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how do YOU..FTM folks see yourselves relating to and with us bio males, in social circles?
I am not-------criticizing or saying THIS or THAT way is wrong.
I would like YOUR feedback.
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i.e.--
you are at the gas station,...saturday night...gassing the car,...and there is of course how many other folks running around and carrying on coz it's the weekend...ya have to go in and get sodas and chips and whatever else...............
so, tell me........how do YOU feel about interjecting with bio males?
nervous--scared---hesitant...what is a good or bad side comment or topic for you to use or stay away from?
what do YOU see as accepted body language FOR a guy?
how do you overall act?
I am really interested to hear...
thanks
take care out there
I just act like any other guy. I'm aware that I'm a lot smaller and shorter than most, so I'll be cautious about crowds of drunk teenage males, but otherwise, guys don't interact with other strange guys much other than a nod or a flick of the hand, and I don't either.
Dennis
so, by your answer, you are not uncomfy in public, waiting in lines, and walking around,..hand gestures, male stance, etc etc........
interesting.
coz see in my head,....I would think FTM would be nervous about how they come across in public....
I am happy to hear ....you...are doing well.
thanks
interesting ! ... because if it was me I'ed be nervice as all get out !
I know how BIO Males react... and it would make me very nervice to go out in public eather being MTF or FTM ... Human Male Rednecks are a dangerous sort to find or be arround.
if you happen to find them at the right place and the right time you could wind up in the hospital just because you walked by ....
and if I'm the only one here that reconizes this, I got some Paranoia teaching to do !
heheheheheh
Bob........
Most guys have never heard of an FtM. Those who have wouldn't recognize one if they saw him, except for maybe a very early in transition or pre-T guy.
And that might be what you, Bob and Veronica, are thinking of - an early transition or pre-T guy. Most transguys blend in and are entirely unremarkable after long enough on T. I'd be as much at risk walking by those guys as you would, Bob. And obviously there are some groups of guys anyone would be a fool to mess with or even just walk near. But your average crowd of joes at the gas station, no worries for either of us.
Dennis
Those who have wouldn't recognize one if they saw him, except for maybe a very early in transition or pre-T guy.
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umm? is it just me here? bio males DO have that ever tattletale called..an adam's apple..........!
what you mean wouldn't know?
most folks ain't that dumb.
every bio male "I" know...looks for...that tattletale.
but that's my just neck o' the woods? dunno.
I know at least 1 FTM that grew an adam's apple. :)
Melissa
as the new kids of today say it.........
kewllllll
Not all bio males have a very pronounced Adam's Apple, and the Adam's Apples of most FTMs grow with testosterone. Also, you don't see many males looking around and checking other guys' necks. I have a low tenor (beginning the drop to baritone), a masculine face shape, and am taller than most of the guys in my dorm--how could they possibly read me as a girl? Do you know any girls with a deep voice and a flat chest?
Yeah, I know lots of guys who's adam's apple doesn't show at all. It has to be really large to stand out, like my really skinny, tall friend who has a thin neck but a large apple.
I get nervous around guys because I know that I'm obviously not like them. I'm eccstatic when I fit in with them, even a little bit. When I meet new guys I don't feel natural, since I know I don't look natural. Still pre-T by the way. Even though I confuse some people as to my gender, I think it's fairly obvious if you see me from the back or the side, with my huge curvy bum. Blegh.
okay okay okay
fear of not fitting in..
not a big big deal being girlie..to a point.
girlie ya ain't gotta worry about locker room jokes and talk about service time or the ole lady and the kids..and aww she's just a woman and got no idea how hard it is being a man...
ya don't have to rough it up and be super macho man....
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now being a guy......
I feel bad for those FTM coz I worry about those joke times, and the service talk..and the woman at home and all about..holy jeez it's her-time again...and how owly she is...
all that macho guy talk........
FTM...you have no experience AS a guy...so I fear some time some how...some one will say something and the FTM will have no answer...............OH BOY....
ok..soapbox over
Consider that, other than the TS experience, how radically different of a viewpoint FtM and MtF's have. Veronica, FtM's are men just like any other man intellectually, regardless of their state of transition, and they fit in with other men almost intuitively / naturally.
