to break them down.
the women above are XX, not XY :)
I seen women wider than me which don't look bad, then again I seen really tiny women too but they don't seem to be that common.
Bones are the hardest thing but the surface can be changed easily.. think skin deep.
Quote from: Matilda on July 28, 2009, 06:31:47 PM
I concur with Tasha as well. However, if you are a "twiggy" (thank you sweetie ;D) or have been blessed with an ectomorphic (lollipop) body type since birth like some of us have, I'd say that you have a tremendous advantage over other people who are naturally big-boned & broad-shouldered. Consequently, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It is not like people are measuring your body ratios when you are grocery shopping, walking on the streets, or riding the train.... :P
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I would say the best candidates are those with an endomophic bodyshape. They will have the right shape to start with and can build on that. Ectomorphic bobyshapes are just skinny without much shape or hips. Endomophic's usually have a big lower bodyshape, bigger butt and hips. But it depends if you want to look womanly (my objective) or look like a stick (like some models).
Twig ->-bleeped-<-s make the best figure you can hope for just about.
Quote from: Annwyn D'Fenwyr on July 31, 2009, 12:21:25 AM
Twig ->-bleeped-<-s make the best figure you can hope for just about.
Stick thin ->-bleeped-<-s usually look like men from the back. No hips, no butt, no fat on their legs, no shape..
The original body frame benefits them by having very little if no fat and along with it muscle. So then the hormones work their magic on padding the edges and you get a nice feminine frame.
Sure beats out morbid obesity or some crappy body deal.
Personally, I think "stick thin" is a rather unattractive body shape for anyone, irrespective of gender. If the skinny, scrawny frame is down to having a fast metabolism, then I imagine even hormone treatment will struggle to make any significant difference.
I imagine it's very rare to go from naturally skinny to buxom on HRT. Hormones will change the fat distribution but if you're not laying down much fat, it's not going to help much. If it was just a matter of hormones, there'd be no stick thin women at all (beyond the anorexic etc)
Who said anything about big bones?
I have tiny bones, tiny hands, tiny feet. I think my wrists measure about 6" in circumference. My ankles are about 8 to 8 1/2".
When I was 25 I weighed 150 pounds soaking wet. I don't think my frame has changed much since then either.
Now I do have wide shoulders but I've also got pretty good sized hips. Just 'cause I think my rib cage is large doesn't mean it is relative to other genetic males of my size. The only reason I weigh as much as I do is because of years of eating 8 to 10 thousand calorie a day diet just to maintain the lie. You know trying to fit in. Now that I am not doing that anymore I've lost 80 pounds in a year.
Also, not quite sure why anyone would think we are all destined to look like those girls that Paulina posted. Why all the negativity? I personally think athletic women look the best. Not to thin but certainly not overly muscled or obese. Also, lots of women have small hips. It is called not having children. Some don't expand all that much even after having children.
Quote from: Annwyn D'Fenwyr on July 31, 2009, 12:21:25 AM
Twig ->-bleeped-<-s make the best figure you can hope for just about.
On the second episode of Tyra Banks to feature Isis, there was a young overweight girl who looked incredibly passable, cause all her fat filled out like with any other girl. She looked like she definitely started HRT before 18, though.
http://www.roadcycling.com/articles/Carbon_Clavicle_Implanted_in_Lance_Armstrong_002674.shtml (http://www.roadcycling.com/articles/Carbon_Clavicle_Implanted_in_Lance_Armstrong_002674.shtml)
that's so cool :D shame it's a joke article again :(
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Yay: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2996544.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2996544.stm)
Most female fashion models have very androgenous bodies. The ones posted at the start of this thread were swimsuit models so they are actually considered curvy.
At any rate, there is a wide disparity between body types across both genders. There's no sense to saying it's one way or the other.
I like how I look. I know it's not how a lot of people like women to look in America, but I'm happy with it. I think I'm pretty stunning honestly, and I would not trade my looks with any other woman really. I think I look how I'm supposed to look. It's me.
