Quote from: Arch on August 08, 2009, 12:01:44 AM
I think it's not just the absence of a penis that will doom me--it's also the presence of the female genitals.
I decided that I didn't wanted genital surgery unless it could give me the real thing in one procedure, without a large risk of complications or revisions. I don't want meta, and I don't think meta would help me much in the gay world. But I have to admit...at least with meta, I could get a vaginectomy and balls.
I have very mixed feelings about my front hole, but I don't want to trade it in for anything less than a fully functional and cosmetically pleasing penis. So I'm staying put. And I can't afford meta anyway.
I wish I could poll all the single gay and bi guys in my county and ask them the same questions that Nero posed in the OP. That would give me a place to start. Hey, Nero, how do you feel about becoming a door to door pollster?
You should look into HGH. Which is what I am doing. Mister has spoken a lot about it - it can give you a realistic size, and with surgery, even better results than a phalloplasty. I think the surgical techniques for that would be simply a meta, or something similar, but your dick size in the end would be... Well. Realistic.
It may only work with some guys but it has shown pretty damn good results. But it is expensive without insurance.
I just feel like spreading my growing knowledge of growth hormone because I want to see if I can help those who are particularly afflicted by dysphoria "down there".
Quote from: Adrian on August 08, 2009, 12:24:59 AM
You should look into HGH. Which is what I am doing. Mister has spoken a lot about it - it can give you a realistic size, and with surgery, even better results than a phalloplasty. I think the surgical techniques for that would be simply a meta, or something similar, but your dick size in the end would be... Well. Realistic.
It may only work with some guys but it has shown pretty damn good results. But it is expensive without insurance.
I just feel like spreading my growing knowledge of growth hormone because I want to see if I can help those who are particularly afflicted by dysphoria "down there".
not to derail the convo here, but are there any pictures of results from this HGH plan? Clit growth varies from guy to guy and some guys end up with enough to penetrate off T (supposedly). It would help to know if HGH shows consistent results or if some guys just got lucky. :)
Quote from: Nero on August 08, 2009, 12:32:32 AM
not to derail the convo here, but are there any pictures of results from this HGH plan? Clit growth varies from guy to guy and some guys end up with enough to penetrate off T. It would help to know if HGH shows consistent results or if some guys just got lucky. :)
We're sort of off topic, but I, too, would like more substantive info about HGH. Anyone know where there's more info? I guess I could google certain keywords...but it would be nice to get direct references, especially if a google search turns up useless results.
split into a new topic. :)
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I wasn't able to find anything googling HGH and ftms. So, far a lot of articles on HGH and aging. I'm hoping for a stash of clit photos somewhere. :laugh:
Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 01:06:00 AM
There are no studies on the effectiveness of HGH in FTM penile development and I've never met another FTM who's taken it. No photos will be made available of my results.
ah darn. :laugh:
Quote from: Nero on August 08, 2009, 01:10:52 AM
ah darn. :laugh:
I was about to say the same thing, Nero. All in good fun, of course.
So Mister, I guess that makes you a pioneer. :)
Just because I love you guys to the deepest reaches of my heart, I think I'd be willing to make a photo diary of sorts, to show my experience with HGH should I be able to get some. (Hopefully). I just think something like this should be available. I am horrendously self-conscious but so what? If it would do someone a good service, I'd be willing to do it.
Oh, and - a little research in penile development in genetic males will yield some interesting conclusions. To bring it into perspective, think about how a male fetuses' genitals change in the womb. The infant is born with a small penis, at best only an inch in length. (And this is by total estimate, I have no idea the average length of an infant penis, as I don't look into this very often :laugh:). Testosterone alone will grow the penis to about this size. Most of the growth associated with an adult male penis occurs during puberty, when HGH is being secreted at its highest level. Along with causing bone growth, HGH probably has the function of growing male genitals. Now, I think a person not taking (or producing) testosterone would not experience genital growth - nor would a man who had normal growth during adolescence - but from what I have seen, men with growth hormone deficiency (which causes "buried penis" - very similar to the size of the enlarged clitoris often associated with growth due to T) will see enough growth to give them an average size and function. So, if HGH contributes to genital growth in cisgendered males, both during an "average" puberty and later in life should they have a deficiency of HGH, then I think it would be only logical to draw the conclusion that it would help us.
Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 02:20:14 AM
That, along with a bunch more biochemistry, is exactly what i pitched to my doctor.
Should I prepare a bunch of biochemistry to throw at her, or do you think with that simple explanation, she would be satisfied? I suppose it is really a case-to-case matter. Would this biochemistry only be available in the endocrinologist texts you mentioned? Finding those seems highly unlikely.
Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 02:28:11 AM
I based my biochem argument on information from an endocrinology class and it's supportive texts. where else they'd be available, i'm not sure.
If need be, one could certainly correspond with an endocrinologist.
In fact, seeing as most people aren't likely to come into possession of these texts or go to an class in endocrinology, it may come in handy to simply talk to someone more experienced.