Of course, some things need to be learned because of differences in socialization, that goes for both MtF's and FtM's though.
Do you really think things are going to be that different for a MtF?
When you go to the Doctor and you're asked when your last cycle was?
Or when you are with a group of women friends and pregnancy, ovulation, menarche, development or about a thousand other topics that are very GG specific comes up?
Besides, as a guy all you have to do is mumble, "yup, know how that is" and you're set, regardless of the topic. As a girl, other women expect conversation and answers.
Just some thoughts
Jessica
Veronica,
I act as any other guy in any place. No one bats an eye. As long as we pass physically, then the rest is just attitude. Guys as strangers dont interact too much other than a forced hey whats up, or a head nod. Thats about it.
I have had plenty of experiences as a guy. I'm not sure what you mean by none. Since I live as a guy, then how could I not continually have experiences as one? That is how the world percieves me 100% on the time now, so that makes no sence to me.
Marco ;)
an interesting note, I was in some run down gas-station on my bike when I was about 18 or so... figured I'ed better go empty the bladder as I had a long ride ahead of me ...
there were 2 urnals and a stall with boots showing that it was in use... I was busy releaving myself in the one urnal when this other guy comes in and stands by the urnal and reaches into his pocket and pulls out a Pee funnel... gals can get them so they can stand and Pee like a guy... I noticed he was wrasseling his dwars to get the funnel positioned correctly when he said Viet nam, got it blown off by shrapnal I said Oooh man that sux , he said yah well it got me discharged ! I said COOL ! ... finished my business and left...
but you know, that could well have been a TS FTM and I never even thought about it untill now.... 30 years of being convinced i'ed say she passed with flying colors.... if indeed it was a FTM !.... which ofcorse matters not... but I thought it worth mentioning.
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...Your right Dennis... I'ed never reconise one if I saw one ! because it doesn't realy matter to me.... now if someone tries something strange in the bathroom their lible to get my foot in their mouth.... <GRIN>... I doubt i'ed be very forgiveing in that respect.
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Bob......
Bob....
Quote from: Bob on September 23, 2006, 01:13:32 AM
but you know, that could well have been a TS FTM and I never even thought about it untill now.... 30 years of being convinced i'ed say she passed with flying colors.... if indeed it was a FTM !.... which ofcorse matters not... but I thought it worth mentioning.
Bob....
Typo, right? You meant 'he' passed >:D
And yeah, we do grow adams apples on T. I have one now. My mother thought I had a goiter when it first started growing.
Dennis
Veronica,
not all Ftms have had "proper" female socialization,
some Ftms are all man though they have a "female sex organ".
hehehe YAH ! typo.... thats it ! ummm oops ! hehehehehe
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but thats the thing... male or female its... how you act that guy acted as if it was normal... so why shouldn't I .... heheheh
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that was the day My bike ate the drive chain at 65mph and locked up the rear wheel... as I brod slid the bike off the side of the road I was wondering what I was doing so far from home ! .... about 3 hrs later I finally got the chain back on and headded back home... never did make it to where I was going ! hehehehe I was later bragging to a guy on the CB radio that I didn't dump it when it happened and he said he did the same thing at 100mph and didn't dump it , lost the rim on his bike though as it chewed through the tire and rim before it came to a stop.... the tire swallowed a spoke from the wheel and caused a blow out, the tube came out and wraped arround the wheel and locked the rear tire up... I think he was lucky to survive it and I told him so, he said actually his flat tracking experience was the only thing that saved him as the bike was all over the road ! hehehehe
that triumph tridant of his realy moved ! and he used it too ! he said he was doing 130mph when something felt wrong and at 100 the rear wheel locked up.... after that he just flat tracked it to a stand still.... and had to walk 20 miles to a phone to call his dad.... as the rim was ground in-two ! they had a heck of a time loading that beast because his dad forgot the ramp ! hehehehehhehe
... ahhh those were the days... when a bucks worth of gas would fill your tank and you could go all over....now its $12.00 and you better have a fill up spot close by ! heheheheh
...but my bike is alot better now ! HA !