Plus to be honest, it's not really about your body really, it's about what you wear on it. If you wear the right clothes any body type can look amazing.
It may never have happened to any of you before but: Have you ever asked peeps the same question again even though you know the answer? It's just to seek approval and reassurance, innit?
Whilst I agree that some things in life are rarely pretty, it's important to be aware of them. It's better to be prepared than taken by surprise. I wish I'd known then what I know now. My case is very personal & a bit off topic. I'm not saying that it'll happen to you since everybody's experience is unique but I think it's worth mentioning.
I was so naive. I thought I had the world at my feet because I was starting mones at 24, not an old age when you think about it. I thought the mones were going to make me into a beauty queen. Foolish me, the mones did nothing. 3 years into cross-sex hormones therapy & I'd only been transformed into a feminised male & as a feminised male I couldn't live socially as a woman. I was devastated. Thought my transition was over.
FFS did marvelous things for me, allowed me to live a normal life, transformed me from barely passable to female without question. I've learnt that a person can have the most feminine body in the whole world but if she looks like a feminised man & not like a woman, it's impossible to make the social transition. Peeps hardly look at your body, they look at your face, listen to your voice, study your mannerisms & draw their conclusions from that. A hard lesson learnt but it's never too late to keep learning.
I always said to my friends that my voice and face are the things I want to improve first.
I agree, they ARE the most important things.
But who doesn't want a good body too?
I said shush girl, shut yo lips, do the hellen keller and talk with yo hips.
Quote from: Leslie on August 01, 2009, 04:40:39 AM
I was so naive. I thought I had the world at my feet because I was starting mones at 24, not an old age when you think about it. I thought the mones were going to [give me a female body]. Foolish me, the mones did nothing. 3 years into cross-sex hormones therapy & I'd only been transformed into a feminised male ...
I just wanted to jump aboard and totally agree with you and Matilda.
It's important that girls who start HRT have realistic expectations. HRT feminizes, sure... but it's fairly subtle on what it does to the body (aside from the breasts for the lucky girls). I share only because it would have helped me tremendously to have had tempered my expectations before I started HRT.
forget beauty queen, how about at least female for starters? :/
fixed. :laugh:
HRT: hope for the best, prepare for and expect the worse.
if you aren't a [beauty queen] after one year on hrt, it should be a pretty good indication that you ain't gonna become one. oops! did i crush anybody's pipe dreams? good! it's time to wake up and smell a blunt!
Quote from: Natasha on August 01, 2009, 07:15:24 PM
if you aren't a [beauty queen] after one year on hrt, it should be a pretty good indication that you ain't gonna become one. oops! did i crush anybody's pipe dreams? good! it's time to wake up and smell a blunt!
OORAH for logic!
HRT did everything I thought it would. I do think you have to be reasonable. If you have a body like Rosie O'Donnel, you're not going to take hormones and turn into Michelle Fox.
But it is pretty radically effective IMO. It just takes a lot of time. If you look at pictures of yourself when you started HRT, and pictures like 6 or 7 years later, you'll look a lot different.
HRT definitely changed my facial planes slightly enough, and it did give me bigger hips, some small breasts, and my skin is softer and looks a little diffrent.
To me those are really major changes, and all without getting cut up by a knife.
I agree with Sarah. All I expected from HRT was muscle reduction, attitude adjustment and some minor changes. That's what I got. If I'd gotten anymore, I'd go insane.
Believe it or not, I like seeing myself in the mirror. Regardless of gender, I'll never alter myself so far that I won't know who I am when I first wake up and look at myself.
Jack Nicholson said it best in A Few Good Men: "You want answers? You can't handle the truth!"