I'd be up for photo-documenting my results with HGH as well if I'm able to talk my doctor into prescribing it.
Not just cause I love ya guys but because.. well.. I take pleasure in the idea that my results and experiences can be helpful for others.
Quote from: Miniar on August 08, 2009, 07:18:25 AM
I'd be up for photo-documenting my results with HGH as well if I'm able to talk my doctor into prescribing it.
Not just cause I love ya guys but because.. well.. I take pleasure in the idea that my results and experiences can be helpful for others.
I agree, I would ask well :)
Jay
Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 09:20:55 AM
i appreciate your sentiments that you'd make your results publicly viewable, but look at the comments of pretty any bottom surg photo-- nothing about people talking about it's imperfections, how it's not good enough, etc etc. i'm sure that you'd probably change your tunes, or at very least second guess your decision to share you photos w/ others.
That is something to think about. I am not exactly charmed by that idea, so it's more likely I'd just show my results to those who came to me asking for them for a specific reason.
Quote from: Mister on August 08, 2009, 09:20:55 AM
i appreciate your sentiments that you'd make your results publicly viewable, but look at the comments of pretty any bottom surg photo-- nothing about people talking about it's imperfections, how it's not good enough, etc etc. i'm sure that you'd probably change your tunes, or at very least second guess your decision to share you photos w/ others.
good point. nobody wants their junk picked apart like that.
I'll just put mine up somewhere where there is NO OPTION to comment ;)
Quote from: Miniar on August 08, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
I'll just put mine up somewhere where there is NO OPTION to comment ;)
That's always good, but you know the fools will be thinking it. So it is basically a matter of whether you want them thinking it or just saying it. Either way, I wouldn't be adverse to helping others by giving them pictures, as individuals for a purpose.
I'd appreciate some pictures, as I want to know what I'd be getting into. It's not like I have any other way to find out whether or not HGH is worth it.
SilverFang
Quote from: SilverFang on August 08, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
I'd appreciate some pictures, as I want to know what I'd be getting into. It's not like I have any other way to find out whether or not HGH is worth it.
SilverFang
Exactly, and it can be expensive.
But it's unlikely I'll even start HGH and T for... Another few months at the earliest. However, I'm sure there will be more people interested in these things, and I would be glad to help them.
Hi guys I know this really isn't my area to be posting in but I found it quite interesting.
I did a bit of creative googling and came up with this about WWE start Joanie Laurer. Now I can't say how accurate this information is and I don't know what steroids she was actually on if any but the images (LINK REMOVED) had me wondering a bit.
I didn't post this for any pornographic purpose so if the mods feel it is inappropriate please remove it. It is intended for informational purposes only.
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On second thought... just Google Joanie Laurer
Quote from: Cami on August 09, 2009, 02:34:14 AM
Hi guys I know this really isn't my area to be posting in but I found it quite interesting.
I did a bit of creative googling and came up with this about WWE start Joanie Laurer. Now I can't say how accurate this information is and I don't know what steroids she was actually on if any but the images (LINK REMOVED) had me wondering a bit.
I didn't post this for any pornographic purpose so if the mods feel it is inappropriate please remove it. It is intended for informational purposes only.
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On second thought... just Google Joanie Laurer
I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for, any search shows only pictures of a woman, no reason to be seen as pornographic in any sense.
I googled around and all I could find was suspicion of steroid use because of the size of her clitoris...
I'm not sure what it has to do with this thread however.
I used the google image search mostly. I'll end the link via PM if any one is interested. I though it relevant because I remember reading a few years back that she had been taking HGH and the pictures I found seemed to substantiate that. But, I don't know it the results I saw were any different/better then what you would get by T alone. I did read another article that claimed the clitoris could grow by as much as 2 to 3 inches as a result of taking HGH. But then again that was from a site that sold steroids and such.
I would like the link.
Me too! However I think I have found it..
So she is rumoured to have taken steriods then?
T is steriods though...
Im confuzled!
Jay
She claims she's never taken anabolic steroids of any kind.
I don't know whether she said it herself but there's some suggestion she's taken HGH.
Apparently, that growth is thus from HGH alone..
WOW that is truly amazing.. I might talk to my doctor next time I see him about it.. Because I would be extremely happy with those results..
Jay
That + T sounds lovely to me. ;D
LOL! she's almost as big as me after 13 months on Estrogen and anti-androgens.
But seriously, I could be happy with a man that size.
can I have the link?
I wouldn't likely be happy with myself at that size, but I can see T, HGH and surgery all contributing to a better sense of comfort and wellness.
Okay, I've got to have this link, too. Pretty please?
I'll send it to you guys :)
Quote from: Cami on August 09, 2009, 10:56:27 PM
I'll send it to you guys :)
Ah, alright, I just PMed Arch to say I'd send the link because I wasn't sure you were online. But good to hear that'll be taken care of.