Bob.......
As a girl, other women expect conversation and answers.
Just some thoughts
Jessica
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ok my bad
me sowwy
you right
Wow Bob, sounds like you were pretty lucky to survive your chain incident too. Is that a loose chain that causes it? Now I'm gonna be even more paranoid about checking my chain regularly.
I had a flat rear tire once, which caused a complete lack of control, but I wasn't going that fast, so I was able to wrestle the bike over to the side before anything disastrous happened.
Dennis
Actually Dennis the chain and sprockets were badly worn out but Not having any money to replace them I didn't .... you can tell if the chain is worn very bad by holding it in its side .... lay the chain out stright and flop ot on the side so the rollers are vertical
and pick it up by the center.... if it droops very mich on the tips of the chain its wore out,....how much the droop is veries with the chain ...if it obviously is sloppy like a snake in all directions its time to replace it you can usually replace 2 or 3 chains to 1 set of sprockets.... but when replaceing sprocket alwayse replace the chain too.
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I have been out-of-touch in the motorcycle industory for years now stopped working on them in the late 1980's so the recomendations may well have changed, especially on the crotch rockets ! as they are a high preformance breed that ware parts fast.
My bike now is a Honda shadow vt1100c v twin and I love it before that was a vt700c shadow
which I am trying to sell now, to get rid of the thing... so this machine of mine now is the first bike i've ever owned over 1000cc and I enjoy it emencely every time I get on it ! <GRIN>
You ain't had fun till you had a flat tire on the front ! ...corse you don't wann'a have that kind of fun eather !
I've had 17 or more motorcycles in my life so far and loved every one of them
I put on 1000 miles a month on my bike for a few years while in highschool and just after
... the thing I fear most is hitting a deer or bear on a bike ...so far I have been very fortinate .<crosses his fingers> I went to the Kawasaki mechanics school in portland Or.
and for a while I had my own shop in Redding Cal. Motorcycles are my life or...were but i still love the silly things, their the best transportion known to man in my opinion! a might bit chilly in the snow though ! hehehehehehe
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back to the subject....
As diferent as the male and female rolls are in our socioty there is common ground to walk on in both.... getting off the main path so to speak may well point a finger at you, so sticking with the common conversations and responces would probly be the best bet!
... I have been "interigated" by GG's before and its amazeing the info that a person can get out of you if they want ! .... sense then i play stoopid and say duh geee I dunno !
and that usually cures the problem completely as they think I am too dumb to answer any questions at all ! HAHAHAHAHHAHA
.... you could dye your hair blond and use my method... it might work ! <GRIN> !
heheheheheh
Bob....
Mine's a Shadow Ace 750, totally customized to look like a 50's cruiser. I love it, but I think the next bike will be over 1000 cc's. I keep getting bigger every time I get a bike. Started on a 185, then a 300, then a 400, then a 450, then a 650, now a 750. All were Suzukis until this one, my first Honda.
Yeah, I was pretty grateful that my flat wasn't on the front tire. Crossing my fingers never to have that one happen. Closest call I've had was a huge pickup truck trying to change lanes into me at 130 km/h. Luckily the bike still had enough to twist the throttle and move ahead of him, but a faster response would've been a little less stressful.
Dennis
I'm going to start a thred in general , so I don't high jack this thred from Veronica ! heheheh
c ya there Dennis
Bob.....
I'm tiny.
And I really mean, tiny. I'm 5'4" weighing in at a little under 105lbs. I'm slender, and definitely a lot shorter than just about any other male in my age group. I relate to guys just fine -- After all, I'm "one of them." As for body gestures, the way I carry myself... The best way I can describe it is I move like a gay male, because that's what I am. Some of my gestures are arguably more 'refined' than a typical male, but I've been described by my mate as 'boyishly graceful.'
I concentrate on walking from the knees, not from the hips like a female. This allows for a looser, slightly more pronounced gait. The best way I can describe it is 'loosely drawn.' I'm like a cartoon character in some senses, long swishing movements.