I also find it interesting that many who post conflicting points of view seem to be resolved to hold to their opinion whether they are right or wrong. Not just here but on many forums. I really look at these places as a great way to learn more... So if someone says something that you don't think is right, why not Google or Yahoo, do some research, contact an expert and learn something new instead of holding onto an untruth or myth. Very often it's an opinion that is based on wrong or simply outdated information. What's the harm in saying "Wow I didn't know that!" Isn't that why we're all here? To learn?
Quote from: Leslie on August 02, 2009, 06:20:31 AM
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I also find it interesting that many who post conflicting points of view seem to be resolved to hold to their opinion whether they are right or wrong. Not just here but on many forums. I really look at these places as a great way to learn more... So if someone says something that you don't think is right, why not Google or Yahoo, do some research, contact an expert and learn something new instead of holding onto an untruth or myth. Very often it's an opinion that is based on wrong or simply outdated information. What's the harm in saying "Wow I didn't know that!" Isn't that why we're all here? To learn?
The simple answer to this is psychology. People are far more likely to dig their heels in on a position when challenged in a public (or pseudo-public) setting. This is something diplomats, politicians, senior people managers etc. often get taught.
If you need to bring someone around, you need to discuss in a one-on-one setting ideally. In a group meeting, a public committee or a forum, people just don't want to "lose face" by being wrong. They'll argue strenuously for their point of view, even chasing down a point of secondary minutia just to establish some credible "correctness".
When the debate gets emotional, this amplifies the phenomenon because
nobody likes to concede a point to someone who adopts a style of arrogant belligerence.
Also, as the default for most people is to assume that their perception of the world (or any particular issue) is fundamentally correct, that explains why this is so commonly observed.
The internet truly is flypaper for morons...and I'm not immune either (bzzz, bzzz) :)
Quote from: Annwyn D'Fenwyr on July 31, 2009, 07:47:35 AM
The original body frame benefits them by having very little if no fat and along with it muscle. So then the hormones work their magic on padding the edges and you get a nice feminine frame.
Sure beats out morbid obesity or some crappy body deal.
It might work for you hon but I've been on HRT for over 10 years and it hasn't worked yet for me. I'm pretty thin and try and keep fit and any fat goes on my belly even if I don't want it there!
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on August 02, 2009, 11:53:17 AM
It might work for you hon but I've been on HRT for over 10 years and it hasn't worked yet for me. I'm pretty thin and try and keep fit and any fat goes on my belly even if I don't want it there!
I'm in the same predicament as far as fat placement. However, I was never tall nor thin, just short and muscular. Obsessing over diet with trial and error and learning what gets your body looking best as far as activity or lack of activity has gotten me where I am; I've still got so far to go though.
Waking up and doing an ab routine right after brushing my teeth has helped enormously, as well as avoiding EVER "pigging out" and avoiding high sodium or prepackaged foods like the plague. Genetic women put themselves through hell with cardio and dieting and laxatives, not to mention all the other cosmetic stuff, just to keep to standards. It only makes sense that we should try just as hard if not harder.
Quote from: Annwyn D'Fenwyr on August 02, 2009, 01:38:40 PM
I'm in the same predicament as far as fat placement. However, I was never tall nor thin, just short and muscular. Obsessing over diet with trial and error and learning what gets your body looking best as far as activity or lack of activity has gotten me where I am; I've still got so far to go though.
Waking up and doing an ab routine right after brushing my teeth has helped enormously, as well as avoiding EVER "pigging out" and avoiding high sodium or prepackaged foods like the plague. Genetic women put themselves through hell with cardio and dieting and laxatives, not to mention all the other cosmetic stuff, just to keep to standards. It only makes sense that we should try just as hard if not harder.
I try and do that but to be honest I looked better physically before I started on HRT. Yes, I was fairly thin before and now I have a pot belly. I've been on HRT for over a decade and the HRT is trying to make the fat but it seems to go for a male type fat distribution pattern. Before HRT I could easily control fat around the tummy but on HRT this is where the fat always only accumilates. I want to get the fat on my legs and butt but my legs are so thin you can see they are very boney. Also the ratio of the upper body is wrong compared to the lower ratio. So I am a bigger size upper body than lower body. Females are the opposite.