Quote from: Mister on August 09, 2009, 11:09:06 PM
She's lying. women go on HGH all the time and don't get massive clits.
That's what I was
thinking initially. It's often therapeutic, right?
So her clit is large because of steroids.
So, is it safe to assume she may just be "lucky", or has been on it a long while?
I wouldn't be surprised if she'd been on both testosterone and HGH.
So, is that something like the final results we would obtain from HGH and T, or did she likely not take as much T as transitioning guys are usually on? Sort of confusing, really. But I can't say I'm all too impressed with her results. :P
Quote from: Adrian on August 09, 2009, 11:23:24 PM
So, is that something like the final results we would obtain from HGH and T, or did she likely not take as much T as transitioning guys are usually on? Sort of confusing, really. But I can't say I'm all too impressed with her results. :P
Really? I thought it was pretty nice.
wonder if hers grew from overuse of steroids.
Quote from: Nero on August 09, 2009, 11:34:46 PM
Really? I thought it was pretty nice.
wonder if hers grew from overuse of steroids.
Yeah, I suppose. But still pretty small, at least... to me.
I've seen some trans guys grow dicks bigger than that, and with T by itself. But they're probably the lucky ones. :-\
Well, if she was once on T and is no longer, having estrogen once again become the predominant hormone in her system may have messed w/ whatever growth she's gotten.
it's impossible to speculate, really.
Quote from: Mister on August 10, 2009, 12:05:21 AM
Well, if she was once on T and is no longer, having estrogen once again become the predominant hormone in her system may have messed w/ whatever growth she's gotten.
it's impossible to speculate, really.
Could have been a low dose, too. Just trying to gain its benefits without its "side effects" - you can tell her face has masculinized. So a long period of a low dose of T could have given her those results.
Yet again, though, like you said - it's hard to tell.
But I want more than
that. (Yes, I am aiming for the stars, I know)
Quote from: Adrian on August 10, 2009, 12:11:07 AM
Could have been a low dose, too. Just trying to gain its benefits without its "side effects" - you can tell her face has masculinized. So a long period of a low dose of T could have given her those results.
Yet again, though, like you said - it's hard to tell.
But I want more than that. (Yes, I am aiming for the stars, I know)
body builders don't take 'low' doses of t, they take thousands of mg at a time.
Quote from: Mister on August 10, 2009, 12:15:09 AM
body builders don't take 'low' doses of t, they take thousands of mg at a time.
Really?
Well, I'm ignorant on such matters.
It must have been something akin to going in short bursts on and off or something... Eh, I wouldn't know.
Some googling on my part has led me to a couple of sites stating clitoral growth as a possible side effect of HGH.
I'd read a bit about her. I believe HGH is still classified as a steroid hormone because of it's makeup. She had some FFS to trim her jaw and such, but before the FFS and implants she looked just like a man with long hair. She is suspected of having CAH (google it) or a partial hermaphrodite or maybe PCOS. She could have produced the testosterone on her own, and taken HGH and that could have caused it.
I'm pretty sure it's a combination effect of the two hormones.
SilverFang
Quote from: SilverFang on August 10, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
I'd read a bit about her. I believe HGH is still classified as a steroid hormone because of it's makeup. She had some FFS to trim her jaw and such, but before the FFS and implants she looked just like a man with long hair. She is suspected of having CAH (google it) or a partial hermaphrodite or maybe PCOS. She could have produced the testosterone on her own, and taken HGH and that could have caused it.
I'm pretty sure it's a combination effect of the two hormones.
SilverFang
Well, due to our findings of HGH and T's effect on genital growth - which, in men with buried penis can result in a normal size after treatment - I find it hard to believe she'd be even of acceptable female makeup after that, unless she didn't take much. Even if she were intersex, which could be likely, it would probably yield similar results to genetic men getting treatment.
I am seeing my doctor tomorrow and was wondering whether anyone had anymore information on HGH or Testo cream for me to give him!
I already have the documents that Josh sent me but that is it.
Cheers
Jay
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but I was skimming this one and noticed speculation between some users on how a female body builder who takes 1000+mg of steroids to gain muscle could have a clit only so big as compared to a transguy...
From what I understand, people who use steroids for body building don't have it in their system CONSTANTLY the same way a transguy is lined up to. While a transguy may be on a smaller therapeutic dose, he is supposed to have it in his system constantly, period. Isn't T bioactive for two weeks, usually? Body builders will go through 'cycles' of steroid use, where they use, gain mass, and then try to maintain and build upon that before they go through another cycle of steroid use- injecting more at a time doesn't mean it lasts longer, it'll still only be in their body for however many weeks, and afterward they give it a break. Not that I'm an expert. :) But hopefully that clears it up some.
Quote from: Cairus on May 11, 2010, 04:51:18 AM
Isn't T bioactive for two weeks, usually?
Depends on what it's suspended in. T in water must be injected daily. It has a really short half-life in the blood.