I don't know. I'm just me.
Do you really think things are going to be that different for a MtF?
When you go to the Doctor and you're asked when your last cycle was?
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usually? by the time the doc asks ya to open and say ahhhhhhhh...he'll notice the hangie down thingie,...as will smith calls it......and know it is male.
bio females do not have one
Your missin the point Veronica !
its no diferent from the guys chit chat than the girls chit chat except the subject matter.... your worrying too much ! <grin>
for a FTM getting cought in a chat about their periods and all or giveing birth would be very flustrating as Milissa mentioned earlier on another thred, you don't want to lie to them but then not to lie would be giveing yourself away as a TS, which is almost alwayse best to keep hidden.... how you handle it is change the subject or out and out lie to them...or do nether and give yourself away.... so it is HARD...
... I think telling them you had a hystorectemy (sp) at an early age wouldn't be too far from the truth as the results are almost the same !
... but if you have Kids of your own and talk about them then that complicates the matter ! ...
I seriously don't think Not lieing in a siduation like this is so very important... after all its not important information ,,, just chit-chat to be polite in most cases...
I try to be truthfull at all times no matter what, even in the smallest detail... but to do that about your past if your a TS could do more harm than good.....
... in short it depends on the siduation !
wing it ! HAHAHAHHA!
Bob......
Posted on: September 24, 2006, 02:33:09 AM
Draeden...
being small Nesisates being cautious in a big world
I have met realy small guys before not dwarfs but just small people
and one little guy I knew was the scrappyest thing you ever met...
he'ed take on anyone just because they thought he was small....
thats how i met him... I made the remark Hay shorty is that place closed ? .... he walked over to me and said what did you call me ? i said Shorty , but i ment no offence by it ! he said Oh... well no their closed... I said oh rats... I gott'a find some spark plugs he said you might try grand auto ... I said Hay , I didn't mean to make you mad (in other words) did I ? he said Well Yah ! I hate being called short ! I won't put up with it , I said well I'm terrably sorry I had no idea.
we chatted for a bout 30 minutes because I didn't want him to feel ill of me as he seamed like a nice guy ! i mentioned motorcycles and all was forgiven and we started talking bikes and I barely got away after that ! HAHAHAHHA
over the years I ran into him many times and the last time was in the bike shop I said HAY YOU! ... he turned arround and I grabbed his hand and shook it .. and we had a good laugh ! he said he'ed been in many fights because of Small or short remarks ! I said Why ? people don't mean anything by it ? you know that , he said yah I'm beginning to get that idea ! I said I do that sort of thing all the time it means no harm he said yah I gott'a be more forgiveing I said don't we all ??? and on it went...
I have learned that size means nothing... but if your realy small and not strong too, then you need self defence classes ! to protect yourself ...
My 2 coppers !
Bob.......
I have some great chats with my girlfriends...
We talk about anything, agree nothing, find no solutions, re-enforce our experiences, empathise and enjoy the (many) conversations that go on.
If we want facts, identified solutions, no sympathy and a quick turn around... we ask one of my friends Husbands, who are more than willing to offer any solutions, without discussion.
Women bond through conversation, it re-enforces the link and importance of friendship and we can spend ages describing the colour and design of a dress or jewellery.... men can normally remember how much they paid for it and how long she took choosing it!
Man and women communicate very differently.... don't forget verbal communication is only about 40% of the total package, facial, hand, posture i.e non verbal , all say a lot about people.
Fluttering your eyelids, stroking your hair, pouting your lips, playing with ear rings normally gets a guys attention.....whereas it is normally when the guy gets his credit card out that a woman gets excited!!!
Learn to master the non-verbal side as well as the talking.
Becky
oh dear me...