But I'm not about to give up just yet...
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on August 03, 2009, 05:37:49 AM
I try and do that but to be honest I looked better physically before I started on HRT. Yes, I was fairly thin before and now I have a pot belly. I've been on HRT for over a decade and the HRT is trying to make the fat but it seems to go for a male type fat distribution pattern. Before HRT I could easily control fat around the tummy but on HRT this is where the fat always only accumilates. I want to get the fat on my legs and butt but my legs are so thin you can see they are very boney. Also the ratio of the upper body is wrong compared to the lower ratio. So I am a bigger size upper body than lower body. Females are the opposite.
But I'm not about to give up just yet...
Hi Natural Blonde,
What body types do the other women in your family have? Some women can't gain weight on their hips. I was one. All my fat went to my stomach and breasts. If the rest the women in your family aren't hippy, this may be the reason.
If you devoted yourself to cardio 2 hours a day minimum and held a mostly starch/veggie/lean meat diet then you'd see results.
Fat distribution is more determined by birth than by body chemistry, a fact all these wikipedia parrots with no formal medical education fail to admit in their spamming up the boards of the, "laws" of HRT and transition.
Your body is born with a certain fat distribution and the fat in your body naturally goes to those fat cells. You can't kill those fat cells, you simply have more in your torso than anywhere else and thus will continue to have more there until they die.
Liposuction is an amazing way to kill fat cells, seeing as it removes them from the body entirely instead of merely shrinking the mass of them through diet and exercise. The cost is 3,000-6,500USD. I'd suggest getting a thorough one, and maybe even another one a year later. Most people I've seen who have had even one have a difficult time putting weight back onto their stomachs unless they're simply friggin outrageous with their eating habits.
It's something to think about.
--Ann
fat cells also multiply if they have to, if you can too much weight.
if too many cells are removed, more will grow elsewhere.
This can soemtimes lead to weird fat pattern
QuoteFat distribution is more determined by birth than by body chemistry, a fact all these wikipedia parrots with no formal medical education fail to admit in their spamming up the boards of the, "laws" of HRT and transition.
Your body is born with a certain fat distribution and the fat in your body naturally goes to those fat cells
To expand on this, the distribution of fat cells and the distribution of fat are subtly different things.
Imagine you have 20 buckets and 100 tennis balls. The buckets represent fat cells, each capable of holding, say, 20 "tennis balls" of fat.
Now imagine you have a female "room" and a male "room", each with the same distribution of
buckets.
The distribution of balls into those buckets doesn't have to be the same, of course, and that's the hormonal influence. The balls are distributed in different quantities into different buckets between the two rooms.
Hence, hormones
do make a difference to the distribution of fat, just not the distribution of fat cells,
Excellent elaboration.
Quote from: Annwyn D'Fenwyr on August 03, 2009, 06:59:44 AM
If you devoted yourself to cardio 2 hours a day minimum and held a mostly starch/veggie/lean meat diet then you'd see results.
--Ann
That's my diet exactely and I see no results?
Then lower the starches. Or tummy tuck. Or talk to your doc bout adderall.
The abdominal midsection is a primary fat store and is one of the last to be reduced. You cannot "target" fat burning, say by doing abdominal crunches to slim the waist or leg-raises to slim the legs.
The metabolism works holistically across the entire body. The only way to reduce fat is to ensure your calorific consumption exceeds your calorific intake. Diet & exercise like Annwyn said.
However, as it's my day for analogies (hehe!), let me put it this way. If the fat stores on your hips, buttocks and arms are small saucepans, your abdomen is a wok! If you fill them full of fat and do exercise, you'll deplete them all at a similar rate but it'll take longer to empty the wok - that's why your pot belly is almost always the last thing to go.