I admit..of my own free will...I am not now nor have I ever been..a social butterfly. so my social skills are that of a barbarian...
but I suppose, it doesn't matter, in the end. I do not intend on attending any coffee circles, for gossip.
whenever-----I get to make the change,...and get to live full time female..I will more than likely live like I do now...pretty much hole'd up here in the house....'
and maybe, if I am ever forced to actually talk to other females..I guess I can merely use idle chat and avoid anything in depth.
yeah. I do get my OCD going and I do worry too much about details.
while you are looking at the painting..I am using a microscope on the signature.
moving right along here.....thank you everyone that has had patience with me.
and for those that have snubbed me......pfffffffffftttttttttt
Veronica,
1. You are telling me and others that we are not bio males, so please tell me exactly how bio male is defined! You are assuming that we all believe in biological determination, and let me say strait up, many of us see it for the flaws that it has. But go ahead and give it a good shot if you want, and I will respond in kind with evidence ( scientific evidence ) that will dismiss your claims.
2. I have two adams apples, one from T and one from puberty. So does this make me twice the man? lol
One is by the way not as dominant and noticeable.
3. I am 5'10 175 pds, 9.5 shoe, 34 waist, 30 inseam, etc. just the average build of a average guy. My hands are the same size as my brothers, actually exactly the same size, wierd huh?
4. Not only can I hang out at a gas station and talk with the guys, I can walk the streets of LA, Oakland, Memphis, Nashville, Atlanta, Chicago and DC, Baltimore, Phili, etc. and have. I have lived them, not always by choice. I have been places that most white guys don't have the balls to go, because I know how to get along with people from every back ground, ethnicity, race, socio eco class etc. It does not matter where you put me, I am just the same as any other guy that has a good head on his shoulders. What's dragging in my pants has nothing to do with how I am defined as a male. I am equal to you and any other guy in this crazy world. I am going to assume here that you cross dress, and I am also going to assume that you don't feel like that makes you less of a man? Or do you? I honestly would not think so.
So the way I see it is that you don't realize the true nature of what a F2M is? Let me spell it out okay...
MALE!
5. And no being a redkneck does not make them one up on peging guys. I live in redkneck country bro. I have attended college, lived in dorms, camp, hike, fish, drink, party, etc. mountain bike with my male friends, and no one not once has ever had a clue of my medical history in all these years no matter where I lived through out the US. And it is just that a medical history. I have had construction jobs, layed cables, insulation etc. under houses with other guys and never once, been asked if I am different.
I am not some girl that has a identity crisis, I am a man that was mis labeled by idiots that want to force things to be fixed into place that are just simply not ment to be fixed into a firm place for the comfort of the twisted world we live in.
The worst part of the whole situation for TS people that are not defined IS is that they are made to feel like they are suffering from a "condition" and in most cases the "condition" is a social condition not a mental illness, or identity crisis! When the world gets that strait, then a lot of progress will hav been made.
Hope you don't mind my laying on the line my thoughts to what you have said, but felt like saying what I had to say.
Peace,
Taylor
Posted on: September 26, 2006, 03:25:21 PM
Veronica,
Now let me see, I once had a ovarie, and I still have a testicle, and partial prostrate, and a dead uterus, umm a single adams apple, and lets see, what exactly does this tell you? I could have had the uterus removed, but I could not think of a good reason to let them tare through my stomach muscles to do so. What this should tell the average person with a lick of sense is that there is a reason that deterimination of a persons sex is not as simple as you would so narrowly like to assume it to be. And it is not me saying this, it is all of scientific research in modern times saying so, umm going back to the 1700's and current.
Iis there a particular reason that a tennis player without a penis but with male chromosomes can be denied their right ( raised female all her life) to participate in the womens US games?? Gee, could it be for the confusion on defining male and female?? Would ya think??
If we did things your way, define a penis please, because according to the medical standards, a penis must be past 2cm and clit is under 1.5 cm. Now wait...what happens if you are between 2cm and 1.5 like say 1.75cm?? Then what the heck do ya do? And what if a fully internal functioning female is born with a 2cm clit, should they really butcher her? And what if a boy is born with a penis that is 1.8 and what do they do with his organs and structure? And what about the boy that has the functioning testicles and his penis is 1.5, so they chop it off and casterate him, build a hole, because you know...they are going to make him a girl! Yea right!
So no, a doc cannot simply assume by the existence or lack thereof what someones sex is, Smith got it wrong, but then it was just a joke in a movie afterall.
Peace,
Taylor
Hummm....
Ok Taylor Good point...as usual !
I have alwayse thought the plumbing in the house defines the house !
I realise that is a "Ridiciously simple" outlook form a male prespective... but
a solid enough one to make certain asumptions, i.e. if you have the outie your a male , an innie your a female.... this is what the general public goes by as well
and also what most of the confusion of TS is in a nut shell.
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Ok if we understand that the Mind determands the sex... inspite of the body
then you can have a TS siduation... if it was the body that determends the sex then that wouldn't be possable except for people blessed with both kinds of plumbing and that is excedingly rare. there for the number of TS individials would be much much lower.
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Odd, but i have never looked at the Atoms apple when I look at females...
maybe because I have never seen a female with one ... i dunno, to be quite honnest I am looking at the brests ,waste and hips ...in that order.
and it tickels me to see some Ranch girl come into the resturant while we are having dinner that is chunky, big brested, almost no waste and larg hips and legs and arms that rivle my own....because I know that gal is twice as strong as I am
the round clinderical arms with only a small defination of a bicep are emencly strong... I know, I was raised with an older sister that looked just like that.
and I saw her one handily pick up a 200 pound guy and slam him against the lockers at school one time.... as his feet were dangleing the expression on his face was priceless..... he never pestered her again !.
Looks are decieveing...
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Bob....
Veronica,
1. You are telling me and others that we are not bio males, so please tell me exactly how bio male is defined!
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bio male is just that--dna says male.
and I ain't talking about those born in between..with both sexes.
normal birth is female or male.
Quote from: veronica06 on September 24, 2006, 12:35:59 AM
by the time the doc asks ya to open and say ahhhhhhhh...he'll notice the hangie down thingie,...as will smith calls it......and know it is male.
bio females do not have one
Are you talking about the uvula? What hangie down thingie are you talking about? If it is the Uvula, everybody has one unless they have some "condition" that creates a reason to not have it.
Bob,
In the book I go into some real detail of re mapping the TS and even the IS person. First off let me break this down if I can briefly in here .... we all know that we come from both Male and Female therefore we are ALL intersexed by our very nature. I don't care what two things you mix, when you mix the outcome is a bit of both. ( you of course already know this ) The degree of that can determine the set of variables one lives. A person that we call IS such as myself, is just a person with a set of variables that can be seen physically observed (internally or externally) Now our assumptions that we can observe all sex determining factors is a heck of an assumption. Science is not that advanced even still today.
It was just a few years ago that we realized that what has been considered the "Default switch" for determing what track a fetus takes for creating the gonads that under "average norms" determines what gential structure is formed is not a "default switch" after all. It in fact moves in both directions, it has been forever firmly believed that it only switched in one direction and that being "Female" was by default! Totally disproven in 1999.
I wish I could think of where I got this next bit of info, all I recall is that it was in a college course so my source would be impossible to find.... but lets look at DNA in a very interesting way.
If you think of how insanely HUGE the entire DNA combinational chains etc. are, then when I tell you that the diference between the DNA of a bananna and a human is 1% of total DNA!!! Now look at the extreme difference between a human and a bannana and by doing so think of how vasly large the whole DNA spec is! So it is my stand that it is much better to realize that we have not even come close to understanding how sex identity is formulated.
So I do not reduce being TS to a brain that says one thing and a body that says another. And I do not see it as a condition of illness for a good many of TS people, notice I did not say all. Mental illness can do some things that can have affects etc.
I am a firm believer that as people come to accept their own differences they are more capable of accepting others. Until we realize that we are ALL linked to many mysteries of natural creation, then we must continue to trudge through. Further research absolutely needs to be done.
Well anyway just thought I would share this with ya!
Peace,
Taylor
Posted on: September 27, 2006, 10:48:59 AM
Veronica,
You are just too comical! If only life was as simple as you would like to reduce it, well I guess if it were you would not be in here, would you???