Now, why is this? Well, storing fat is a survival mechanism - our bodies are basically the same as they have been for a LONG time (long before Subway opened up on the street corner). In days of yore, pre-civilisation and like with all wild animals, storing fat was an essential way to maintain an energy reserve when food wasn't guaranteed to be in plentiful supply.
There's no point storing fat in large quantities on arms and legs, as that is just extra mass to move, which burns more valuable calories...it also would affect your agility. The abdomen is the most energy-effective location to carry fat where it will get burnt the least (yeah, sucks doesn't it) - and that's why the largest fat cell deposits are there.
Liposuction gets rid of the fat cells where it is applied, which means less fat can be deposited in that location. Unfortunately it won't help unless you change your diet because the *same* amount of fat will still be laid down...just in different areas where you do still have fat cells. So, if you lipo your gut and still trough the cookies, you'll end up with flabby elbows and knees.
The conclusion is simple - burn more calories than you ingest and instead of starving, use physical exercise to help raise the burn rate (starving actually promotes fat storage).
Eat more slowly too. There is a surprisingly long latency with signals from an expanding stomach reaching the brain. Take your time to savour each mouthful and you may well find yourself feeling a little fuller earlier. Or, as Jo Brand said, "we get fat because this hole" (pointing at mouth) "is bigger than this hole" (pointing at backside).
About spot reduction:
I am a firm disbeliever of most of it. However, decades of pro athletes, bodybuilders, and even my personal experience contradict it. The people in the gym actually working out seem to have a slight disagreement with the lab nerds who're about as muscular as an 80 year old grandma. I wonder who knows more of what they're talking about...
If you're fat, situps won't do the trick, or even do any good at all. If you're incredibly slim and have a very thin layer of adipose tissue between you and your sixpack, doing some pilates will do the trick better than starving yourself.
hehehe...and of course pro-athletes etc. should have a high calorific burn rate to complement any spot reduction. Find me long term lipo success on a couch potato! :)
Ooh that reminds me - ever seen the results of those stomach banding ops? That's a drastic way to reduce calorific intake by simply shrinking the stomach to a teeny size. I remember seeing a docco on one enormous fat bastard who had to eat defrosted "ice cubes" of pureed food (babyfood basically) after a stomach banding because anything more than that would rupture what was left. It took months for it to swell to anything like a normal size and, by then, he had gotten into the habit of eating less.
Prior to the op, he was consuming up to 20,000 calories a day! (40 pints of beer, 8 - yes, 8! - full entree sized curries, etc.). You'd need a canary in a cage in *his* bedroom! (And I don't even want to imagine how he wiped his nethers...he could barely reach around his own corpulent buttocks)
also eliminate carbs from your diet.
eat high fat diet mid protein very low carb.
if you eat high carbs, you burn the carbs and keep the old fat.
if you eat high fat, you store the new fat and burn the old one
That sounds like a perversion of The Atkins Diet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkins_diet#Misconceptions_about_the_diet).
With all due respect to Myself, I'd recommend against such a diet unless recommended and supervised by a qualified and accredited dietitian. You're competing with the body's natural metabolic processes which can cause real problems.
I've seen this first hand with excessive fatige due to carb starvation, resulting in near collapse on stairs etc.. Fat is slow burn and can't keep up with rapid changes in energy demands.
Annwyn -
I love how everything turns into exercise / eating regimens haha.
From what it looks like though, you've had amazing success with it and you've done training all your life so I don't see how I wouldn't believe you :]
Wow, the thread for short, young women with fascination for ideals! I'll never be a swimsuit model, but the right clothing does wonders for concealing the less then traditional pattern of 'idealized femininity' that seems to predominate this thread. And, the majority of 'genetic women' that are in my friend circle, and heck, see everyday in the street and at work don't follow those patterns, lol. I guess that I'm just of a mind that one can't get obsessed about being shaped according to some ideal stick and paper, /barbie doll. Doesn't hurt to try, nor be in good shape, go pilates and low carb!, *smiles*, but at some point you just have to live life and be you! It's easier when one is very tall and has already made acceptance with the things that she cannot change.