Peace
Taylor
Veronica,
You are just too comical! If only life was as simple as you would like to reduce it, well I guess if it were you would not be in here, would you???
Peace
Taylor
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what in holy hell are you talking about?
I..KEEP my life simple.
I stay home and mind my own business.............
Veronica,
Taylor is refering to not only medical issues, but basic transgendered ones as well. He is quite the authority on these issues. He has recently had a book pulished called :All Points in Between" it is about birth sex and gender. I happen to have a copy of it, and even I am learning more with every turn of a page. I think you should see about getting a copy for yourself.
Marco
Veronica,
Taylor is refering to not only medical issues, but basic transgendered ones as well. He is quite the authority on these issues. He has recently had a book pulished called :All Points in Between" it is about birth sex and gender. I happen to have a copy of it, and even I am learning more with every turn of a page. I think you should see about getting a copy for yourself.
Marco
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got news for ya........I am not in anyone's fancy smancy text book..and I resent anyone trying to shove things down my throat.
no one...is an authority about MY life..k?
and where I see it..books are only written for 2 reasons...
1 ==for someone to feel superior over others and rub it in their face
2==to act like they know it all...and dont have all the answers to the world.
I don't buy books of non fiction
if I read..I read to be entertained...not be ticked off by some snob that feels they know everything.
I only pick up scifi fantasy non fiction.
it's MY life....I make the rules.......no one knows about what I feel or why..and when I explain it --I am told I am wrong and dont know what I am talking about...
now whatever it is supposed to be in this here book...may be fine for y'all........
where I see it...the book of life has all pages of mirrors.
all the answers of life are in yourself.
so "I" spend time when I shave my beard...seeing if I like what I see or if I can live with it for now.
I try to deal with it.
I just dont like where I've been and I dont like people acting like I am trash because of it.
Quote from: veronica06 on September 27, 2006, 01:11:04 PM
all the answers of life are in yourself.
Very, very true...
But oftentimes the compassion and insights of others can help reveal those answers... if we're brave enough to let them.
Veronica,
There is actually four other reasons that people write books.
# 3 Educate
# 4 Inform
# 5 Challenge and/or correct others historical work for the sake of advancement
# 6 Allow others information so that they can think independantly
And yes all your answers are inside, getting to them,, well that is another issue.
Peace,
Taylor
Taylor, where do I find this book? I'd like to read it--books about the transsexual experience written by FTMs are hard to come by. (I know of only two so far: "Just Add Hormones" by Matt Kailey and one that my former therapist is writing--I'm in it!) Can I get your book on Amazon?
I see your website Taylor, but there is no link for purchasing the book as far as I can tell.
Melissa
That link is gone. You can order it through Barnes & Noble. All I know is I got Taylor's last copy he had. Excellent. ;)
Marco
Hi all,
Ordering on website through Banner:
There should be a link on the webpage for ordering directly through Barnes and Nobles. This link is a small Barnes and Nobles banner. You can find the home page by going to www.all-pointz.com and there is a barnes and nobles banner, click there and it will take you where you need to go with them to order. If you purchase through the website banner, there is a percentage of the sale paid to the Non Profit Org (not me personally I get paid through my publisher) money goes to support TS/IS research,, education and support provided by our non profit org. So at no additional cost, you have donated to the organization and it is appreciated!
Ordering through Major Book Chains: You can also order the book through other large book stores, such as Amazon, Books a Million and others, just search under Author Name Taylor Holder or Book Title "All Points Inbetween: Shifting on the scale of sex and gender" ( I believe you can just put in "All Points Inbetween") and it will come up for you. The average delivery for many of the stores is 2-3 days from what I am told.
Thank you all for your interest! Let me know if you order the book, and when you read it I would love to hear from you.
Peace,
Taylor
Posted on: September 29, 2006, 07:37:14 AM
PS, sorry forgot to say, if you do a title search for "All Points Inbetween" I believe the book comes up about 4 or so books down for most book company sites. So you may need to scroll down a little to find it. Author search will take you strait to the book.
Peace,
Taylor
Thanks, I'll check it out.