Blah, *huggs*,
Melan
Melan,
You seem cool as hell.
--Ann
Quote from: Melan on August 03, 2009, 04:47:17 PM
Wow, the thread for short, young women with fascination for ideals! I'll never be a swimsuit model, but the right clothing does wonders for concealing the less then traditional pattern of 'idealized femininity' that seems to predominate this thread. And, the majority of 'genetic women' that are in my friend circle, and heck, see everyday in the street and at work don't follow those patterns, lol. I guess that I'm just of a mind that one can't get obsessed about being shaped according to some ideal stick and paper, /barbie doll. Doesn't hurt to try, nor be in good shape, go pilates and low carb!, *smiles*, but at some point you just have to live life and be you! It's easier when one is very tall and has already made acceptance with the things that she cannot change.
Blah, *huggs*,
Melan
I said this too!!!
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on August 04, 2009, 12:47:36 AM
I said this too!!!
Yeah, I copied! ;D
Just kidding ;) ... but it was an obvious thing to post on this thread, I'm good at stating the obvious :P
Quote from: Melan on August 04, 2009, 12:59:01 AM
Yeah, I copied! ;D
Just kidding ;) ... but it was an obvious thing to post on this thread
I know right. I'm always happy to see other girls pushing a more positive outlook on our lives. I think the internerdz often tilts to a more negative out of touch view of life. Especially in the trans community. So yeah, high five.
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on August 04, 2009, 01:12:29 AM
I know right. I'm always happy to see other girls pushing a more positive outlook on our lives. I think the internerdz often tilts to a more negative out of touch view of life. Especially in the trans community. So yeah, high five.
Lol, I re-read through your post, and I did match it verbatim! Yikes, sorry!
It's like when I started doing my blog here, Meghan's first comment was how it all seemed so familiar, I guess it was very much like her blog. It's like everyone has lived a life like mine before me, lol. Yes, I guess I'm pretty common, 'a run of the mill' MtF transsexual, :-* . Oh well, I'll quit hijacking this thread, and go back to work! ooops ;)
*huggs*,
Melan
A bit late to this topic, but I just wanted to say at the age of 50 and 17 months on HRT pre/op mtf a lot can be done by exercise, diet, corsets, clothing and determination.
Stardust
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on August 02, 2009, 01:13:25 AM
HRT did everything I thought it would. I do think you have to be reasonable. If you have a body like Rosie O'Donnel, you're not going to take hormones and turn into Michelle Fox.
But it is pretty radically effective IMO. It just takes a lot of time. If you look at pictures of yourself when you started HRT, and pictures like 6 or 7 years later, you'll look a lot different.
HRT definitely changed my facial planes slightly enough, and it did give me bigger hips, some small breasts, and my skin is softer and looks a little diffrent.
To me those are really major changes, and all without getting cut up by a knife.
Yeah, but if you start looking as Silvester Stallone, maybe ending looking as Rossie O'Donell is a great progress ;D
i noticed in alot of your avatars that you have seemingly less brow prominence? is this because of the fat redistribution from HRT?
Quote from: TristanV on September 04, 2009, 02:54:02 AM
i noticed in alot of your avatars that you have seemingly less brow prominence? is this because of the fat redistribution from HRT?
I had mine shaved off. Although, my avatar picture is from like 2 months on Hormones. It was rather small to begin with.
Quote from: TristanV on September 04, 2009, 02:54:02 AM
i noticed in alot of your avatars that you have seemingly less brow prominence? is this because of the fat redistribution from HRT?
No HRT does not affect bone structure but yes it does redistribute fat somewhat. It think the avatars you are referring to is merely genetic and is the luck of the draw in what you have to work with pre transition. HRT will soften the features a little.
Stardust